[SS 6.4] Clash of Gods! OOC - winners Silver Shield, LooseCannon1 and Mithridate

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Originally Posted by Myth

Eh, you should have waited on that. I know Visorslash's PW as well, I just wanted to resest the PW so CROPrasec could input his own. Also, sharing other people's PWs is generally not good practice, as the majority use the same one for multiple games.

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Yes, I didn't know YOU had one of our team member's password.:hide: Next turn please clear it and resend it then.:laugh4:

Of course I do, I'm the bloody admin for this game :D Seeing as how Monkey insisted I run it.

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Originally Posted by Myth

Of course I do, I'm the bloody admin for this game :D Seeing as how Monkey insisted I run it.

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Actually you don't need any of the pws if you're the admin...that is unless you forgot to enable the console like I did in FN :embarassed:

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Originally Posted by phonicsmonkey

Actually you don't need any of the pws if you're the admin...that is unless you forgot to enable the console like I did in FN :embarassed:

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Plus, I don't remember giving you, Myth, my password.

He knows it from FN. I can't be bothered to change it. :P

Aye. When simple subbing was necessary I just sent it over to the guy subbing. Changing it also somewhat of a hassle if you know the player is coming back. But I suppose it's good practice to do so regardless.

Myth, England's up :)

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Moors.

this whole crusade/ jihad thing is turning nasty for sure but whatever

Leon up

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Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war, the Moorish Caliph has fallen!

kwarz
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so the moors are doomed already. great

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Originally Posted by SilverShield

so the moors are doomed already. great

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I wouldn't say that, but if you want to believe it, that's cool :p

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Originally Posted by Thanatos Eclipse

Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war, the Moorish Caliph has fallen!

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The last guy playing Leon also claimed that he killed my Caliph. He was proven wrong. At the end of my last turn, my original starting Caliph was so far away from your armies you could have only reached him with Crusade movement points. And since he was nowhere near the Crusade target if you attacked him with a Crusade army you broke a rule. Post some screenshots of the battle.

Now back to the original Crusade/jihad question. Most of the jihad callable cities are Crusader State controlled. In fact only Toledo is on the list of cities that is controlled by the Catholic players. When Egypt is eliminated most of the cities that can be crusaded will be under Muslim control. This gives a tremendous advantage to the Catholic side. The banning of Crusades/Jihads should be implemented and the already called Crusade abandoned.

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Originally Posted by LooseCannon1

The last guy playing Leon also claimed that he killed my Caliph. He was proven wrong. At the end of my last turn, my original starting Caliph was so far away from your armies you could have only reached him with Crusade movement points. And since he was nowhere near the Crusade target if you attacked him with a Crusade army you broke a rule. Post some screenshots of the battle.

Now back to the original Crusade/jihad question. Most of the jihad callable cities are Crusader State controlled. In fact only Toledo is on the list of cities that is controlled by the Catholic players. When Egypt is eliminated most of the cities that can be crusaded will be under Muslim control. This gives a tremendous advantage to the Catholic side. The banning of Crusades/Jihads should be implemented and the already called Crusade abandoned.

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I support this :)


EDIT: Silvershield you entered Moors instead of Kwarz in the .rar file name :P

Btw, should I wait for thanatos eclipse's SS or play my turn?

I did use a crusading army, but I didn't see anything in the rules that limited what you could attack, only where you could call it (which has been changed)

personnally I don't care one way or the other, I'm just kind of annoyed right now at how slow the recruitment is in this version of ss :(

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Crusades and Jihads can be joined and called but only at the respective religion's target cities!

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This rule is ambiguous at best. But I read it as meaning you can't attack any cities or armies other than the target unless they are in the way. You would have had to go out of your way to attack that army. As it was S/SE of Valencia how was it on the route from Leon territory to Silves?

There's the trouble, I don't see that at all. All I get for that rule is that it pertains to what settlements crusade/jihads can be called on. Seems like these crusade rules really need to be ironed out before we get any further into this game, or just completely cut.

I think at this point it might be good to just cut them. They were a good idea but has frankly just caused so much trouble already that it doesn't seem worth it. It just is not a balanced mechanic, nor is it meant to be I suspect. (not that Myth meant it to be unbalanced, that CA meant for it to be unbalanced.)

so wat do we do now? a replay of turns from Thanatos? I wonder where Myth is, I have sent a pm to look into this thread, still no answer

He is away for a bit still I think.

He should be back any time now, best to wait for him for a ruling.

Jihads can be used when the city is above a certain level of % conversion towards Islam. Jihads were also meant to be a defensive mechanic more or less. This will prove very valuable for the Muslim team once the Catholics try to get Jerusalem.

For the Crusades, the idea is to call them at the nearest city allowed but still use it to capture the target city and kill off any armies that might prevent that. I don't want to lose players to frustration so restarting is out. Also Thanatos was kind enough to pick off where Ash left us, but I suspect he would not have picked Leon-Castille in SS 6.4 I suggest we keep Crusades and Jihads and use them accordingly (BTW if a Crusade stack goes to attack something that makes it end it's turn furhter away from the Crusade target we suffer desertion) as mentioned. Also allow Jihads to be called on either kind of target city or close by, to facilitate their defencive nature.

If we completely ban them I fear that Leon will be simply too poor a choice in this mod to match the Moors unless we 3v1 or 4v1 the Moorish player.

I'm happy with Myth's judgement :)

so shall I go ahead with my turn now?

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Originally Posted by Myth

Jihads can be used when the city is above a certain level of % conversion towards Islam. Jihads were also meant to be a defensive mechanic more or less. This will prove very valuable for the Muslim team once the Catholics try to get Jerusalem.

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So crusade/jihad armies can attack anything? Good to know that NOW. Since the Crusader States will always hold Jerusalem how will you ever attack it?

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If we completely ban them I fear that Leon will be simply too poor a choice in this mod to match the Moors unless we 3v1 or 4v1 the Moorish player.

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You haven't decided to do that already? :laugh4:

someone tell me what I am supposed to do pls :/

We can attack Jerusalem the good Ol' fashioned way - with regular armies. Same for the other side.

Crusade/Jihad armies can attack anything so long as it's within the immediate vicinity of the objective or is working towards it. No point in taking Rome if you see a full stack of Venetians right next to it right? Kill the immediate armies and take and hold your objective (emphasis on the latter).

Let's all try to have fun and I'll try to make this fair for both teams. When the game ends we will have enough info for a second installment that will be more balanced (I'm thinking, KGCM w/hotseat patch and autoresolve)

Ring ring.

I was waiting, because no one said me wat to do :/

EDIT: Venice up!

Paging Dr. Nightbringer

sorry, I somehow missed the pm completely.
will have it up in a few minutes.

seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9510

France up :2thumbsup:

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EDIT: Myth, England is up :)

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Moors.

Three crusade armies from Leon/Castille:dizzy2:!! :jawdrop:Don't you think that's a bit of overkill, Thantatos?:hide: OMG All those mighty generals- King Alfanso, Gongalo Quijada, Sancho de Cortegaca, and "Prince" Sancho on the march:creep: Please I beg you send your diplomat to me and we can end this war:oops::stupid: And of course no other Catholic human faction can join the crusade. Just be willing to make peace

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and give me Toledo. Do that and I'll let King Sancho:sharky: live.

All the Catholic human factions must agree :gathering: to not join the Crusade.

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Because without another family member Leon/Castile ends up in the dustbin of history:yes:

oooooooooooooh, pretty pictures

So have the Moors actually some leverage over Leon-Castille in order to ask for peace and other such things?

So you are saying I am not allowed to join the crusade come my next turn? o_0..

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Originally Posted by slysnake

So you are saying I am not allowed to join the crusade come my next turn? o_0..

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If Leon wants peace, that's a condition.

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Originally Posted by Myth

So have the Moors actually some leverage over Leon-Castille in order to ask for peace and other such things?

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You did read the spoilers, right?

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Originally Posted by Thanatos Eclipse

oooooooooooooh, pretty pictures

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You didn't show me yours so I can't show you mine. Well, ok, I'll show the only one I took.https://img231.imageshack.us/img231/...nsothedead.jpg This one is titled "Alfonso the DEAD"

ouch, looks like spains not going to be able to hold the Moorish tide back much longer

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Originally Posted by Thanatos Eclipse

ouch, looks like spains not going to be able to hold the Moorish tide back much longer

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The terms for peace are simple. I'm willing to throw in trade rights and a 20 turn NAP. If you don't have a diplomat to send to me just agree to it here and I won't attack you anywhere next turn. No human Crusade armies, Toledo, trade rights, and peace-what more could you ask for? And giving me Toledo will cancel the Jihad already in progress. Oh, did i forget to mention THAT?:laugh4:

Thanks to Myth's ruling my allies:applause: are coming in force with the intention of burning:flame: everything in their way.:dizzy2: HAVE A NICE DAY:2thumbsup:

On behalf of Spain and the Catholic Kingdoms I humbly accept your terms :bow:

However my only diplomat is quite far away and I have no means to make another, so you will have to send your own.

Crusaders up
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On behalf of Spain and the Catholic Kingdoms I humbly accept your terms :bow:

However my only diplomat is quite far away and I have no means to make another, so you will have to send your own.

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Mine is in southern France he should be back to you next turn.

My ruling was aimed to be a fair one for both sides :)

forgot about that one almost

kwarz
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Sry for the delay. I am very busy with college, unit test in two days. Will try to do my turn later today

Take your time. If you need a sub can you appoint a preferred player?

Well since the test ends in a week, I think I will just need an extension of a day for my turn. By the time I get my next turn, the tests would probably be over.

EDIT: Venice up!

Seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9550

I'll play my turn in couple of hours ;)

France up :2thumbsup:

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The mighty warlords of the Moors are up.

Leon up. And Iberia is at peace. Well, except for the HUN-garians :creep: who have decided to Crusade.:welcome:
Looks like we'll have to keep our economy on a war setting. :smg:

Your terms are acceptable

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kwarz up
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having some problem with my pc, :wall: :wall: :wall: looks like my psu is dying. I may need a day's extension.

EDIT: fixed everything, Venice up!

Seljuks up!
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Just a question about that "unlimited men on battlefield". What is that and how to do that?! (i didnt noticed it before)

France up :2thumbsup:
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Just a question about that "unlimited men on battlefield". What is that and how to do that?! (i didnt noticed it before)

France up :2thumbsup:
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It requires changing a line in the cfg file. But SS6.4 does that automatically.

I just noticed that SS6.4 's cfg does not have spaces before & after the = sign. My kingdoms and KGCM files have the spaces. Do the spaces matter? Or is that a typo in SS6.4?

Don't worry it's on by default in SS. I just wanted to popularize this rule in the Throne Room since I first signaled Monkey that without enabling this one gets essentially a free Night Fighter ability when leading battles (somehow M2TW never seems to think your PC is good enough)

Anyway, Moors up! I see that Jihading army is about to take the target. This means that first blood (in terms of points) will go to the Muslim side. Please let me know each time a target city falls so I can keep track of the score. Also let me know when you pass the religion conversion thresholds.

Leon up And now I've got three copies to delete from the folder.:laugh4: Everytime I tried to copy the link the uploader downloaded the file back to me.:dizzy2:

Did you take your target city? I'd rather the team give me info on this so I can keep track of the points for each side in the first topic. Otherwise I'll have to give the admin PW to Monkey or Zim so they can check for me (and they're too busy as it is)

Yes per our peace treaty it was given to me. Diplomats have to finalize it next turn as our dips were too far away but a NAP is now in effect (has been since last turn) between the Moors and Leon-Castile.

Also, forgot to mention, I'll be subbing CROPrasec here until he can finish moving and get back in the game.

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give me a slight extension here. im low on time today im having this up tomorrow

Sure

alright egypt is down. probably some more rounds and the very east and the west are clashing. its heating up


kwarz up
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Cudos for beating Egypt without using a Crusade!

Venice

seljuks up!
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I'm subbing CROPrasec. I've got the save should have next one up within 24 hrs.

France up

England :)

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Moors up!

Seriously, I have max papal standing and the blessed Pope still won't un-excommunicate me! I have half a mind to take Rome for myself...

As your admin for this game and the creator of the rulse I have to remind you guys to always make sure what your target cities are. LooseCanon - Leon is what will give your side points. Just an FYI.