What relevance does the linked thread have? Just an example of you getting mislynched?
10-02-2016, 21:48
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
It's numerically very difficult to lynch a scum this round, if only because of the number of townies with opinions that don't overlap.
I basically need the support of some of my own suspects just to get anything done.
And when I offer to follow you you tell me no you're scum and unvote the chap you were voting.
If you're so convinced about Monty, that shouldn't stop you from lynching him.
I want you to be town, and if Monty were scum and you were town that would be great.
Today my vote is at your disposal, as long as you don't tell me to vote myself and let me self-pres if needed.
10-02-2016, 21:51
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
What relevance does the linked thread have? Just an example of you getting mislynched?
Look at the players not voting. Look how it's 3 suspects with more than one vote.
At the time, I had named something like 4 people scum and 3 of them were, and I called their factions correctly. I got one wrong.
The one I got wrong, also got votes.
The townies that people agree to lynch will always get votes.
Townies aren't guaranteed to show up. And they aren't guaranteed to mind the tally and vote together when necessary.
10-02-2016, 21:52
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Today my vote is at your disposal
I reckon pizza could have talked forever and not convinced me to follow him here, and yet with one short phrase you've done the job for him.
vote: Cuthillius
10-02-2016, 21:53
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
DP, I need your vote on this one.
10-02-2016, 21:53
El Barto
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelican
I don't know what I'd get from a Monty flip, necessarily, and I don't really think he's a wolf at this point. But if Pizza flips town, I'll have to reevaluate.
At this point there's no way in which Pizzaguy and Monty are on the same team. If either flips town, are you willing vote the other's matte organic ass into oblivion, no matter what?
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
For the record, I hate both of these lynch choices. I know, lolmafia maneuvering for brownie points afterward, but Pizza and Monty are pretty much my two biggest townreads at this point for a couple of reasons and it's my belief that the mafia are just laughing their butts off right now and have been for the entire dayphase.
I really, really want there to be a third option.
No lynch is always allowed.
10-02-2016, 21:56
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
I mean, seriously, Cuth....
If you're town, what the hell are you doing offering to sheep someone you were calling scum earlier in the day just so long as they don't lynch you?
10-02-2016, 21:56
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Cuth is my number 2, I need GH's vote to get Monty down.
I need DP's vote to get Cuth down.
I'll do either one, but I have to have the support of the other person in both circumstances.
10-02-2016, 22:00
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
The only thing townie about Cuth's offer is how incredibly ill-advised it is as either alignment.
But while I can just about imagine a scumbag going there in desperation, the idea of a townie doing so is mindblowing to me.
10-02-2016, 22:01
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
I mean, seriously, Cuth....
If you're town, what the hell are you doing offering to sheep someone you were calling scum earlier in the day just so long as they don't lynch you?
it's not a measure to keep him from lynching me
i could keep that from happening otherwise by actually making cases on other targets or something
i don't want to screw up and mislynch pizza again
i've done it many times
10-02-2016, 22:01
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Can anyone step up and tell me that Cuth could actually do this as town?
10-02-2016, 22:02
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
The only thing townie about Cuth's offer is how incredibly ill-advised it is as either alignment.
But while I can just about imagine a scumbag going there in desperation, the idea of a townie doing so is mindblowing to me.
my situation could be hardly called desperate, even if i was scum and nobody was bussing me
10-02-2016, 22:03
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
So why on earth would you offer to let him tell you where to vote?
10-02-2016, 22:03
El Barto
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Can anyone step up and tell me that Cuth could actually do this as town?
I wouldn't bet my shiny metal ass on that, meatbag.
10-02-2016, 22:03
Murska
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
The people voting for the Monty wagon are horribly scummy too.
10-02-2016, 22:03
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Fine, fine. Vote: Cuthillius so I get to go down as the worst town in history rather than the second worst.
10-02-2016, 22:05
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murska
The people voting for the Monty wagon are horribly scummy too.
This is the second time you have called that wagon scummy, care to explain why? Feels like mafia trying to either stop a mafia from being lynched or lay the groundwork for lynching everyone who participated in a mislynch.
10-02-2016, 22:06
Murska
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
(Dp101, Al Sipsclar, Cuthillius)
All of these people are terrible.
Vote: Cuthillius
10-02-2016, 22:06
El Barto
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
I could totally see Montmorency-Cuthillius-Murska as mafia.
Or at least two of thema nd the other simply blundering along -can we countenance a four-member mafia team in only twenty players?
i think this chart accurately sums up my feelings right now
the only ones i can draw a good connection between are purple and even then those hinge on pizza
if pizza green gh still could be red but if pizza red gh almost certainly also
greys are neutral, ath is slightly lighter because i thought he's had a few towny posts
DP is lock town in my books
Pelican had good early posts, less so since d3 or so
10-02-2016, 22:08
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murska
(Dp101, Al Sipsclar, Cuthillius)
All of these people are terrible.
Vote: Cuthillius
You think very highly of DP.
10-02-2016, 22:10
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I could totally see Montmorency-Cuthillius-Murska as mafia.
Or at least two of thema nd the other simply blundering along -can we countenance a four-member mafia team in only twenty players?
Vig is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body minimum.
Jailkeeper is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body.
Tracker, worth 1 scum.
Plus one scum over standard, plus scum powers. 3 all with powers, or 4 with a goon. Maybe even 4 with powers, but the existence of 3p and a neutral doesn't make it seem likely that scum would be that powerful even with the town powers in play.
10-02-2016, 22:10
El Barto
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
You think very highly of DP.
No, you think very highly of Dp101.
10-02-2016, 22:10
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
So why on earth would you offer to let him tell you where to vote?
because he's an amazing player sometimes
and we disagree right now
and i don't know what direction to go in exactly and i'm starting to doubt all the reads i had at the beginning of the game
thus the sheep
10-02-2016, 22:10
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
No, you think very highly of Dp101.
not highly enough to think that he could play like this as scum in his second game
10-02-2016, 22:11
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I could totally see Montmorency-Cuthillius-Murska as mafia.
Or at least two of thema nd the other simply blundering along -can we countenance a four-member mafia team in only twenty players?
all three?
10-02-2016, 22:12
El Barto
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vig is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body minimum.
Jailkeeper is worth 1 scum power role, or one extra body.
Tracker, worth 1 scum.
Plus one scum over standard, plus scum powers. 3 all with powers, or 4 with a goon. Maybe even 4 with powers, but the existence of 3p and a neutral doesn't make it seem likely that scum would be that powerful even with the town powers in play.
Nah, with powers, with at least two neutrals with powers who can be suntly coerced onto your side?
But town with powers there's quite a few.
Monty-Cuth-Murska? Tunnel-Monty? Sure.
10-02-2016, 22:17
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
because he's an amazing player sometimes
and we disagree right now
and i don't know what direction to go in exactly and i'm starting to doubt all the reads i had at the beginning of the game
thus the sheep
But he's voting for you.
It doesn't matter how amazing he might be sometimes, because right now he's got you square in the scumzone, and if you're town then you know he's wrong about that.
And knowing that, how do you ever manage to go from voting him earlier in the day to offering to sheep him wherever he goes now?
10-02-2016, 22:21
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
@ Winston
I don't know why town has what is basically a copy of Reidquat's role, or what value it has to us.
You've played an amazing game thus far, and I want to lynch a scum with you today, but it's entirely possible that this is the last round I can talk so I have to say this.
I need your vote and I really hope I'm wrong about your role, and that you are that extra body we need. I'm comfortable leaving you alive for 2 more rounds, but if you're at final anything, you have to be lynched for possibly being the scum role cop.
You played an amazingly townie game. If you're scum here, I don't care that I didn't push it. And if you're town or neutral, I'm really glad I did not.
I don't know why town has what is basically a copy of Reidquat's role, or what value it has to us.
You've played an amazing game thus far, and I want to lynch a scum with you today, but it's entirely possible that this is the last round I can talk so I have to say this.
I need your vote and I really hope I'm wrong about your role, and that you are that extra body we need. I'm comfortable leaving you alive for 2 more rounds, but if you're at final anything, you have to be lynched for possibly being the scum role cop.
You played an amazingly townie game. If you're scum here, I don't care that I didn't push it. And if you're town or neutral, I'm really glad I did not.
Some thoughts:
1) Stop trying to keep me alive. It's unnatural for me to live this long already.
2) Stop telling me you need me and stop saying nice things about my play - it only makes me suspect you more.
3) If I was scum and had this role, I would have done everything possible to avoid revealing it, including most probably coming up with something less obviously incriminating.
10-02-2016, 22:31
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Some thoughts:
1) Stop trying to keep me alive. It's unnatural for me to live this long already.
2) Stop telling me you need me and stop saying nice things about my play - it only makes me suspect you more.
3) If I was scum and had this role, I would have done everything possible to avoid revealing it, including most probably coming up with something less obviously incriminating.
It is a shit role to claim. It's not something that deflects a lynch, realistically. The issue is, it's also not a huge target to be murdered unless there's something about the mafia team that is particularly robot-centric, and a claimed neutral already has that power.
I don't get its inclusion from a design standpoint. It doesn't really interact with the hostile third party Farnsworth, who is human. If the neutrals are plain neutral, not hostile, why do we need to scan for them?
10-02-2016, 22:34
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Cover role human, real role robot. That's what I can think of.
10-02-2016, 22:34
novice
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Maybe the scum are human with robot cover identities.
10-02-2016, 22:36
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Maybe the scum are human with robot cover identities.
"Even an idiot like me knows he'll be ruined." - real khaan
-------
It is now Day Three.
Voting ends in:
Actually Khaan's cover was Elzar.
10-02-2016, 22:38
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Nixon, for example, could be human or robot.
He's a human richard nixon's head in a jar, sometimes the jar is attached to a robot.
I don't remember all the character claims that weren't full claims.
10-02-2016, 22:39
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Yeah, and we also need the robo-scanners to scan anyone who claims human.
10-02-2016, 22:40
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Nixon, for example, could be human or robot.
He's a human richard nixon's head in a jar, sometimes the jar is attached to a robot.
I don't remember all the character claims that weren't full claims.
Would you like me to post my role PM?
10-02-2016, 22:41
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Actually Khaan's cover was Elzar.
I wouldn't anticipate a full scum team would follow the pattern, it makes the role too valuable to town with no potential downsides.
At most, 1 or 2, to make the role have a potential use for town, but cannot catch every scum.
I forget who the scan targets were. John and GH and some others.
10-02-2016, 22:41
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Would you like me to post my role PM?
Please, by all means.
10-02-2016, 22:43
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Just so I don't mess up the tally program:
Unvote: Cuthilius
Vote: Cuthillius
10-02-2016, 22:43
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
If WH and Reidquat agree to pick different live unscanned targets tonight, and people have already been locked in to a mass claim, there's a possibility we have viable information tomorrow.
What were all the scans?
10-02-2016, 22:45
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Our planet has been through a lot this year, but we have not forgotten what is truly important... the great taste of Charleston Chew!
The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.
- The Mafia are eliminated.
- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.
- At least one member of the Town survives the game.
Abilities:
Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.
Here
10-02-2016, 22:46
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
It is a shit role to claim. It's not something that deflects a lynch, realistically. The issue is, it's also not a huge target to be murdered unless there's something about the mafia team that is particularly robot-centric, and a claimed neutral already has that power.
I don't get its inclusion from a design standpoint. It doesn't really interact with the hostile third party Farnsworth, who is human. If the neutrals are plain neutral, not hostile, why do we need to scan for them?
The way I saw it was half-bulletproof, half-lynchbait. No idea what good the robot scan is supposed to be for us.
It's actually very similar to a role I had in a NotW a while back, for which I was indeed mislynched on the last day (despite putting in the greatest day's work in NotW history). Thankfully, it turned out we couldn't actually lose by that point, so the mislynch cost me nothing more than my personal goal.
10-02-2016, 22:48
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Cover role human, real role robot. That's what I can think of.
That did occur to me, which is why I checked Al N1 (he implied he was that actor robot iirc).
But I tend to think that it be pretty harsh on the scum if they could be caught that way.
10-02-2016, 22:51
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
in 2135 Riedquat mentions his targets. So his live targets are john and WH, both are robots.
10-02-2016, 22:51
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
My results again:
Al Sips - robot
Murska - not robot
GH - robot
john - robot
10-02-2016, 22:51
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
From the Nixon role PM:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.
This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?
10-02-2016, 22:51
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
But he's voting for you.
It doesn't matter how amazing he might be sometimes, because right now he's got you square in the scumzone, and if you're town then you know he's wrong about that.
And knowing that, how do you ever manage to go from voting him earlier in the day to offering to sheep him wherever he goes now?
how indeed
i can sit here all day and tell you i'm town and i did what i did despite that
10-02-2016, 22:51
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
That did occur to me, which is why I checked Al N1 (he implied he was that actor robot iirc).
But I tend to think that it be pretty harsh on the scum if they could be caught that way.
It wouldn't be all of them, as Khaan's flip indicates. If it was just one, then the role wouldn't be without reason.
It's Zack so it can even be a red herring, but it's silly not to use the time and check.
10-02-2016, 22:53
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Murska, John, and Al should post their role PMs the next time they check into the thread, if they're so inclined.
10-02-2016, 22:56
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quiet! It's 4:00 AM and I just fell asleep for the first time in thrity years!
The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.
- The Mafia are eliminated.
- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.
- At least one member of the Town survives the game.
Abilities:
Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.
10-02-2016, 23:00
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
how indeed
i can sit here all day and tell you i'm town and i did what i did despite that
Not much point in that. Better you spend your efforts clarifying who you think is scum.
I don't follow that list you made in 2500. It seems like you're saying Monty is low on the suspect list (even though you're still voting for him), and that your only real suspects are Murska and me.
10-02-2016, 23:05
Winston Hughes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Got to hit the sack now, and other than a very brief stop-in before work tomorrow morning, I then won't be online at all until Tuesday.
10-02-2016, 23:06
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Just so I don't mess up the tally program:
Unvote: Cuthilius
Vote: Cuthillius
I think unvotes may mess with it more than a typo. The vote may not count at all.
On the safer side, could you post Vote: Cuthillius in bold without an unvote? It's not needed for the vote to be valid anyway.
I don't know how to call up the vote count with the new program so I can't check if this is even a waste of time.
10-02-2016, 23:08
Cuthillius
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Not much point in that. Better you spend your efforts clarifying who you think is scum.
I don't follow that list you made in 2500. It seems like you're saying Monty is low on the suspect list (even though you're still voting for him), and that your only real suspects are Murska and me.
wat
ignore the colors
i explained the list
it was in no order and the colors apart from grey and green didn't mean anything
thought that was clear
10-02-2016, 23:08
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
It works, I just previewed a votecount.
10-02-2016, 23:17
Zack
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
The hardest argument is the one where I try to tell a skeptical audience that not only do I need them, but they actually need me.
In politics, it's hard to get a coalition of people with non-conflicting interests to even give a shit about one another's interests for long enough to get anything done, because the "no" faction has a simpler message. It's simpler, and it's always united, because saying no to the idea that we need one another can apply to pretty much any situation. And since the ideology is that simple, it's easy to keep like-minded people as friends.
Complicated ideas, contradictions, exceptions, that's harder. Townie work is harder and people get hurt along the way.
I'm trying to make that argument to a skeptical audience right now.
Monty's argument is pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.
Cuth's argument, until a few moments ago, was pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.
They have an easy argument and they don't even need to convince you. I can't prove they are scum, I can only ask you to look at their behavior. Post count high, actual involvement tapering off, actual footprint of suspects low.
They are giving you fewer agenda items to disagree with them on. It works, it's just crowd control. It's always crowd control, that's why I make the footprint argument.
People are intelligent on their own but as a group, it's so much easier to manipulate them, and all you need to do is be less disagreeable.
Come on, guys. This is the purest beating heart of me. This is the way I play town.
If you mislynch me today, as I know I said before, it's not over. But it's still two voices gone. And we're having trouble agreeing as it stands.
One of us can't help you tomorrow, maybe two. We have to get it together here.
If you have to lynch me first, then please, look at the size of the accusation footprint of those who remain. Not from here onward, in the past. Before this round and including this one.
And you will have to vote together, you can't just skip off on a suspect that you can quickly check the math and go, that's only ever going to get a minority of the votes, and won't beat the suspect that everyone agrees on.
I don't know what else to say. I'm trying to be relatable and explain the gravity of the situation, but I've got all the charisma of Hillary Clinton this game and I've called half of you deplorable. I get it.
I'm still the best you've got on the chopping block. Get someone scummier in it.
WARNING - do not edit posts.
10-02-2016, 23:30
novice
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
From the Nixon role PM:
This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?
Yes.
10-02-2016, 23:33
Montmorency
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Just as with any good politician, Pizza unifies everyone with an inevitable feeling of disappointment.
One of the biggest things you guys should pick up is how Pizza argues he can't be scum because he would need too many less-active supporters and he's alienated everyone else. More so than myself, he claims.
And yet he also stresses how divided the town are, which makes one of many of his offered lynches on an even keel with town lynching Pizza.
It's great how he plants the nullification of his own thesis into the rhetoric.
Never let Pizza talk about how everything is about him. It's an eminence front, and it means he needs to be lynched.
10-02-2016, 23:38
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
I'm not trying to make the game all about me, but I can only speak from my own perspective, from my own experience, and discuss the ideas that I've learned about mafia under those constraints. I'm only using myself as an example because the specific point I was trying to make was directly analogous to an identical situation in a recent game on this forum.
10-02-2016, 23:41
Murska
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Now there's a surprising amount of people on the Cuth wagon.
