Tarot Mafia

villagers are
dya
insom
grr
dolby
maple

maple's there bc im willing to hold the read for jan

dolby voters should have more to say imo to justify a wagon on the slot

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Originally Posted by dyachei

V
grr
ender
gemma

v lean
sunbae
mont
insom
vanta

POE
Dolby
knights
wisdom

If i'm wrong it's in my v leans and probably insom having a good game or mont

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I might be in a soft difference check with mont cuz of d1 wagons (otherwise Rask wagon pure or something). I just kind of liked his posts vibe wise. Dolby I personally agree with. knights i dont see, but maybe its just cuz his posts are making me laugh, i didnt give it much consideration. top tier i am fine with.

umm, maybe I will have more interesting thoughts later in the day it's just my GTH vibes (would but gemma over ender now cause ladd seemed to feel pretty strong about it but that's about it).

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i think ben pushed ender a lot if they're partners. so i tend to think unaligned

i need a live player list

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its in op

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Me: cases ladd town, votes benneh
Thread: OVER IN NARNIA OVER THERE WHO KNOWS WHAT HES DOING

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so let me ask you sunbae. why did you go for a meaningless 1 naked vote wagon on benneh when you have been town casing ladd, instead of you know actually helping ladd and voting the player that ladd was convinced was mafia.

because unironically some of your posts (like this one) read to me like u are wolfcasing yourself.

Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

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Originally Posted by Gemma

villagers are
dya
insom
grr
dolby
maple

maple's there bc im willing to hold the read for jan

dolby voters should have more to say imo to justify a wagon on the slot

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Im not gonna lie dolby's guilt is so self-evident to me that it's hard to put to words lmao

i recognize that this is a bad sign

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Originally Posted by Maple

Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

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Not to be that guy but who actually tells us that wolves had no method to stop the Jan JK kill?

jan and ben being the only two kills in the night make that possibility pretty nonsensical, given wolf!me just kills jan and we use our factional elsewhere

in that scenario, the medic heal would be fake and/or we just never stack w/ him on dya

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i agree on wisdom's w equity and the out of placeness of the claim in relation to everything else. idrg it but she did fake claim as a wolf in a recent 12/12er i hosted where she claimed some kinda cop (vanilla cop or somethin idr) on d2 as and survived / won the game off that silliness. if i draw a parallel from that game to this one the a) apparently unnecessary claim timing and b) the believability of the role existing in the roleset given everything else we know (she claimed that cop when other investigative had been elim'd d1 and i think the other PR had a pseudo invest like a desperado or smth) line up with my perception of the current game state and her place in it.

the 3p!devil would make sense thematically as an arsonist but there's ~0% shot rask tried to fake claim a vig shot that wasn't his own and the rest of the apparent KP in the game doesn't align with an arsonist existing unless they ignited last night AND arctic... shot someone he was village reading

my worry is that maple is wolf KP and wisdom is a meh role/Goon particularly because how the self-resolving/attention drawing occurred and if w we look at another 2/3 deaths tomorrow. but in that world i feel like wisdom would be lolcatting to throw the lunch here and they seem content? maybe that's telling lol

maybe we flip it around and kill wisdom here and have jan jail/kill maple? idk

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Eeeeeeh.

I really don't wanna go Wisdom now. I think that's probably my biggest takeaway rn.

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Is this your only reason cuz its probably gonna take a horse to drag me off wisdom. thing of note is that benneh was very well aware of wisdoms fakeclaim in the 12/12er on MU, so my question is why didnt he bring it up the day before already to shade her. Don't know how much of a powerwolf benneh is but that was my initial reaction to it and he didnt mention until I did. (and I'm also not sure I understand WHAT you are seeing in that post).

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Originally Posted by grr

Is this your only reason cuz its probably gonna take a horse to drag me off wisdom. thing of note is that benneh was very well aware of wisdoms fakeclaim in the 12/12er on MU, so my question is why didnt he bring it up the day before already to shade her. Don't know how much of a powerwolf benneh is but that was my initial reaction to it and he didnt mention until I did. (and I'm also not sure I understand WHAT you are seeing in that post).

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Benneh probably mostly powerwolfed this game. He's been known to bus too but I think he powerwolfs a lot

kinda just not feeling good about monty atm

@dyachei

why mont v? im pretty back and forth on the slot. the ladd stuff gives me the most concern at the moment. seems plausibly teamed with other slots in the poe

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Originally Posted by Maple

jan and ben being the only two kills in the night make that possibility pretty nonsensical, given wolf!me just kills jan and we use our factional elsewhere

in that scenario, the medic heal would be fake and/or we just never stack w/ him on dya

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That is assuming the wolves had 2 kills available in that night and the doc actually did save dyachei? Not sure why they wouldn't just have one.

Vote: Knights

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Originally Posted by grr

That is assuming the wolves had 2 kills available in that night and the doc actually did save dyachei? Not sure why they wouldn't just have one.

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No, I *personally* had the ability to just kill Jan last night. In the world where I'm a wolf, that means we had at least 2 kp available.

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Originally Posted by Maple

No, I *personally* had the ability to just kill Jan last night. In the world where I'm a wolf, that means we had at least 2 kp available.

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you'd have been blocked in jail tho man? Think your one shot PGO wouldn't have been usable
@EnderWiggin I think to get to wisdom spewed from Benneh that doesn't cover it. I feel that the first thing with Benneh talking to me does look good from Wisdom but I was clearing Wisdom for bad reasons since I was still catching up with the thread at the time, and it would have potentially been bad long term to use that to clear wisdom when I don't think Wisdom was a major push at that exact point in time?

Straight up disagree with the post advocating voting out wisdom and exeing Maple. Thread was clearly moving towards a wisdom lead at that time and there's some hedgy language in that despite that leads me to think that he didn't want to actually go there

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Originally Posted by Gemma

ftr monty repeating "we must yeet wisdom so gemma clear is lock clear" all through his iso like he's practicing voodoo gives me the creeps

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also really weird when he doesn't vote wisdom

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Originally Posted by Maple

Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

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we don't know if he believed you

could gotten rb'd for all we know

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Originally Posted by insomnia

we don't know if he believed you

could gotten rb'd for all we know

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tbh I can fully believe that Jan didn't exe Maple. When Jan was saying he was gonna jail Maple my internal thought process at the time were basically "he isn't gonna exe him if he gets a card". Especially plausible given ladd flipped green

but I'm not gonna harp on it to hard unless maple becomes a wagon

Bullet points, wisdom has:

* OMGUS pushed back against bop d1
* OMGUS pushed ladd, and also not actually engaged ladd critically with that. she asked him exactly 0 questions for his reasonings when he sussed her.
* pushed extremely widely townread player didistetter
* pushed extremely widely townread player grr

Sometimes villas have an offgame and have very out of field takes but this an extremely inaccurate gameview and also very plausible to be a way to reduce spew to a minimum (mostly sus people where it doesnt generate additional info for town when you flip wolf). Also dead villas all had her in the bottom of their reads. she was also a CW to ladd.

It's just where I'm at you don't have to agree. Cya later.

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Originally Posted by grr

Bullet points, wisdom has:

* OMGUS pushed back against bop d1
* OMGUS pushed ladd, and also not actually engaged ladd critically with that. she asked him exactly 0 questions for his reasonings when he sussed her.
* pushed extremely widely townread player didistetter
* pushed extremely widely townread player grr

Sometimes villas have an offgame and have very out of field takes but this an extremely inaccurate gameview and also very plausible to be a way to reduce spew to a minimum (mostly sus people where it doesnt generate additional info for town when you flip wolf). Also dead villas all had her in the bottom of their reads. she was also a CW to ladd.

It's just where I'm at you don't have to agree. Cya later.

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here's another thing

I think there's a world where Wisdom's scumreads this game have 0 wolves

D2 they have me/Gemma/Vanta. I know I'm town, I think Gemma is town. I think that Vanta's EOD is kinda unpairred from Benneh in the sense of why do that as a wolf and I think that they were a villager setting up for that switch in the last hour tbh (wheras Benneh's was pure opportunism)

EOD3 they have Vanta, ladd, gemma, and maple. Don't need to write anything more on this except for maple, and it's just I think Jan got the card (also think in retro them getting on Maple was opportunistic but at the same time was a bit disconnected from the thread which is a good look). Jan also claimed that Maple would be cut off from wolf chat so I think that Maple is bringing Jan's real thoughts to the thread which is a town point.

During d3 they were also pushing Monte a bit and tbh I think Monte does look a good amount worse now but I don't think Im going for him today

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Originally Posted by grr

so let me ask you sunbae. why did you go for a meaningless 1 naked vote wagon on benneh when you have been town casing ladd, instead of you know actually helping ladd and voting the player that ladd was convinced was mafia.

because unironically some of your posts (like this one) read to me like u are wolfcasing yourself.

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because i was specifically and directly told that we were killing wisdom and jailing maple, that i was not needed for the day, and to go rest up?

and then i voted my best wolf read on the way out?

like come on you have to be actively attempting to twist things around to try and wolf read me if this is where youre at

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Originally Posted by grr

Bullet points, wisdom has:

* OMGUS pushed back against bop d1
* OMGUS pushed ladd, and also not actually engaged ladd critically with that. she asked him exactly 0 questions for his reasonings when he sussed her.
* pushed extremely widely townread player didistetter
* pushed extremely widely townread player grr

Sometimes villas have an offgame and have very out of field takes but this an extremely inaccurate gameview and also very plausible to be a way to reduce spew to a minimum (mostly sus people where it doesnt generate additional info for town when you flip wolf). Also dead villas all had her in the bottom of their reads. she was also a CW to ladd.

It's just where I'm at you don't have to agree. Cya later.

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Oh also I forgot about another point, so imma do that quickly: She pushed gemma who she said would clear her in #2850

This is another safe push in the "ok this player is in a difference check with me anyway so I can call them a wolf safely" category. ok gone again.

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Originally Posted by Dolby

tbh I can fully believe that Jan didn't exe Maple. When Jan was saying he was gonna jail Maple my internal thought process at the time were basically "he isn't gonna exe him if he gets a card". Especially plausible given ladd flipped green

but I'm not gonna harp on it to hard unless maple becomes a wagon

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jan explicitly said he'd exe him

So I spent the night thinking about it and I think I have to operate under the assumption that it's possible Benneh didn't know the wolves after the lost wolf goon signal. Not necessarily certain, but it also explains a bit why he'd basically be spinning wheels in the middle ground and keeping a relatively low profile without pushing anyone overly hard. Which means I don't want to give any villager points from Benneh spew to people.

which is fine, we can just ignore the bullshit and just focus on people posting woofy to solve.

I do still think the wolves certainly knew benneh in this case after the signal so I do want to still read into spew in that direction.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Players Votes

Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Didistetter)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Syn 3 (insomnia, Newcomb, Gemma)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

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EOD1 late:

I've been rereading Insomnia and want to shore up that read a bit.

I floated the idea last game day of Insom's eod1 making sense in a Insom/Gemma/Benneh/Syn world. With Insom shading Ladd for pushing Gemma, shading Knights over Gemma because "knights wants to live more", and then hopping on Syn without reading posts. However, I do not think this the case anymore despite the Benneh flip. In this world now, Insomnia would have to be pretty much bussing the entire team. I say this because if I rewind back to a bit before eod1 Insomnia WAS voting Gemma (it even sparks a discussion with Ladd about "spooky votes on Gemma"), then voted Syn, and now I know he opens up day 2 by voting Benneh. So in this scenario, Insomnia would need to be bussing the entire team yet not be leveraging it into killing any villagers or getting the obvious credit (hadn't read any of syns posts, etc, says "voting people you dont remember anything of" when voting benneh).

I also note that killed villagers had Insom as a strong villager too.

I look at this vote count from when Insom voted Syn and there are plenty of opportunities to vote a villager and instead he lands on Syn in a "haven't read their posts lmao" way.

So I think Insom is just a villager?

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Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

I have one post after this i think, maybe 2 but definitely 1.

Claims in order of townyness from my PoV

Rasko- vig who killed sheep
Jan- PR
ender-something that targetted stet
wisdom-firefighter
maple-self PGO?



vvvv(o wolves)
Rasko

vvv(0-1 wolves)
stet
insomnia


vv(0-1 wolf)
dya
grr

v(1-2 wolves)
arctic
jan
vanta
gemma
knights

/shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
mont
dolby
maple
sunbae
benneh

w(0-2 wolves)
ender
wisdom

WRT maple- i didnt read his last couple posts before my last post so i didnt realize he PGO himself. I dont know how that is self resolving, but fuck it we can give it a day

I was looking at the wagons from eod 1 and there is a point where its

I feel like gemma/knights fell into the tonal abyss today after getting a pass from the majority of the thread; not feeling great about that. If ender is a wolf i wouldnt worry about knights. If ender is a villa then that opens up the world where knights is a wolf PR better than syn but thats a reach.

I find it kind of weird that arctic seemed to be around for the EoD but never really pparticipated when we had such close wagons, when i looked at Visor's iso for votecounts, they dont show up until the last one as one of the last minute votes. In the last 15 minutes main wagons were moving and changing but arctic doesnt vote until the pile on in the last minute. I think thats kind of a bad look if it is true they were in fact around with all the wagon changes and not commiting to anything votewise

I think the least believable claims are wisdom/maple but i wouldnt kill maple til tomorrow; he says he can self resolve, i dont think he can self resolve but i dont think it hurts us killing him tomorrow instead of today in the weird chance that he can clear himself. I wouldnt berate you for going there today though


If you want to go outside the claims, i'd go somewhere in dolby/benneh/ladd/sunbae. I would probably go sunbae

I think I'd vote out wisdom if we are to go inside the claims. The day 1 reads of jan/ender didn't make sense to me and the claim today feels meh.

my heart say go wisdom so thats where i'll vote for now

Vote: Wisdom

I think wisdom because there is no way we can confirm that role and it will always just be a question we have. Even if we can surmise there is an arsonist, it still wouldnt clear wisdom.


I believe i have two posts left and im going to save them for the eod.


PSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPS

I was about to post this and i saw the dya/rask threadvelopment. The correct thing to do is to do nothing. I think if they are not v/v then rask is always the wolf. Dya is under no pressure to claim and if i understand them correctly there is some reason where rask can't be the sheep shooter. Rask still has a shot so if he's a villa you just let him shoot the wolf!dya. EZ PZ.

I'd go wisdom still because they work as a wolf regardless of how the claimbattle turns out and they have one of the weaker claims.

Vote: Wisdom

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Originally Posted by Arctic

guess i'm just gonna use this time to talk about some other things

i don't like wisdom's post about the situation regardless of what rask is (i think dya is town either way imo, claim matches too well with what they've been crumbing previously + no real reason to claim here). it feels like TMI that rask is a wolf here, or even if he isn't the lack of real consideration about what's going on doesn't feel great

i haven't spoken about grr yet today but i want it known that i am +1'ing all of the lock town meta reads on him - he is a much more binary player as a wolf and it would be a lot more obvious. he isn't really capable of replicating the back and forth he's had over his reads and his doubt/paranoia on stuff. i can't describe it very well and these all feel like buzzwords, but he is a pretty idiosyncratic player and the way he's been parsing this game particularly with the frustration over being ignored on the newcomb push + his indignation in interactions with rask today are just from town him. i would not reconsider this read until lylo

insomnia's posts are also just too good, even if ladd is town i don't care i just feel like he's been the only person in the group of "strong players" who's been seriously getting his hands dirty and actually parsing that group, would maybe reconsider like the day before lylo but i doubt it. same applies to stett, she has a particular way of questioning people as town where i can tell she cares about the response and her follow ups have been proof of this

i'm actually less sure on ladd being a wolf now that i think wisdom is probably a wolf which is ironic given the earlier sentiment expressed, but ladd was the first person to call out wisdom's claim as probably fake iirc so it's worth thinking about. i would expect at least one between them though

i was going to say that after colonel's post transcripting the neighborhood chat i would have locked him as town but learning that was all fake kind of gave me whiplash and also scares me a little in terms of implications for how good his wolfgame is knowing he can fake all that. i haven't had many other thoughts on his posts today. i'd re-visit him like.. tomorrow, honestly? maybe the day after

sunbae i am kinda townreading cuz i honestly just believe the unconvincing self-meta wall. like they expected it to be not convincing if they are a wolf. when i'm town i have a habit of doing the same thing and just posting it anyway because i know it's true, and i don't bother so much when i'm a wolf. i also don't really feel like they have an agenda and the restless urge to do something that strong wolf players have tends to be pretty hard to ignore, and that's what he's done this game if he is a wolf. i find it much easier to just be happy about doing nothing when i'm town than when i'm a wolf, most people probably know this feeling too. is this gonna stop you guys killing him later - probably not, and i don't expect it to either, so this one is more of a hero townread that i fully expect you guys to ignore

montmorency actually, uh, yeah still no clue honestly. i find his posting very null. i've seen the arguments about his eod1 seeming uninformed and there seems to be some meta involved which i nodded along to, but i think this may need to be reconsidered if rask is a wolf too

benneh i think kinda falls into a similar place to sunbae for me (quite unhelpful, i know) but i don't really think the way he's playing is super sustainable as a wolf? i know that like, no one is really trying to kill him but going back to the restless urge thing, it seems like if he is a wolf he's perfectly happy about just letting villagers clear each other which is inevitably going to result in his untimely boxing in. dunno. i think he's had fine posts today, i don't agree with the ender push but i think his last push on rask seemed the most grounded thing presented today. i'm running out of people to call a wolf though so uhm i guess he's just a wolf anyway. rip!

think i've more or less spoken about everyone else

i have found knights and gemma distinctly unimpressive today (moreso knights, i still believe gemma is spewed) but if we keep missing killing people who aren't either of these two, the world where all of the wagons on day 1 were wolves is worth considering, because wolves stacking on syn there is like, pretty a pretty reasonable explanation for things. so re-visit them if the above people keep flipping town i guess

but as it stands my poe would probably be

jan (replace with colonel if rask is wolf)
dolby
mont
vanta
benneh
ladd
maple
wisdom
rask

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Originally Posted by ladd

sap, here is where I am at. Only time I will be able to post from a pc today probably

v
ladd
insomnia
grr
jan
dya
gemma
dolby


I am pretty confident the above has 0 wolves, dont really care to go into detail on any of them rigth now cause I am short of time but dont touch them until lylo.

the rest
maple
wisdom
ender
vanta
monty
knights
benneh
sunbae



my FEELING without reading back is that vanta/monti are probably villagers but it's also hard to fully clear them with confidence

Of the 2 i think monti has the more tangible reasons to actually be cleared, it feels like he is in his own little word in a villagery way when he is around

I also think vanta is probably spewed v by wisdom w



Sunbae has been saying all the right things today, in the sense that i have agreed with 99% of the things he said. My only problem is that I just cant find any reason why it cannot be just a wolvf spinning his wheels? Like I read dolby solving and think he is an obvious villager, I sadly just dont get the same feeling from sunbae posts but if someone pointed a gun to my head I would say they are a villager



Knights's posting just isnt cutting it with me, sorry. I think his push on Jan should have been revaluated a while ago and I really dont find anything he has said this game villagery, the issues I had with him d1 are all still there. In the end if he is a wolf who decided to buss at eod1 his posting would look pretty much exactly like this



Gonna talk about benneh cause it ties into my knights read well enuf since knights/benneh is a thing I have been strongly considering in my mind from like early d1. I have been unfair to benneh this game and for that sorry, I know i have been lazy as fuck in actually reading you. I think their bottom 4 being 3 pr claims+1 me isnt a great sign and i think the way he is pushing maple today is a bit sueperficial but more importantly I just cant really find villa benneh after 3 days which is pretty unsual.



And then we have the 3 PR claims:

ender - i want him to claim for clarity cause he has been softing giving stett somethign and that seems to kinda counterclaim maple but he has been vague about it. Idk I just feel there is so much pr claims+he is in the POE where I dont see any reasong for him not to claim. Gth think villa but want claim. Not w/w with benneh


maple - i'll be real, the only thing I dislike with manti wrt the claim is that they said they were self confirmable yesterday which isnt exactly true even if someone got the card since apparentely manti does nto know what the cards do? I think arctic was an ok target given how many PR claims were around

wisdom - i am sad but i think they are just a wolf. Their firefighter claim mechanically just doesnt make sense to me, I have seen them claim early as a wolf before, their d2 was pretty bad and i thought their vanta push on d2 in particular felt super lazy from them. I just think from d2 on they have missed the SPARK. I also dont like they they have been leaning on their softs as a way to make their claim more villagery- the truth is that most villagers dont actually care to soft. If it helps bop also wanted them dead before dying

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im also just going to listen to the dead vilalgers and call grr lock town and blame them if wrong, cause thats 3 of them feeling very strong about grr

So it's day 4 and I think it's usually a great idea to reset once you hit the midgame and just methodically go through the player list and reevaluate all of your reads. Just a good way to not get locked in and cover all the bases. So I'm going to do that.

Villagers

Sunbae (thats me!)
Dyachei (vig, pew pew)
Grr (locked in by like every dead villager)
Insom (voted syn d1, voted benneh to open day 2, called villager strongly by Arctic and Ladd and Bop)

Leaves me a pool to work from of:
Vanta
Gemma
Ender
Wisdom
Maple
Mont
Knights
Dolby


So I'm going to continue working through this list today. It's not finished obviously, just working through the process and figured it'd be more fun to show the process than just post a list at the end. I think I have to work from that villager list being pure.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Hi stett!

Where did you see me play?

I am not a great scumhunter, and I don't think I have a typical approach. Kinda vibey, and I have had some good streaks where I identified scum but I'm not very persuasive at getting them voted. A lot of it is "gut feeling thisi player is town, will follow their vote," but I'm pretty strict about not voting my townreads no matter what.

Do not expect any walls from me. If I'm still here by D4 I will probably come up with a very outlandish theory to explain the game.

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@Vanta Black

I am ready for the very outlandish theory :help:

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Originally Posted by Jan

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Well I am going to bed now, I had a meeting earlier tonight and it used up most of my brain. But I'm saying this for tomorrow, I thought Gemma's vote on syn was a little skeevy. I have got a note that says she had a town lean on him earlier, if I can read my writing. I want to iso her and see how this happened because I also think she had early townlean on TKON and also put a vote on him. You all can read this as light suss on Gemma. I can't prove nothin' though.

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Toan villagey
Content hmphy
Which wins out

A small note:

I do not think Knights and Gemma are paired based on eod1. Knight's responses to Gemma and Gemma voting Knights before they all pivot to Syn just doesn't strike me as paired. It's the way that Knights shades Gemma and eventually has the "do you really think I'm wolfier than (someone I forget) or syn?" post that Gemma says "no not really" or something similar before moving off. There would also be insane amounts of bussing here?

I also do not think Gemma and Wisdom are paired. But I think the threads been hammering that one so I won't explain it further.

Vanta,

that post says you have been making notes on players. Could you share where your heads at with different people?

Also, if you're wondering why I'm so concerned about the lost wolf signal from Benneh:

If benneh is a pack wolf then I think I can clear Wisdom and Ender from the way Benneh talked about them. Wisdom was an early defense with an overly long explanation post and then went after Wisdom later when possible. Then with Ender Benneh jumped on my early suspicion which is not how he'd treat a teammate or anything.

The issue is I don't know if I can actually do that. Which is why I'm quite annoyed at the signal post (good post Benneh).

Headache day

Vote:Maple This is still a wolf, but I'm guessing not arsonist. I'm not really sure who the other ones are, not confident that Gemma's wolfing right now.

Dya/Dolby/Grr/Insomnia all town I think. So 1-2 wolves in [Sunbae Knights Ender Vanta Gemma]. Gut still says Vanta/Gemma but I dunno.

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@dyachei

why mont v? im pretty back and forth on the slot. the ladd stuff gives me the most concern at the moment. seems plausibly teamed with other slots in the poe

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it's just that he's upper POE to me. I think his defense of rask is weird if he's a wolf tbh but it wouldnt have really ended up with a wolf dead if he got his way, either so he could be white knighting

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Originally Posted by Gemma

villagers are
dya
insom
grr
dolby
maple

maple's there bc im willing to hold the read for jan

dolby voters should have more to say imo to justify a wagon on the slot

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Gemma, can you town case Dolby for me? It would help me out a lot because I'm not entirely sure there.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

it's just that he's upper POE to me. I think his defense of rask is weird if he's a wolf tbh but it wouldnt have really ended up with a wolf dead if he got his way, either so he could be white knighting

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My current take on Mont is that:

- their eod1 of unvoting Rask (a villager to a wolf) while Syn is starting to get wagoned
- their eod2 of claiming lovers with Rask (a villager to a wolf) to try and save Rask as the last moment
- their day 3 posting including their insistence that wisdom is the best kill to solve to gemma reads towny to me (in that "a villager thinks something, repeats it a bunch, nobody else is really thinking that way but they truly believe it so they dont care and keep repeating it)

has me leaning villager but I can't lock it in without first exploring how the Ladd vote came about closer and not really having a huge "this person is clear" certainty moment

uh, im reading through enders iso and its quite villagery?

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Headache day

Vote:Maple This is still a wolf, but I'm guessing not arsonist. I'm not really sure who the other ones are, not confident that Gemma's wolfing right now.

Dya/Dolby/Grr/Insomnia all town I think. So 1-2 wolves in [Sunbae Knights Ender Vanta Gemma]. Gut still says Vanta/Gemma but I dunno.

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There is 0 way I go over, over you. If you want to not die today, try someone else. If you try pushing me, you are just going to die pathetically.

If you are village, I implore you to push someone else, even if you genuinely believe I'm a wolf because this just seals your fate.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

uh, im reading through enders iso and its quite villagery?

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with his interactions with ender I feel pretty sure ender is v here

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Originally Posted by dyachei

with his interactions with ender I feel pretty sure ender is v here

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Im a bit disappointed that Ender and I have just been sending smoke signals back and forth this game cause its always fun to vibe with him :(

Can I get your thoughts on my "oh no, Benneh posted a lost wolf signal and now I don't know if I can read into his thoughts on Wisdom?" thing cause I'm kind of hung up on it and backburnering a Wisdom iso until later this game day because of it.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Im a bit disappointed that Ender and I have just been sending smoke signals back and forth this game cause its always fun to vibe with him :(

Can I get your thoughts on my "oh no, Benneh posted a lost wolf signal and now I don't know if I can read into his thoughts on Wisdom?" thing cause I'm kind of hung up on it and backburnering a Wisdom iso until later this game day because of it.

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can you quote the post I dont quite know what you mean

I'm gonna be honest here: I've just been ignoring the wisdom/maple claim stuff and will just be trying to solve people by their postings.

like, i can't know for sure if Jan was roleblocked or spared maple and I feel like theres enough info in the thread to not bank the game on guessing which one is which you know?

and i think "just focus on the people not being villagery" has been working out (syn/rask/benneh) and should continue working today if we go through the game and solve

I like my town core posted above and think we can probably expand it if we work together. Im close to putting ender in it (side note: a inverter and a booster seems weird to both be villa but again, not gonna focus on that too much I just wanna mention it)

Outside of Dya/Insom/Grr who is everyones "i will bet the game on them being a villager" read?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i mean, i was actively encouraging him to go on...

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sick lost mafia goon soft, ty [ glow] tags

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here dya

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Originally Posted by Dolby

I expect Wisdom, Ender, and Maple to all come in pushing me and/or Monty

Big question for me for how I view EOD is 1. Is Rask a killing or jester role. I think almost certainly a SK variant. In that case I actually really like Gemma’s EoD. Mafia have probably clocked that Rask is SK by that point and I don’t think that Gemma would be saying that they were saying about the claims then. Same applies to a way lesser extent to Monty. I kind of don’t like Vantas vote on Dya looking at it in retrospect bc like, any town should recognize that Rask looks worse but I also think that Vanta was kinda disconnected from the thread in that moment so it’s probably fine

I think Ender can turn it around but bro is probs wolfing, more at 11

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Can you elaborate on this "wolves clocked Rask is SK" line?

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Originally Posted by Gemma

how do we know wolves carry? i checked op and dont see it am i blind

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If Benneh is a pack wolf I'd lock clear Gemma for this post fdksgjldghdk

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Originally Posted by Gemma

he's now sexier

:whip:

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lmao

i kinda kept missing it in real time but rereading, gemma's posts are hilarious <3

Idk what to make of that but Ben makes lost wolf jokes all the time so...

Gemma is my next lock town sunbae

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I'm gonna be honest here: I've just been ignoring the wisdom/maple claim stuff and will just be trying to solve people by their postings.

like, i can't know for sure if Jan was roleblocked or spared maple and I feel like theres enough info in the thread to not bank the game on guessing which one is which you know?

and i think "just focus on the people not being villagery" has been working out (syn/rask/benneh) and should continue working today if we go through the game and solve

I like my town core posted above and think we can probably expand it if we work together. Im close to putting ender in it (side note: a inverter and a booster seems weird to both be villa but again, not gonna focus on that too much I just wanna mention it)

Outside of Dya/Insom/Grr who is everyones "i will bet the game on them being a villager" read?

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Ender

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Originally Posted by dyachei

Idk what to make of that but Ben makes lost wolf jokes all the time so...

Gemma is my next lock town sunbae

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Fair. Maybe I just want it to be true so I can convince myself my day one read was wrong for the right reasons :clown:

ok dya/insom

Lets say we add Gemma/Ender

Sunbae
dya
Grr
Insom

Gemma
Ender


Leaves us with:
Vanta
Wisdom
Maple
Mont
Knights
Dolby



Do we have any unpairings in this six?

I've been operating under the assumption that its 4 wolves + sk vs 16 villagers (so 11/2). I suppose maybe 5 isnt out of the realm of possibility so 9/3 in that case.

Ok I read a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Jan

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

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@dyachei or anyone that isn't maple.

Has this happened? do we have the "actual hard confirmation that we can comprehend?" I personally don't but I might be missing something I'm not very experienced with complicated mech stuff?

If not just blast Maple because he should just be outed by him saying Jan actually spared him (I could see a world where Maple is villa and wolves RBed Jan to spew Maple wolf Ig but this by Maple's own word hasn't happened and Jan explicitly changed his mind which I don't think he'd do because that'd mean he went back by his word and he seems very careful about it so I assume he wouldn't.)

There might be a world where both are wolves and maybe its better to kill wisdom first but Maple should be literally outed and so ya know.

maybe i shouldn't give dolby that much leeway for pushing ender, because benneh also did

idk he's been just incredibly villagery imo compared to his wolf games. i didn't get benneh's read there and by extension dolby's, especially since he has meta

gth a team that makes sense (just off PoE and my random gut pings)

dolby / knights / wisdom

that's if we take maple as legit and sunbae as villa, which im not sold on

i really need to read mont though

By what I read by Jan I don't see how Maple above there can not be an outed wolf here ngl? would be super unsound mech play by Jan that I do not get at all?!? his intentions were stated clearly.

yeah, i heavily doubt jan is the type to take back his word to the thread

there's only like 2-3 people i can think of that would do that in the entire database

if we choose to follow this route, then maple is outed because he said jan told him he'd spare him, which wouldn't have happened

if maple is a wolf then it's p much confirmed the wolves have a RBer


also i think if you look deeper, there's a post of jan's saying it's good to jail maple and exe him because if manti is legit, he gets manti's item anyway, so no downside to not executing him

but idk, if i were in jan's shoes (or anyone that would have had his role), after the ladd flashwagon it would've made me even more convinced of just exeing manti /shrug

Wisdom is still reasonable PoE imo blast them both. don't wagon anyone else up. 10 pm and i decided to be kind to myself going forward wrt to playing mafia in general so im calling it quits for today even if i'll probably read a long a bit. gn.

if manti is a wolf i actually did p good this game

think i made a post yesterday saying the votes should be benneh or maple

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

I’m pondering it but why

also thoughts on maple, sunbae, Gemm?

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Lol if Benneh just outted his whole team here

ig problem is with wisdom and maple being two wolves then benneh outing to kill ladd is p much game losing so idk whats up with that but feels very unlikely.

anyhow kill them both listen to dya or something idfk lmaoooo

Vote: Wisdom
Vote: Maple

cya.

I hate only having one vote we need to change mafia game rules to everyone having 2 votes. ok gn for real lmfao.

Vanta seems to have ~similar reads to me which I hope is good, couldn’t find anything else in his iso worth noticing, but he's generally less stilted than I remember him being in his wolf champs game.

Maybe he's just town. Sorry to be late on that train.

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Originally Posted by grr

ig problem is with wisdom and maple being two wolves then benneh outing to kill ladd is p much game losing so idk whats up with that but feels very unlikely.

anyhow kill them both listen to dya or something idfk lmaoooo

Vote: Wisdom
Vote: Maple

cya.

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If Maple is town then wowee. Maybe Benneh wanted to make sure I died before another ignite, since that would ~clear me.

Who did maple target n1 again?

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Vanta seems to have ~similar reads to me which I hope is good, couldn’t find anything else in his iso worth noticing, but he's generally less stilted than I remember him being in his wolf champs game.

Maybe he's just town. Sorry to be late on that train.

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Not late on that train at all because I'm very much on the fence

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

If Maple is town then wowee. Maybe Benneh wanted to make sure I died before another ignite, since that would ~clear me.

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why are u even saying this. you repped a confident wolfread some posts ago so I kinda thought you would have reasons for being confident and now u go like "if maple is town"

jfc.

Vote: Maple
Vote: Wisdom

ok i need to force myself away from here now otherwise i will be flipflopping for the next few hours. Consider me undecided but no one else should be the elimination today that's nonsense lol.

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Originally Posted by grr

why are u even saying this. you repped a confident wolfread some posts ago so I kinda thought you would have reasons for being confident and now u go like "if maple is town"

jfc.

Vote: Maple
Vote: Wisdom

ok i need to force myself away from here now otherwise i will be flipflopping for the next few hours. Consider me undecided but no one else should be the elimination today that's nonsense lol.

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Idk Grr, there's a non zero chance after my reread is finished (though itill have to be overnight/early tomorrow, about to go to a baseball game!) that I want to go elsewhere.

Can someone compile the following information into one post for me:

Maples claim
Maples d1 target
Maples d2 target
Maples d3 target

Enders claim
Enders d1 target
Enders d2 target
Enders d3 target

Wisdoms claim
Wisdoms d1 target
Wisdoms d2 target
Wisdoms d3 target



I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics over posting but I do want that info in one easily accessible place to understand things as clearly as i can

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I will vote Wisdom if ladd dies tonight. (I will also vote Maple if ladd dies tonight.)

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

If you want to solve Gemma, the priority should be flipping Wisdom.

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Monte works quite well in a Maple/Gemma team tbh. So maybe the team is Maple/Gemma/Monte

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I will vote Wisdom if ladd dies tonight. (I will also vote Maple if ladd dies tonight.)

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

If you want to solve Gemma, the priority should be flipping Wisdom.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Can someone compile the following information into one post for me:

Maples claim
Maples d1 target
Maples d2 target
Maples d3 target

Enders claim
Enders d1 target
Enders d2 target
Enders d3 target

Wisdoms claim
Wisdoms d1 target
Wisdoms d2 target
Wisdoms d3 target



I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics over posting but I do want that info in one easily accessible place to understand things as clearly as i can

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N1 Stett
N2 Colonel
N3 out of shots, only had 2

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw

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Could you remind me what this was about Wisdom?

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Could you remind me what this was about Wisdom?

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I expected wolves to have an arson (still kinda do) and unlikely to have other kp (which still seems to be the case, if the both doused and ignited n2). Hence Sheep, who was also sussed by most d1, was more likely to be a town kill.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I kinda forgot Benneh exists. He's been out of my scope most of the game. (So have Insomnia tho, but wagons are fun)

Vote: Neb

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I do think him being busy is genuine and NAI though but I don't mind pushing him a bit.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I forgot about both Mont existing when I wrote that. Ben too, really, but it wouldn't have changed my point.

While it's not worth much, I thought that Benneh in a few bursts of posts (214 to 376 in his iso) varied shitposting with solving in a way that I associate with town PoV, but it's not worth much and doubt it's towny for him specifically.

Maple is mostly a bs read. I liked his talk about getting reversed but when Jan started talking about it I kinda changed my mind, doing mech stuff to mislead is exactly what I expect from w!Maple.

Sunbae just sounds pure.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Ok read Monte's iso he's still null.

Vote: Gemma

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Dolby is mostly a PoE slot right now.

Gemma isn't doing much with her time in thread and it doesn't seem like she have more thoughts than she's sharing if you know what I mean with that.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

But also a bit of vanity because I wanna see if I hit a wolf d1 and that'd probably clear me

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

That I'm not super familiar with Gemma or Vanta but I still think they both have wolf equity (unlikely w/w tho). Are you familiar with them?

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just pulling some wisdom posts dont mind me

It ain't much but my streak of locking a town correctly d1 continues. Hopefully the streak of ending the d1 cote on a wolf as well.

I'm sad I didn't mason more with Jan!</3

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Opening thread before falling asleep was a mistake.

I voted Gemma because I think she’s the most likely to be a wolf. I tried pushing Vanta and Ben before that but exactly 0 things happened so I went back to Gemma.

My PoE is largely the same because I believe in them, the way I solve is getting a PoE through finding town reads then finding things that people in my PoE has done that's town indicative (like Bop) and checking whom I've called town for bad reasons (like Vanta). There are some slots that I've got a lot of experience with and have no clue how to read, so instead I listen to what others says about them and try to form an opinion based on that (like Insomnia).

And then there is you and this is a me problem but you have no idea how hard I analyzed your play in sf1 last year and that is now how I expect you to play as town, which of course isn't fair. It's just bugging me that you blatantly said in your first post that you're not going to play like that and that exact move is what I expect w!you to do. But I recognize that pretty much everyone else town reads you, you solve in a towny way and you have oomph and is probably thread spewed town, so I have no reason to sus you unless you're alive in lategame. I kinda expected you to be nk'd. It still bugs my head though, I'm looking the Stett that went completely bananas in her mission to solve the game every single day and she simply isn't here ^^

But I mean, I'm obviously not playing my all-in game here either. I've mostly been on phone (which I avoid in Champs games if I can) and I struggle to connect with games where most action happens in my sleep and since I can't be here at EoD I can't really influence who dies (or save myself, hence I've been misyeeted on every Org game I've played) so I'm just in my own cloud trying to solve for my own sake, only giving input when I think it's worth anything.

And yeah the wall yeet post was a joke and a reminder because I've had to skip a few posts which always sucks because people are putting in effort into them that I can't comprehend without proper focus.

Sorry if I come off as aggressive, your thoughts are valid and I'm just tired <3 Good night friend, I'll adress any further issues tomorrow.
@didistetter

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Yeah makes sense. If there's something who'd fake claim to live another day it'd be Maple. What was the context before he claimed, was he pushed or was it from a safe position in threadstate?

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Feels like grr is currently fence sitting, just a note to self.

I'm falling asleep and need my sleep schedule intact, so I hope this get sorted out. Good night, yeet wolves, stay hyped!

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I initially thought two of Stett/Bop/Arson were w!Arson kills (would imply they could ignite and douse the same night) but I'm probably just here to screw things up due to flipless.

I'm useless now so might as well claim the rest. I targeted Stett n1 and Bop n2 so if those two got arsoned despite that some major fuckery is going on. Rask being SK and no arsonist existing makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Dya is 100% town. I kinda wanna stick to my Jan v read as well but I've pretty much reset overnight.

Why is Knights and Grr top town?

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Vote: Sunbae

:wowee:

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Grr is a mess to ISO but these posts and the ones following for the next two hours feels like Grr is very comfortable in thread and just laying back. Like there's not a lot of actual solving happening here.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Vote: Grr let's see where this goes

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I'm starting to suspect ladd is a wolf who's pocketing/whiteknighting me tbh, but it's hard to explain why

But when I think that there's 3-4 wolves in 14 players (right?) and that he's alive it's easy to think he's a wolf.

Like, the easiest world is it's like Gemma/Vanta/Dolby/Monte but it's never that easy. Ladd's easy to tinfoil, and then we have Knights and Benneh who I've got no clue on, and Ender who I can't remember a single d2 post from but I read he claimed pr.

Dya's town. Grr's probably town. I still want to think Jan is my D1 Town Clear and won't re-evaluate unless alive end game, if he's town pr he'll just die eventually anyway. And Maple who I don't know what his deal is.

My goal for today is finding 8 villagers, I have 3 right now +2 potential pr's. I'm soon done with work so can put some more work in when I get home.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I forgot about Insomnia and Sunbae. Put them in no clue but I know others town reads them.

Gemma seems like the carton "lots of sus little push" wolf from what I've read. She's probably the best slot to solve atm.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

@Maple why did you target Arctic of all people? Feels like a clumsy pick if you're town betting your "able to self resolve" on your target, and you're not a clumsy player.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Pretty sure I said Maple had wolf pr vibes d2 tbh, and between my post before and your question I caught up on his claim stuff earlier today. Everything doesn't revolve around you my friend ^^ (sorry for snark <3)

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

You're forgetting that I'm doing what I can with limited information. I haven't read half d2 and when I don't have enough information on someone I sheep the consensus (ie Knights/Insomnia) but when I find wolfy stuff I'm gonna point it out.

Last game I had here I was pushed all game because my reads weren't consensus. I was wrong on Syn being wolf and he got yeeted d1. I had Logic town d1-d3 and then he got misyeeted. I had Benneh/Hally in my PoE almost all game despite both being consensus town read and after I got misyeeted Hally continued to solo win.

I have good intuition and I know to trust myself and that sometimes it's better to listen to others and sometimes I should listen to my gut and my reasons.

Like, the knights posts I've seen all have looked towny but not unfakeable. Same with Sunbae. And since they aren't focused in thread, I don't prioritze trying to find micro stuff on them because that's going to be easier with more flips anyway.

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Idk friends, here's more Wisdom stuff and like

Who are they wolves with?

Benneh was overly defensive early and tried very hard to kill Wisdom.

Definitely not with Gemma.

Definitely not with Maple (repeatedly talking about Maple lying to buy a day while also being under pressure themselves, like going at it for multiple posts in quick succession).

Definitely not with Dolby (snipped at dolby while talking about having said maple had wolf pr vibes d2 and that not everything revolves around dolby, just do not see that as a w/w interaction when surrounded by the rest of the iso).

Shading Knights and Vanta at points including opening d2 with a vote there iirc.

Shading Me.

Shading Grr quite a bit so don't think paired there.


and if I think Ender is town and Insomnia is town that leaves what?


Wisdom/Knights/Mont?

which, meh. idk if i buy that given how hard mont wants to kill Wisdom to clear Gemma

Like ok:

1. I think if Benneh is a pack wolf the way he treats Wisdom makes little sense outside of the worlds where he wants to defend Wisdom early because Wisdom is actually a 2x shot wolf arsonist and got the stett/bop douse/ignite n1/n2 and then once that was used up is expendable to be bussed for credit.

2. Does that timeline line up to when Mont started pushing Wisdom?

3. However, if that's the case that's not how day 3 was lining up. Eod had Benneh on Wisdom but the other votes there were Gemma (not paird), Ladd (villager), Grr (not paired, widely v read by dead villagers), Dya (villa vig), Ender (town read). So if the wolf plan was "defend wisdom til used up and then bus for credit" then where is the rest of the bussing? Knights is on Jan then Ladd, Mont is on Ladd all day.


I think the most likely scenario is just that Wisdom is a villager and Benneh was trying to kill Wisdom because Benneh was a wolf?

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I kinda forgot Benneh exists. He's been out of my scope most of the game. (So have Insomnia tho, but wagons are fun)

Vote: Neb

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I do think him being busy is genuine and NAI though but I don't mind pushing him a bit.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I forgot about both Mont existing when I wrote that. Ben too, really, but it wouldn't have changed my point.

While it's not worth much, I thought that Benneh in a few bursts of posts (214 to 376 in his iso) varied shitposting with solving in a way that I associate with town PoV, but it's not worth much and doubt it's towny for him specifically.

Maple is mostly a bs read. I liked his talk about getting reversed but when Jan started talking about it I kinda changed my mind, doing mech stuff to mislead is exactly what I expect from w!Maple.

Sunbae just sounds pure.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Dolby is mostly a PoE slot right now.

Gemma isn't doing much with her time in thread and it doesn't seem like she have more thoughts than she's sharing if you know what I mean with that.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

But also a bit of vanity because I wanna see if I hit a wolf d1 and that'd probably clear me

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Maybe with Vanta? Knights/Wisdom/Vanta maybe could make sense?

ugh, sorry for repeat mq

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Can someone compile the following information into one post for me:

Maples claim
Maples d1 target
Maples d2 target
Maples d3 target

Enders claim
Enders d1 target
Enders d2 target
Enders d3 target

Wisdoms claim
Wisdoms d1 target
Wisdoms d2 target
Wisdoms d3 target



I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics over posting but I do want that info in one easily accessible place to understand things as clearly as i can

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myself, 10 of swords (pgo, unused)
SoD2 find out I have been inverted, and my role must now target another player
arctic, 7 of Pentacles (was hoping for a commute or smth since apparently this is associated with craftsmen in the context of movement (according to wikipedia))
jan, 10 of Wands (medic, used on dya (chose this cause i thought maybe my cards are *also* inverted, so i grabbed one where upright and upsidedown both seemed like they'd be positive and make someone less likely to die))

Anyway, if you think I can be paired with ben, you're insane. Worse than that, the possibility of me being paired with ben *and* another member of the poe? Like just break it down.

If for example you think wisdom/me are w/w

that's syn/wisdom/me/ben (maybe +1)

what the hell is our plan? Why is ben flipflopping between *both* buses, and only taking the out onto ladd when it's offered. That world just makes *0* sense. Repeat this thought experiment with each other player. Frankly, the only somewhat plausible pairing is me/sunbae, since sunbae was one of the few people who weren't all gung-ho on killing me. Like, getting me jailed by jan -- if im a wolf and therefore am a wolf with a rber -- it is *imperative* that I am left alive for the day and get an extra night so we can RB jan and get me out alive. Ben's play does not support that hypothesis.

And all of *that* puts aside the mechanics of the situation. Jan killing me was stipulated with us voting out wisdom. You think he's still gonna kill me after ladd goes over? He told me in the chat that he viewed ben as an outed wolf. Dya went into the night seeing ben as an outed wolf.

Can you see how me being a wolf here doesn't make sense?

Frankly, I'm shocked that I need to spend time explaining this. Then again, I was also shocked about how d2 went with people's handling of my slot, and *again* on d3 with the fucked cfd. I *wish* i got voted out over ladd. That shit was actually crazy.

so give us some guidance. you're the only one with that belief itg as of right now

and you know your alignment