Tarot Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

Eh. Might be Maple is just town after all.

Still considering but either that or Benneh decided to bus early for it.

Hmmmmmm.

I don't really rate the D3 push because early on it looked like Maple was just ~gonna die.

But Benneh did try to put Maple on the table D2. Idk how seriously. Will think on this.

[EnderWiggin]

i agree on wisdom's w equity and the out of placeness of the claim in relation to everything else. idrg it but she did fake claim as a wolf in a recent 12/12er i hosted where she claimed some kinda cop (vanilla cop or somethin idr) on d2 as and survived / won the game off that silliness. if i draw a parallel from that game to this one the a) apparently unnecessary claim timing and b) the believability of the role existing in the roleset given everything else we know (she claimed that cop when other investigative had been elim'd d1 and i think the other PR had a pseudo invest like a desperado or smth) line up with my perception of the current game state and her place in it.

the 3p!devil would make sense thematically as an arsonist but there's ~0% shot rask tried to fake claim a vig shot that wasn't his own and the rest of the apparent KP in the game doesn't align with an arsonist existing unless they ignited last night AND arctic... shot someone he was village reading

my worry is that maple is wolf KP and wisdom is a meh role/Goon particularly because how the self-resolving/attention drawing occurred and if w we look at another 2/3 deaths tomorrow. but in that world i feel like wisdom would be lolcatting to throw the lunch here and they seem content? maybe that's telling lol

maybe we flip it around and kill wisdom here and have jan jail/kill maple? idk

Eeeeeeh.

I really don't wanna go Wisdom now. I think that's probably my biggest takeaway rn.

[grr]

Is it bad I read this as Benneh being salty about town people claiming PR when wagons form on them? Lmao.

it's a hunch but an ok hunch to have ig.

anyways i might be a bit more pragmatic going forward. quite frankly 22p games are not my hometurf at all and my desire to know about everything whats going on is just failing me.

so ill just say: half dead villas called wisdom/ladd not pure. some dead villas had a specific SR on wisdom anyway (arctic comes to mind) ladd said wisdom probs wolf. I personally I also believe wisdom probably wolf.

also clearing CW etc. so

Vote: Wisdom

offchance this is wrong I personally feel we got pretty outplayed here (i think we kinda not doing so well anyway cuz we legit only got an LHF wolf and a wolf that literally outed so far) but most reasonable vote to me rn.

No Wisdom I dont have a vote history for d3 rn I didnt feel like they were helping anyone (posting relevant wagons seems more helpful?). It isnt that much work so maybe i'll just do it now anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Dolby

Sorry for the rand friendo.

I think Wisdom/Gemma/Sunbae/Maaaaaybe Maple (And me ofc) look good off the spew.

Also Dya but tbh that's just a given at this point lel.

Dolby/Knights/Monty are probably the ones I feel worse about most.

And now I sleep. My 1 job of spew reading is done. =P

[Gemma]

I know this is a read on how they read me but this direct counter-action to Benneh doing exactly what Gemma talked about re: Wolves treating me makes me feel just really good about the way they're reading the game.

i have bad news

[EnderWiggin]

i have bad news

Idc if you scumread me now you're in my town books.

Suffer through it.

[dyachei]

i have bad news

i think ben pushed ender a lot if they're partners. so i tend to think unaligned

i need a live player list

[dyachei]

V
grr
ender
gemma

v lean
sunbae
mont
insom
vanta

POE
Dolby
knights
wisdom

If i'm wrong it's in my v leans and probably insom having a good game or mont

[grr]

so here. Vote Histories:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

d1: (i missed all ladd votes d1 cause they didnt have the space after the colon just fyi, should be fixed)

Voter	Voted for	Post
Gemma	Raskol	#7
theknightsofneeee	dyachei	#16
sheepsaysmeep	theknightsofneeee	#63
didistetter	C0balt	#65
didistetter	sheepsaysmeep	#68
didistetter	C0balt	#80
Wisdom	Raskolnikov	#95
sheepsaysmeep	Wisdom	#142
grr	Newcomb	#197
Enderwiggin	Jan	#211
Enderwiggin	theknightsofneeee	#228
didistetter	nebjiamn	#248
Syn	sheepsaysmeep	#386
Raskolnikov	theknightsofneeee	#435
theknightsofneeee	Jan	#486
insomnia	dyachei	#620
Gemma	Vanta	#636
Newcomb	theknightsofneeee	#659
nebjiamn	enderwiggin	#668
didistetter	C0balt	#673
ladd	sheepsaysmeep	#686
ladd	gemma	#710
sheepsaysmeep	Gemma	#715
Wisdom	Gemma	#716
Vanta_Black	ColonelLubriderm	#725
Gemma	insomnia	#767
dyachei	enderwiggin	#792
Gemma	theknightsofneeee	#822
ColonelLubriderm	Wisdom	#824
didistetter	ladd	#828
Maple	Gemma	#858
Jan	Sunbae	#868
grr	Sunbae	#870
grr	Raskolnikov	#906
insomnia	Gemma	#1005
didistetter	Syn	#1047
Newcomb	Syn	#1053
ColonelLubriderm	Syn	#1066
dyachei	Syn	#1079
didistetter	theknightsofneeee	#1110
ColonelLubriderm	Raskolnikov	#1112
Jan	Raskolnikov	#1115
MontMorency	Raskolnikov	#1170
Gemma	Syn	#1173
dyachei	sheepsaysmeep	#1174
ladd	sheepsaysmeep	#1177
insomnia	Syn	#1186
theknightsofneeee	Syn	#1193
didistetter	Syn	#1195
Maple	Raskolnikov	#1196
Arctic	Syn	#1204
Jan	Gemma	#1206
Maple	Syn	#1207

d2:

Voter	Voted for	Post
didistetter	Maple	#1246
nebjiamn	Enderwiggin	#1272
theknightsofneeee	Jan	#1278
Wisdom	Vanta_Black	#1364
ladd	Maple	#1378
insomnia	nebjiamn	#1467
Gemma	nebjiamn	#1471
Wisdom	nebjiamn	#1473
EnderWiggin	Raskolnikov	#1488
Dolby	Maple	#1506
grr	Sunbae	#1514
didistetter	Dolby	#1522
ColonelLubriderm	Dolby	#1559
Wisdom	Gemma	#1581
didistetter	Wisdom	#1586
Raskolnikov	theknightsofneeee	#1645
grr	Unvote	#1653
didistetter	Maple	#1697
didistetter	EnderWiggin	#1742
Dolby	EnderWiggin	#1746
Gemma	Maple	#1817
Raskolnikov	Maple	#1857
nebjiamn	Raskolnikov	#1873
Maple	Dolby	#1892
didistetter	Unvote	#1900
ladd	nebjiamn	#1920
dyachei	ladd	#1929
ladd	Montmorency	#1932
insomnia	ladd	#1945
insomnia	Maple	#1964
nebjiamn	Maple	#1981
Dolby	Wisdom	#1991
Montmorency	ladd	#2003
dyachei	Raskolnikov	#2028
Dolby	Raskolnikov	#2032
didistetter	Raskolnikov	#2059
Vanta_Black	dyachei	#2063
Raskolnikov	dyachei	#2075
Wisdom	Raskolnikov	#2095
didistetter	Unvote	#2098
ColonelLubriderm	Wisdom	#2109
didistetter	Sleep	#2115
grr	Raskolnikov	#2121
nebjiamn	Raskolnikov	#2127
didistetter	Raskolnikov	#2133
ColonelLubriderm	Raskolnikov	#2141
ColonelLubriderm	Wisdom	#2143
Dolby	Wisdom	#2144
MontMorency	Wisdom	#2147
theknightsofneeee	ladd	#2164
MontMorency	ladd	#2176
Arctic	Raskolnikov	#2215

d3:

Voter	Voted for	Post
Gemma	Wisdom	#2236
nebjiamn	Maple	#2240
Montmorency	ladd	#2262
theknightsofneeee	Jan	#2292
Dolby	Maple	#2301
insomnia	Maple	#2303
dyachei	ladd	#2316
Gemma	Maple	#2317
Dolby	Wisdom	#2331
Gemma	Wisdom	#2333
Wisdom	Sunbae	#2417
Wisdom	grr	#2420
Wisdom	Unvote	#2423
EnderWiggin	Maple	#2463
Wisdom	Maple	#2517
ladd	Wisdom	#2581
Dolby	Maple	#2582
grr	ladd	#2585
grr	Wisdom	#2718
Enderwiggin	Wisdom	#2733
nebjiamn	Wisdom	#2822
dyachei	Wisdom	#2825
grr	ladd	#2854
Jan	Wisdom	#2855
Sunbae	nebjiamn	#2856
Dolby	Ladd	#2858
theknightsofneeee	Ladd	#2874
Vanta_Black	Maple	#2877
Vanta_Black	Unvote	#2887
Vanta_Black	Wisdom	#2894
dyachei	ladd	#2903
Vanta_Black	ladd	#2944
nebjiamn	Ladd	#2946

(if everyone can search if their own vote is on would probs easiest check to see if there are errors you can ping me with it if there is one if u want)

[grr]

Vote: Dolby

Sorry for the rand friendo.

I think Wisdom/Gemma/Sunbae/Maaaaaybe Maple (And me ofc) look good off the spew.

Also Dya but tbh that's just a given at this point lel.

Dolby/Knights/Monty are probably the ones I feel worse about most.

And now I sleep. My 1 job of spew reading is done. =P

Currently respecting ladds read on there but I would like people who TR dolby explain it to me, cuz i genuinely never got it except grasping a few people saying "posts good" @insomnia

dyachei

grr
Gemma - only consider if knights is not w and if the following lunches are wrong

dolby
ender

Vantablack

these are prob my reads in the people that i've actually read posts from. i didn't analyse carefully so im waiting for opinions on which one is too high and for what reasons

we're likely killing wisdom today. i wish we don't flashwagon yet again. frankly im kinda upset with the outcome of things

.

[Gemma]

villagers are
dya
insom
grr
dolby
maple

maple's there bc im willing to hold the read for jan

dolby voters should have more to say imo to justify a wagon on the slot

[grr]

V
grr
ender
gemma

v lean
sunbae
mont
insom
vanta

POE
Dolby
knights
wisdom

If i'm wrong it's in my v leans and probably insom having a good game or mont

I might be in a soft difference check with mont cuz of d1 wagons (otherwise Rask wagon pure or something). I just kind of liked his posts vibe wise. Dolby I personally agree with. knights i dont see, but maybe its just cuz his posts are making me laugh, i didnt give it much consideration. top tier i am fine with.

umm, maybe I will have more interesting thoughts later in the day it's just my GTH vibes (would but gemma over ender now cause ladd seemed to feel pretty strong about it but that's about it).

[Gemma]

i think ben pushed ender a lot if they're partners. so i tend to think unaligned

i need a live player list

its in op

[grr]

Me: cases ladd town, votes benneh
Thread: OVER IN NARNIA OVER THERE WHO KNOWS WHAT HES DOING

so let me ask you sunbae. why did you go for a meaningless 1 naked vote wagon on benneh when you have been town casing ladd, instead of you know actually helping ladd and voting the player that ladd was convinced was mafia.

because unironically some of your posts (like this one) read to me like u are wolfcasing yourself.

[Maple]

Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

[Maple]

villagers are
dya
insom
grr
dolby
maple

maple's there bc im willing to hold the read for jan

dolby voters should have more to say imo to justify a wagon on the slot

Im not gonna lie dolby's guilt is so self-evident to me that it's hard to put to words lmao

i recognize that this is a bad sign

[grr]

Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

Not to be that guy but who actually tells us that wolves had no method to stop the Jan JK kill?

[Maple]

jan and ben being the only two kills in the night make that possibility pretty nonsensical, given wolf!me just kills jan and we use our factional elsewhere

in that scenario, the medic heal would be fake and/or we just never stack w/ him on dya

[grr]

i agree on wisdom's w equity and the out of placeness of the claim in relation to everything else. idrg it but she did fake claim as a wolf in a recent 12/12er i hosted where she claimed some kinda cop (vanilla cop or somethin idr) on d2 as and survived / won the game off that silliness. if i draw a parallel from that game to this one the a) apparently unnecessary claim timing and b) the believability of the role existing in the roleset given everything else we know (she claimed that cop when other investigative had been elim'd d1 and i think the other PR had a pseudo invest like a desperado or smth) line up with my perception of the current game state and her place in it.

the 3p!devil would make sense thematically as an arsonist but there's ~0% shot rask tried to fake claim a vig shot that wasn't his own and the rest of the apparent KP in the game doesn't align with an arsonist existing unless they ignited last night AND arctic... shot someone he was village reading

my worry is that maple is wolf KP and wisdom is a meh role/Goon particularly because how the self-resolving/attention drawing occurred and if w we look at another 2/3 deaths tomorrow. but in that world i feel like wisdom would be lolcatting to throw the lunch here and they seem content? maybe that's telling lol

maybe we flip it around and kill wisdom here and have jan jail/kill maple? idk

Eeeeeeh.

I really don't wanna go Wisdom now. I think that's probably my biggest takeaway rn.

Is this your only reason cuz its probably gonna take a horse to drag me off wisdom. thing of note is that benneh was very well aware of wisdoms fakeclaim in the 12/12er on MU, so my question is why didnt he bring it up the day before already to shade her. Don't know how much of a powerwolf benneh is but that was my initial reaction to it and he didnt mention until I did. (and I'm also not sure I understand WHAT you are seeing in that post).

[dyachei]

Is this your only reason cuz its probably gonna take a horse to drag me off wisdom. thing of note is that benneh was very well aware of wisdoms fakeclaim in the 12/12er on MU, so my question is why didnt he bring it up the day before already to shade her. Don't know how much of a powerwolf benneh is but that was my initial reaction to it and he didnt mention until I did. (and I'm also not sure I understand WHAT you are seeing in that post).

Benneh probably mostly powerwolfed this game. He's been known to bus too but I think he powerwolfs a lot

[Dolby]

kinda just not feeling good about monty atm

[Maple]

@dyachei

why mont v? im pretty back and forth on the slot. the ladd stuff gives me the most concern at the moment. seems plausibly teamed with other slots in the poe

[grr]

jan and ben being the only two kills in the night make that possibility pretty nonsensical, given wolf!me just kills jan and we use our factional elsewhere

in that scenario, the medic heal would be fake and/or we just never stack w/ him on dya

That is assuming the wolves had 2 kills available in that night and the doc actually did save dyachei? Not sure why they wouldn't just have one.

[Gemma]

Vote: Knights

[Maple]

That is assuming the wolves had 2 kills available in that night and the doc actually did save dyachei? Not sure why they wouldn't just have one.

No, I *personally* had the ability to just kill Jan last night. In the world where I'm a wolf, that means we had at least 2 kp available.

[Dolby]

No, I *personally* had the ability to just kill Jan last night. In the world where I'm a wolf, that means we had at least 2 kp available.

you'd have been blocked in jail tho man? Think your one shot PGO wouldn't have been usable
@EnderWiggin I think to get to wisdom spewed from Benneh that doesn't cover it. I feel that the first thing with Benneh talking to me does look good from Wisdom but I was clearing Wisdom for bad reasons since I was still catching up with the thread at the time, and it would have potentially been bad long term to use that to clear wisdom when I don't think Wisdom was a major push at that exact point in time?

Straight up disagree with the post advocating voting out wisdom and exeing Maple. Thread was clearly moving towards a wisdom lead at that time and there's some hedgy language in that despite that leads me to think that he didn't want to actually go there

[Dolby]

ftr monty repeating "we must yeet wisdom so gemma clear is lock clear" all through his iso like he's practicing voodoo gives me the creeps

also really weird when he doesn't vote wisdom

[insomnia]

Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

we don't know if he believed you

could gotten rb'd for all we know

[Dolby]

we don't know if he believed you

could gotten rb'd for all we know

tbh I can fully believe that Jan didn't exe Maple. When Jan was saying he was gonna jail Maple my internal thought process at the time were basically "he isn't gonna exe him if he gets a card". Especially plausible given ladd flipped green

but I'm not gonna harp on it to hard unless maple becomes a wagon

[grr]

Bullet points, wisdom has:

* OMGUS pushed back against bop d1
* OMGUS pushed ladd, and also not actually engaged ladd critically with that. she asked him exactly 0 questions for his reasonings when he sussed her.
* pushed extremely widely townread player didistetter
* pushed extremely widely townread player grr

Sometimes villas have an offgame and have very out of field takes but this an extremely inaccurate gameview and also very plausible to be a way to reduce spew to a minimum (mostly sus people where it doesnt generate additional info for town when you flip wolf). Also dead villas all had her in the bottom of their reads. she was also a CW to ladd.

It's just where I'm at you don't have to agree. Cya later.