Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

I am bringing it up with the other judges:

If a player gets into a box the battle should be considered a loss for that player IF the enemy is able to surround them.

This would be the result in a real battle, because no commander would assault such a monstrosity, and if they could surround it, no army could escape.

The definitions that I am giving them are that "Surrounded" would mean that at least 4 main infantry units and at least 2 other units of any type are stationary and physically touching each other to form a "ring" of sorts that encircles the "boxed" enemy.

We'll see what the judges vote on.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius Claudius Marcellus

I am bringing it up with the other judges:

If a player gets into a box the battle should be considered a loss for that player IF the enemy is able to surround them.

This would be the result in a real battle, because no commander would assault such a monstrosity, and if they could surround it, no army could escape.

The definitions that I am giving them are that "Surrounded" would mean that at least 4 main infantry units and at least 2 other units of any type are stationary and physically touching each other to form a "ring" of sorts that encircles the "boxed" enemy.

We'll see what the judges vote on.

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I would argue in favour of a time limit before that.
A box still contains a reasonable amount of fighting power anyway, give the player a few mins to launch an attack from the box formation.

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You are kidding us right??? The EB phalanxes are near invincible. Please, someone help me out here. RTW phalanxes are ultra easy to get through, while the EB ones seem to employ some sort of magic to hold back just about anything excpet heavy cavalry.

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Tell that to the RTW vanilla boxes, which are pretty much invincible.
Even to heavy cav. RTW vanilla phalanx formations don't break up as easily is why.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius Claudius Marcellus

I am bringing it up with the other judges:

If a player gets into a box the battle should be considered a loss for that player IF the enemy is able to surround them.

This would be the result in a real battle, because no commander would assault such a monstrosity, and if they could surround it, no army could escape.

The definitions that I am giving them are that "Surrounded" would mean that at least 4 main infantry units and at least 2 other units of any type are stationary and physically touching each other to form a "ring" of sorts that encircles the "boxed" enemy.

We'll see what the judges vote on.

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I would have to agree with this because after a while the boxed in guys would either have to attack or die of starvation or suicide or something... I think that if you make a box you have to formulate an attack or you lose.

I think something like this happenedi n one of the Syrian Wars(Battle of Raphia) where the Seleucids formed a box. It worked alright until the Elephants inside the box panicked.

Potocello (Roman Republic) vs. IrishHitman (Kingdom of Makedonia)

http://www.mediafire.com/?jinlmugqzq5

Victory to IrishHitman.

A good battle, could have went either way.
Engaged the Roman line, the battle went to the flanks (as it usually does when playing with Mak), and I eventually destroyed the Roman centre, and used the remaining troops to rout the rest.

A rematch soon.

So what is it?
(Hellens, Draws, Romans)
3-2-0?

I think these are just test games so we can work out the kinks. But Rome has defiantly won more with Tolg so i don't know that to score is.

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Originally Posted by Potocello

I think these are just test games so we can work out the kinks. But Rome has defiantly won more with Tolg so i don't know that to score is.

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3-2-3 maybe?
When he played against me, it was one draw and one defeat for him.
(Thank you again Phalanx for saving my ass in the defeat of Tolg and Bure).

Anyway, the second match:
http://www.mediafire.com/?mat01xyoday

Potocello vs. IrishHitman
Same factions as the first.

Another victory for me, won in a similar way to the last one, except more emphasis on cavalry.
He attack the rear of my phalanx with infantry, my cavalry charged them, and routed them.

The third match:

Potocello (Kingdom of Makedonia) vs. IrishHitman (Roman Republic)

I was soundly beaten by Poto.
Raped would be a less polite but more accurate term.

Poto has the replay for that.

Me vs Irish this was our third game. He won twice as Makedonia, I lost twice as Rome. Third game i beat Irishhitman

Here's the replay file.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LDFUR4JD

He tried to flank me but i split up my forces and isolated his two flanks. I was able to kill his general early on and hammer and anvil one of his flanks to cause a mass rout. I then moved my forces to help out the other flank and another rout was caused.

Good games to Irishhitman.

I'm surprised not more Romans are buying Samnites or Ligurians to act as flank guards. You have those Massilians too. Ligurians come with more men and Massilians carry swords and spears. Also don't forget Camillian Triarii are better than Polybians. :-D

Have you guys also played with those Ligurian or Campanian cavalry?

What. Camillan troops superior to their successors? Blasphemy!

Skirmisher cavalry is a waste. Not enough men for a rush, not enough javelins to last.

Wow... a lot of activity online! Excellent!

Although I must express one concern... none of the actual "Roman" players have shown any interest in these battles. So far it's only been Greek generals taking up the Roman banner.

I'd like to see you guys involved a bit more. After all, the tournament's about to start soon and we all need practice, right?

I'd start participating in these "test games" as well, but I will neither reveal my army nor my brilliant strategy. :egypt:

Yah i see what you're saying Burebista. So far the only ones i've seen playing are you, me, Tolg, IrishHitman, and Phalanx300. You all need to start playing with us! :smash:

Maybe we'll have to edit the list of who will actually participate in the tournament.

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I'd start participating in these "test games" as well, but I will neither reveal my army nor my brilliant strategy.

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No need to, you could always just test out different armies and such :).

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Originally Posted by Potocello

No need to, you could always just test out different armies and such :).

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Yeah, I was just looking for an excuse to brag and use the Egypt smiley. How do you guys keep meeting up for games? Are you just stumbling across one another online, or is there a specific time you play?

Well, we usually play in the evening (GMT).

I think best way to meet one of us is to join the Europa Barbarorum Hamachi network (Pw: greecevsrome) if someone else is online you can use the messenger included in Hamachi to ask if he's up for a battle.

Edit: On another note, you should try playing Pontos, they have some interessting support units. (Check this link.)

Uhmpf, i might join the hamachi server one of these days (if i am allowed to of course).

But i need someone relatively novice to pratice with. I dont care loosing, but i dont want to get totaly smashed either.

So yeah, who else is new to this? :clown:

Well, I'm online now... join the Hamachi group.

That goes for everyone. Download Hamachi here and join the network. "Europa Barbarorum" password (as repeatedly stated by Tolg) "greecevsrome"

I want to get things in order and prepare for the tournament's start.

is it required to join Hamachi for this?
if so, could I get some instructions on how to do so?
I remember the old RTR gold tourneys would work with just the RTW Multiplayer system as opposed to Hamachi. Maybe EB is different, I've never played EB multiplayer before.

I'll be on tomorrow sometime after 7pm US Central Time hopefully we can get a game going.

Previously posted:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Tolg

Here you go:

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.


I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature

1. Make sure that you have a clean install of:
   • RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
   • EB 1.1
   • EB 1.2
   • The EB 1.2 Fixes
   
   (Installed in this order)
2. Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
3. Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
4. Click "Multiplayer"
5. Click "Online Battles"
6. If it asks you to enter your CD key, click "Change CD key" and enter the key of your copy of RTW
7. Afterwards click "Online battles" again.
8. When it asks you to enter your name do so (preferably the name you use on the forums so your opponent can recognize you)
9. You should now be in the Lobby and your screen should look somewhat like this:
   Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

   https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/...7-48-24-16.jpg
   In order to play an online battle, one player has to "host" a game and the other one has to "join" it.
10. a) If you're the one joining just check all the three servers (Chat Lobby, Competitive and Friendly) in the box at the bottom right for a yellow game name, if there are multiple ones check the host's name by placing your cursor on top of the game's entry in the list.
    b) If you're the one hosting, click the icon with the two screens. Your screen will look like this:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/...7-48-38-89.jpg
    . Enter a name for your game, select the max. number of players and the unit scale and then press "Host Custom Battle". (You don't need a password) Afterwards do what you would do if you were setting up a sp custom battle.
11. After both players have joined select your factions, press the arrow in the corner at the bottom right, set up your armies press the arrow again and FIGHT!
12. Don't forget to save the replay once your done!

II. Guide to play EB over the Internet using Hamachi

1. See step 1) and 2) of the previous guide.
2. Download Hamachi
3. Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
4. a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
   b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
5. Now it get's tricky:
6. Cut your main internet connection.
7. Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
8. Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
9. Reenable your Internet connection
10. return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
11. [B]Don't forget to save the replay once your done!

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And you don't need Hamachi, but it makes things a lot easier.

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Originally Posted by Potocello

I would have to agree with this because after a while the boxed in guys would either have to attack or die of starvation or suicide or something... I think that if you make a box you have to formulate an attack or you lose.

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I believe the box you can form in TW can´t be formed in real life because unlike TW you can´t have all the perimeter protected with pikes since you can´t put one unit inside of the other. For this reason and the others already pointed, i agree with Potocello. Btw, i´ve been seeing the battles and i must say they´re pretty nice and i didn´t think this tournament could be so fun

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Originally Posted by Lucio Domicio Aureliano

I believe the box you can form in TW can´t be formed in real life because unlike TW you can´t have all the perimeter protected with pikes since you can´t put one unit inside of the other. For this reason and the others already pointed, i agree with Potocello. Btw, i´ve been seeing the battles and i must say they´re pretty nice and i didn´t think this tournament could be so fun

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Ah, but in real life, you can form a circle.

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Originally Posted by IrishHitman

Ah, but in real life, you can form a circle.

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True. But imagine how hard would be to form a circle and mainten it´s consistency ( 10 sarissas for one scutum, for example). As far as i know the phalanks weren´t suppose to form a circle. I could be wrong but i don´t think the phalanks circle is a valid formation.

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Originally Posted by Lucio Domicio Aureliano

True. But imagine how hard would be to form a circle and mainten it´s consistency ( 10 sarissas for one scutum, for example). As far as i know the phalanks weren´t suppose to form a circle. I could be wrong but i don´t think the phalanks circle is a valid formation.

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It would just require the lines further back to fill the gaps.
With enough people, it is theoretically possible.

Practically, it would be too hard to form in battle.

I wouldn't mind joining but I'd only be able to play on Saturdays. I wouldn't mind doing some sort of glorious laggy 3 vs 3.

Someone wanna play tonight? Just for fun. :) I will join the hamachi network.

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Originally Posted by IrishHitman

It would just require the lines further back to fill the gaps.
With enough people, it is theoretically possible.

Practically, it would be too hard to form in battle.

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Perhaps you´re right but i still beleive that this circle would not be as strong as the normal phalanks line.
What do you think about the other reasons they posted? My opinion is that the box should not be a valid formation for this tournament or valid as long the boxed player lauchs an attack. Just form a box without proper counter-attack is not feasible. Any thoughts?
Thx

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Originally Posted by Lucio Domicio Aureliano

Perhaps you´re right but i still beleive that this circle would not be as strong as the normal phalanks line.
What do you think about the other reasons they posted? My opinion is that the box should not be a valid formation for this tournament or valid as long the boxed player lauchs an attack. Just form a box without proper counter-attack is not feasible. Any thoughts?
Thx

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I agree.

I only form them when I want to annoy someone :P

Well you certainly succeeded in that :P.

'Scuse me, gents, but when in the GMT do you mostly find it convenient to play? I'm not sure I'd be able to participate in the tournament proper (there's a chance; University activity seems to be cooling off... for now), but would be more than willing to play a few warm-ups as a sort of "test dummy" (or fluffer? :clown: ) in the event that other tourney entrants aren't available, or just to make up the numbers.

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Originally Posted by soup_alex

'Scuse me, gents, but when in the GMT do you mostly find it convenient to play? I'm not sure I'd be able to participate in the tournament proper (there's a chance; University activity seems to be cooling off... for now), but would be more than willing to play a few warm-ups as a sort of "test dummy" (or fluffer? :clown: ) in the event that other tourney entrants aren't available, or just to make up the numbers.

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Any time from four to one in the morning usually..
Sometimes later.

Downloading EB 1.1 for a clean install now. Soon I'll be ready for action! :duel:

Im ready to do a friendly match as the Romans right now on regular EB MP. Anyone ready to take up the sarissa?

:(, I can't find my TW:Eras manual with the key in it.

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Originally Posted by alexanderthegreater

Im ready to do a friendly match as the Romans right now on regular EB MP. Anyone ready to take up the sarissa?

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You're on, sir. If you're still available, that is. I'm online in the lobby already.

Ill be there, starting up right now.

Just finished my first MP game in EB- a hard fought victory

AlexandertheGreater (Romans) - Gabeed (Ptolemies) - Roman Victory

http://www.freewebs.com/files_rings/RomaVictor.rpy

rdy for a rematch now.

Sounds good!

Alright, I'm ready to play.

Who wants some?

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Originally Posted by IrishHitman

Alright, I'm ready to play.

Who wants some?

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I want some, sure.

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Originally Posted by Gabeed

I want some, sure.

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Jump on Hamachi

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This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.

I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature

1. Make sure that you have a clean install of:
* RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
* EB 1.1
* EB 1.2
* The EB 1.2 Fixes
(Installed in this order)
2. Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
3. Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
4. Click "Multiplayer"
5. Click "Online Battles"

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I dont understand step 3. I dont have a "multiplayer .exe". Where is it? The install is completely new.

I don't have it, currently. I guess I'll start downloading it . . .

Edit: Huh, that's weird. It won't install on my computer.

Where did you find it? :S

The first site I found after typing "hamachi" in google . . .looks like the real site . . .

Its the shortcut that says 'Play Multi Player' if you installed the trivial script.

whoops, sorry Lovejoy, i was replying to Irish, not you. Disregard everything I've said.

EDIT: nvm. everything is working now :)

Anyone want to play? Lovejoy i sent you a message on Hamachi but you haven't responded =]

I am answering now! :P

The thread is cluttering, should the essentials not actually be made a sticky like the Screenshot competition?

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Originally Posted by Macilrille

The thread is cluttering, should the essentials not actually be made a sticky like the Screenshot competition?

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Strongly Agree.
Yeah, a stickied thread with a synopsis, rule set and multiplayer guide in the thread starter would be smashing.

If anyone wants to get one and play, I'm up.

I will be free to play all day if someone is interested. Just played a game and everything works fine. Ill be on hamachi, send me a message if you wanna play ;)

A sticked tread would be great!!

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Originally Posted by Lovejoy

I will be free to play all day if someone is interested. Just played a game and everything works fine. Ill be on hamachi, send me a message if you wanna play ;)

A sticked tread would be great!!

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Antisocialmunkey and I are on at the moment, jump into the LAN room.

Heh sorry for disappearing like that earlier. My computer overheated. After that, I'm not sure what happened. I couldn't send chat messages over Hamachi. And couldn't really see anyone... I'll take a look at it later, I suspect my mate was downloading things with bittorrent. Things usually gets messy when someone do that.


(Any one have any idea why me and IrishHitman couldn't see each other, when antisocialmonk could see both? I found that rather strange. I had shotdown all firewalls and such)

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(Any one have any idea why me and IrishHitman couldn't see each other, when antisocialmonk could see both? I found that rather strange. I had shotdown all firewalls and such)

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Usual hamachi problems - i have had such on other games. I never really liked hamachi due to that + other slight minor problems. Anyway i will probably be online tomorrow or after tomorrow in order to get my first defeat.

IrishHitman (Roman Republic) vs. Antisocialmunkey (Greek Cities) vs. Potocello (Kingdom of Makedonia).
Victor: IrishHitman (Roman Republic)

http://www.mediafire.com/?jygdwvnzzti

A hilarious game.
There was a long period of nothing but cavalry manoeuvres.
Eventually, the two Greek armies attempted to attack me independently, but I moved my forces in front of one of them, causing the other to line up behind the first.

A series of cavalry charges on Antisocial's incomplete defence ring ended in failure, and eventually, Poto attacked Antisocial. I then took the initiative and attacked both as they were attacking each other.
Then it devolved into a slugging match basically, one that I was shocked to come out on top of.

Poto's cav almost caused a complete rout on several occasions...

Hahaha yah, when i routed those like 5 units by one of my last remaining Phlangites i thought i may win but you came back. Good game guys.

I should have backed up against the rock.

IrishHitman + Potocello (Kingdom of Macedonia) vs. Lovejoy + Antisocialmunkey (Roman Republic)
Fought at Thermopylae.

Victory to Kingdom of Macedonia.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mdymyzyviic

The game started off with the Romans approaching the Makedonian phalanx, and attempting unsuccessfully to get behind it. Antisocialmunkey had a large mercenary phalanx, but that got eliminated by Poto's phalanx due to the advantage of the hill.

Game degenerated into a slugging match with various attacks from practically all directions.
I formed a semicircle formation to prevent cavalry and infantry attacks, and defended myself until Poto had beaten antisocial, and we then both crushed Lovejoy.

It was elimnated due to something with the hill. I inflicted a total of about 3 casualties in the minute before my main lie disappeared.

Ouch antisocialmonkey!

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The game started off with the Romans approaching the Makedonian phalanx, and attempting unsuccessfully to get behind it. Antisocialmunkey had a large mercenary phalanx, but that got eliminated by Poto's phalanx due to the advantage of the hill.

Game degenerated into a slugging match with various attacks from practically all directions.
I formed a semicircle formation to prevent cavalry and infantry attacks, and defended myself until Poto had beaten antisocial, and we then both crushed Lovejoy.

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I was doing okey against you at the start I think. When Anti lost his army I just went suicide and just charge everything :P I knew I couldn't win against both of you. :shame: Thats why I go nuts at the end - as you see if you look at replay - I'm not that much of a bad commander! :P

This was the second game we played. It was me and Lovejoy (Makedonia) vs Antisocialmunkey and IrishHitman(Rome).

At first Irish was able to beat me on my left flank, concentrating all of his troops there. I was able to swing some of my phalanxes around to help out, but he was able to keep the pressure on. I then noticed that Lovejoy was having similar issues with his flanks so i sent my Companion Cavalry over to help him out. We were able to rout a good amount of Anti's forces which freed up some of Lovejoy's troops. Lovejoy then brought some troops over to help me and i started to do charges on the rear and flanks of Irish's men. We were able to rout his army as well.

Victory fell to Makedonia. Good fight guys, it was a close one.
replay: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FU85Q1KQ

Here's kind of a random battle between RvG:

http://files.filefront.com/4PAnyFact.../fileinfo.html

I was the KH, Poto was Saba, Love was the Aedui, and Irish was Macedonia. In short, elephants vs swordsmen is hilarious. Once again Irish's Companions won the day in a very close match.

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Victory fell to Makedonia. Good fight guys, it was a close one.
replay: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FU85Q1KQ

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That one was really cool. Antisocialmonk had me in his pocket. I was lucky and managed to beat his cav, but at that time his troops had surrounded me completly. If it wasn't for your heroic charge I would have lost in a minute. := Recommended replay. This one is cool.

Really I think this tournement is showing that a well supported phalanx trumps the Romans. Rome just can't effectively kill Companian Cavalry.

Well, I don't know... so far I've seen mostly Greek generals leading Roman armies against Greek armies lead by Greek generals.

In any case, the rules have been posted in the first message. Click here

Also, I would like another show of hands of people who would like to participate and the hours when they are usually available so I can make an updated list of contestants and post that on the start page as well.

The tournament will begin this coming weekend!
Polish your shield, sharpen your sword and make ready your spears! The war begins!

I'm available Saturday GMT-6 for the most part.

I'm a infantry general with KH/Romanoi. I can win an infantry fight but those Companions are hard to take down with the 4 cav limit. Atleast that's what I've been told: 4 Cav including elephants. However, I didn't see this on page 1.

Also, with the Romans - what about using older units (Camillian on Polybian) like Velites in Marian? There's also the issue of the Bruttians, Lucianians, Ligurians, and Campanians aren't even listed in it while Samnites are. I would think that the Italian Allies would be fair game for Rome.

could a 100 kb/ps average DSL be able to play in this tournament? i'm also playing with a nvdia 8400 and 4 gigs ram

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could a 100 kb/ps average DSL be able to play in this tournament? i'm also playing with a nvdia 8400 and 4 gigs ram

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i'm confident that you could play

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i'm confident that you could play

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if it is so, i am in :yes:

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if it is so, i am in :yes:

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plus we could always to a test game to test if you really think it may be an issue.

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plus we could always to a test game to test if you really think it may be an issue.

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i can only play with hamachi... no cd key :embarassed:

yes i would like to as i have never played online before (and also am a rookie with EB, only 2 weeks playing)

when could we test it out?

edit: i got LZ3's alexander mini mod pack... will i have to remove anything?

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Originally Posted by ezekiel2517

i can only play with hamachi... no cd key :embarassed:

yes i would like to as i have never played online before (and also am a rookie with EB, only 2 weeks playing)

when could we test it out?

edit: i got LZ3's alexander mini mod pack... will i have to remove anything?

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so far, it seems that all of us play with Hamachi so there shouldn't be an issue there. :2thumbsup:

as for the mod pack, you will have to have a completely clean version of RTW version 1.5 and a completely clean version of EB 1.2.

i could play tomorrow sometime around 4:00pm eastern time.

that is too early for me. I can at 8 pm central... 8:30 to be sure

so i gotta reinstall everything? that is lame. Maybe i can install it onto the RTR extra folder i got... dunno if it will be compatible

Could you chaps specify the time in referrence to GMT? Otherwise, I find it terribly confusing...

central is GMT -6

eastern is GMT -5. ezekiel i could play at the time you wanted to tomorrow