What bothers me is that TinCow was protected by two people, how do we know that they weren't just lucky townies?:shrug:
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What bothers me is that TinCow was protected by two people, how do we know that they weren't just lucky townies?:shrug:
Yes, I'm fishing for information. That the point!Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I'll walk you through it: if 5 players vig, and 4 are scum, and the 5 players reveal and vouch for each other, then they are guaranteed to be non-scum at this stage. If only four vouch, then there is a risk that the whole scum-team has gone in. Do you understand my point? With my tetrarchy, Arjos was likely killed by the same pair which killed Atheotes: that is, scum. So the four scum couldn't be our number.
Do you get it?
Trying to get mass-revealers lynched because they want more transparency is highly suspect behavior, Tincow. Additionally, it can not be forgotten that BSmith was apparently killed by a 3rd-party type.
I strongly recommend that Tincow's partner vouch for him. As it stands, Tincow + Riedquat+ Whiteyes might be the Mafia group.
That's all - your partner need only reveal, and the chain will be complete. What makes you so afeared of the request?
Yes, that's why I'd like them to reveal as well. Scum would have no incentive to go around protecting townies.Quote:
What bothers me is that TinCow was protected by two people, how do we know that they weren't just lucky townies?
:stare: The rules say there are 4 mafioso. There was a kill by two people on N2, and no townies are claiming it, unlike the other kills. That kill is almost certainly mafia, which means that there cannot possibly be 4 mafioso in my group. Plus, I'm not that stupid. Do you really think that if I was mafia I would participate in a vig action with all of my scum partners, plus add on a fifth person so they would know the names of the entire group?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Mmm, yes, I mentioned this?Quote:
There was a kill by two people on N2, and no townies are claiming it, unlike the other kills. That kill is almost certainly mafia,
That doesn't follow. What I'm saying is that it's possible that you as a scum team took credit for the Zack attack; if 5 were to vouch, or 4 with 1 dead even, then that possibility could be ruled out.Quote:
which means that there cannot possibly be 4 mafioso in my group.
Fictively tack on a 5th, is what I'm getting at. That's why we need everyone's confirmation.Quote:
plus add on a fifth person so they would know the names of the entire group?
Let me get this straight, you're claiming it's possible I'm taking responsibility for a kill I didn't do to save myself. A kill in which the write-up specifically says 5 people were involved. How stupid would I have to be to make a claim like that, when there were 5 people who could call me a liar? And so far we have people confirming what I've said, and no one disputing it. You really think I wasn't on that kill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
♫ I've got to be sure, when I walk out that door. ♪Quote:
Let me get this straight, you're claiming it's possible I'm taking responsibility for a kill I didn't do to save myself. A kill in which the write-up specifically says 5 people were involved. How stupid would I have to be to make a claim like that, when there were 5 people who could call me a liar? And so far we have people confirming what I've said, and no one disputing it. You really think I wasn't on that kill?
Yes, it technically is possible:
Doesn't want to reveal his partner, because White eyes is his partner and BSmith was town - Ried made a slip.
Doesn't want to reveal partner because there is none to reveal; Ried, Bsmith, Tincow, and Whiteyes were the starting scum.
Technically. I have some faith in you, however, and doubt that you would panic into this kind of trap. Riedquat, on the other hand... :sneaky:
There isn't really a reason not to reveal though, as it let's the viggers know whom to avoid. With your partner and your protectors, we could have 11/22 effectively cleared, with Pizza not far behind. You have not provided even a single reason for your intransigence.
You can't think of a single reason not to publicly name players who are active and vigging? You don't think the mafia might want to get rid of those people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
You can't think of a single reason why it might be better on that very count to have 11 of 22 rather than only 8 of 22 confirmed as town, for purposes of both the lynch and night actions?Quote:
You can't think of a single reason not to publicly name players who are active and vigging? You don't think the mafia might want to get rid of those people?
Nope, since you can't even 'confirm' any of us as townies. The write-up shows two group kills, a duo kill, and what looks like a solo kill. At best, we're still missing one mafioso, likely two. Those extras could be hiding in the vig groups and just participating with us, so even knowing our names means nothing. Someone who's putting this much effort into lynching me with 'logic' should be aware of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Two, actually. One group-kill failed, as you well know.Quote:
and what looks like a solo kill.
I'm trying to avoid your lynch...Quote:
Someone who's putting this much effort into lynching me with 'logic' should be aware of this.
Yes, the Mafia may indeed have infiltrated a full pair (the second) into one of our group-conglomerates. On the other hand, if all of these "cleared" have N1 alibis, and their presence is confirmed by the numbers in the writeups...
Why would half the Mafia team waste time on an extended townie cooperation scheme, when, by being placed into their own discrete pairs from the beginning, could have quietly gone about their own Mafia thing? Or do you suggest that one of the pairs is specifically geared toward an infiltration role?
At the very least, these named are in the 90%+ range. You must admit this.
Just give it up, I'm not giving you the last name. You will not convince me otherwise. If you want to lynch me for that, then just get it over with. This conversation has long passed it usefulness and it's giving everyone but you and I a free ride through this day phase.
Hmm, both interesting arguments.
I have to agree with TinCow a bit more though, Monty. Just because all of the people who were in vig groups claim publicly doesn't make them town.
Vote: Abstain, because that's all I really have time for right now.
Wrong. If we know there are four mafia (we do) and we know all four of them were in last night's write-up (we don't, only three are clearly present), then we know everyone else in the write-up is innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddhafish
However, that doesn't meant it's necessarily a good idea to reveal them publicly. Privately and to a trustable source would be better.
I hope your partner and protectors do the right thing, in the end.
Vote: Autolycus
Edse, a tally? We should try to at least avoid lynching one of the 8...
There's more to it than that. Go through the posts again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddhafish
Three? There were two: Arjos' killers. Presumably the same that killed Atheotes yesterday. The other two may be dead or performing other actions (in fact, they may have abilities beyond killing; with such large teams, it is not uncommon - it is even likely. They may even be restricted to one kill per night...).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Vote: Autolycus
Huh? I'm panicking? You had seen me panicking in the past Monty... can't see why do you think I'm panicking now, I'm nobody this time around :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
tincow 4 (andres chaotix doublea ishmael)
WE:D 1 (edse)
jolt 2 (gh jarema)
lazy maccrow (1 makrell)
edse 1 (WE)
jarema 1 (visorslash)
monty 1 (tincow)
autolycus 1 (monty)
And a couple absteining, feel free to recheck
Montmorency, I think that participating in attack groups last night does not clear anyone.
Scum may sent orders together with other players. We do not know how many scum is out there. I am afraid it would be too easy if we could take innocence of our partner for granted
oops I missed that there are only 4 mafioso.
well...
Vote:Jolt
I think that Tincow is making a lot of sense to me with this game revealing the groups would not work as Tincow said his partner did not give the order.Yet the kill went through with no issue.There is nothing in the write up that I can see to indicate that someone did not send in orders.
Vote: GH
Absolutely no reason. I am placing a vote to indicate my activity and general disinterest in every case made so far. Too lazy to work harder.
I agree. In the write-up it says that TinCow was some doddery old scholar - albeit apparently a vengeful vigilante one. Something quite zesty and zealous about Monty's interrogation.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
vote: Montmorency
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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
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Originally Posted by Lazy McCrow
Are you just taking the piss? I addressed these points!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarema
As for McCrow, well, that's the worst thing I've seen all game. You're (a), taking the character's personal appearance in the writeups as definitive proof of anything, and (b), zesty - really?
It hasn't escaped my notice that you three are not among the Eight...
Retrack through my posts, if the welfare of the town is really in your best interests.
bleh
Vote: abstain
tl; dr :verycool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Well from what I read, there were two or three (it's being disputed) mafioso in the write-up, along with some vig groups. The game says there are four mafioso.
2 (or 3) = 4? I don't think that math adds up. Ergo, there could have been a mafioso in a vig group. Maybe two. Maybe there's a mafioso pair sneaking into a town vig group. Maybe there is a mafioso partnered with a townie, all used to establish credibility. I've seen that strategy used before, and I've used it before. People being in vig groups only proves that they were active.
That's where I disagree with you, Monty.
Round over, got some tallying to do.
Here's the breakdown again.Quote:
2 (or 3) = 4? I don't think that math adds up. Ergo, there could have been a mafioso in a vig group. Maybe two. Maybe there's a mafioso pair sneaking into a town vig group. Maybe there is a mafioso partnered with a townie, all used to establish credibility. I've seen that strategy used before, and I've used it before. People being in vig groups only proves that they were active.
If the Mafia are in their own groups - and we know that this is true about at least one pair, the one that killed Atheotes and Arjos - then why would one pair waste time getting in with townies? There's not much to gain, unless you assert that this hypothetical group is geared toward infiltration. Infiltration only makes sense if you have no abilities and only one kill is allotted for the Mafia per night, or if your ability is geared toward infiltration. And why assume such a thing? Why not rather assume that the Mafia would be performing their own night actions according to their own special abilities? Furthermore, why would they, if cooperating with town, do so two nights in a row?
Again: Again, we know that one of our pairs is full-mafia. it has killed twice so far. Khaan's wording:This makes it basically certain that the other two scum are in a pair as well. I believe I have demonstrated clearly that this pair would probably be in a supporting role for now, or has been broken apart through the death of one scum. A supporting pair would only work with townies for two nights in a row if the two scum in it have no abilities or abilities geared toward infiltration.Quote:
The mafia may be infiltrated into these starting groups, or may be in their own groups (plural).
The most crucial thing you should keep in mind about these cleared is that they are not absolutely cleared; they are instead in the 90+% range, or "almost-as-good-as-it-will-get". The lynch for tomorrow and the day after tomorrow must be decided against a player outside this group of 8. What I have put forth should be good for at least that much.
By the way, Tincow is being lynched in 2 minutes. Good job, guys.
Your logic is flawed. It's far more likely that one starting pair consists of two mafia, and that two other starting pairs consist of one mafia and one townie each.
The host's wording seems unambiguous.Quote:
It's far more likely that one starting pair consists of two mafia, and that two other starting pairs consist of one mafia and one townie each.
Without needing any encouragement, my retinue descended into another debate. A fight soon broke out between two small factions, one led against TinCow, the other being TinCow and his supporters. He was charged with slaying upstanding members of the royal guard, which he did not deny. However he implied that their demise was necessary and good, as they were the ones at fault. It didn't take long for the fight to escalate into a fist fight. A few tried to pull the parties apart, but sadly, more seemed incited and jumped into the fray. By the time I intervened with the guard, it seemed that Kagemusha had unfortunately received a hopefully inadvertent knife to his left eye, embedding itself quite deep into his skull. What a pity. Alas, not that there's much to do about it now. I decided to wrap this up now before we had any further accidents.
"Very well, my uh, stalwart supporters! What have we discovered? Who is to receive divine punishment?"
It seemed the aggressor party against TinCow had won out support, and he was shoved in front of me. He didn't seem to resist by this point.
"TinCow, for the crime of homicide against your royal comrades, I hereby sentence you to death," I proclaimed in my "official" voice. I drew my blade, and finally executed a perfect slice across a neck, sending TinCow's head tumbling down to the floor. I did not show it, but I secretly puffed with pride at my first truly successful execution. Surely, I was well on my way now!
"Now, remember!" I turned to the crowd. "Our first priority is to find an exit, not kill each other! We can do that when we get back to the palace!"
Tally:
TinCow 4 (Andres, Chaotix, Double A, Ishmael)
Jolt 3 (Jarema, GH, Captain Blackadder)
Montmorency 2 (Lazy McCrow, TinCow)
White eyes 1 (Edse)
Edse 1 (White Eyes)
Lazy McCrow 1 (Makrell)
Ishmael 1 (Lazy McCrow)
Jarema 1 (Visorslash)
Autolycus 1 (Montmorency)
GH 1 (ATPG)
Abstain (Buddhafish, Riedquat)
It is now Night 3! You have 24 hours!
Alive:
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Double A
Edse
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
Jarema
Jolt
Lazy McCrow
Makkrel
Montmorency
Riedquat
Visorslash
White Eyes
Xenoneb
Lynched:
NinjaCow (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
TinCow (D3)
Killed:
Atheotes (N1)
JoanK (N1)
Arjos (N2)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N2)
Zack (N2)
Attacked:
Ishmael (N1)
Tincow (N2)
Wrath of Khaan:
Kagemusha (D3)
Yes, very unambiguous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
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The mafia may be infiltrated into these starting groups, or may be in their own groups (plural).
"Or"
I suggest you start looking elsewhere for scum other than by trying to clear or incriminate people simply on the basis of participation in basic townie night actions. The rules are such that you cannot possibly do more than speculate about what the setup is or is not. My personal opinion is that both scenarios are likely true, and that there's a starting duo of mafia with the other two as individuals with townie partners. Such a setup is a bit more devious and of the kind that I would expect from 'khaan.
Also, kill/lynch Monty.
Yes, as in those are the two possibilities for each individual mafia member. Don't be so picky/literal about semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
"The" Mafia, not "each mafioso. Why do you two believe that the host would say something unambiguous in the rules and contravene it without any notice?
I will accept any Mafia kill of me with open arms. I am not protected. Viggers would do best to look elsewhere.
You know he did not mean an either/or situation, and you know he was being ambiguous. Stop being so literal about the wording and grammatical structuring of the statement, unless you're going to argue that the following excerpt from the rules:
means that unless you "unvote:Askthepizzaguy", your unvote is not counted.Quote:
You must unvote:Askthepizzaguy in order to recant the previous vote.
I see no reason why they should be approached in the same way. The setup of a game is a very particular thing. The rules of voting in the Game of Mafia are generalizable, and far less strict. They are loose, informal, and stylistically variable.
If a host, in the setup paragraph, presents a THIS or THAT clause, I'm going to take his word for it.
Congratulations, you have exceeded even my levels of pedantry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I think everyone in that vig on Zack is dead, it's just a matter of time. I personally blame Monty and everyone who attacked TinCow.:wall:
I don't think this game will last for 7 more nights...
Let this be a lesson to you all! :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
I wonder why Kage was wogged and Jolt was not. Maybe, just maybe, Jolt was active at night?
Any active and alive pair interested in working with me and Makrell? Contact us as fast as possible.
Because your stubborn-as-a-mule attitude thinks all four of them must have been in that group?:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
And Pizzaguy used to complain at how stubborn I was.:no:
"was"?Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
I still feel like there's going to be an inevitable White_eyes vote for me.
I'm deliberately not killing you because of the sweet anticipation.
In some languages, "mule" is pronounced like 'the donkey's hole'.
Anyway, your concern is unwarranted.
Well, the night is over. This... might take a bit longer than usual.
We're all going to die! Attachment 7462
It was time for action. Time to prove myself! I held my trusty morningstar in my hands, gazing upon its lustrous sheen. I can’t believe I hadn’t done this yet! Just having the weapon in my hands, it felt like nothing I’d experienced. I had power! This is amazing! I feel incredible! Yes! Yes! Yes! I can win! I’m the greatest! I. CAN. DO. THIS! I turned the corner of the hallway to find my prey, Montmorency, accompanied by two fellows, with a fourth walking mechanically at the end of the hall. They were no match for me! Raising my weapon high, I screamed with the fury of my transcendence as I rushed my target. The two men near me split apart and scattered in my terrible wake. Alarm overtook Montmorency’s face as he withdrew a sword from its sheath. I closed in and swung the mace overhand with force that would shatter the palace walls… and was stunned as Montmorency deftly stepped to the side and sliced my right hand, causing me to drop my morningstar. Montmorency held his blade in a duelist’s pose, the point just inches from my neck. I swore. This was impossible! Had I… been defeated?
“This is impossible!” I screamed in a tone a few pitches higher than I’d intended, as I ran back down the hall, the two fellows snickering at me as I fled for my life.
There he was. Another blasphemer. I withdrew my knife. Chaotix was sitting in the middle of the great forum, on the dais itself, reserved for the priests themselves! He was cross legged, with his eyes closed. I stepped quietly to the dais and pulled up short. I hesitated. Chaotix was still apparently unaware of my presence. Was it proper to step onto it even if to remove someone else? I looked at the knife in my hand. Blast its curvature, this wouldn’t even be proper for throwing.
“Forgive me,” I whispered in prayer.
“I do,” Chaotix spoke back, the smallest of smiles on his face. My eyes went wide. He dared to pretend to be a god! In a rage, I leaped upon the dais, and ran the knife into his throat, and began to haul his flailing body off the dais. I tossed it upon the ground and proceeded to mutilate it beyond recognition. Nobody would recognize this body for a burial, as he deserved for his crimes.
“It’s good to be out doing something,” I said to Hashel. “Hopefully we can head off any more bloodshed.” The emperor had just dismissed us, and we already had a plan together; even if some didn’t want it, we were going to help save lives, rather than cause further mayhem. Hashel didn’t answer me, but kept walking. “Hashel?” I asked. He was usually quite talkative, so his silence was odd. He stopped, and slowly turned his head to me. I gasped.
His eyes had become a violent shade of deep red, and blood was seeping down his face from a wound that stretched across it. He opened his mouth to say something, and a swarm of bees came spewing forth. They swarmed around me, and in a panic, I took flight down the hallway away from the monster that Hashel had become. Still, the swarm followed me, until I found I had taken a wrong turn, and ran into a dead end. I cowered and sat down, putting my head into my knees, trying to pretend the swarm wasn’t there. Naturally, the bees instead descended upon me, landing all over me, into my hair, across my arms and legs. Yet, they did not sting. They walked across me like a second, barbed skin, but no harm came to me.
Of course… I lifted my head, and more of the insects descended upon my face. It was my fear that was disabling me. It was not the insects, nothing else. Without warning, their buzzing grew louder, and they flew from me, and reformed their swarm in front of me. They moved out, slowly, as though inviting me to follow. I followed, renewed in my confidence. It was as though I was reborn! What a glorious feeling! I followed the swarm back to the camp, which currently was deserted. It hovered over where my belongings lay.
“Yes, yes…” I whispered. “It’s so logical, how did I never see it!” I rummaged through my belongings and found my treasured bear pelt, a trophy from a hunt with the emperor himself. I threw it across my shoulders, the maw of the slain beast resting upon my head. I grabbed my knife. The hunt, the glorious hunt was renewed! I was suddenly aware of how silent it was. The swarm, my guide, had vanished. It was no trouble. They had shown me the path, shown me how to overcome my fear. I took off at a sprint down the nearest hallway, reveling in the exuberance of fearlessness. I turned a corner and ran straight into Riedquat, who was limping along. We tumbled to the ground in a heap. Riedquat immediately began to scramble away from me. Was this… fear? I must show him to overcome it! As the swarm did for me! I scrambled to my feet as well, and lunged at him, bringing my knife to bear. It slashed his forearm as I tumbled into him again.
How bizarre. He didn’t seem to come to the revelation! Instead, he kept screaming like he was in pain! It hadn’t been enough, clearly. I brought my knife into his gut and twisted it. Still he screamed! I brought it down into his chest. His neck. I gashed his face. Finally. Silence. His face was quite still, beautifully decorated with crimson. He finally understood the absence of fear. I picked myself up. My bear pelt had fallen off during the scrum. Well, at least it hadn’t gotten blood on it. I threw it around my shoulders once more and stalked off to see if I couldn’t find anyone else to teach the glory of fearlessness…
I found myself in an old library. It was quite magnificent. Countless texts lining the walls, in remarkable condition. I was hoping I could find some insight into what that large, vacant forum was used for. I don’t know why it was bugging me so much. Perhaps it was just curiosity. Either way, I unfolded a well preserved scroll. I began to read from the top, but the words were… fuzzy. My eyesight was beginning to blur, until finally, a single word stood out.
Kill.
Of course! How could I have missed it! The forum wasn’t important. It was completely irrelevant. All that mattered was to feel the rush, the adrenaline. To feel the joy that it was to…
Kill.
I threw the scroll the ground. Yes, he was nearby. I could practically feel his pulse beating with my own. I darted out the library as fast as I could, withdrawing my new sword. I wheeled around, and found Makrell, relaxing by a large fountain. Three armed men with swords stood nearby. Security? That didn’t matter. They would not be able to stop it…
Kill.
I grinned at the three, who stepped forth, swords drawn. I sprinted straight at them, mine drawn as well. The first sliced high, but I ducked underneath. A second struck low, but I tumbled over it, avoiding it as well. The third was simply shocked that I’d maneuvered my way past so easily. Makrell stood before me in amazement. Nothing could halt it now…
Kill.
I sprinted at Makrell and lanced my sword straight into his chest as I ran past, the point crunching through a rib and into vital organs. I let the blade go and continued my sprint past, finally wheeling around to watch as Makrell choked and died on the metal in his midsection, bleeding out on the floor. The three guards recovered their composure and began to chase, but they would never catch me. I was on a high of adrenaline, reveling the thrill, the wonderment, of what it was to…
Kill.
This place would never cease to amaze me. I get the feeling we could explore it for decades and still find new surprises. I had discovered a strange cavern that ran out of the usual marble pathways. The marble ended and became gentle dirt. There was a large hole in the cavern, but it was incredibly high up. Light peaked through and seemed to angle in impossible ways, lighting the whole cavern. In the middle, a stream ran through from the wall and traversed the entire length before going underground, causing a beautiful selection of flora to have flourished in the middle. I was examining a gorgeous rose when I heard a hissing from behind me. I turned on a heel, and found a man at the entrance, armed with a pair of curved daggers. He wasted no time, sprinting at me. I startled backwards, and lost my balance as my foot stepped on the edge of the stream. I tumbled backwards as he tackled me, the two of us tumbling into the stream. It wasn’t deep, but my attacker was on top, and brought his knives to bear, slashing into my chest. The water was ice cold on my wounds, to the point it felt like agonizing fire. I felt the weight lift off me as my attacker dragged himself back to land. I straggled myself to the edge, gasping both for the lack of air and the agony in my chest. He stood, dripping, rage in his face.
“Edse, in the name of the true divine,” he paused for a moment, catching his own breath. “Die!” He brought the knives down onto my shoulder and neck, and the world went dark…
“Are you sure about this?” Heshin asked me. “You’re certain about this?”
“Of course, my dear Heshin,” I responded. “I do not act without great certainty. We were quite successful last time, were we not?” Heshin nodded. We were looking to reach the old library, on a hunch I had. Sure enough, when we arrived, we found White Eyes pouring over an old scroll. He seemed so engrossed in his work that he did not notice us arrive. I unsheathed my sword, giving off an illustrious ringing noise as it was withdrawn from its holding. White Eyes finally looked up at us in surprise.
“Can I help you, gentlemen?” He asked.
“Yes, you can, White Eyes,” I commanded. “You may sit still, and submit to righteous judgment,” I said, pointing my sword at him. His eyes widened.
“But, my good sirs, I have done nothing wrong! I have been at my work here, trying to discover the mysteries of this incredible place, nothing more!” Heshin looked at me, somewhat questioningly, but he still withdrew his own sword.
“I believe that you are lying. Now, do you accept your judgment, or must we force it upon you?”
White Eyes didn’t respond, instead starting to walk backwards. He tripped over a manuscript on the ground and fell on his back. I stepped forward up to the panicked man. “In his name, I condemn you, White Eyes, for the crime of slaughter!” White Eyes closed his eyes as I ran him through with my blade, following it with a decisive slice upon his neck, rending his head to the floor. Heshin sheathed his sword, clearly looking troubled.
“Do not worry, dear Heshin,” I said, putting a hand on his shoulder. “We fight with just cause. The embrace of the divine will not let us err.”
May the gods help us all... I arrived back and even more members of the retinue had seemingly vanished. Our numbers were dwindling fast. There were many who confirmed that we did indeed have assassins in our midst that were the cause of it, and not just people getting lost in the labyrinth. With a sigh, I silently raised my hand to indicate another round of searching for the assassin. I sat down dejectedly next to the scribe and let the chaos ensue.
IT IS NOW DAY 4. WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC REALIGNMENT FOR PARTNERS.
If you wish a new partner, you may submit a vote for a new one in thread in the format of Partner: Sigurd Fafnesbane. If that person accepts, you will become partners. If you do not make any vote of submission or accept a new offer, you will continue to be with whoever you will have no change from your current partnership arrangement. If a partner leaves you and you do not accept or vote to have a new one, you will have no partner. As a reminder, successful group actions at night will require four people in total, and at least one complete partnership working in concert to achieve 100% success.
THIS IS IN ADDITION TO VOTING FOR A LYNCH.
Last note, Jolt will suffer Wrath of Khaan if he does not lodge a vote today.
You have 24 hours.
Alive:
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
Choxorn
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
Jarema
Jolt
Lazy McCrow
Montmorency
Visorslash
Xenoneb
Lynched:
NinjaCow (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
TinCow (D3)
Killed:
Atheotes (N1)
JoanK (N1)
Arjos (N2)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N2)
Zack (N2)
Chaotix (N3)
Edse (N3)
Makrell (N3)
Riedquat (N3)
White Eyes (N3)
Attacked:
Ishmael (N1)
Tincow (N2)
Wrath of Khaan:
Kagemusha (D3)
Feedback is out.
I need a partner. People with access to medicine preferred.
Vote: Xenoneb
Really, we have basically like a 50% chance of taking down a killer today.
Double A failed to show for the protection on Makrell.
He sent out the confirmation 18 minutes after deadline. That is disgusting. I'm seriously thinking I should scrap my reveal-scheme and just push for his lynch.
Vote: Visorslash
And yes, all the revealers died - except our three. Wonderful.
Why the heck did 3rd-party go in for the kill against these guys? What was the point?
Also, the mixed setup idea is demolished - there were two Mafia kills today. Two pair kills shuts down the notion.
There are two Mafia pairs operational.
General I also need a partner are you willing to? Unfortunately no knowledge of medicine on this front.
Wrong. There is one pair and one solo kill that correspond to the mafia (getting mad at defilers, etc.). This is the same as last night, so I think we can assume that one of the mafia died during Day or Night 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
There's obviously also a serial killer (kill in red).
The other kills last night seem to be another serial killer or possibly cultist (the bees) and a pro-town vigilante.
I'll partner up with you if nobody with knowledge answers me within a certain amount of time. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
Encourage others to reveal, of course... :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'm not, dear Riedquat. Though if course should the killers wish to submit to the lynch, that would give us hope of victory...
I didn't read far enough. The Hashel kill seems to be solo. The second - Hashel - disappears early on.Quote:
Wrong. There is one pair and one solo kill that correspond to the mafia (getting mad at defilers, etc.). This is the same as last night, so I think we can assume that one of the mafia died during Day or Night 1.
There's obviously also a serial killer (kill in red).
The other kills last night seem to be another serial killer or possibly cultist (the bees) and a pro-town vigilante.
Anyway, very well; but there is only one Mafia kill: Whiteeyes'.
Edse or Chaotix might be a vig-kill, but my attacker, Ried's killer, Makrell's killer, and all that are clearly third-party.
In a game with so many killings, would it make sense to allow one of a scum-pair to kill solo?
Xenon is a lurker, but Visorslash is definitely scum. Please vote him - this hunch is gold, I swear it.
Damn. All I can say is I'm incredibly sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Really now? Go on. 90% sure are you?Quote:
Xenon is a lurker, but Visorslash is definitely scum. Please vote him - this hunch is gold, I swear it.
And look at that, the ones who died were 100% innocent. Just as you are 100% guilty.Quote:
Really now? Go on. 90% sure are you?
There's an elephant that must be acknowledged - the third parties and scum are working together.
There's no other explanation for all 5 of them dying on one night, with no redundant attacks.
This night was coordinated. There's no other explanation.
And what does this have to do with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
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Also, I am looking for a new partner.
The 'Kill' third party (well. sounds like Serial Killer to me) is probably not going to help someone they need dead, so that is unlikely. (Unless of course their goal is that everyone has to be without a pair like Jarremas game?). The bees/bear helmet fear guy, I wouldn't have a clue what side he was on. The blasphemer people sound like mafia to me.
:daisy:
And what have you got to say for yourself, besides that? This is LYLO. There's simply no way you aren't scum. You're too aloof not to be.
There are 15 players. 14 if you don't count Jolt. Let's assume 4 kills and 4 scumbags? then we have at worst case, if we lynch a townie today, 5:4 by the next day phase. That would be lylo. If the killers don't kill each other accidentally at least once, I would be surprised (of course we can't rely on that happening). Today is not lylo, just damned important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Aloof? The Loot took up a bit of my mafia time, and as that was in a lylo/near lylo situation, I gave that priority. Right now I have had about 4 hours sleep and am quite tired, of course I'm going to be out of it.
If I was going to lynch someone today, it would be Askthepizzaguy or Andres.
There are up to 7 3rd-party and scum at the moment, and at least 5 - assuming the best. Not all the killers are Mafia. And as I pointed out, they all seem to be cooperating. They will not accidentally kill each other from now on...Quote:
If the killers don't kill each other accidentally at least once, I would be surprised (of course we can't rely on that happening). Today is not lylo, just damned important.
If we want town, and not another party, to win, then this must be the LYLO.
You've been aloof the whole while. Andres has been aloof as well, and could also be a killer, but...
Alright, I'll go with your assumptions on the killers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I haven't been aloof the whole time, (of course this is an opinion based thing, so whatever). I'm not interested in debating my aloof levels. If you think I'm scum, give me a better reason then aloof with no examples.
Now, we have 14 people to lynch. Who are your suspects in that list?
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
Choxorn
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
Jarema
Jolt
Lazy McCrow
Montmorency
Visorslash
Xenoneb
For reference (discount Jolt possibly). I'm not including myself, as I know I'm not scum, so 13 people. From that, I can cut down who I think is town. Monty, could either be the 'kill' third party, or town. Andres is not being as active as his townie self, so I'm somewhat suspicious of that, especially at this stage. If he has been active behind the scenes, now is time to bring it to light. Askthepizzaguy is based of asking TinCow to kill him, and some of his later posts (voting GH for no reason, at that stage), autolycus always becomes a suspect at this stage, if he's alive, and he isn't particularly active, so he is also on the list. Buddhafish, is also low on participation, but I can chalk that up to him hosting his large game at CFC, however, the level of activity IS similar to Zack Mafia IV, and if I don't hear anything convincing from him, he will be one of my top suspects. Captain Blackadder, very little to say on that side. Choxorn, I'm not really getting a scum vibe from. AA, on the fence. GH, sidling towards nontown aligned, just from posts. Ishamel, same as GH. Jarema, seems to be acting like town (unlike the loot anyway). Jolt, well Jolt. Lazy I haven't played with in a while, on the fence. Monty, probably town. Visor, town. Xeno, possible scum.
List of suspects (the latest list):
Andres, auto, Buddha, Ishamel, GH, Xeno, Lazy
At this stage anyway. Thoughts on that Monty/whoever else?
Assuming the non-town are cooperating, they shouldn't have to vote each other at this point. I think we can rule one of GH and Xenon out based on this.
CB looking for a partner is slightly town.
Unvote; Vote: Andres
He's disappeared all of a sudden. We know he's around, though.
Partner: Askthepizzaguy
My issue with Xenoneb is that he has precisely three posts, none of which have come since the game actually started, and yet he's not even on khaan's WoG radar. Clearly, there's something going on behind the scenes with him.
Khaan's rules are:Or four missed total. There will not be any further exception to this. It wouldn't be fair to us as players. No seasoned host would betray us thus.Quote:
WOKs(Wrath of Khaan) will occur if a person does not vote 3 rounds in a row
Jolt and Xenon will be WoKed today. If they really are not, well, that will be the prompt for lynches and vigs.
Just spoke with khaan, he's about to come in and say leaving Xeno off the WoK list was an oversight.
Unvote: Xenoneb
My apologies, simply error on my part missing xenoneb. He will suffer wrath of khaan as well as Jolt if he does not vote.
Okay, let's look at the list.
Andres hasn't posted anywhere since the 19th. I think RL's getting the better of him right now.Quote:
Andres, auto, Buddha, Ishamel, GH, Xeno, Lazy
autolycus hasn't posted in this thread since his initial sign-up, he's another one you might have to add to the WoK list @issaikhaan :tongue:
Buddha, I'll defer to you guys on, we'll leave him be with his game for now.
I'm not including myself obviously, and Xeno's most likely WoGbait, so we're leaving him off too.
This takes us down to Ishmael and LazyMcCrow.
Let's take a look at Ishmael's most recent post:
As today's writeup showed, there are (most likely) two mafia groups, but there were also two separate groups of two attackers in the N1 writeup as well:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
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Originally Posted by N1
Frankly, this is enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by N1
Vote: Ishmael
I was blocked again last night, this time by someone who put me to sleep.
No bees.
You know, I'm just a vanilla townie. You can keep blocking me all you like, it's a waste of your time. I joined a failed protection group last night which failed due to me and Double A.
Andres is not as inactive as he appears.
Also, Partner: Andres as promised.
No Visorslash, you and I are usually colluding or engaged in an epic duel. I need my personal space, you see.
You will note if you look carefully at the write-up that you quoted, that there were at least four attackers in the attack on JoanK. Now this doesn't necessarily mean that there were no mafia in the group, but it's pretty evident that it wasn't an all-mafia group, which is the point I was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief