Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

Who is ATGP?

Askthegaypirate?

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

Thanks for enlighteninginging... helpin me!

Visorslash you be saying DoubleA and NotJimRV be having a good alibi for last night.
DoubleA because he threw ye in the brig, information we have from you.
What be NotJimRVs alibi then?

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I'll let him reveal it if he wants - but its definitely solid.

Kage has proven imprudent, his First Mate obscure. If this body is not capable of guiding the ship, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a vote of no confidence in Captain Kagemusha's leadership.

Vote: Mutiny

Someone's PM box is full who I have been speaking with. Clear it out you scurvy swine!

Imprudent Kage´s obscure First Mate is living in European time zone and probably working just like imprudent Kage is, so im sure you will start hearing from him in maybe 4-6 hours. Carry on with the mutiny.

Ach, ye could at least threaten to make all the mutineers walk the plank if the Mutiny fails.

Come on, throw the fear of god or worse the Kraken into em.

MOOO!!!! MOOOO!!!!!

Krakens moo, right?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Ach, ye could at least threaten to make all the mutineers walk the plank if the Mutiny fails.

Come on, throw the fear of god or worse the Kraken into em.

MOOO!!!! MOOOO!!!!!

Krakens moo, right?

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"Your Guess is as good as mine. Either way, I would be concerned if I heard a 'moo' while at sea. *squawk*"

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Originally Posted by spaceman98

Who do you suggest if not yourself or Kage?

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Double A I guess? I'm not seeing any other names being thrown up.

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

What be NotJimRVs alibi then?

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I was part of one of the vig groups last night

Successful or not?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Krakens moo, right?

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Only when making love. How do I know, I hear you ask? Well. I used to date a pirate marine biologist, and she used to call me "the kraken". At bed time...

Err, back to current events.

I'm not really sure Kage is acting any differently to how we'd expect a captain to, did we elect a captain or a "sit in his cabin, counting his gold, polishing his wooden leg, singing "la la la la la" honorary figurehead"? Because I want a captain. Not a figure. Head.

Ok. While we are all waiting for that damned Sea Dog Andres to show up and tell what he found out last night. I ,while completely unable of human interaction, combined with utter lack of sense and manors have something for a thought.

I was lead to understand that last night was about killing inactives. What was strange to me is that we have Ice, who was inactive the first day but was not attacked during the night, which seems rather strange. Maybe someone with brighter head then mine could explain, why is that?

It appears that I have been robbed as well. I can only hope that this was not an activity sanctioned by our dear Capitan. We may be pirates, but we are supposed to be stealing gold from merchants and dirty Frenchmen, not from ourselves! When I find out who is responsible for stealing from me there will be hell to pay. Mark my words.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Ok. While we are all waiting for that damned Sea Dog Andres to show up and tell what he found out last night. I ,while completely unable of human interaction, combined with utter lack of sense and manors have something for a thought.

I was lead to understand that last night was about killing inactives. What was strange to me is that we have Ice, who was inactive the first day but was not attacked during the night, which seems rather strange. Maybe someone with brighter head then mine could explain, why is that?

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Perhaps they didn't want to kill an old player returning so quickly?

Nope BSmith. Was not sanctioned by me.

Kage, what did you do last night, and what did you tell people to do?

I protected my treasure and i tried to set up protection groups. Ordered Andres to investigate myself and Double A and ordered Double A to blog you. Each player knows what i asked them to do. Did you try to kill someone last night and why that player?

vote:mutiny.
Nothing personal, Kage. I'd just prefer a captain with whom I agree on the coordination of night actions.

No problemo landlubber. I fully expect that the yesterdays opposition in the vote are todays mutineers. You lot seem like a well commanded bunch.

Oi! I didn't vote for you, but don't agree with the mutiny.

ATTENTION:

I believe that now is a good time to go over the mutiny mechanics.

First of all, and most importantly, a mutiny vote is in addition to the normal lynch vote, it does not replace it. If you're against a mutiny, simply do not vote for it and carry on as usual. The onus is on the mutineers to achieve a 50% +1 majority. If that majority is attained, then we will proceed directly to a new Captain election and they will also decide the fate of the person with the most votes. If that majority is not attained, then we will simply just have the regular lynch scene as usual.

Any questions, ask in this thread or PM me. :yes:

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I'm not really sure Kage is acting any differently to how we'd expect a captain to, did we elect a captain or a "sit in his cabin, counting his gold, polishing his wooden leg, singing "la la la la la" honorary figurehead"? Because I want a captain. Not a figure. Head.

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You expect the captain to take it upon himself to actively disrupt townie group actions¹, prioritize stopping vig groups over stopping French from finding recruits², and wants townies tied up in meaningless busywork³?

It's not how I expect a captain to act.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

¹Tried to set up protection groups against rumored vig targets and had Visor thrown in the brig. This is my biggest problem, and I would not have mutinied otherwise. He has not apologized or taken any steps to rectify the fact that he directly opposed townie night actions without sufficient reasoning.

²Blocked Visor because of suspected vigilantism, not because of suspected Frenchness. More concerned with stopping nightkills (which the French are demonstrably not participating in at this point) than stopping recruitment and eliminating the French (which can be accomplished through the vig groups).

³He wanted me and others to protect his officers, who already have innate protection and were extremely unlikely to be attacked. Asked people to steal gold from specific targets. Wants people to protect vig targets, resulting in 7+ players completely wasting their time.

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- Micro-managing/control freak. Giving specific orders to every player in the game, even absurdly specific (not just "steal" but "steal from this particular player"). Demands everyone account for their actions to him, despite a lack of anything clearing him, while reluctant to disclose his own actions or plans.

- Power-obsessed. The first person he threw in the brig was the most vocal opponent to both his candidacy and time in office. Wants everyone to submit to him and his authority. Unwilling to work with people and act as anything less than a tyrant. On a minor note, his officers are the two people to vote him into the captaincy, showing a preference for the spoils system over meritocracy.

- Difficult. Ignores issues and concerns people have brought up, refuses to address them and condescends.

Individually, any of these is regrettable but ultimately acceptable in a captain (with the exception of point 1 about disrupting town actions). Taken together, it's unacceptable.

I'm regretting my vote of support earlier...

Vote: Mutiny

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Double A: Good alibi last night (even if it isn't the most helpful), been very level headed in our talks and discussion, hopefully scanned good by Andres. I've also played and hosted games with Double A as town recently and he is fitting the playstyle he has shown in those games.

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Unless Andres' investigation turns up something naughty, I plan to vote Double A for the new captain. Both to show that I'm not opposed to Kagemusha because I voted for the other guy, but because of his actions taken as captain. I'm fine with Double A becoming captain and Andres becoming quartermaster, even though they're Kage's "people". The only request I make is that a new captain take on a mutineer as one of his officers, to demonstrate the same willingness to cooperate and work together.

Double A? Pft. Just make sure to take that PirateStation 4 out of the captains cabin if you want anything to get done.

No response to 261? You think that is all expected of the captain?

Having his officers protected seems fair enough, if slightly paranoid.

I don't know anything about the micro-managing control freakiness. I didn't receive any instructions, and I don't think any of the rest of my group did either, since our orders were decided early in the first day phase before Kage was elected.

Vig+Protect orders to keep people honest have been around for ages.

Someone who wanted a position of power is power obsessed? Go figure.

Kage is always difficult.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:clown:

@Kagemusha

Ice was in a protection group with me last night. I informed you of this.

As for Visor, locking Australians in the brig is always a good policy.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Havimng his officers protected seems fair enough, if slightly paranoid.

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It's a waste of resources that prioritizes protecting his position of power. No one was going to attack the officers, and they already have innate protection anyways.

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I don't know anything about the micro-managing control freakiness. I didn't receive any instructions, and I don't think any of the rest of my group did either, since our orders were decided early in the first day phase before Kage was elected.

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Anyone who didn't tell him their actions received orders to do something specific. It's not appropriate for someone uncleared to be taking such measures so early. And it's not fun.

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Vig+Protect orders to keep people honest have been around for ages.

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It's been used in Capo because you can still progress to more powerful roles that way, which is not the case in this game. Here it's just a waste of everyone's time.

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Someone who wanted a position of power is power obsessed? Go figure.

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Captaincy should be used as a tool to defeat the French, not merely as a position of power.

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Kage is always difficult.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Then why elect him? :clown:

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

@Kagemusha

Ice was in a protection group with me last night. I informed you of this.

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Yes. my memory is not what it used to be. Thanks for the clarification.

Personally though, I find it difficult to get behind a movement where a player acts like they are reluctantly taking part in thread, then tries to recruit me in private with clear in depth knowledge of who is behind it.

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Originally Posted by Zack

Then why elect him? :clown:

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Ask someone who voted for him. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Personally though, I find it difficult to get behind a movement where a player acts like they are reluctantly taking part in thread, then tries to recruit me in private with clear in depth knowledge of who is behind it.

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Huh? I haven't tried to recruit anyone to the mutiny in private.

I don't mean you, you've hardly tried to appear reluctant! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I don't mean you, you've hardly tried to appear reluctant! :laugh4:

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Well, I did not initially plan to mutiny today, despite my frustrations. I was willing to let Kage redeem himself, but that obviously didn't happen.

There be the matter of the lynchin our good host mentioned. Mutiny aside someone will have to walk the plank tonight. Anyone be havin oppinions in that?

What of the vigilante groups that failed. Maybe ATPG or spaceman do be French scum and one of their partners do want to protect them by foiling the vigilante group?

Both Pizza and Spaceman were in protection groups. One is alive because the officers blocked Visorslash.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Personally though, I find it difficult to get behind a movement where a player acts like they are reluctantly taking part in thread, then tries to recruit me in private with clear in depth knowledge of who is behind it.

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Let's clear this up then.
Yeah, I contacted you in private. I dispute that I appear reluctant-- I didn't vote for Kage as captain, and I refused to be marshaled by him last night when he realized there was a bloc of people who were planning independently of him. I know where my loyalties are, and they were never with him.
We're building a new world, Johnny-boy. Come along.

Curses! I want my gold back, served with a dish of revenge, miserable thief. May your beard fall, and never grow again!

Yarrr.

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Originally Posted by Zack

Well, I did not initially plan to mutiny today, despite my frustrations. I was willing to let Kage redeem himself, but that obviously didn't happen.

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I can understand the yesterdays opposition working together towards united goal, but your reaction i have hard time understanding. I had no other single reaction like yours yesterday. While im a fossil and completely outdated in my methods.Please tell me how could i have redeemed myself?

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Curses! I want my gold back, served with a dish of revenge, miserable thief. May your beard fall, and never grow again!

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It seems strange that so many people were robbed last night.

I'll just be a-sayin' that ye lot wha complain aboot yonder Cap'n's steal orders should also lynch Andres wha was handin' out them orders.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

As for Visor, locking Australians in the brig is always a good policy.

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No' until they've beat the English next week.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

Curses! I want my gold back, served with a dish of revenge, miserable thief. May your beard fall, and never grow again!

Yarrr.

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Ye was robbed las' night?

The Captain was guarding his gold.

Double A put someone in jail.

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Originally Posted by Andres

The Captain was guarding his gold.

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Decent piratin' tactic with all these robbers about.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Double A put someone in jail.

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Tha' I object tae.

Whoever finds they got robbed a bit too much last night can turn themselves to Golden Hands.

For the right price*, we are willing to protect your gold.

*The highest bidders' gold will be protected. We don't protect your gold for less than 3 gold.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Tha' I object tae.

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For our slow understanders: he blocked someone.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Kage has proven imprudent, his First Mate obscure. If this body is not capable of guiding the ship, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a vote of no confidence in Captain Kagemusha's leadership.

Vote: Mutiny

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Vote : Montmorency

A bit too eager to put yer own man in place, Frenchie.

Fer oor slow understanders: I ken tha', savvy? But I be already a-promised tha' I be only postin' in character in anythin' relating tae this game.

And fer ye, Andres, I be statin' tha'I object ta visorslashie's being roleblocked.

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Originally Posted by Zack

This is unbelievable. You still refuse to even acknowledge any of my concerns. You are endangering the town cause, and I've waited long enough for you to change your tune. We need a new captain.

Vote: Mutiny

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Jeez, ye're boring.

What is this "town cause" ye're talkin' about.

You try too hard to sound like some sort o' priest.

We're pirates.

I say we lynch that boring Montmorency and vig you tonight. Let the real pirates run the show, says I.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Fer oor slow understanders: I ken tha', savvy? But I be already a-promised tha' I be only postin' in character in anythin' relating tae this game.

And fer ye, Andres, I be statin' tha'I object ta visorslashie's being roleblocked.

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Ye're right. He should be robbed off his gold next night.

Yarr!

Me thinks Andres is on the money. Now if Monty was protecting Visor with spaceman and Ice. How come spaceman was attacked by Visors mutineers, while Ice who has not posted once was assigned to pair with Monty. Freeing Monty for something else with a shady alibi.Aye?

Just so you know: Golden Hands can always use an extra pair of hands.

If Gold is your thing, just contact your First and Also Best Mate.

We have our Captain to guide us, so why would you bother with boring organisations when you can earn GOLD while he takes care of the infiltrants!

Vote: Andres

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Vote: Andres

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Excellent, a vote without reasoning.

Perhaps add something à la "He will cause chaos and that's not townsmanslike".

As if Law and Order is the Pirate way of doing things :snobby:

Aarr, now the Frenchie and his soon to be crew wants us both old mate! What better thing then waltz to the Sea and join the good ole Flying Dutch until the end of times!!

That's obviously filthy French cheese.

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Excellent, a vote without reasoning.

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You have already provided all the reasoning through your actions and inactions.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

That's obviously filthy French cheese.

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You know your cheeses?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Ye're right. He should be robbed off his gold next night.

Yarr!

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Why should do that, yarrr?

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Aarr, now the Frenchie and his soon to be crew wants us both old mate! What better thing then waltz to the Sea and join the good ole Flying Dutch until the end of times!!

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What be ye sayin'? Dutchmen be no' flying, 'cept when the Duke fo Alba be shootin' cannon an' powder to 'em.

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Ye been stolen from?

What treachery.

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What is treacherous about trying to get your hands on some unprotected gold?

However, for the paranoid among you, Golden Hands offer their services to protect your hard earned gold.

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Originally Posted by Andres

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/...psrrbjgwgo.jpg

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Tha' be the thing. If the Captain an' his second in command makes us lose treasure by havin' people steal from us, then why should we be keepin' them two alive?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

What be ye sayin'? Dutchmen be no' flying, 'cept when the Duke fo Alba be shootin' cannon an' powder to 'em.

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This one is flying under and over the waves as it pleases. Never sailing port, while the Rum never endssss..

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

That's obviously filthy French cheese.



You have already provided all the reasoning through your actions and inactions.

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By showing that I follow the Pirate Way?

As opposed to you boring military types with orders and organisations.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Tha' be the thing. If the Captain an' his second in command makes us lose treasure by havin' people steal from us, then why should we be keepin' them two alive?

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I'm going to pay ye 1 gold for that post, ye funny seadog.

Why loose, when one can gain? One can become a monk and give all away, or a pirate and have it all...Is there a decision there somewhere?

Nae sic thin' as an end tae rum!

This would appear ta be the present tally, if anyone be enough o' a scurvy cur ta be misrepresented here or na' represented at all, then let hisself be heard from.

El Barto: Sprig
Montmorency: Andres
Andres: Montmorency

Mutiny: Zack; Visorslash; Lissa; Ishmael; Montmorency; landlubber; TheFlax

Why be nae one o' ye scurvy curs votin'?

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Originally Posted by Andres

:laugh4:

I'm going to pay ye 1 gold for that post, ye funny seadog.

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Arrr, mighty thankfully I be acceptin'.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Why loose, when one can gain? One can become a monk and give all away, or a pirate and have it all...Is there a decision there somewhere?

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O' course a decision! Free man or slave o' the Popish! Free Nederlander or slave to Valois and Habsburg? Freedooooommmm!

Apparently Monty has no defense, nor explanation. Any man worth his salt should toss that Frenchie to the waves.

We be asea, lad. Salt ain't rare enough ta be worth much here. It be worth that much on land, exemplee grattia France.

You been drinking sea water old mate? Salt is what preserves and is most valuable at Sea and Sea itself is salty and what is more valuable then Sea?

More valuable than sea? Doubloons, o' course. What be more valuable than treasure?

So if a Papist tells ya. El Barto you old fool. Here is sack of coin. Now till the field. You value that more then raiding the open Sea?

For Flanders, I be never followin' Popish instructions again. But hae ye ne'er heard o' brigandage? It be like piracy asea, bu' without gettin' seasick.

Sure sounds strange. When ever i go to port.The land seems to waltz under mi feet, but when at Sea with my rum. I feel steady as a mast. Strange place that land is.

Tha' be one more reason fer no' trustin' ye as a captain: ye be no' a good raider once we gets to a fort or village, man.

Yes. Im sure the Frenchies now that sort lot better then i. You also get a bright uniform and haircut..Pffttt..Me says! Better stay where is good to be.

Arrr, let's no' be hasty. Nae haircuts fer me fram croissant-eaters.

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Originally Posted by Andres

By showing that I follow the Pirate Way?

As opposed to you boring military types with orders and organisations.

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"Order and Organisations? Nay, we all follow the code, the pirate code! *Squawk*"

Squawky Jim was incensed. He couldn't quite believe what he was hearing. Outside threats being ignored and encouragement of stabbing each other in the back. Jim shook his head. 'Madness.' he thought..

"I paid my dues, proved my worth many times overs whether at sea or on land. Orders and organisations are second nature to me. But it was clear when I signed on for this gig that while we may plunder and make gold where we may, but bot against our fellow crew, Men that we have fought side by side with... This is a black mark against your honour. *Squawk*"

"I can't abide by a Captain and First mate that sanction and encourage stealing against our own. I vote:Mutiny. I also Unvote :El Barto; Vote: Andres. *squawk*"

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

Successful or not?

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It was not.

Vote: Mutiny

Let's get some support for new leadership going then. Naturally I'll have a little bit of self-interest, but Kage appeared to me a little bit too kage-y earlier for my tastes. (One another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet was how close the vote was yesterday. As it is in politics, perhaps it should be from someone who doesn't want the bloody thing.)

Dunno who to vote for. It's hard to get a read on people when you don't know anyone :<

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Carry on with the mutiny.

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As you wish.

Vote: Mutiny

Once again, to reiterate:

If you are voting Mutiny, you must also vote for someone to lynch. The two options are *not* mutually exclusive.