Rise of The Snake Cult [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by El Barto

And why don't you vote for Nightbringer then?

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Commitment scares me. Also reading the thread and looking for a better lead. But good for a default.

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:stare:

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I thought you were making a Good Feathers cartoon reference.

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What?

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Explanation:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

The ghost of pizza thinks I should vote Vote: El berato

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Scarlett votes for Elly.

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

Unvote; Vote:El Brato

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Scarlett unvotes, then votes for the same person.

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

I unvoted btw.

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Scarlett thinks she's unvoted. But she hasn't, unless I'm wrong about how this works.

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

Vote: Al Sips

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She votes for Al.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

Vote: Al Sipsclar

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Golden makes a stealthy post everyone notices.

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

Unvote; Vote:Al Sips until I figure out why Golden voted for him. It kind of pinged to me his vote.

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Scarlett gets suspicious about this, and invites for Al...but then revotes for him again. But it's pretty clearly meant to remove her vote from Al because she's suspicious of GoldKnight's post. Unless she's just rehammering the same vote again again. But that's weird.

Conclusion: Scarlett is slightly confused about how voting is marked in the thread. I tried explaining yesterday, so today I tried just showing what an invite looked like. Unless this is the same system she normally uses in mafia? Then. Um. Dunno. Weird mafia ploy?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Meh. She's normally a pretty solid reasonable town. Not particularly unusual in any way. Good player, though.

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Kay. I'm gonna put her into solid town then for now.

You should see the way Visor wrote the unvote in the rules Raith.

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• You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. If you wish to unvote, simply: Unvote; Vote: ATPG. You don't need to do a semicolon, I just think it looks nice. The vote tag is not essential but please make it very clear who you are voting for, I would suggest only bolding names for votes, never for emphasis.

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Here

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

My vote remained on you because you still didn't vote. I believe it's extremely unhelpful to town to hold votes until the very end. I actually care less about what people say to explain their thought process, because this is the game of deception and backstabbing. Their actions (votes and night actions) are more important to me.

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I don't believe this at all. You've jumped pretty quick with people's reasoning as the basis for your votes besides Cas.

Vote: Al

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

You should see the way Visor wrote the unvote in the rules Raith.

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I checked. Maybe I'm wrong? Visor? Help?

It should say ‘whom’, not ‘who’.

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

Commitment scares me. Also reading the thread and looking for a better lead. But good for a default.

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You can always unvote.

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

I thought you were making a Good Feathers cartoon reference.

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Maybe I was…

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

Explanation:
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Kay. I'm gonna put her into solid town then for now.

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No, wait, what?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

No, wait, what?

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I don't think anyone will find this persuasive but me. But here's my thought process:

If Scarlett was mistaken about how voting works, and I'm starting to think I was totally wrong, it'd be weird for her to make a gaffe that provoked confusion with players. That sounds like an individual thing, not a mafia thing. If I saw a teammate making the mistake, I'd correct it in the mafia thread lest it provoke more attention later.

But as I'm thinking I was wrong about the formatting, this may all be nonsense.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

In all honestly, blending together at the moment for me. I'm going to need more time to get individual reads.

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Ok. I asked because you just look to be dodging us a bit.

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

I don't think anyone will find this persuasive but me. But here's my thought process:

If Scarlett was mistaken about how voting works, and I'm starting to think I was totally wrong, it'd be weird for her to make a gaffe that provoked confusion with players. That sounds like an individual thing, not a mafia thing. If I saw a teammate making the mistake, I'd correct it in the mafia thread lest it provoke more attention later.

But as I'm thinking I was wrong about the formatting, this may all be nonsense.

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I'm just making it easier for him. You don't have to put the vote part though.

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

But as I'm thinking I was wrong about the formatting, this may all be nonsense.

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Quite possibly so.

Lol I'm a derp at times.>.>

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

The thing that makes me think he is scum is his under the radar type play D1. It has a different tone then the others. The Csargo kill could possibly be someone who thinks he has good reads on this roster? Not sure because this is my first game.

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How am I under the radar? I feel like I have a transponder stuck on "scum". As Cuth says below, I'm a permanent lynchbait.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

I always find Sips hard to read. He seems to be a favorite mislynch target, but I haven't played enough with him to be certain of my reads.

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I think we played in 3 games together. I was town in all, and you were scum in 2 out of three. Because of that I'm actually have to fight the scum bias against you.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Actually, OMGUS is voting for someone who has voted you…

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Right. I voted for edse, who voted me, as you eloquently noted in #84.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Here are Al's posts.
To me, it seems like he's moving his vote around a little too much compared to the number of posts he's making and what he's saying. First he makes a sort of jokey vote, than he OMGUS's, then votes Cass because she hasn't voted enough. I just don't really see much mental transition between these and it kinda feels like he doesn't care much if any of them die.

Vote:Al Sipsclar

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This seems rather silly to me. For what purpose would a mafioso move their vote around so much on day 1 for? It's too scatterbrained to be anything scheming. You might be correct that he doesn't care too much if they die or not, but that doesn't necessarily translate to him being mafia.

Vote: Scarlett Aria

While I find the case made by Cuthilius flimsy, I don't necessarily fault him for that in the sense of being guilty. What I *do* find suspicious is others latching onto it without any explanation of why they might agree with it. My eye is on GoldenKnight too, but Scarlett's setting off my bells slightly harder.

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

The thing that makes me think he is scum is his under the radar type play D1. It has a different tone then the others. The Csargo kill could possibly be someone who thinks he has good reads on this roster? Not sure because this is my first game.

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Mostly for this. I don't even agree that Al was "under the radar". Under the radar is what I did. If he's flopping around with his vote, he's almost exactly the opposite; it's noisy and draws attention to himself. That doesn't strike me as mafia behavior, and it raises a brow from me that you would hop onto a case with such odd... reasoning.

My leans at the moment:

Town:
Winston Hughes - less sure today, hope to see more activity during the week
Raith Kemmler - good content
Scarlett Aria - seems clueless enough to be town

Slight town:
Cuthillius - attempts at scumhunting
El Barto - good level of activity
landlubber - I like his activity level D1, though the first vote on Beskar worries me
edse - the way he reacted yesterday gives me some hope

Neutral/Unknown:
Severing viper - duplicate posts. Understandable since he's new to the forum, though might also show nervousness.
GeneralHankerchief - why Beskar had to die for you to live?
Autolycus - filthy lurker
Johnhughthom - hides behind Winston
seireikhaan - hides behind GH
Zain - seems overexcited, but understandable after a long hiatus
Cass_ - actually upgraded from slight scum. I understand that maybe it's the personal style, but I believe delaying the vote is anti-town.

Slight scum:
Jarema
Golden1Knight
Nightbringer
- low activity, don't like the votes.

Vote: Nightbringer I can also support lynching Jarema or Golden1Knight.

I do not know what you do not like in my votes, Al

I don't like who and how you voted, Jarema. I'd like you to post more. What do you think of the game so far? Who do you think is town?
Below is everything you posted in the game so far.

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Originally Posted by Jarema

vote: Cuthillius.

Hi there

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Originally Posted by Jarema

vote: Edse. Lets create some pressure here

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Originally Posted by Jarema

I do not know what you do not like in my votes, Al

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I don't like who and how you voted, Jarema. I'd like you to post more. What do you think of the game so far? Who do you think is town?
Below is everything you posted in the game so far.

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I was planning on dealing with that this morning, yeah. :I

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

Lol I'm a derp at times.>.>

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Alette. To unvote you just type

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Unvote

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If you retype your old vote then it counts as basically unvoting and revoting.

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I think we played in 3 games together. I was town in all, and you were scum in 2 out of three. Because of that I'm actually have to fight the scum bias against you.

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Lol you're right. You just get mislynched by other townies, not generally the scum team.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

That's correct, I don't care much if any of them die. Why should I if I don't believe they are helping town? We are lynching someone here every day.

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I like this, you can be town for now. Unvote

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

Self demonstration: removing my vote from Cuthalious

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Lol. First you OMGUS, but actually not, so you just sort of pointless vote me for tagging you in a post, and then you unvote with just as much reason. Fish of Suspicion.

Oh and if it helps just call me Cuth.

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

Lol I'm a derp at times.>.>

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Me too. I got confused by an unfamiliar voting system. Mea culpa.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

How am I under the radar? I feel like I have a transponder stuck on "scum". As Cuth says below, I'm a permanent lynchbait.

I think we played in 3 games together. I was town in all, and you were scum in 2 out of three. Because of that I'm actually have to fight the scum bias against you.

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I agree with this. I've been dealing with maybe some cultural clashing with Al and Cuthilious, but I wouldn't say Al was under the radar. He's been proc'ing people aggressively.

What's Cuthiliious posting look like then and now? Any differences?

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

This seems rather silly to me. For what purpose would a mafioso move their vote around so much on day 1 for? It's too scatterbrained to be anything scheming.

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Maybe. Too whatever for the mafia isn't a premise I'd chase very far game to game.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Slight scum:
Jarema
Golden1Knight
Nightbringer
- low activity, don't like the votes.

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Me neither. The law of averages says they're probably not all mafia, but they're the same player. Well Golden, must be hard to stealth in all that shiney armor, is playing a glaringly insubstantial echo chamber game. Jarema posts are minimal, and Nightbringer is Jarema's grumpier brother.

Lynching all of them in a row? Fool's errand. But with no content, ignoring them is kind of bad too. Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I don't like who and how you voted, Jarema. I'd like you to post more. What do you think of the game so far? Who do you think is town?

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I'm Raith Kemmler, and I support this message.

Just call me Cuth.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Just call me Cuth.

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Cuth it is.

I'll get in on this.

Vote: Jarema

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I don't like who and how you voted, Jarema. I'd like you to post more. What do you think of the game so far? Who do you think is town?
Below is everything you posted in the game so far.

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You did not answer me. I know why you dont like my level of activity, but why you dont like whom I voted?

I'm not seeing scumminess in Jarema's behavior. It's been noted in the past that townie Jarema is noticeably less verbose than scum Jarema. He tends to involve himself more when he's non-town. I do think that pressuring the inactives is a good strategy at this stage in the game, though.

A lot of Al Sips's other potential scum pings are pretty null. GH and Khaan always play off of each other, as do Winston and JHT, and Autolycus is never all that active compared to most players.

That being said, vote:Nightbringer is the best choice that I see. There are many players we need to see more from, and he's one of the most flagrant and most unreadable lurkers.

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Originally Posted by landlubber

It's been noted in the past that townie Jarema is noticeably less verbose than scum Jarema.

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Which I really regret.
As a scum, I feel that I owe it to my emies to give them something to analize, for the sake of fairness of the game. And, as a townie, I dont feel such obligation. Sometimes, I try to make cases, but it is hard with no informations from without the thread

Al Sipsclar does seem to be the scummiest, but there's plenty of votes there. Let's go with the arbitrary counterwagon on Jarrema.

What an opportune moment to crawl out of the woodwork! vote:autolycus

I was attacked last night. Poisoned. If I know Visor correctly I'll be dead in about two days.

For the moment I agree with Khaan on Vote: Scarlett.

Y'all are right, it's awesome being back. Though it's hard for me to be very active during this holiday season, I'm reading the posts in big sections, and I stick to my previous vote.

The sudden turn to both inactives has me hair up. It feels really easy.

If we're going to put one of the non-shows on trial, I'm leaning to the one who looks the most classically mafia. I like the votes on Nightbringer, and I won't cry if he dies, but his one post is kind of null. He's not helping town, but I can't say he's done anything scummy either. Jarema is a bit more active, but I'm not smelling the scum there if his meta is true. But Goldenknight does smell fearful.

Day 1: I demand some posting from the inactives.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

Vote: Cuthilious

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A few minutes later, our lurker comes out, and then goes back into the shadows.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

Vote: Al Sipsclar

Raith seems a bit suspicious too.

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Day 2, we get this regurgitation of other people's sentiments. It's basically nothing at best, and a clumsy smokescreen at worst.

Weird vote be weird. Pretty much everyone else posting around this time looks sidewise at this post.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

I did not expect that my vote would cause such a reaction!

First, it is a habit of mine to vote without explaining. It may be a negligence but has worked so far :P

My vote was guided by the posts made on the thread, and I did not vote in Raith because GH's explanation seemed plausible (regarding day's lynch vote).

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Golden now gives us what might be a soliloquy to what came before. Oh crap guys, you all noticed this. But I always do this, why are you looking at me? It's worked great. Why isn't it still working?

What's weirder though, is his sudden additional point on me. It doesn't look logical the way it transitions. It's more like, plugging a question before it can be asked. Anxiety maybe? Don't keep asking me to explain stuff?

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

My eye is on GoldenKnight too, but Scarlett's setting off my bells slightly harder.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Slight scum:
Jarema
Golden1Knight
Nightbringer
- low activity, don't like the votes.

Vote: Nightbringer I can also support lynching Jarema or Golden1Knight.

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A couple people all make comments that Golden smells funny.

Yet Golden isn't on the chopping block. Suddenly his two inactive brothers in negligence are both up here, but he's just kind of floating away. That doesn't seem natural to me as a development. It feels manipulated. And if some capo did push the thread, saving Golden seems a decent hypothesis. If Nightbringer flips town, the typical town response is to give up on the inactives for a while at least and try finding an active mafiosa.

Unvote

Vote: GoldenKnight

Brothers in negligence? I don't think they're coördinating anything.

I don't either. As I said before, it's improbable they're all mafia. I was just grouping them as inactives by way of bad metaphor.

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Originally Posted by edse

I was attacked last night. Poisoned. If I know Visor correctly I'll be dead in about two days.

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Can you expand on this?

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

I don't either. As I said before, it's improbable they're all mafia. I was just grouping them as inactives by way of bad metaphor.

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Well, we'll see. Given that edse claims he was attacked, not all inactives can be mafia… well, it's unlikely.

I really don't get the two votes on me now but it just seems a bit strange. My site has mostly active posters so Al sips posts ping to me as the bare minimum content. On the other hand the push for a Night lynch is strange with the fact that he isn't around much. Golden gives off a 3pish vibe though.

Vote: Golden1Knight

Unvote: Jarema
Vote: johnhughthom

Hey, if it's about counterwaggoning, I could repeat my line of reasoning used for voting Autolycus and change to jht…

It seems that your accusations are doing a great job removing me from the shadows. I will answer your questions, and then return to my natural habitat. That is, if my head remains over my shoulders.

Usually I read all the posts and, from what I can understand, I vote. It's not a perfect system, especially early in the game, where information is scarce, but there is not much I can do. But during the night stage, I make myself more useful. I am always willing to cooperate with other townies, even when it may be disadvantageous to me. In this game I'm townie again, although I can't prove it of course :P

I also have a personal goal to get to the end of the game still alive, a feat that I accomplished in my first two games and will try to achieve in this one as well. This golden knight hasn't met death (yet).

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

I really don't get the two votes on me now but it just seems a bit strange. My site has mostly active posters so Al sips posts ping to me as the bare minimum content. On the other hand the push for a Night lynch is strange with the fact that he isn't around much. Golden gives off a 3pish vibe though.

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How does Al seem bare minimum and not Jarema?

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

My eye is on GoldenKnight too, but Scarlett's setting off my bells slightly harder.

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Note: if Golden scum, khaan likely too.

That said... Vote:Golden1knight because he really doesn't look good and hasn't really provided convincing defence.

It seems that I dug my own grave. That's what I get for coming out of the shadows lol

Golden1Knight is lynched. He was town.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Note: if Golden scum, khaan likely too.

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And if Golden ain't scum…? btw thanks for making the waggon slightly more irreversible.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

It seems that I dug my own grave. That's what I get for coming out of the shadows lol

Golden1Knight is lynched. He was town.

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Well, I call PIS on that.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

I also have a personal goal to get to the end of the game still alive, a feat that I accomplished in my first two games and will try to achieve in this one as well. This golden knight hasn't met death (yet).

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Wait, is this a GM-given personal goal or some random personal decision of yours?

Probably a personal decision, I know I have roughly the same personal goal but for the rest of eternity.

For the record I don't like this lynch.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Probably a personal decision, I know I have roughly the same personal goal but for the rest of eternity.

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Well, seeing as we've been having all these terminology issues recently, I thought I'd ask, even if he's resigned to his death.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

For the record I don't like this lynch.

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Counterwaggon on either auto or jht, whichever you prefer…?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Counterwaggon on either auto or jht, whichever you prefer…?

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My vote's already on JHT. auto's going to be more responsive to game flow. JHT is going to be JHT.

Then unvote; vote:johnhughthom.

Sure.

unvote, vote:Johnhughthom

btw, landlubber, as third on the bandwaggon, you're obviously mafia. :clown:

Why are we counterwagoning JHT in particular?

I think Golden's reaction to pressure is townie, though...

Unvote.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Why are we counterwagoning JHT in particular?

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It was between him and Auto, both of whom tend to lurk these games quite a lot. Look at jht's activity so far.

I'm looking at it, but in doing so I also saw his last game, in which he was town, and behaved the exact same way.

I'm going to go with my gut here and Vote: Al Sips

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Lol you're right. You just get mislynched by other townies, not generally the scum team.

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I was only mislynched in the first game, RedDwarf. In Madness, I was lynched by the scum team, but I was asking for that, since I wanted to use my resurrection ability.

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

What's Cuthiliious posting look like then and now? Any differences?

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Cuth was really reckless in RedDwarf, made mistakes and eventually caught. I don't think that was his usual scum game. Madness was a "special" game, so I don't believe that was indicative of his town play either. And in the last game he was lynched D2 during Thanksgiving weekend, without much input from him.

So, yes, his play now is different from what I saw before, and so far I like it.

lol, Scarlett. :laugh4:

Hey, it's not that bad a vote.

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Originally Posted by Jarema

You did not answer me. I know why you dont like my level of activity, but why you dont like whom I voted?

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You voted, perhaps randomly D1, and that's ok. What I didn't like is that you didn't take any part in the subsequent discussion on D1. As if you wanted to avoid any attention. Compare to edse, who didn't hesitate to react to my post.
On D2, your only contribution has been following in Winston's wake and voting edse. I didn't like Winston's vote, that's why I said I'm less sure about him today. Your vote on edse I like even less.

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Originally Posted by Jarema

Which I really regret.
As a scum, I feel that I owe it to my emies to give them something to analize, for the sake of fairness of the game. And, as a townie, I dont feel such obligation. Sometimes, I try to make cases, but it is hard with no informations from without the thread

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The problem we have in this game, and it equally applies to all town lurkers, is that the private communication is not allowed. We can only communicate and coordinate in-thread. If you're lurking, you're not helping town.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Hey, it's not that bad a vote.

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I think it's third in a row already. "I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true."

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

You voted, perhaps randomly D1, and that's ok. What I didn't like is that you didn't take any part in the subsequent discussion on D1. As if you wanted to avoid any attention. Compare to edse, who didn't hesitate to react to my post.
On D2, your only contribution has been following in Winston's wake and voting edse. I didn't like Winston's vote, that's why I said I'm less sure about him today. Your vote on edse I like even less.

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That's… typical town Jarrema, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I think it's third in a row already. "I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true."

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It's not that bad a vote
It's not that bad a vote
It's not that bad a vote

Actually, that makes it four times, because I already said it last page. So I'm crossing one out.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

That's… typical town Jarrema, I'd say.

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Well, I still don't like it. Like I said, this game is not like the usual where you can lurk. If we don't work together in the thread, we'll be taken out one by one (like it happened in "This is Madness!", for those who played there).

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Can you expand on this?

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No, that's all. I feel terrible though.

Sorry so late, v. busy with RL.

Poisoning likely to be snake team attack.

khaan visited edse last night, when latter claims to be poisoned.

Simplest conclusion: khaan poisoned edse and is member of snake team.

vote: khaan

ps. If above holds, Csargo kill could be vig/SK.

Vote: seireikhaan

Unvote; Vote:khaan

Vote: khaan

:rolleyes:

vote: khaan

Here and catching up :)

Can someone pull a votecount pls?

My net has been cutting out all day

2 Al Sips (Scarlett, Golden
1 Edse (Jarema
2 Scarlett (Khaan, edse
1 Night (Zain
1 Jarrema (Auto
1 Golden (RK
3 JHT (GH, EB, land
4 Khaan (WH, Al Sips, JHT, Cass

Doing this on phone. 24 hours for night. Khaan was lynched, he was Mafia.

Called it, I'll go back to being quiet now.

Just a reminder that you shouldn't post after death.

From the rules:

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• You may not talk after death except for a 'go town' style comment. There will be a dead quicktopic if you want to talk (or a skype chat).

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Unvote: GH

Vote: El Barto

Don't you touch my honeybun.

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I dont know if that means anything, but it's good to remember.

Also, I think El Barto, Scarlett (khaan voted for her) and everyone who voted for Khaan are town. Plus, Edse voted along with Khaan, but this is not a definitive evidence. Yet it is something to watch out.

Anyway, khaan's wagon came quickly and unexpectedly, so there was no reaction from his fellow mafiosi to save him.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I was only mislynched in the first game, RedDwarf. In Madness, I was lynched by the scum team, but I was asking for that, since I wanted to use my resurrection ability.



Cuth was really reckless in RedDwarf, made mistakes and eventually caught. I don't think that was his usual scum game. Madness was a "special" game, so I don't believe that was indicative of his town play either. And in the last game he was lynched D2 during Thanksgiving weekend, without much input from him.

So, yes, his play now is different from what I saw before, and so far I like it.

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Don't forget NSP.

I didn't want to lynch khaan that early just because he was providing content and the more the better. But hey, it worked out.