Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

Correcting Unvote.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

How do you expect me to answer that question? :3

Please let other people answer for themselves first.

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This is an odd reaction to Sooh's post. Given how you've pursued D1 so far. I'm unsure of what you're trying to accomplish, Sooh was adding content to the thread, even if the question wasn't directed towards her. So why?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

This is an odd reaction to Sooh's post. Given how you've pursued D1 so far. I'm unsure of what you're trying to accomplish, Sooh was adding content to the thread, even if the question wasn't directed towards her. So why?

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Because when I ask someone a question, I want to see their answer unaffected and/or uninfluenced by someone else putting words in their mouth for them. Even if it's a more obvious answer/response, how they answer is important.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Those "pedantic arguments" were:
A. The few active players pursuing anything they could.
B. 99% me. What do you say?

Are you locking in the novice vote?

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Not entirely you, but IIRC you are/were (please be "were") the only one who was part of both.

And nah, my novice vote's not locked in, round ends in 19 hours and I should be able to carve out enough time between now and then to get a more solid feel for things.

Sleep for now though.

Two word Mafia.

Tell me what you see.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Because when I ask someone a question, I want to see their answer unaffected and/or uninfluenced by someone else putting words in their mouth for them. Even if it's a more obvious answer/response, how they answer is important.

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How could Sooh's post effect novice's answer? I'm also unsure as to why you thought the question had value in the first place. I honestly don't understand the logic behind it. Feel like the answer would have to be some iteration of what he said, or else he'd look inconsistent. Are you always this antagonistic in games? Your posts give me that vibe, or am I delusional?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Two word Mafia.

Tell me what you see.

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You too? Already Novice. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

But I have absolutely no regrets even if it is a mislynch, because d1 is a c***shoot,

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

This...is disappointingly shallow itself. I think we've all well established that d1 is a c***shoot and there's little to work with, now do you have anything to add? What do you think of the others that talked?

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Dude, it's okay, you can just say "crapshoot," we're not that strict about swear words.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Dude, it's okay, you can just say "crapshoot," we're not that strict about swear words.

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i was legitimately confused and thought that was something other than crapshoot just because it was censored at first lol

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Dude, it's okay, you can just say "crapshoot," we're not that strict about swear words.

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:daisy: Back in the olden days we were. The times when khaans changed their names every thousand posts. Those were stricter times...

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

You too? Already Novice. Oh well.

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<3, OMG, let's meet up on IRC.

Unvote: novice; Vote: Severing Viper

Isn't "Champ" a Pokemon?

That would have been a proper disposable vote. Too late now though.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

How could Sooh's post effect novice's answer? I'm also unsure as to why you thought the question had value in the first place. I honestly don't understand the logic behind it. Feel like the answer would have to be some iteration of what he said, or else he'd look inconsistent. Are you always this antagonistic in games? Your posts give me that vibe, or am I delusional?

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Because when you provide an answer for someone else, you provide them something to point to and draw from? Often when I ask someone something, I care as much about how they answer as what, if not more. And someone stepping in and providing an answer for them that can affect their response and ability to respond is bad.
Or put it this way: If my questioning/pressure could produce genuine results and that is hampered by someone intentionally or unintentionally coaching the one I'm asking how/what to answer, of course it's a problem, no?

As for what the point of the question was, I asked him that to hear about his voting habits, and to determine exactly what type of vote it was. Was he the type to decide a suspect early and/or was it a pressure vote? I felt his answer told me enough about that and moved on.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Dude, it's okay, you can just say "crapshoot," we're not that strict about swear words.

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As long as there's someone in this game who's bothered by swears, I will censor them. That's a time-wasting issue I'd rather avoid entirely.

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Because when you provide an answer for someone else, you provide them something to point to and draw from? Often when I ask someone something, I care as much about how they answer as what, if not more. And someone stepping in and providing an answer for them that can affect their response and ability to respond is bad.

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What if this is the result we seek?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Unvote: novice; Vote: Severing Viper

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Is this a "disposable vote" of the sort you mention in your next post, are you declaring suspicion, or both?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

What if this is the result we seek?

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If interfering with what I want to get out of the question and making me less sure of the results is really what you seek, hissssss.

So you saw Sooh's post as influential to your question/novice? I disagree, but to each their own. Mostly concerned with the tone of it all after the fact, rather than the question itself anyways.

Also, for my own understanding mostly, what was the purposed of going after Logic? What value did you gain from that interaction/argument?

I don't have a ton to add, except Csargo ???

I hope you'll have time to make some general reads on a few people to help me read you, Csargo.

Same goes for most tbh. Even if you're uncertain as heck about your reads and you probably will switch them around tomorrow, I'd really appreciate getting them before DL so I can use them to get a read on you. I'll get into and produce some sort of reads list when I'm home from work today.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

So you saw Sooh's post as influential to your question/novice? I disagree, but to each their own. Mostly concerned with the tone of it all after the fact, rather than the question itself anyways.

Also, for my own understanding mostly, what was the purposed of going after Logic? What value did you gain from that interaction/argument?

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No, I took issue with the idea of answering for others, not her answer specifically (because it had nothing to do with the question, but that's a past matter).

I started pressuring him because I saw an apparent contradiction that wasn't answered, and I push apparent contradictions that aren't answered. What I got out of it was that he's someone that has trouble conveying exactly what he means and that approach wouldn't do any good with him. The discussion was otherwise alignment-neutral.




(On an unrelated note, day phases are 48 hours, and d1 started two days ago at about 12:30 PM EST, so it would end early this coming afternoon for me, but the phase end time is set for roughly 6 PM, meaning it would end then, so how much time is there-
SeveringViper hurt itself in its confusion!)

6PM EST, so idk if that's a conversion you'll have to do or something.

3PM PST

11PM UK

midnight CET

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

(On an unrelated note, day phases are 48 hours, and d1 started two days ago at about 12:30 PM EST, so it would end early this coming afternoon for me, but the phase end time is set for roughly 6 PM, meaning it would end then, so how much time is there-
SeveringViper hurt itself in its confusion!)

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For the record, I'd assume the 6 PM time takes priority myself, I'm just complaining =)

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Originally Posted by Sooh

6PM EST, so idk if that's a conversion you'll have to do or something.

3PM PST

11PM UK

midnight CET

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I'm in EST, so no conversions, just thought it was a little unclear.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

I'm in EST, so no conversions, just thought it was a little unclear.

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Especially since I'd been operating under the assumption the phase would end next afternoon for me until GH mentioning otherwise made me check.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

I'm in EST, so no conversions, just thought it was a little unclear.

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I think both because it started on a weekend, and because I know sometimes D1 phases are a bit longer on my home forum it's a slightly longer first day here.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

No, I took issue with the idea of answering for others, not her answer specifically (because it had nothing to do with the question, but that's a past matter).

I started pressuring him because I saw an apparent contradiction that wasn't answered, and I push apparent contradictions that aren't answered. What I got out of it was that he's someone that has trouble conveying exactly what he means and that approach wouldn't do any good with him. The discussion was otherwise alignment-neutral.




(On an unrelated note, day phases are 48 hours, and d1 started two days ago at about 12:30 PM EST, so it would end early this coming afternoon for me, but the phase end time is set for roughly 6 PM, meaning it would end then, so how much time is there-
SeveringViper hurt itself in its confusion!)

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Okay, I think I understand what you're doing now. Thanks.

Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?

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I have no real overall idea what I'm doing and I'm poking at anything I think can produce even the slightest value to see what comes out, does that fit?

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

I have no real overall idea what I'm doing and I'm poking at anything I think can produce even the slightest value to see what comes out, does that fit?

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Assuming that was an open question.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?

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Maybe...

I yearn to rely on a stronger will.

I fear what I'm capable of in its absence.

Just played a quick game of catchup and I can easily say I'm floored at how active Sooh is on this site.

Good stuff.


Reads coming after coffee.

Logic - villager for earlier posts. I remember the few in the beginning about their playstyle and their history playing on the site. Also compared to French Rev I think they're definitely playing to their villa game.

GeneralHankerchief - Villager for most things, active and helpful ITT when he's around. Think he has a much higher chance of being a villager than a wolf.

Champ - Ok this is hard. I feel like he'd be a lot more active as a villager but I know that during my first .Org game I was really shocked by the tempo of the game and that was a little discouraging. I would say that Champ is probably one of my lighter scum reads this game.

SeveringViper - I read this dude like I would try to read Zack and I'm at like 51% chance he's a villager. I know they've been really active as well I just haven't paid nearly as much attention to them. Wanted to include them because I had thought about them as opposed to the other people I didn't mention.

Novice - This is probably a bad read but from what I've skimmed they've been super active so I'm willing to call them a villager. Also their entrance seemed to be pretty inquisitive in that they wanted to know how people played/what they were like (presumably to develop a better read on them).

Csargo - ily

choxorn - Odd push on me inherently. I'm sure it was a joke but I don't think we're on the same level of each other that would encourage joking around kinda play. That might sound weird but it's kinda like, I'd only joke around like that with people I'm good friends with, but maybe Chox is super cool and wants to be buds. For now he's in light scum w Champo.

Cuthillius - Playing exactly how he does as a villager (granted my only recent experience with him is in turbo games but I think he's doing the same stuff).

Sooh - Don't know about alignment but just wanted to say that I like how much she's posting. I think that with the volume read it's hard to not call her a villager, but I'm scared that my village circle is getting too big.




woop

if you want me to find posts lmk

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I don't have a ton to add, except Csargo ???

I hope you'll have time to make some general reads on a few people to help me read you, Csargo.

Same goes for most tbh. Even if you're uncertain as heck about your reads and you probably will switch them around tomorrow, I'd really appreciate getting them before DL so I can use them to get a read on you. I'll get into and produce some sort of reads list when I'm home from work today.

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I was trying to determine what SV was doing, mostly because some of his reactions and arguments seemed scummy to me, because I didn't see what they accomplished. I think I understand what he's doing, I don't know if it has long-term value, but we'll see.

As far as reads go I don't have much. Think Barto seems himself so far, khaan's sort of half in character and half ooc not sure what to make of that. I'm unsure of SV, but want to see what happens going forward. Not sure I've ever played with SV before. I'm not sure what to make of novice yet, I'll probably go through the thread again tonight and see if anything jumps out to me. Actually I'll try to look through it before I have to work, because the day will be over, before I get off work iirc.

To me some of your (Csargo) posts read almost like a defense of me, and that's strange.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

To me some of your (Csargo) posts read almost like a defense of me, and that's strange.

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???

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Originally Posted by Manasi

SeveringViper - I read this dude like I would try to read Zack and I'm at like 51% chance he's a villager. I know they've been really active as well I just haven't paid nearly as much attention to them. Wanted to include them because I had thought about them as opposed to the other people I didn't mention.

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Is just this a volume read and/or do you actually like whatever you have read from me?

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Originally Posted by Manasi

Csargo - ily

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Manasi lock town for this read. I'm only 50% joking.

Vote: khaan

Will put down reasons shortly, but this isn't a random vote.

This post:

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Got tired of people wanting to lynch me for rp'ing.

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khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:

- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched

This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.

Apologies for being AWOL. Typical weekend for me, unfortunately. I have read absolutely zero of the thread so far, so vote: Monty for purely random reasons. Will do my best to read and get caught up before end of day.

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Originally Posted by Manasi

Just played a quick game of catchup and I can easily say I'm floored at how active Sooh is on this site.

Good stuff.


Reads coming after coffee.

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i know right

dm too, actually

Doesn't inspire much sentiment. And Khaan has another semi-character here:

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Csargo used taunt! It's a critical hit!
seireikhaan's anger point activated!


Back in my day we didn't have fancy schmancy things like "role reveals" or "information". We voted for people because they ate spicy meatballs and liked it! Nowadays everyone wants to push and shove and pull and prostrate. All you need to solve mafia is your gut and your heart and the Truth!

Vote: Novice for being on my lawn.

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On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game:

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

I don't share no lawn, it's MY LAWN. YOU GIT YOUR OWN LAWN. And then we won't have no troubles, ya see?

On a more serious note, if you want to get into deep conversations and and analysis on day 1, that's... fine, but I'm not too horribly concerned about that yet tbh. Don't get me wrong I'll check back in on day 2+ and compare notes to days after, but I'm not too hot and bothered yet because it's pretty RNG on whether a mafia gets nailed unless they really mess up. Although, on the playstyle bit, I will note that the people from off-site have a bit of a different interpretation of town play on some level to what I grew up with. I'm a bit more used to *everyone* playing relatively close to the vest, yes, even as town. If someone's triggering your scumdar, maybe you poke around, maybe get them lynched off response, but I've never been a fan of these "here's my list, I think people's X, Y, and Z are innocent, people's A, B, and C are iffy, and people's 1, 2, and 3 are scummy".

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But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

This post:



khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:

- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched

This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.

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that is super super weak

clearly it's something he hasn't been doing that much recently either

so i don't think you can either make the case that his not having a character schtick is scummy or that saying why he stopped is

like

that also ignores what people said itt

there have been a lot of newcomers to the org, i'd be unsurprised if some of them were all "cut the rp or we lynch you" type deal

i completely disagree with your reasoning and evidence

but eh

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Apologies for being AWOL. Typical weekend for me, unfortunately. I have read absolutely zero of the thread so far, so vote: Monty for purely random reasons. Will do my best to read and get caught up before end of day.

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Welcome back.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

that is super super weak

clearly it's something he hasn't been doing that much recently either

so i don't think you can either make the case that his not having a character schtick is scummy or that saying why he stopped is

like

that also ignores what people said itt

there have been a lot of newcomers to the org, i'd be unsurprised if some of them were all "cut the rp or we lynch you" type deal

i completely disagree with your reasoning and evidence

but eh

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If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?

Vote: khaan

Will share my actual thoughts later.

Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

This post:



khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:

- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched

This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.

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Does not cover:
A. If he faced pressure/threat of lynch for RP in those games.
B. The possibility of his having played offsite and faced the above.
C. His responding to unfamiliar players by not wanting to potentially draw fire like the above.

Hm?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.

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Votes?:

Novice - 1: seireikhaan
Montmorency - 2: autolycus, BSmith
Manasi - 1: Choxorn
GH - 1: Barto
Sooh - 1: Raith
Raith - 1: Logic
Seireikhaan - 3: Csargo, GH, novice
SV - 2: Jabbz, Montmorency

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?

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could very well be, yeah

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?

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Khaan is not cuth?

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Does not cover:
A. If he faced pressure/threat of lynch for RP in those games.
B. The possibility of his having played offsite and faced the above.
C. His responding to unfamiliar players by not wanting to potentially draw fire like the above.

Hm?

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I was in most of those games and:

a) I don't remember the pressure being that significant.
b) He doesn't play offsite.
c) Can you clarify?

vote:Jabbz

less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town

jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment

What time does this day end

Oh 6pm
Ok I'll be home soon and read

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Originally Posted by Champ

Oh 6pm
Ok I'll be home soon and read

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please

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I was in most of those games and:

a) I don't remember the pressure being that significant.
b) He doesn't play offsite.
c) Can you clarify?

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a. Alright.
b. ^
c. Not knowing a good few of the players, it's possible he was worried about getting attacked if he went fully in character.

What's your opinion on khaan @SeveringViper ?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

What's your opinion on khaan @SeveringViper ?

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Null, might be promising.
He's made two serious posts so far, mostly talking about play style and declaring he's going to be keeping his thoughts to himself.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

vote:Jabbz

less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town

jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment

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Yo. Narrator says votes must also be in RED to count.

host note: round ends in 5 hours.

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Originally Posted by Logic

Yo. Narrator says votes must also be in RED to count.

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Just a heads up that I'm counting it, but yeah. If you want me to miss your vote entirely, with no automatic vote count script, a black vote in a sea of black text posts is a good way to hide it.

Bold, red, use "vote" or "unvote" plz.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I yearn to rely on a stronger will.

I fear what I'm capable of in its absence.

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This counts as an unvote, as per the rules on voting.

This is what I have.

Logic votes Raith
Montmorency votes invalid
BSmith votes Montmorency
GeneralHankerchief votes Seireikhaan
El Barto votes GeneralHankerchief
Champ votes ----
Jabbz votes SeveringViper
Manasi votes ----
SeveringViper votes ----
Novice votes Seireikhaan
Csargo votes Seireikhaan
Autolycus votes Montmorency
choxorn votes Manasi
Cuthillius votes Jabbz
Seireikhaan votes Novice
Raith Kemmler votes Sooh
Sooh votes ----

Seireikhaan: 3 votes
Montmorency: 2 votes
Raith, GeneralHankerchief, SeveringViper, Manasi, Jabbz, Novice, Sooh: 1 vote each
5 non-vote

Let me know if I missed something.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Is just this a volume read and/or do you actually like whatever you have read from me?

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More of a tone read. Haven't had much of an opinion either way on you specifically but I'm a fan of you being around.

What was a joke vote for Raith I cannot support with any evidence. He seems rather quiet, but I don't know if that is how he plays on D1, so he gets a pass for now. With what little I have seen from him, I give hime a slight wolf lean.

Both Seireikhaan and Montmorency feel like as good of targets as any, so I'm going to tie it up for the now.
Vote: Montmorency

what do you think is scummy about monty/khaan

in your own words please

Town read on Cuthilius for this, defusing a potential conflict.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

hey manasi

hey champ

do either of you have any new and exciting takes?

wrt the novice discussion, i have a hard time seeing it as directly wolfy that he, theoretically, rands scum and consciously decides to ask people about what their meta is like

like simplest solution there is that he wasn't talking to the org people, but to the rest of the new people, and thus the reason he didn't do it the first time is because he didn't know anyone and didn't feel as comfortable in the environment

i wouldn't say it's particularly towny, but i really don't think it's ai

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

By "my first thought" I meant it was my first thought. It was the first thing that jumped out at me when I was catching up with the first glut of posts in the thread.

You kept going back to it, but on second thought I guess that could just be a natural extension of people responding to you and you furthering the conversation, which is stupid now that I look back on it.

Generally when people/myself say "not aligned" that strictly refers to "they're not mafia together".

I feel like half of the interactions people have been making with me/half the case on me has come down to pedantics, which is a dumb reason to lynch someone but then again I suppose I'm overdue to eat rope so que sera sera. Will try to put down some sick reads in the meantime.

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(My bold). That second thought really should have been thought before making your initial post, IMO...
Still, you're doing some fine backpedalling off a bad case here if you're scum. I think scum would normally tend to be more confrontational and/or defensive in this situation.

Also, I think the statement Generally when people/myself say "not aligned" that strictly refers to "they're not mafia together" is just plain wrong, and not seeing/admitting that shows a townish lack of self-consciousness.

This is a villager posting:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Manasi

Logic - villager for earlier posts. I remember the few in the beginning about their playstyle and their history playing on the site. Also compared to French Rev I think they're definitely playing to their villa game.

GeneralHankerchief - Villager for most things, active and helpful ITT when he's around. Think he has a much higher chance of being a villager than a wolf.

Champ - Ok this is hard. I feel like he'd be a lot more active as a villager but I know that during my first .Org game I was really shocked by the tempo of the game and that was a little discouraging. I would say that Champ is probably one of my lighter scum reads this game.

SeveringViper - I read this dude like I would try to read Zack and I'm at like 51% chance he's a villager. I know they've been really active as well I just haven't paid nearly as much attention to them. Wanted to include them because I had thought about them as opposed to the other people I didn't mention.

Novice - This is probably a bad read but from what I've skimmed they've been super active so I'm willing to call them a villager. Also their entrance seemed to be pretty inquisitive in that they wanted to know how people played/what they were like (presumably to develop a better read on them).

Csargo - ily

choxorn - Odd push on me inherently. I'm sure it was a joke but I don't think we're on the same level of each other that would encourage joking around kinda play. That might sound weird but it's kinda like, I'd only joke around like that with people I'm good friends with, but maybe Chox is super cool and wants to be buds. For now he's in light scum w Champo.

Cuthillius - Playing exactly how he does as a villager (granted my only recent experience with him is in turbo games but I think he's doing the same stuff).

Sooh - Don't know about alignment but just wanted to say that I like how much she's posting. I think that with the volume read it's hard to not call her a villager, but I'm scared that my village circle is getting too big.




woop

if you want me to find posts lmk

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I like the post in general and I especially like how he has too many town reads and admits it. Creative play if scum.

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Originally Posted by Jabbz

Caught up finally, but still don't have a whole lot of time. I can say from what I've seen that SeveringViper style bothers me. There is a high post volume and they do seem to be engaging, which hints town to me. At the same time, the arguments being made seem to be more shallow shots than meaningful. Basically makes it a crapshoot, but for day one you can't hope for much more than that in my opinion.

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This...is disappointingly shallow itself. I think we've all well established that d1 is a c***shoot and there's little to work with, now do you have anything to add? What do you think of the others that talked?

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

vote:Jabbz

less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town

jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment

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Not a bad vote. I've misread and mislynched Jabbz a lot though, and was hoping to avoid that in this game. He's also maybe the player here who knows me the best, so I was secretly hoping we could form a town block. Doesn't look likely at this point. Anyway I think he's a fine lynch, don't take my misgivings as a defense of him, but I will try to look elsewhere for now.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

To me some of your (Csargo) posts read almost like a defense of me, and that's strange.

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I don't see it. Elaborate? Are you feeling under attack by the way?

As for Seireikhaan, Logic already mentioned his slightly forced vote on me, and Viper nicely sums him up as "Null, might be promising. He's made two serious posts so far, mostly talking about play style and declaring he's going to be keeping his thoughts to himself.".

I've been toying with the idea of suggesting a straight policy lynch of a lurker today because I don't think we have that many reads to go on, and too many lurkers in general on this site. I would have liked to punish the lurker meta.

And then GH makes a case on Seireikhaan, so clearing GH is another possible benefit here.

So that's why I'm voting Seireikhaan currently.
I'll do a list next, but off the top of my head Choxorn and Montmorency also seem like decent lynch candidates. (And Jabbz.)

Fake edit: But first I have to deal with my kids.

that's a good post

you're town

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This...is disappointingly shallow itself. I think we've all well established that d1 is a c***shoot and there's little to work with, now do you have anything to add? What do you think of the others that talked?[/QUOTE]

This is not the response I expected, and I like it for that.

Response tone aside however, I don't see my analysis as shallow, but rather piecing together the limited information on someone who makes my spidey senses tingle. I admit out the gate it's a questionable conclusion, but trying to dismiss the entire set as shallow is kind of weak.

All told though, nice to see you've found your center here, I imagine you will find calm games more entertaining.

Mod, I cut a "]" off that last post at the end of the first line. Would you edit it back in?

oh hey look who's here!

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vote:Jabbz

less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town

jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment

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In my defense, everything I've been doing in game has been slapped together in a minimum amount of time. As I stated early I don't have much time for d1. Final inspection of my house is Tuesday at 2pm though, so after that I'm good. I promise to do better in the future :)

Honestly the only real argument I've made so far was about poking a bear to see his response, so I could see how I look less than stellar. Give it time though please.

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Not a bad vote. I've misread and mislynched Jabbz a lot though, and was hoping to avoid that in this game. He's also maybe the player here who knows me the best, so I was secretly hoping we could form a town block. Doesn't look likely at this point. Anyway I think he's a fine lynch, don't take my misgivings as a defense of him, but I will try to look elsewhere for now.

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I'm liking you so far novice, you seem engaged. With your brother being gone however, I'm not sure if things are the same or different when it comes to reading you, as the interaction between the two of you often gives some information. Time will tell I suppose.

As above, give me some time before you write me off. I've been lynched day 1 the last two games I played in a row. Not adding a third would be kind of nice :p

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oh hey look who's here!

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For like 5 more mins, if you have questions, make them fast and not too deep.

what do you think of monty/khaan wagons: reasoning on them, who's voting them

who do you most want to lynch today

I don't think any day one arguments have much in the way of merit except for on rare occasions where someone slips and does something horribly obvious. Today is not one of those days. I think those arguments as a whole are no more valid or crappy than others. Give what I've seen of their evolution I don't think it is likely that scum are jumping on either, but rather see that one or the other is likely to go down and are staying out of it. This makes me inclined to feel they are both bad lynches, but then again, my entire problem with d1 lynches and reads is that there isn't enough information, so the above is about as useless as anything else.

As to who I want to lynch, I'm pretty much apathetic in that department. I poked Severing to get a response, and didn't get the response I expected. Whether that confirms or contradicts my reading of the individual is yet to be seen, and no I don't care to share that reading at this time. Ask me again tomorrow about this kind of stuff and I'll likely have some different info, but for now that is what I have.

still planning to keep your vote on sev?

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This is not the response I expected, and I like it for that.

Response tone aside however, I don't see my analysis as shallow, but rather piecing together the limited information on someone who makes my spidey senses tingle. I admit out the gate it's a questionable conclusion, but trying to dismiss the entire set as shallow is kind of weak.

All told though, nice to see you've found your center here, I imagine you will find calm games more entertaining.

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And GH never set off your "spidey senses"?

Do you really think I was ever off my center?

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I don't think any day one arguments have much in the way of merit except for on rare occasions where someone slips and does something horribly obvious.

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The merit of d1 arguments (and a number of "meaningless" arguments in general) is that they increase the chance that someone slips. [Yes/No]?

the sirie votes are stupid

First I'd like to apologize for not having been around more today. It's not going to be one of my most active days game wise (seeing as how Manasi and Cuth both have noted that).

I'm going to go through what's new, and then I'll place my vote and probably go to bed if nobody has any immediate questions.

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I don't see it. Elaborate? Are you feeling under attack by the way?

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He was defending or rather arguing that my commenting on D1 play (what Viper said I shouldn't do since the question wasn't for me) was completely innocent and had no influence on your response. When I read it it looked like a defense of what I did. And no, I don't feel under attack.

That being said, I didn't like Vote: GH 's reason for suspecting Khaan. It's very reachy IMO.