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Actually, best thing for the "town" would be to revive me, you would actually start seeing dead chaotics. I mean, if some one actually bothered to read my "death" and the posts afterwards then it would simply be a no brainer that I should be revived a.s.a.p ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
Say, how did Renata end up forming a posse to do her bidding? I missed the sign-ups, apparently.
She's either scum, or just found a couple of faction allies, but it's a very good point. No information about herself has been revealed and she can't be doing that in private by the rules. Though I think taking strategic advantage of the first failed MRD lynch helped, with choxorn, Zack, myself etc... being other Innocents she and Romanichine or whomever else tried to slip in and take control of the night actions. But really, nobody else should be doing Renata's bidding, there isn't a great reason to trust her and she's lied more than me this game for instance, I'm amazed that someone like mythmonster even tried. I'm willing to give her a shot at being Innocent (and Believer or Roman or a couple folks allied with Renata because they have faction scan info and alliances in private) but you know I've been after that for a couple days.
But don't act all high and might B_Ray, you've already gotten one Innocent killed for factional gains and are hiding scan results of your own, especially vital info on the Cosa Nostra faction, and that's on top of whatever info you passed around about your old Monty Python role without even backing me up on my obviously true claim now.
Actually, I am going to throw my hat into the ring, I am highly suggest people take a good look at it.
I want you to carefully read this passage:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Have you noticed it yet? What was Beskar's reaction? What was Beskar saying? Does that mean...! ?
I mean, I did everything I could within the rules, and it was glorious. I did a wonderful reply, I did amazing things, and what happened? Why wasn't a chaotic killed?
Yes, that is right, you have been fooled at the start.
Perhaps you need the truth, some one with the right answers. Perhaps should lick your lips and open your message inbox to the great host, and the first thing that should be on the tip of your tongue is this:
Beskar
You want to get away from this choatic town leadership, put power in the hands of some one who knows what they are doing and will deliver real accusations and showing real results.
Do you want your name listed as "Winner" and not "Loser" ?
There is one name that can solve that for you, and more.
Beskar
Get writing that pm and get that name revived, because you don't just want it, you sorely need it.
Trust me, you will get your credits back and more, it will be known as AskthepizzaguyII-gate.
You had already heavily bet on Earthling (Probably with the intention of showing to the town that you couldn't be scummy because you were voting for the same guy who was - supposedly - lynched). Then the Earthling bandwagon started losing gas up to the point where it seemed that myth might be able to overtake Earthling in credits. myth then said he preferred to die instead of Earthling. Earthling was the perfect lynchbait and since his bandwagon was losing gas, you used myth's post, which showed nothing out of the ordinary, to make one of the most extremely scummy post I have seen: You simply put a frowning smiley and changed your bet to myth, nonetheless lowering your bet amount. There is nothing in that post that would make a person who bet 40 credits on Earthling change the vote. You're a mafioso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Hey, I'm not pretending to be saintly, but I'll make a couple clarifications. I never claimed YLC was a factional rival; he just wasn't on my faction. I don't see the point in publicly announcing scan results when they don't prove anything about the player's actual alignment; all it's likely to do is get players vigilanteed. Unless you see some way that it will actually help the town win? And I don't know what you're trying to imply in the last bit. I never knew any Python members before I got killed (on the first night) so there's nothing about them I could have shared. Why was I supposed to back you up as a member of my current faction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
You knew I was Python because I claimed things that should have only been knowable through the Python faction PM, like the Python's enemies being Dark Falls and Bizarro. It was the same thing Blackadder did to help MRD for no reason, and then he disappeared and died, but at least he was honest and maybe you could say honorable about it, helping his former Bizarro team.
But really, YLC wasn't even a rival of yours now? When people make scummy, terrible arguments all around, they can't all be scum, but you're killing the town here. It would be hugely beneficial to know which players are of which factions publicly at this point, could explain a lot of votes/night actions/whatever based on factional vengeance and would narrow down where chaotics could be. Otherwise, we go into like one possible endgame - the remaining chaotics, and a big faction or two like South Park or this Cosa Nostra who had the fortune of none of their guys dying, duke it out for total victory, and the rest of us are completely defeated.
Beskar for the record I do agree with the suggestion you might have been one of the killers (chainsaw) as a neutral and could be a powerful role to revive or know the identity of a chaotic that killed you, but have no credits or connections to get it done, and our reviver still might be better off bringing back an evil character at least (they could also just continue to try and straight out revive faction allies alone)
Huh? Where you digging things from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
At least the second half looks very plausible, but there is far more than that. Trust me, I am on a warpath, and the game is called "The Revengening", you will be seeing a lot of dead anti-mafia with my revival. What would reviving a no-body do when you have one of the best mafia players with the keys of victory for the mafia-faction in his hands?
If you look back, perhaps you might actually re-see when I role revealed, I don't remember chainsaw's being involved at all.
For free:
I will throw in an ingame behind the scenes game analysis to why the mafia ('townies') majorly screwed up and why and how Dr. Beskar will lead them to salvation.*
*Free when I am not gagged by rules (ie: revived) and not post-game when it becomes obvious.
Forget about Beskar and revive me and i will promise you a terror campaign against the chaotic. I simply dot understand why you people dont take the credits and lynch Renata. The hit on Greyblades doesnt seem to be based on anything other then to an wish to get one more player dead and out of the way. Dont vig Renata but lynch her and get some credits.
I will revive you myself Kage when I get revived. I need some one I can trust as a partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
How about that? Two revives for the price of one.
I say we revive Seon.
Don't want to wear out the shrugging image now do we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
But yes, I for one have been quite clear that Renata needs a full role reveal or I'm not trusting her, she still ignored me in public here since Day Four, but she needs to either fess up to all the faction rivalry business she must be doing if Innocent...or she's not Innocent. Looking back at Day Five actually appears incredibly sneaky to me now because she seemed to try to bring a serious case on mythmonster, and really if scum she would have abandoned me to the wolves entirely and we both mutually knew that as I messaged her about it, so when I thought she was seriously going to try to get mythmonster lynched it was maybe mistaken townie reasoning but she'd have to be townie to not go after me. The fold-unvotes by Renata and Roman and me actually getting the lynch look bad in retrospect though, together they went from 50 credits on mythmonster and mythmonster being lynched, the person they were openly campaigning against, to almost none (only 5) of their own credits and everybody else's credits wasted. Yet Renata didn't count on the fact that both me and her didn't know I could survive a lynch and continue to denounce her another day, because I really thought I would die in a lynch that day and told her that too she probably only planned for that contigency. :laugh4:
Which reminds me especially with the other player curiousity's of Greyblades/dead people whatever that Renata is definitely of the Space Mafia faction, I might as well reveal it publicly now, it feels like the right thing to do, she was faction scanned Night Three and the result should be from a correct source, the only way it's not is if she bus-drivered herself or has a cover role or something. A fair number of people should have known this in private and Renata was supposed to have a fair chance to explain her motives but it's not happening, and if Believer or Roman or whomever are faction allies they are stonewalling it too.
I do think the death of Jolt (a powerful, semi-killer on her own faction) spooked her too and that sparked some changes in plans since before that night. She also seems to want to imply that while the Bizarros want the Spacers dead it's not mutual (so the Space faction would have 2 different enemies) which is interesting and something we desperately need to know about all the faction balance, if there are non-mutual rivalries going on. Again all we know for sure are the Pythons and Bizarros mutually hating each other, we Pythons find Dark Falls too Dark, and the Bizarros don't like Space. But all of this needs to be getting public soon.
To do list:
Revive Beskar and Kage
Bet all credits on Renata.
(If I don't die. If I do, I have sent instructions to people I trust).
Also, can I ask whether I can post PM's from other people in the thread and in other PM's?
I was looking forward to updating this when I got home from work, only to be called in to work again that same night, and I work even earlier tomorrow.
This is all very embarrassing, and I apologize.
Sure, you can quote other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
No problems. I logged on and thought, !$@% I'm dead when I had no PM from you, and then I checked the thread and nothing had happened. :P
I know, but I never take this long with my mafia updates, and it is holding up people who want to host after me. This game was a bit ambitious for my schedule, as it goes from really not busy with 4 hour shifts to really stupidly busy with 10 hour closing shifts followed by 10 hour opening shifts with little time in betwixt for sleep.
And of course, everyone has to have actions, so it takes 10 times longer than a normal mafia update.
I can confirm that there's a non-mutual rivalry going on, or someone is one big lier without a discernable reason. I won't say more since I prefer to not give up my faction identity as of yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
I will need to be replaced since I just don;t have the physical energy to play a game this complex. Sorry abut that.
You only need to revive me, I will revive Kage. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
I strongly recommend it, then I am not tied down by rules and thus I can fully reveal all the information I have. I promise you at least two anti-mafia upfront on revival.
Then I will also "Lead" the town, alongside with Kage (who is evil) sharing information as we track down other anti-mafia, so then you don't have to worry about me being neutral.
I just hope I'm not dead in the morning. :(
I'm getting very frustrated right about now, both with the people who are constantly trying to undermine me and with the people who are allowing me to take all the flak for what are actions decided on collectively, without saying a word. It is getting extremely old.
And faction rivalries are NOT mutual.
A) I wonder why?Quote:
I'm getting very frustrated right about now, both with the people who are constantly trying to undermine me and with the people who are allowing me to take all the flak for what are actions decided on collectively, without saying a word. It is getting extremely old.
B) Name them.
C) Tell us why we shouldn't vote you. Or at least why I shouldn't. Because I have two suspects at the moment, one of which is you, the other of which I won't name until I get more info.
I thought that was obvious.Quote:
You said "look at his post". Whose post? Auto's or someone else's? What the heck is the big deal about a simple request?
Oh, and if you feel I am acting like a dick, my apologies, but it's the way I post, sorry.
I can live with that.~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I don't actually remember whether your retaliation item came up. I know retaliation items were mentioned here or there in vig considerations, but not in connection with whom. I do know I wasn't the one to suggest you. I wanted someone else,and I can't keep track of everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
More to the point --
1. You yourself suspected mythmonster, or said you did. (And never mind the reasoning is wrong; I'll get to that later.) So do I; I spent half of yesterday trying to get him lynched. There is something psychologically wrong with you taking a supposed aggressive action by me against my top suspect and your only suspect, ever to date, and using it to insinuate nasty motives by me. I'm supposed to be trying to get my suspects killed. That's what townies DO for a living.
2. Similarly your concern for mythmonster rings false considering you suspected him just yesterday of having flat-out lied to you. I don't believe it's ever been said plainly by anyone that he did not, has it? (Correct me if I'm wrong on this one; I've lost track of exactly what's been said.) You don't care about him. It's just a front for your concern about Greyblades.
Your approach to mythmonster is suspect in other ways. First, you obviously had no interest in him whatsoever until he made the comment about having been asked to kill you. You folded your Earthling bet (effectively putting mythmonster into the lead, but showing no indication that you cared) prior to MM's comment. When he did say what he did, you put ten credits on MM, with a simple frowny face for explanation. The clear implication of that frowny face is "He was willing to kill me; he must die". The amount, too, (20 less than on Earthling) is consistent with this interpretation. Which is FINE, as just one vote in many. However, you didn't leave it at that.
When you were challenged by me later on the reasoning for your votes yesterday, the rationale for voting mythmonster became more complicated. Now it was "he LIED about not attacking me; I was attacked, he did attack me, but he said he didn't."
Something's wrong here, Greyblades. If I'm to believe this is really what you were thinking at the time, then your vote patterns make no sense for you as a townie. You've never indicated the slightest reason to be suspicious of Earthling, yet were willing to put 30 credits on him. That just above, if you really believed it? HUGE reason to be suspicious of mythmonster. You had him nailed in a lie, didn't you? And you didn't even say so? Your only response was "frowny face, 10 credits (implication it was for being willing to attack you)?" No way. Just NO. Townies don't do that. Townies say "WTF MM you did too attack me, you liar". And they probably put more than 10 credits on it. But they definitely mention the reason for the bet!
Either you were thinking just what you said you were, but were too cautious to bring it up (and you should have no reason to be cautious, *especially* if you really believed you'd been attacked by mafia once already); or you were never thinking it at all and just thought it sounded better than "I voted him because he wanted to vig me." Both are dishonest.
And I'd like to continue on to your current dropping of mythmonster as a suspect at all, apparently also without reason, but I'm not 100% sure it was never said anywhere that he was not the only person set to attack you that night (which he wasn't; and there's really no reason to believe regardless of MM's alignment that he'd have anything to gain by telling such a lie, so the whole rationale is off in the first place, but whatever), so never mind.
Because as I've said once or twice before, I don't suck at this game. I can find mafia if given the chance. And so far I haven't had much of one. The only person I've ever truly suspected who is dead now is MRD. Every single other person I've ever put forth for lynch or vig or roleblock, or just plain been willing to see as collateral damage -- you, Greyblades, ACIN, mythmonster, Link (even Earthling if you want to throw in my confused relationship with him) -- is still alive. None of the vigs have gone through. ACIN and mythmonster were not lynched. It would be one thing if my record of accusations was a mile long list of dead townies, but almost all there is is living unknowns. There is no reason for me to be getting the level of grief that I am getting for just trying to play the game. If I am wrong about everyone on that list I will hang up my freaking scum-hunting shoes and go home, but there is no way that I am. I am not that bad at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
I'd rather they named themselves. But some of them are obvious enough. Zack, before he died. Shlin. God Emperor. Jolt was one of the vig volunteers (and Earthling is wrong; I didn't know his faction) but wasn't otherwise told much -- I gave him the case against mythmonster the last night he was alive in hopes of persuading him off Earthling onto MM instead, but I don't know what he actually did. Ditto mythmonster, who was told nothing at all but whom to attack (and who was expected to fail, against Link). For that matter almost all of the plans were expected to fail, individually, but I had hoped there'd be something to show for it by now based on cumulative odds if nothing else.Quote:
B) Name them.
I won't apologize for trying to get you vigged. You and mythmonster were my top suspects and I stand by that.Quote:
C) Tell us why we shouldn't vote you. Or at least why I shouldn't. Because I have two suspects at the moment, one of which is you, the other of which I won't name until I get more info.
It's really really not, and if it's something important I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd just spell it out.Quote:
I thought that was obvious.
Lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
How many of your would-be teammates are on your list?
My list, rather.