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This 180° turn is odd. And very unusual for you, Kage. Are you, by any chance, scum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Could be because my whole theory got trashed. It is not as if it would have been wise to vote for Yoda /Chaotix now do you think? I think Atheotes could have a point there. Maybe the whole start of the game fiasco is based on that a) Jedi´s play so badly that they look scummy and b) All the information behinf scenes are handed out with too light reasonings, while c)The pro town roles are way to hasty to reveal themselves.I guess now all the remaining jedi masters are out in open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
So this could leave us with situation that the Sith have nothing to do with any networks and they are just laughing themselves blue while town does their job for them, while they remain hidden.
It's just that I would have thought you'd have continued to insist on lynching Pizza, since everybody happily keeps giving him info knowing that he's recruitable by the Sith. That's the kind of stubborness I'm used to from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
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I am disappointed that you had investigative powers and still did not test your theory of me being mafia :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
That would be metagaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Im stubborn to the point when i still believe myself to do the right thing.This isnt first time i have admitted being wrong. Pizzas actions speak volumes about his current situation.Basically he was trying to get himself lynched so Chaotix could have remained hidden.That is something only pro town would do.Also now that Chaotix is out in the open.Pizza doesnt carry anything too dangerous with him. Still like i said before.I beg you people.Think before you share any vital information to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
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Originally Posted by Kagemusha
What's bothering me is that, for all the talk about "we're not doing townie networks" there are apparently people working together behind the scenes, among them those against townie networks.
I'm not going to organise stuff in terms of night actions, but from now on, my pm box is open if people want to discuss things in private with me or want to reveal information to a confirmed innocent.
TinCow and GH are in need of attention.
Hello everyone. I have a serious post for a change, yay.
- I've been sitting on the sidelines for a while because I've had my trustworthiness dragged through the mud a bit, a lot of that was my fault, and some of it was me being exposed as recruit-able. It's not been a good game for me. So, I've had some time to think and watch this fiasco unfold.
- I've recently been scanned as Not-Sith by a guy who just got murdered by a Sith, and there was no recruitment since. So I have some of my credibility back, so hopefully you will listen.
- The current track we are on is dumb. I think you'll all agree it's dumb. We've, in the past few rounds, successfully shot ourselves in the foot, the other foot, and somehow and inexplicably, a third foot.
- Our discussion is too focused and too voluminous and we're all basically focused on one or two candidates and the usual suspects have turned out to be useful, not scum.
- Meanwhile, certain folks, a good chunk of the players, are sitting on the sidelines laughing their butts off at our misfortune and self-destruction.
- It's time for a change. Tomorrow, we need to do a new plan, a new strategy, a new tactic.
Somewhere among the passive, non-resistant, compliant players lurks the mafia scum who are enjoying the present cluster. Don't know where they are. But, like a dolphin being caught in a tuna net, we should be able to catch them if we cast a wide enough net and put pressure on several stinky fish at once. We might have more to discuss, and we might have more to analyze, and we might have more divergent opinions, had we a good 8-10 potential candidates instead of one or two random ones.
Do I expect we will lynch a scum right away using this method? No, maybe not right away. But, out of those 8-10 candidates, one or more likely to be scum, we might get 2 or 3 votes on a scumbag. And, with a margin of 1 or 2 votes between candidates, it might put some pressure on the mafia to actually pay attention, and place a vote in a defensive fashion to keep himself or his scumbag teammates alive. Even if they don't, they will have to end up on the record with a more divergent vote than "one of the 12 votes against player J" which is a little difficult for me to analyze. And we might just get lucky and vote a scumbag and they might have to let said scum eat the lynch so the others don't get exposed. Remember, all those things you fear the most when you're a mafioso in other games? Having to choose between defending a teammate or letting them die? When there's 8 votes on a townie, you're not as worried!
I also don't see why we have so many posts per round when we don't have more than a couple candidates to choose from, which effectively scrub the town clean of all pro-town roles. The pro-towns will claim and the mafia will not flinch and maybe not claim a role, or maybe they will and we've established a pattern of letting them live. Gonna be tough to catch mafia this way, there's nothing to analyze and once the bandwagon is there, the mafia can go back to sleep because they couldn't reverse it anyway and they probably don't want to.
So, in summary, I recommend putting together a list of 8-10 different suspects, people who have had less pressure on them all game, and who have been passive, quiet, compliant followers, just posting enough not to be WOG'ed, who haven't made many waves or made too many controversial decisions. You know, the "TevashSzat in Godfather III" middle-of-the-roaders. Put some pressure on them. Get them discussing and voting and slightly worried they might get lynched. Then, we get a good 8-10 different people to each place a nomination vote on said suspects. Don't put more than a few votes on any given candidate, no massive wagons. Get a discussion going, get people to defend themselves, and after a little bit, and after people have weighed in, then decide as a group and put the lynching votes on a candidate. If you want I can give you a list of 8-10 candidates which I feel could use some extra scrutiny. Or, you could assemble a list yourselves, do what you like.
That's my proposal.
I don't know. A different process than the one we have now. What we're doing right now is lowering our collective IQ and helping the mafia win. This plan will not be worse than what we are doing now, and, we will have different suspects and a possibility of meaningful discussion and maybe forcing some participation from certain people. It's clear what we are doing is fail, so let's switch tactics. Anyone in favor of this just do so next round, or comment now.
I think Pizza is making lot of sense.Infact im already compiling such a list after i learned the error in my ways from my actions earlier this day phase.Unvote. A Very Super Market, what brought you in this day phase? You have total of 2 posts in this game,both from this day phase while you abstained in your vote. Avoiding WOG are we?
Scummy vibe:
White_eyes:D- Suspicious, because he's not commenting as much. He has 4 posts all game. Townie White_Eyes:D freaks out and wildly accuses people for no reason and is paranoid to a fault. Here, he's calm, reserved, and quiet as a mouse. That means he's scumbag to a degree of like 75% certainty.
pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.
Joooray- You've been scum a lot recently and you like to sneak by, and you're darn good at it too. 7 posts? You can do better.
Yaseikhaan- A master of lurking, especially as scum. Because it's your usual thing, you have a pass to do it over and over. You could stand a little more scrutiny.
autolycus- I know you've been more active and outspoken in other games.
Jolt- Feels like you're just slipping by.
Greyblades- Not a big splash so far.
Thermal Mercury- Gone are the days when you rivaled me in post count. When did YOU become so quiet? :inquisitive:
Lurking too much:
A Very Super Market- He always does this, but this is even worse than usual. He seems to be avoiding the WOG intentionally.
Lord Winter- WOGbait in other games. He has exactly one post so he should be rightly booted out soon, and if he's not, he should be lynched.
Yaropolk- 7 posts?
Centurion1- 4 posts?
So I'd put some of these fine folks to death soon. Not sure who I'm going to nominate but I will probably pick one of these.
Yaseikhaan would be a very good vote. If we can get enough votes. :bow:
I still maintain the hypothesis that everyone is susceptible to conversion with the exception of the Grand Master and Initiates, based mostly on investigation results we've been privy to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
It's funny that this contradicts what Beskar told me of his own role, which was something along the lines of "can defeat all Knights and most Masters"... it would suggest that the person killing the Jedi Masters is the Sith Lord himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
My suspicions of Niklas have been satisfied by his in-thread responses and some private discussion.
Unvote; Vote: 'khaan
I am willing to entertain this line of investigation.
Town never listens to me....So, I have nothing to add:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
And I don't really have any proof of anything to clear my name...I also get the vibe that people in the first round were trying to get me to "spill the beans" like in "Rift War".:stare:
So, I must change my playstyle to suit a more "not-so-jumpy mafia player":wink:
I'm on vacation this week and doing all my reading form a blackberry. I don't intend to get more active than this. I'll Vote: Lord Winter for previously stated reasons (He's got a sith lord name built in!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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Originally Posted by TinCow
I'm starting to find you suspicious.
I agree with most of ATPG's analysis, apart from:
Or it might suggest that he has a pro-town role. :juggle2:Quote:
pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.
To reprise my earlier role:
Vote:AVSM
I'm not going to continue pushing for someone's lynch when they have given good and logical responses to all my accusations. If that makes me suspicious, so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Remember my big post in Mafia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
Yeah. I used to hang out in the top 5 posters. I'm working my way back up to that, hoping to reach it by the time Settlement 2 comes along, where I'll be taking the ferry over to shelbyville, because I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I had to take the ferry to morganville, which is what we called Shelbyville in those days. I had an onion tied to my belt, because it was the style at the time. We couldn't get white ones because of the war, so I had a big yellow one. Anyway, back then the ferry cost a nickel. "Gimme five bees for a quarter" you'd say.
Anyway, the important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, since it was the style at the time.
Why are you avoiding my questions, Psychonaut? You were all about pressuring Beskar to reveal his investigation results, but you don't even want to say what your investigation *is*.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
I think I forgot this earlier:
unvote: vote: Psychonaut
Pizza's suggestion is just simple good sense in general, but the way things are going I don't think I'll have reason to move my own vote any time soon.
Psycho claimed Obi-Wan, said he forwarded his results to Chaotix and Chaotix aka Yoda didn't call Psycho a liar who needs to be lynched...Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
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I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.
Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.
No, we've never shared all information. We crossed paths on a few things, and I believe we all know each others' roles at this point, but that's it. Most of it is just us all being on MSN at the same times and so naturally talking about the game rather a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Unfortunately the answer remains Beskar.Quote:
I asked this question in one of the first rounds before: who was the most careless with information? That's probably your leak.
I have no especially bad vibes about Diamondeye, but he needs to be, erm, encouraged to talk a bit more than he has. He's on MSN too, but hasn't been chatty.Quote:
Getting bad vibes from TinCow and Diamondeye. Mostly Diamondeye. Somebody should do a reread on him. EDIT: nothing wrong with Diamondeye's previous posts; bad vibes are coming from his last post only I think.
Not talkative per se, but his position on Beskar was rather hard to miss.Quote:
GH hasn't been very talkative either in this game.
Forgive me if I'm a little bit unconvinced of Chaotix' good judgment at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
My issue with his ability is not the results per se, though I may yet ask for them also; it's the lack of information on what the power even is. The way he's presented it is nonsensical and on its face looks like he's presented it as something other than what it really is. He keeps saying he's verified whatever roles are in the game, but the vast majority of them are PUBLIC information. What *is* his ability?
Vote: AVSM forgot to vote him when i unvoted Renata.
@ ATPG
Perhaps a combination of hosting this and this, as well as this, not to mention playing t h ese games and still observing o t her games, whilst promoting mafia at the TWC, as well as adding to my workshop plus discussing here and here, not to mention reviewing AAR's and interviewing people, along with blogging and rating, has something to do with it... :juggle2:
What gives you that vibe on TinCow? Just that one post you referred to, or is there anything else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
You don't remember GH voting Beskar each round?
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Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.
Also DE you're at least the third vote on AVSM, which isn't exactly sharing the joy (what Pizza actually advocated).
And he would give himself up by that? I think we should drop everything concerning Beskar for a moment and look in other directions.As the whole Beskar affair has cost us enough already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
"And he would give himself up by that?"
I don't know what you mean by this. My comment was directed at Diamondeye's statement that GH had never joined the major discussions. He may not have said much, but he certainly made himself heard on the Beskar issue, at least.