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If you were a real pirate you'd know that pirate captains aren't put on a pedestal. They're like an nfl quarterback. One of the guys, nominal leader, they play well then great, but if they throw 5 interceptions then you toss him out unless you're the panthers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
And yes, there's a mismatch between taking serious night actions and just playing in the thread. Disingenuous.
Why would Woad make such an obvious connection to a suspicious person if he was scum?
Yarrr will be forgivin' me if I don't sit around on a barrel of ale with a thumb in me buttocks while good men I be workin' with fer years die at the hands of traitors, laddie. But there's no law that says I can't have fun while I'm doing it. Not that I'd listen to such a law anyway. Being a pirate is more than just plunder, it's also enjoying the act of plunderin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Arrr. This sasaki be talkin to much, an afer all that rum las' night I be gettin a 'eadache.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
To shut the blighter up.
Now... a bit of the hair o' dog to clear up this 'ere 'eadache...
He sent that before LG came under big suspicion. And I'm hoping LG was the british special officer, but then again I'm an optimist :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Winter
And how did those who be in ye group contact ye? Did they come forward after ye asked for men to help ye kill LG? Or did ye go to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
A wise captain I be, and takin' into account all factors when deciding whom to trust and whom not to trust.Quote:
Inconsequential. No way to confirm their participation. Participation in a prot group should not be used as evidence in anyone's favor.
CR
Nvm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Given the lack of any kill that is identifiable as mafia (even the solos could have been vigilantes), participation in any group last night is proof of absolutely nothing. Since they weren't killing, some of the mafioso could easily have been legitimately joining in groups.
However, I am not overly concerned about the vig kill on LG. LG was a likely candidate for the lynch today, so his loss is acceptable under the circumstances. In addition, vigilante kills don't change a townie into a scumbag like they do in Capo, so simply participating in a vig kill isn't something worth lynching someone over IMO.
Vote: ChaotixQuote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
How did you get 100 gold, when a successful protection only awards a total of 30, which is then divided up amongst all the protectors?
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Originally Posted by The Rules
No, it gets 30 divided among the participants. I take chaotix's post to be a typo (should be 10). If you got 15 then someone skipped out of your group?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Both. Also, I was going to be part a group started by someone else attacking a protected target, but we went for LG instead.Quote:
And how did those who be in ye group contact ye? Did they come forward after ye asked for men to help ye kill LG? Or did ye go to them?
Or he could have just read how much gold he had. Oops. :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Yarrr, I be pointin' out that a group that didn't end up saving a life also nets you gold. But I'm mightily interested in what Chaotix meant by "100" gold. Perhaps he meant to say "10", but I can't speak fer him.
Now yer talkin'. :pirate2:Quote:
If you got 15 then someone skipped out of your group?
Next time, let the suspect answer instead of giving him a spoon-fed excuse. :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I'm not concerned about chaotix. He would have claimed typo in any case, and it doesn't follow as a mafia slipup. Why would he think he supposed to get 100 gold?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
But yes, I'm focused on someone else right now...this is distracting us from woad&fangs...since you like letting suspects answer, how did you like his answer to my accusation (with the picture of the bird).
I be thinkin' that Tratorix should let us know who else was supposed to be workin' with 'im last night, so we can find out who is lying down on the job... or perhaps, just plain lying. Everyone should know, but if it were a problem, he should at least tell the Cap'n.
In good time, me rhymin' friend. I be, hmmm, pursuin' the matter as we speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Update: Turns out I only got 10 for the protection, 3 for voting and 2 for sending in an order. Dead end.
Arent you from Sydney as well? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
It is good if the money is not split three ways if one of the protectors pull out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
there were 2 solo attacks with a difference between them... Lg was able to fight off himself but Centurion needed the protectors. Was it simply because Centurion had protectors, GH decided to put them in the write up even though the attack would have failed anyway?
The 2 solo attackers could be
1. Serial Killer or secret role (Quite possible for LG's attacker if LG was British Special officer and had a % chance of survival)
2. Mafia members with a partner who failed to submit orders (Most likely)
3. vigilantes (least likely because there should be a high chance of them getting killed)
I think no. 2 is most possible and we possibly have 2 inactives each from the maven crew and British.
I also think we can clear 3 people. It would make no sense for the mafia to be committed to a protection group when the chances of that person getting hit is less than 1/40.
please correct me if ("where" is probably more apt :laugh4:) i am wrong :bow:
Still doesn't matter. Hmm maybe your right, he deserves the lynch but that doesn't mean you can make a quick buck off it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
YARRR!!! That led me to an interesting discovery, as I rechecked my own gold totals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Know this, crew and Cap'n, I got the full 10 last night, when there were to be a group of four. I can account for the rest of me gold, the starting gold, and I can account for the extra three being my votin' gold.
Someone in me team didn't send in thar orders.
EDIT: NEVER YE MIND, forgot about the 2 for sending in the orders....
The way to make money in this game is protection groups. You get the money even if the person isn't attacked. A 5 man kill group (8 gold) that might fail isn't really "making a quick buck".Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Winter
Are you sure you didn't forget the 2 gold for sending in an order? With a 4 person group it should be 8,8,7,7 gold for the 4 with the 8 going to those who submitted orders first.Quote:
YARRR!!! That led me to an interesting discovery, as I rechecked my own gold totals.
Know this, crew and Cap'n, I got the full 10 last night, when there were to be a group of four. I can account for the rest of me gold, the starting gold, and I can account for the extra three being my votin' gold.
Someone in me team didn't send in thar orders.
Pizza, you also got two gold for simply submitting a night order, regardless of success.
Yarrr... it makes sense now.
Come to think of it, could we catch a traitor that way? In order to disguise their movements, the Mavens and the Brits would likely need to follow orders and merely recruit, if they could get caught by a careful count of the gold each night. Somethin' isn't adding up, and I don't just mean my own bad math skills.
This is a really great way of encouraging participation, BTW. I approve. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
@Sasski, true I'm just uncomfortable with townies killing townies at this part of the game.
Can the captain's first Mate not also perform a solo kill? Yarrr....Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
The 2 single attackers to me seem like mafia hits. First one had protection so the attack failed. The second one, mafia hit 1st, if some players have luck like in capo, then the second hit, was VA kill and only 1 of 3 protectors showed.
@ Louis VI
I was in a protection group last night, to answer your question some posts back, confirmed by Pizza.
IC:
* Itchy Lou wakes up hungover*
Me mouth is as dry as the desert, wher's me rum.
*takes a drink from his rum bottle*
Yarrr, wher's me parrot too, here pete, where the +=$# are ye.
* Itchy Lou only finds one long tail feather*
Well, I'm not sure, but I think even random kills by townies lead to a higher chance of victory. At least in a game without two factions that's true. In those games, the mafia get to kill two townies, and the town has a chance at lynching a mafia. 3 people die a round. So, if the town vigs for three nights straight, they get one less lynch. But that's 3 shots at mafia compared to one, good for town. And LG was a very good suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Winter
It's possible Louis tried to kill grizz, yes. Although the solo attacker got defeated rather easily in the writeup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Just got on my computer. Can someone tell me who we are all bandwagoning on today so I don't have to read 5 pages?
Woad&FangsQuote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
And Diana, we don't know if it's possible yet for anyone to be confirmed to have been in a protection group.
Plus, being confirmed by one other person doesnt mean a whole lot.
Not until proven innocent. :beam:
Fine, do you like the word, vouch for, better. Was just answering the question, Louis posted, myself, as well.
Sasaki, would you stop shooting down anything anyone says? Your not exactly stimulating discussion. And what is your case against W&F's exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I didn't mean to shoot her down, but we can't go off the assumption that someone is "confirmed" or "accounted for" because they were in a townie group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
And my case against W&F's was posted earlier, if LG was mafia woad is likely his partner. It's been some time since I accused LG in the thread and his partners haven't shown up, even with his threatened vig killing and woads threatened lynch. It's worth taking a shot at crippling one of the mafia factions.
-edit-
I really feel that we are not in a "random vote, it's just round 1" phase.
Yes but I, on the other hand, was also notably active during that time. I also have no life...Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Yarr, you scurvie dogs calling my name, you're going to end up with a peg leg down ye gullt! I'm looking at you Princess. I looked at me paycheck and I see that it lists all the dubloons I have so far, not how much I earned that day. If Chaotix lists 100, then he's still where he started. Methinks his partner was off polishing his peg leg if you get me drift HAR HAR HAR! vote Woad&Fangs
Are we sure we will get money even if we dont have the required number of people for protection?
from the rules:
It looks like none of the 3 receive any money rather than 2 of them splitting it...Quote:
30: Amount awarded for successfully protecting an individual, divided up evenly among protectors (if treasure is left over, the remainder goes to those who sent in orders earlier)
Yaro, even if one of the Chaotix's partners failed to protect, Chaotix should have more than 100 gold because he voted to select the captain...:juggle2:
Let's say a protection group has three people, and somebody skimps out on their order, but the target is not attacked. The two people that still submitted the protection order will still only get 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
thanks for the clarification :bow:
what happens if the target is killed and the 2 protectors survive? they will not get anything because the protection effort was unsuccessful?
Correct, they won't get anything (save for the 2 gold from submitting a night order).
K, no one else replied to my post with a different name so I will just follow you blindly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
vote Woad&Fangs
Please people, a little faith in my ability... I wouldn't have jumped into centre stage so quickly in the game If i really didn't want to be there...
Im not allowed to discuss my role ect. now im dead...
W&F is a wasted lynch, lynching the person killing and organising murders is probably a better idea...
Im now in Pirate land (hevaen/hell) where im scrubbing the rafters to try and boost my meagre funds...
Thanks for the Game GH, I enjoyed it, ill keep watching...
I missed my orders by 20 min. Luckily who I failed to protect didn't get attacked.
Me tinks that dog Sasaki have his fevered head right on tis mornin'. That Bilge drinker, LittleGrizzly has more or less confessed in his last statement. I say; let the cat o' nine tails dance on that woad&fangs' back before we serve him up for Davy Jones' locker.
vote: woad&fangs
I guess he well be the first to walk the plank:whip:
Vote: woad&fangs
I remind everyone to not totally trust shipmate, Sasaki "The Plotter" Kojiro. He has that name for a reason....:brood:
Yarrrr! Argh!!!
Could you just shut up for a minuate, all ye drunkards?
I say Sasaki is the man we should follow! Thnx to him, I earned gold last night! And I took it from that Britisch scumbag, LittleGrizzly!
What has Crazed ever done for us? And his lackey officers?
Ha, that wimp Louis came begging to me last night: boohoohoo, protect me, oh please protect me, boohoohoo. A real pirate doesn't need protection! And Captain Crazed? What did he do? "Oh, protect poor little Louis! He can't protect himself! Boohoohoo!"
I want real men, like Sasaki to lead us. The only real officer we have right now, is Sigurd. Louis and Crazed are wimps!
Ye both grow some hair on your chests or mutiny it will be, says I!
Vote : woad&fangs
Because the REAL captain says so!
Yarr!
Even if I don't trust Sasaki very much, I trust what the cap'n or his mates say. And that be some mighty condemning evidence on the accused there, ye scum have anything to say about it?
Vote: Woad&Fangs
Yarrr... I'm keeping my peepers on A1_Unit, but in the absence of better suspects, I agree that LittleGrizzly's group should have shown up to defend him by now. And LittleGrizzly knowing somehow that woad&fangs is a wasted lynch doesn't make sense to me. Even an investigator wouldn't know for certain that woad is innocent.
unvote, vote: woad&fangs
Thar be no other leadership in sight, and no better case being made.
Vote : woad&fangs
He seem to not be scummy to me he must be a navy man
I fer one be not followin' the leadership of Sasaki.
Vote: Abstain
Takin' such faulty evidence and runnin' with it.... God help us all.
He may be right.... But I do not approve.
why we voting for woads&fangs?
bah, whatever, Badnwaggonin's the Pirate's way! YAR!
vote: woads&fangs
You're an incredible mind reader. I guess you also knew that after you posted LG's PMs that he would first claim they were fake, and then admit that they were real? Sometimes mafioso hang themselves. Do us all a favor and don't take the rope away before they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I didn't like it at all, and he is indeed the best candidate right now.Quote:
But yes, I'm focused on someone else right now...this is distracting us from woad&fangs...since you like letting suspects answer, how did you like his answer to my accusation (with the picture of the bird).
Unvote: Vote:woad&fangs
Are you proposing that we should be randomly vig killing people every night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
So taking a chance on weak evidence and fluking out deserves respect! Ha! Seems to me that Sasaki and his bunk mates be wishing to mutiny and kill our good captain. I don't think fighting for control of the ship is what we should be doing at this point in time.
FoS: Sasaki
Vote: Andres
I thought you don't get the money of those you kill?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Your group gets 40 gold if you kill, that's 10 more than ye get for protecting!Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Thanks to Sasaki, I earned more!
(inner voice: but you have to share with more people - shut up!)
Ye avatar looks suspiciously similar to that of DisgruntledGoat :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
The crew is busy investigating, organising, protecting, and torturing parrots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
More importantly, I believe you came to me last night, looking for a job? After which I provided you with several options for protection groups looking for idle hands?
So, Andres comes fishing for a vigilante kill group to me. I provide him with a whopping three options for protection groups. Andres doesn't take up any of them. Instead, he kept looking until he did find a vig group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Oh - and I 'carelessly' let know that I wasn't protected indeed. Wimpyness? Or me using the rogue town/vig group/maven grapevine to lure the more bloodthirsty members of the crew/maven into the open?
So you're a bit bloodthirsty? Killing people. Calling for more killing. Bragging about the amount of money kills make for the town. Enticing people to start killing too. Calling for mutiny.
Are you sure you are pro-town, Andres? Or is your/Sasaki's kill group simply intent on playing their own agenda, at the expense of the other townies?
Why don't you provide us with the names of the kill squad instead? That our investigators can compare it with who has been killing last night?
who did the kill thats what i like to be knowing. I don't like any killing this early on the voyage, to be sure
I believe most of them already confessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
YLC took too long to give me instructions. CR pm'ed me instructions after I already sent in orders to work with Sasaki's group.
Grizzly was a suspect; he died. Why? He said the pm's Sasaki posted were fake, while they weren't. He was a liar. I don't think we would have had a better lynch option than Grizzly this round. Instead of wasting a round to do an inevitable lynch, we already did what was necessary at night.
Calling you and CR wimps was more roleplaying. In case there comes a mutiny, it will serve as a build up to it and make the game more fun.
"Our investigators" read this thread too. They already know who was in the vig squad on Grizzly.
Yeah, the British and mavens probably don't like it that the pirates are willing to make their hands dirty when they smell something fishy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
I know you are roleplaying, and imma let you finish, but the officers here are engaged in some of the most active and aggressive pursuits of our enemies of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I had to answer the allegations of wimpyness and inactivity. Lest rogue crew members (and the rejoicing mafia) think a mutiny would stand a whiff of a chance.
Aye be lodging me vote.
Vote: Jolt
vote: Andres
who rudely never answered my PM (because he was obviously actively looking for a kill-group vs my "wimpy" proposed protection group).
At what exact time was this? I wouldn't mind comparing it with his PM to me, asking for hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
By the time you answered me, I already sent in my orders and logged off.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
You were too slow, greybeard ~;p
T'was t' exact same PM, sent to recipients:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
at 04:59, my time (GMT -7).Quote:
KukriKhan, Louis VI the Fat, SSNeoperestroika, Yaseikhaan
Andres said this to Louis
and still went on to kill LG because there were no other vigilante groups? :inquisitive:Quote:
I'm open for vig killing to, but can't think of a good suspect (the case agains LittleGrizzly doesn't seem to warrant killing him).
Vote: Andres
Heh. Story of my life, matey!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
So what was/is your motivation for killing on night 1, when any evidence of guilt would, by definition, be flimsy, my lawyerly pal?
Ye have been drinking too much, "Anxious" Andres....I have me full-grown facial hair.:Mr-T:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
01/10/09 Andres asked me for a job at:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
12:59 Andres
Both Andres and my time would be GMT +1. So that's 12:59 - 8 = 04:59. Which strikes me as very odd, since it is the exact same time as Kukri's PM. (My .org is one hour behind my RL time. Probably set on GMT)
I am not sure I worked out the times properly.
Andres, your PM to me and Kukri's PM to you seem to have been simultaneous. You say you had already decided on Sasaki's kill group before Kukri reached you. Had you already decided on Sasaki's kill group before you contacted me?
That is indeed what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
My motivation is in my kill order:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Regarding transferring gold:
I've had several requests do so. This was something I didn't really anticipate when concocting the game, thus I'm going to put the following caveats on it:
- It must be done for services rendered. You're bloodthirsty pirates. You don't give other people money out of the goodness of your heart.
- The services must be publicly available.
- It must be for a small fee. 10 gold or less.
So you and Sasaki and three others were bored, so killed someone - knowing you also had the power to protect someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I sent in my kill order at 15h40 (GMT+2)Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Kukri replied to my pm at 18h32 (GMT+2) and CR sent me his orders at 19h35 (GMT+2). By that time I was already gone (haven't been on the Org yesterday evening). Too late.
I thought doing nothing would be boring, I can't speak for my colleagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
And Grizzly was a liar, not just "someone". I believe that the chance that Grizzly was scum was higher than the chance that my random protection target would be attacked.
what is the need for the protection target to be attacked?
~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Can you please rephrase that question?
Vote: Andres
Trying to kill somebody night one.... how suspicious.
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
EDIT: and confessing it in the thread is even more suspicious, I guess? Djeez, I killed a suspect. That's what pirates are supposed to do: killing suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. You're basically voting me because I've been handling "out of the box", not because you think I'm scum.
When I advocated doing vig kills in Capo III in an early phase of the game, I heard the same stuff; town would never had won that game without a couple of vig hits.
End result is rather irrelevent for the purposes of figuring intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
WIFOMQuote:
EDIT: and confessing it in the thread is even more suspicious, I guess? Djeez, I killed a suspect. That's what pirates are supposed to do: killing suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. You're basically voting me because I've been handling "out of the box", not because you think I'm scum.
Besides, I do out of the box stuff plenty of times. Just not on night one. When townie.
You mean like my night one kill of Quintus, who was nothing but townsperson?Quote:
When I advocated doing vig kills in Capo III in an early phase of the game, I heard the same stuff; town would never had won that game without a couple of vig hits.
There were good reasons to kill Grizzly. There were good reasons not to kill him. I can live with his death. I am not going to lynch a town player over it.
No, what worries me, is a rogue town group forming. We all know this game is a contest between townies as well as between mafia and town. So I consider it my duty to suppress any rogue town group from forming. Sasaki and Andres both openly call for mutiny. Which, however one may feel about it, is waaay too early. They have a vig group. They stubbornly refuse to give names. There are things about Andres PMs that are not cleared up entirely. :whip:
And are we sure they are not infiltrated or about to be recruited by maven/english?
I won't vote the vig group. I do not kill town. But I will be keeping a close watch on them. :pirate:
It wasn't your fault Khaan....I helped and I was "Incorruptible":embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
I am not a fan of a Vig group on day one. We should wait for three days at least before we start killing unless you have some pretty strong "Evidence".:juggle2: