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Just to clarify, this thread has remained within the parameters I set earlier.
Hmmm, this makes the dialogue the socialists and greens and leftielibs insist on wanting to have, but never actually want to have, rather difficult.
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https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...nlinksarab.jpg
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I am sure they have great plans but I can't read that.
getting it already what mr Wilders is trying to do? This isn't being internationally minded, this is exclusion. But sure, no such thing as islamization they say when they are 100% sure there are no critics in the room and the lemmings are bound to cheer.
So eh...
What is the correlation between Islam and foreign languages?
The pool they are fishing from, and most of all catering for their own sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Well...
http://www.geertwilders.nl/
His own site has English as the default language. Wich is odd, since you'd expect that he'd primarily be adressing the people who are expected to vote for him instead of craving for international attention. Say what you want about those electoral posters, they're at least intended to adress voters
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He is the best known politician internationally, of course he has a site in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
He likes to think so, anyway :coffeenews:Quote:
He is the best known politician internationally
Give me one good reason why it's well and good that Wilders' site is primarily aimed at non-citizens and is written in a foreign language, and why it's bad that other parties have a few posters hanging around written in a foreign language meant to adress actual citizens.
I can't read arab. I have no idea what it says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Fair enough.
I agree with Fragony that it should also be written in dutch. Though, what is interesting that the "lefties" and "greens" are trying to get the Islamic vote, as Muslims in a general gense, hold a more conservative opinion, in-line with other religious (christian) factions. It is more likely they are trying to attract support by the association of the right with discrimination against Muslims.
As for Wilders' site, he is probably trying to attract the anglosphere approval (plus the fact majority of Europe also read English, as evident by this board), and thus, trying to appeal to international validity to help support his domestic validity. "Hey - America, UK, Germany, etc agree with me, know I see reason." and this might convince some at home.
Yes that is very weird, it's very weird that the lefties come to the aid of someone who is deeply convinced women should have their eyes peeled at the concrete 24/7. It is very strange that lefties side with every backward aspect of religion. It's called multiculturalism. The absolute conviction that it's the greatest thing ever, amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
It's weird until you realize they are clueless, their dream is dead, all it needs to do is die.
It's easy to say that the "established" parties are way to ambiguous on islam vs. women's rights.
But what hass the PVV done for emancipation of islamic woman, exept proposing a kopvodtaks (i.e. headscarf tax, deliberately phrased to be insulting) and routinely insulting them? :coffeenews:
It's the hight of logic, a party without solutions for a country that doesn't have any problems, makes perfect sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Huh?
Frag, this talk about "multiculturalism"...is it mostly hyperbole and fun poking, or do you seriously believe that every party left of the PVV condones wife beating and such?
It's an ideal they hold on to, nobody wants it. C'est ca.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
how many years have it been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaBdISvaJ64
many
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0rjDvG2TcU
I don't think multiculturalism has failed, necessarily. Lombok is a very good example of a place where multiculturalism hasn't failed. Also, I heard this on BNR News Radio yesterday, there was this mosque in The Hague that everybody hated and didn't want to live close to, then they sold it to an Islamic society who pretty much transformed the building and did some renovation around it and now it's a very popular place, or so I've heard.
Fragony, we should differentiate between addressing people in a foreign language and an invasion of Islam. If there were massive French neighbourhoods, there would be posters in French too, I'd think.
I know Lombok I lived there for two years.
Lived in de Baarsjes and SLotervaart as well, you can't imagine how terrible it is for the elder to be afraid to just go outside, these pests wil rob anything as long as it's helpless, they are like hyena's.
Plenty of creamy white Dutch kids out there that are the same.
@ Frag
You actually lived in those ****** places? Poor you ;)
You should come here Fragony, it is the muslims/blacks/etc are the ones that won't mug you (generally, as they are all respectable professionals of the NHS). Plenty of the shaved head, tracksuit donned, creamy white/faketanned scum of society. The girls are as bad as the boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You know that isn't true, but then again maybe you don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard
No, I know it is, since I live surrounded by them.
Oh common you are just being not being honest here, no creamy white Dutch kid ever gave you any trouble, total bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard
I WAS one of those Dutch kids, dude. I see them trashing buses and bus stops, vandalizing windows and street signs, and harassing people every Friday. Just like I did. There are just as much scumbags in the countryside as there are in the city, and guess what? All of the former are creamy white Dutch kids who go to church every Sunday. It's just that, well, they're white, you know? So it's not a problem. Or a media issue.
Yet being an ass is most certainly not limited to people hailing from Riffian or East Anatolian backwaters (or the Antilles for that matter), no matter what Wilders and his gang want you to believe.
You know what I am talking about and it isn't vandalism. Or did you shoot at the police with AK-47 like in Brussels is common nowadays.
Heh, I doubt the coke-sniffing violent youth of the Dutch Bible Belt is very different from the fellows in 020-Gaza, to paraphrase Geenstijl.
Very different, they aren't very mean, would never kick a grannie in the face, and certainly not kick her in the face after taking her bag. Muslim youth are a problem why ignore that just because the majority isn't.
"Aren't very mean..." Tell that to the mailman who got beat to death, buddy. Why accuse me of ignoring a problem I freely admit is there, anyhow? Why are you ignoring a problem you deny is there?
You don't have a problem, you have an exceptionQuote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard
There is no exception, this kind of behavior amongst rural teenagers is widespread, even endemic throughout the country.
Why the hell would you kill a mailman?
In the memory of Tribesman:Quote:
no creamy white Dutch kid ever gave you any trouble, total bull.
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bollox etc
He told them to stop being loud drunk idiots and got beat to death with an iron pipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
They act out this way because they are scared of Islam, poor little Dutch boys :sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard
A horrible crime, it really stands out, doesn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard
Keep things polite folks. Race/Racism/Immigration and the like can be contentious, so have care.
Can't be avoided given the nature of the thread, I can't make my argument without it being offensive to some, that would be impossible. Maybe reopening this was a bad idea after all, maybe this is better of closed.
Well, it is just that you paint this world where all muslims are evil and all creamy white dutch kids can do no wrong. A detachment from reality where it is not this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
It's a detachment from reality that you think I do, it's the detachment from reality me and mr Wilders have a problem with. There are problems, but because the debate has been hijacked by multiculturalists they aren't to be discussed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
^-- reading for beginnersQuote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Funny, you missed out these quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
And you later started going:Quote:
You know that isn't true, but then again maybe you don't. [in response to that creamy white dutch kids do the same acts you are blaming the muslims for]
No one is ignoring it, you are just painting it that only muslim youth are a problem while everyone else is the wiser.Quote:
no creamy white Dutch kid ever gave you any trouble, total bull.
You must get confused because I go in with a stretched leg, not my problem if that is what you read, I am used to lefties having a conversation with their dogma's when pavlov says DANCE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Funny you should say that, did the Bell at the Mosque just ring? You are salivating again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Edit: Yes, probably a good idea to lock this topic.
Only on friday and mosques don't have bells, I guess you have no idea what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
edit: go Geertje, Halsema of the greens admittingly ain't too bad either https://www.youtube.com/user/hetvrij.../0/bUAwYBtK3W4
Well I have to agree with Beskar, first white kids can't do no wrong and it's only the non-whites, then when pressed suddenly only a portion of the immigrant kids are the problem and beating a mailman to death is an exception.
That's not going in with a stretched leg, that's just backing up and realizing you were wrong.
Can't agree with someone on how other people think. Bringing up a very isolated case and presenting it as an argument is grasping at straws at best, I can bring you plenty statistics of how much more criminal muslim youth is, pick your country and I will deliver np, we all know that is a fact. There has never been a racist murder in the Netherlands, I would go so far that there aren't any serious racist incidents in the Netherlands at all. And yeah, I find it pretty hard to believe white kids ever gave you any trouble. Not for being jewish at least. Why don't you go all orthodox and take a stroll, I give you 10 minutes at best.
:laugh4: Apart from the balant obvious socio-economic divisions, you are now trying to argue they are some-how more criminal. Go to any council estate in the United Kingdom, and get swarmed by creamy white track-suit cladded youth. Funnily enough, even in basically 'all-white' areas, council estates (where the low-income working class/non-working class dwell) has significantly highest crime-rates around. Also, funnily enough, poor immigrants end up in these areas and assimilate into that culture. So any statistics would be like what racists use in America, where they pick all the 'black' people in the poor income ghetto's and compare them to suburban upper-middle class 'white' kids to say they have an evil gene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Wait... what does going orthodox jewish got to do anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Try it, you will love itQuote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Apart from the balant obvious socio-economic assumtions, you are now trying to argue they are some-how more criminal
Fixed
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...s-role-in.html
Psychologist Nicolai Sennels concludes from talks with young suspects of light-crimes that young Muslims see themselves as victims and lack respect for society.
According to Nicolai Sennels there it too much talk and victimization of the individual and too little focus on cultural problems, when the Copenhagen Municipality deals with youth of Muslim background.
Apart from the fact it is spelled "assumption", you are actually incorrect, it is not an assumption, it is a fact. I can guarantee there are plenty of Sociology/related peer-reviewed journals on the matter. Your own ignorance doesn't mean something is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Then do bring up some statistics. Here you go, Google is your friend and statistics prove Fragony is always right about everything:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
An alarming overrepresentation then. What is the reflex of the political-academic class to this? Twofold, both of what Fragony argues: they get their knickers in a twist, and so, firstly, make the unsubstantiated reflexive claim that 'alarming overrepresentation of ethnic backgrounds is 'not due to ethnic backgrounds'. and secondly, they try to 'solve this problem' by finding means to ban registration of ethnicity in crime statistics:Quote:
More than half of young Dutch men with Moroccan backgrounds in Rotterdam have had problems with the police. Their Antillean, Surinamese and Turkish counterparts also figure highly in the latest report on crime in the city. Criminology professor Frank Bovenkerk calls his findings alarming, but in his farewell speech at Utrecht University said, “It’s not due to ethnic backgrounds”.
New crime statistics show an alarming overrepresentation of ethnic groups.
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/fa...ighly-disputedQuote:
Crime figures are normally compiled on a yearly basis. However, Professor Bovenkerk has looked at criminal behaviour spanning a number of years, between the ages of 18 and 24. His approach has resulted in an entirely different outcome. The professor linked information based on ethnicity to crime figures.
This is not permitted in the Netherlands, but the police department, youth care organisations and advisory groups in Rotterdam have been allowed to make the link, thanks to a special legal construction introduced in 2002.
[...]
There is resistance to Rotterdam’s policy of registering the ethnic background of ‘high-risk’ youth. The Aruban - Antillean organisation MAAPP, for example, criticises the practice. Chairman Raymond Labad says, “Ethnic registration has been banned since World War II.” His reference may be a bit charged, but his fear of discrimination and stigmatisation is clear.
In local Rotterdam as well as in national politics, ethnic registration is highly disputed. The minister responsible for integration, Eberhard van der Laan, feels “a principle discussion must take place based on constitutional and international agreements”. A national privacy ‘watchdog’ is looking at whether Rotterdam has actually broken the law.
My master, for a reward, I demand another girl. :balloon2:
I can screw up pretty badly in 6, (7 if I flatter myself) languages how about you. Probably just one. I will probably beat you in that single one as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
language, the last stand.
edit, thx Luigi
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The bright side
What exactly are you saying Louis? That ethnic backgrounds are a deterministic factor in the overrepresentation in crime stats or that they are circumstantial?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I should imagine that any sane person, or one equipped with a minimum of rudimentary intelligence would find it hard not to agree with Beskar that it is social class and conditions which is the determining factor of a particular segment of society's presence in crime statistics. Except when it comes to Belgians, they are all theives.
Of course they are circumstantial, the circumstances of Islam being a shield against equal treatment of all citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by alh_p
theives <-- see Beskar, too easy
I should use the spell check too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I don't really understand the second part of your sentence: "the circumstances of Islam being a shield against equal treatment of all citizens."
I meant circumstantial as in "not enough to prove anything", e.g. circumstantial evidence in a murder trial -as opposed to a good solid piece of evidence which clearly inciriminates the accused.
I don't need a spell-checker.Quote:
Originally Posted by alh_p
It's pretty straightforward what I mean, the Islam has a special place.
I do not think that condition 2) is still met and we are at least on the line to fail on condition 1)Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Time to close this.
Thanks for the contributions
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