With Great Sacrifice [Concluded]

Brilliant write-up, khaan!

Here's the deal, kids:

Killing Monty will do nothing for you. He's a god, he can't do anything but vote, as he has said himself.

Killing the last killer will end the game. If Monty is dead when you do this, the town wins alone. If Monty is alive when you do this, the town wins and Monty and his champion win jointly. Either way, you're going to have to lynch the killer in order to end the game, because he's going to keep coming after you even if he kills Monty.

So essentially Monty is just a distraction. This is basic mafia with one scumbag on the loose from here on out.

Kill Monty.

Awesome write up! That was a very good read.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

Killing the last killer will end the game. If Monty is dead when you do this, the town wins alone. If Monty is alive when you do this, the town wins and Monty and his champion win jointly. Either way, you're going to have to lynch the killer in order to end the game, because he's going to keep coming after you even if he kills Monty.

So essentially Monty is just a distraction. This is basic mafia with one scumbag on the loose from here on out.

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So says Monty's champion, per Monty. I'm sure you would both like to win. Thing is as a town we should lynch all mafia shouldn't we? If we let Monty live won't that count as 2 mafia against the town? Meaning that if there are 2 villagers left, Monty and the killer won't the mafia win? I'm not seeing a scenario where allowing Monty to live is a good thing. Monty said he told the truth, but in the end he was still lying apparently.

Vote: Montmorency

Chaotix is bargaining....you only do that if you/scumbuddy is backed into a corner.(Not saying your predictable or anything but Monty was pretty boned already, nice try though):applause:

Vote: Montmorency

Monty needs to die in that case.:smiley:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Chaotix is bargaining....you only do that if you/scumbuddy is backed into a corner.(Not saying your predictable or anything but Monty was pretty boned already, nice try though):applause:

Vote: Montmorency

Monty needs to die in that case.:smiley:

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I lost when I died.

Although to be fair, I did not predict that saying something would garner more votes on my poor abused scumbuddy.

I've caused him enough trouble already, and I'm starting to genuinely feel terrible about it.

I'll not say another word this game; it's better that way.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

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I lost when I died.

Although to be fair, I did not predict that saying something would garner more votes on my poor abused scumbuddy.

I've caused him enough trouble already, and I'm starting to genuinely feel terrible about it.

I'll not say another word this game; it's better that way.

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Well - that says it all. I was weighing up whether it might actually be better to go after the killer this turn, but that post puts it beyond all doubt that The God/Killer pairings are the 'scum' we are looking for. Monty is the known threat and everyone posting so far seems to want to see what happens if we lynch a God.

Well, me too...

Vote: Montmorency

Well, we voted for the killer last turn, why not this turn as well?

Vote: LazyMcCrow

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Originally Posted by edse

Well, we voted for the killer last turn, why not this turn as well?

Vote: LazyMcCrow

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I'd like to know what your reasoning is behind your voting me again - other than to deflect attention from yourself. All you've stated so far is that I have 'weak argumentation' and yet you pursue me with a devilish fury. The fact that you are mentioned as the 'next lynch' by a few people today getting to you a bit?

If I were the last killer, wouldn't I try to kill the enemy God? One of you on the wagon is the last killer and I believe it's you.

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Originally Posted by edse

If I were the last killer, wouldn't I try to kill the enemy God? One of you on the wagon is the last killer and I believe it's you.

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That might make some sense if I hadn't been the first to vote Monty yesterday (albeit at the behest of a dead scum) - BEFORE he made his reveal. If you were the last killer? I'm not hearing anything to dissuade me about your scumminess.

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Originally Posted by LazyMcCrow

That might make some sense if I hadn't been the first to vote Monty yesterday (albeit at the behest of a dead scum) - BEFORE he made his reveal. If you were the last killer? I'm not hearing anything to dissuade me about your scumminess.

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Maybe you were listening to the same bird as Yaropolk, or maybe you are the bird itself.

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Originally Posted by LazyMcCrow

That might make some sense if I hadn't been the first to vote Monty yesterday (albeit at the behest of a dead scum) - BEFORE he made his reveal. If you were the last killer? I'm not hearing anything to dissuade me about your scumminess.

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I resent that. I'm only mostly dead. And I gave the town 2 scum. Anyway, Vote: Monty. I am genuinely curious of lynching him will fulfill the "pure of soul" requirement.

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Originally Posted by Yaropolk

I resent that. I'm only mostly dead. And I gave the town 2 scum. Anyway, Vote: Monty. I am genuinely curious of lynching him will fulfill the "pure of soul" requirement.

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No offence meant. I love the fact that you are still voting. Given that nothing short of a miracle will save Monty this turn, I guess we won't find out whether or not your vote actually counts. So you are also not aware of what constitutes a town victory? Curious indeed.

Wow, did Chaotix really say that?

Guys, that was an unrequested tag-in and he bended the truth quite a bit. If you want to get a more accurate picture, just refer to my older posts.

Here's your choice: let the surviving killer and his god win - or allow me and Chaotix to win.

Now, don't you think I dese-e-e-rve to win, after all that has been said and done? :clown:

Sacrifice me to myself, and you can forget about winning any wars for the next hundred years. :stare:

Tally

Montmorency: 4 (BSmith, Lewwyn, White eyes:D, LazyMcCrow)

BSmith: 1 (Monty)

LazyMcCrow: 1 (edse)

Yaropolk also votes for Monty!

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Now, don't you think I dese-e-e-rve to win, after all that has been said and done? :clown:

Sacrifice me to myself, and you can forget about winning any wars for the next hundred years. :stare:

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No.

Vote: Montmorency Busy day, lucky to have remembered to do rounds of the games I'm in today. :creep:

Extending the round 12 hours for two reasons- a) activity, b) not going to be able to do the writeup tonight. Sorry.

This is your chance to vote BSmith, mortals.

Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.

The only threat to the town atm is the last killer and the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win. BSmith or LazyMcCrow is the last killer and with him gone we have all the time in the world to find the sacrifice.

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Originally Posted by edse

Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.

The only threat to the town atm is the last killer and the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win. BSmith or LazyMcCrow is the last killer and with him gone we have all the time in the world to find the sacrifice.

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Interesting conclusion you have there. You're saying that a killer would win NOT by doing his job, but by town doing theirs? While lynching Montmorency does make me slightly nervous - given that a killer IS still at large and is clearly an active player (as opposed to the handful of inactives who I am assuming will get WoKed imminently) - you are right: lynching Monty is bad for town in that it gives the Killer another opportunity to get closer to victory. I'd almost be prepared to follow your lead on this one if it weren't for the fact that a) You propose to lynch me rather than Montmorency and b) I don't agree with your conclusion above. I imagine that you have it the wrong way round: I think Montmorency will achieve some kind of victory for outlasting all the other power roles when the killer is lynched. I imagine a killer without a God, will likely have to survive SK-style to the end of the game. That makes most sense to me when I 'think about it' as you instruct.

So - I think that Monty's lynch is probably for the best - as well as being a foregone conclusion anyway. It's possible that the remaining killer - if that is indeed the set-up, is one of the players who sits on the line between lurking and participation. The more you expound your theories the less likely I think it is that you are the killer, but I still wouldn't bet against it: Guilty til proven innocent and all that :) I guess we'll just have to get the popcorn out and watch what happens when a God is lynched. If that brings about the end of the game, so be it, but I don't think it will.

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Originally Posted by edse

Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.

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Wouldn't a god be the purest sacrifice? And probably the god's champion as well? I don't really agree with this idea that somehow we just let a self-professed mafia live. I'd love to go lynch the last killer, but we're not sure about who that is. I've always found that in mafia games you must lynch known mafia even if you think we can always get around to lynching them later. We have to lynch Monty at some point. Best now instead of possibly lynching another villager.

Oh and lynching a god, I'm excited for the write up! :2thumbsup:

unvote:vote: BSmith there you have a candidate to the lynch, he's on the line between lurking and participation

Montmorency: 5 (BSmith, Lewwyn, White eyes:D, LazyMcCrow, DaveShack)

BSmith: 2 (Monty, edse)

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

Wouldn't a god be the purest sacrifice? And probably the god's champion as well?

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The purest sacrifice can't really be one of three Gods or one of the three champions.

I forgot the No Vote category.

No Vote:Fluffy, landlubber, Zack

The names in red are in danger of being WOK:ed, landlubber should have been yesterday.

Why are you trying to save someone who admits they are up to no good?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Why are you trying to save someone who admits they are up to no good?:inquisitive:

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He's not up to no good, the killer is.

Round over. Writeup will be posted soon-ish.

Our examination for the following day proved short and succinct. It seemed it was on everyone's minds to find out what exactly Montmorency meant by claiming divinity. Surely a divine power was purer than anything a mere mortal could hope for? If not... well, a distraction taken care of, at least. When the Emperor demanded my record of everyone's decision, it was clear who would be handed over. Montmorency raised an eyebrow at the Emperor as he walked up to the altar. "Are you sure you wish to do this? You know who sustains your power. It is not these mortals," he said, gesturing to the crowd. "You know what I offer is far more substantial. Abandon this now." Montmorency narrowed his eyes as he stood in front of the blood-stained slab.

"You are a blasphemer! I am the Emperor! The gods have given me the power of divine judgment! I am divine will incarnate, you are nothing! Now down onto the altar, or we'll force you down." Montmorency grinned. "Now!" the Emperor ordered. Montmorency just chuckled.

"I would like to see your guards try. Do you truly think they can subdue the god of slaughter?" As if to answer, TheFluffyOne, Landlubber, and Zaccino moved behind him, each placing a hand on one of his arms. He looked around, suddenly angry. His eyes blazed a golden hue. "You dare touch divinity?! For you, the deal is off." A bright light flashed through the room. The Emperor staggered back, blinded for just a moment. When he could see again, Montmorency had vanished. The three soldiers each were scalded all across their fronts. Scorched sinews stared back at their ruler as they collapsed in a heap. "We are not finished," a booming voice rang out. "This is not the end. Your suffering is not yet over. Prepare for oblivion. For the few brave enough, I look forward to seeing you again."

I stood next to the Emperor in pure shock. He was standing like a statue. The rest of the remaining group looked to him questioningly. "My lord..." I whispered. "What now? What do we do?" He shook his head slightly.

"Go."



IT IS NOW NIGHT 5. PLEASE SEND ORDERS NOW. 24 HOURS AS USUAL.

Alive:

Bsmith
Daveshack
Edse
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn
White eyes


Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)
Montmorency (D5)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)

Wrath of Khaan:

Zaccino
Landlubber
Fluffy

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Originally Posted by issaikhaan

"I would like to see your guards try. Do you truly think they can subdue the god of slaughter?" As if to answer, TheFluffyOne, Landlubber, and Zaccino moved behind him, each placing a hand on one of his arms. He looked around, suddenly angry. His eyes blazed a golden hue. "You dare touch divinity?! For you, the deal is off." A bright light flashed through the room. The Emperor staggered back, blinded for just a moment. When he could see again, Montmorency had vanished. The three soldiers each were scalded all across their fronts. Scorched sinews stared back at their ruler as they collapsed in a heap. "We are not finished," a booming voice rang out. "This is not the end. Your suffering is not yet over. Prepare for oblivion. For the few brave enough, I look forward to seeing you again."

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Well - I guess that's what Montmorency meant by claiming divinity. Big thanks to Zac, Fluffy & Landlubber for taking one for the team ;P
I'm surprised no-one has had anything to say yet - it seems like its time to take a closer look at what everyones been up to over the course of the last few days. I shall chew some cocoa leaves and return imminently.

Monty & Chaotix

Csargo & ?
Yaropolk & ?

> General Hankerchief?


Let us assume that GeneralHankerchief was the killer for Csargo:

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053425747

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That means that the remaining killer is Yaropolks' Death Cultist.

However:

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The town consists of the priests and warriors attempting to find the pure sacrifice. The Mafia's motives will not be quite as clear cut.

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There will be a minimum of roles. The town will have, at it's disposal, at least one doctor, and possibly an investigator of sorts depending on the numbers play out. There will also be one currently unidentified "mystery" town role. The mafia may have additional abilities on top of killing. If I were playing, I would not rule out 3rd party roles. I'm hoping for at least 30, up to 40 players. 40 would be ideal, but I can work with 30. There won't be alt accounts for this game.

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Well, began the game with 20: I think we can rule out the doctor and investigator. We've established through (misleading?) reveals from Montmorency & Chaotix, that each mafia faction has a God & a killer. There has been no evidence thusfar to suggest that this isn't true. The hosts description defines the mafia VC as 'not quite as clear cut' as the town's which is clearly 'The town consists of the priests and warriors attempting to find the pure sacrifice'

So we have a remaining killer amongst us and possibly a pure sacrifice. Let us assume there IS a pure sacrifice and that the game will end when he is lynched or killed. Perhaps it is the Emperor?


I've scanned each post by the remaining alive players and then read the thread again. I built up opinions on all players and I assume one of them is the 'pure' sacrifice, but I think first we must catch the killer.


In my opinion the remaining killer is Daveshack. I basically follow the 'guilty until proven innocent' methodolgy of re-reading the thread and studying the voting form. Everything daveshack posted just confirmed to me he is the killer, whereas there were always a few things about other players that made me doubt it.

Particular posts that stood out for me as follows:

Daveshack - post 126 -

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So the "survival" is just flavor, and they're really gone? Love the ambiguity.

If they're gone, we have a big zero. My suspect was going to be Yaropolk, though the evidence was merely having voted for both lynches.

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This post either: a)exhonorates him from a connection with Yaropolk, or b)establishes one.

post 146 gets wind that Chaotix is a power role. Votes to eliminate the competition

post 193 - looks scummy if you want it too. I bought it at the time.

post 219 very townie indeed. Throws alot of bread to the ducks ie: away from himself.

post 230: backs off Lewwyn immediately that Lewwyn protests his innocence. He is scum there is no need for him to pursue an innocent so long as he is not getting lynched himself.

post 231: the whole 'need...more..info' stuck out for me at the time of posting. The only reason he needs more info is so that he can eliminate his competition.
post 232: paranoid about seeming scummy 'bumping up his post count' apology

This was when Daveshack was most active: ie: when he was being voted for. General Hankerchief moves his vote from Daveshack to Monty and Dave drops off the radar.
But then:

post 282: Happy to jump on the GH wagon. can't remember whether or not he voted before? that's because he has never voted for any reason other than to deflect attention.

post: 337 he even ****ing tiptoes

Look forward to seeing what everyone else has to say.

That's some nice analysis. Completely wrong conclusions, but nice. I won't even OMGUS, since you didn't vote. Trying to see if someone else does it first, so you don't get tagged as the one who started it?

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Originally Posted by DaveShack

Nah, I'm just trying to make sense of what little there is.

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Repeating myself. There is practically nothing here. If there were something to go by, it would be different, but nothing really stands out. And I don't know what to do when there is nothing, other than to read the nothing again more slowly to see if anything shows.

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Originally Posted by DaveShack

That's some nice analysis. Completely wrong conclusions, but nice. I won't even OMGUS, since you didn't vote. Trying to see if someone else does it first, so you don't get tagged as the one who started it?



Repeating myself. There is practically nothing here. If there were something to go by, it would be different, but nothing really stands out. And I don't know what to do when there is nothing, other than to read the nothing again more slowly to see if anything shows.

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You're right - I completely forgot to vote for you as I had little enough time to read everything in the thread again and formulate an opinion, before I went into a meeting for the last couple of hours. Here we go - I'll remedy that now
vote: Daveshack

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Originally Posted by LazyMcCrow

Look forward to seeing what everyone else has to say.

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That was a pretty awesome post. Honestly though, I'm not convinced yet. I think the crux here is that post 126. Is that confirming a connection to Yaropolk? I went back and looked, it comes after the kills so yeah I can see where you're coming from. Why would you even bring it up if you're not concerned with his death? On the other hand, I think there's a stronger case that a mafia player would ignore it and try to distance himself from the kill, not lament it. I think you're looking at it wrong.

I've been going back through a bit and I've been focusing on those that are here but are contributing very little, mostly White_Eyes and BSmith. This is not to say that one of them is definitely the killer, but I think what we should put pressure on them today to see if they are paying attention enough to defend themselves.

As for edse I've been on his case a lot this game, but for the last couple days we've had pretty much confirmed mafia to lynch. edse I'm still watching but I've seen more guilt elsewhere for now... It's late in my TimeZone. I will try to arrange some evidence to explain my concerns about White_Eyes and BSmith.

(edit: reaction to Dave)....although your reaction just doesn't sound that scummy. Hmmmpf. What I don't like about your response though, is that there clearly IS loads of stuff to go through and loads of reaction. It seems like you can't be bothered with it, which I'm sorry to say DOES seem townie of you, given the ****poor show so far. Hells - we've been lucky enough for scum to fall on each others swords and now we're going to throw that away by just...not bothering? I like it less, but until I'm given a plausible reason to vote for someone else - by you or whoever: You're still my best guess. It's too late in the day now for 'Nothing really stands out'

You mean this post?

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Originally Posted by DaveShack

So the "survival" is just flavor, and they're really gone? Love the ambiguity. :shrug:

If they're gone, we have a big zero. My suspect was going to be Yaropolk, though the evidence was merely having voted for both lynches.

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Let me put that a different way. I was going to vote for Yaropolk at that point, because of his voting record. Monty (who we now know was "special" too) pointed out that the attacked people were missing from the living list. I expressed surprise that this was the case, since the writeup clearly indicated they survived in some form. In retrospect, now we know why Monty cared...

How is that scummy, to be confused now that the only player I had a feel for was gone but "saved by the writeup"? And remained a suspect of sorts, when the post-death "voting" continued?

Lazy and Lewwn both act townie, at least in the past few posts. There is someone who seemed eager to put someone else up, anyone but Monty, and that was Vote: Edse.

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Originally Posted by DaveShack

Lazy and Lewwn both act townie, at least in the past few posts. There is someone who seemed eager to put someone else up, anyone but Monty, and that was Vote: Edse.

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GAAAAAHHHHH!!! I WAS TRYING TO GET HIM LYNCHED THE TWO FIRST DAYS! And the last killer would be someone that was voting for Montmorency.

It's night now anyway so you are all voting in vain.

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Originally Posted by DaveShack

You mean this post?



Let me put that a different way. I was going to vote for Yaropolk at that point, because of his voting record. Monty (who we now know was "special" too) pointed out that the attacked people were missing from the living list. I expressed surprise that this was the case, since the writeup clearly indicated they survived in some form. In retrospect, now we know why Monty cared...

How is that scummy, to be confused now that the only player I had a feel for was gone but "saved by the writeup"? And remained a suspect of sorts, when the post-death "voting" continued?

Lazy and Lewwn both act townie, at least in the past few posts. There is someone who seemed eager to put someone else up, anyone but Monty, and that was Vote: Edse.

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That's the post. I read it as a deliberate effort to conveniently distance yourself from Yaropolk, using lazy reasoning to profess to be voting for him in the first place. However, I can see that as Lewwyn pointed out, it can be read in both ways, and I may indeed have got it the wrong way round. I'd appreciate the opinions of some proven innocents, as well as the rest of the alive.

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Originally Posted by edse

GAAAAAHHHHH!!! I WAS TRYING TO GET HIM LYNCHED THE TWO FIRST DAYS! And the last killer would be someone that was voting for Montmorency.

It's night now anyway so you are all voting in vain.

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XD - oh yeah!

I’m here, and if you have concerns about me, ask away. I have nothing to hide.

Does anyone know if the champions started on D1 as killers, or were they recruited by the gods? Reading Monty’s reveal post leads me to believe that they were recruited, but it is not clear. Knowing if/when they were recruited may help in the thread analysis.

I went through the thread and looked at White_Eyes:D. He has said just about nothing this entire game. Here is a summary of all his posts:

Post #16: pre-game “in” post
Post #55: apologizes for missing first round (fluff)
Post #82: Votes for Chaotix mainly due to Chaotix’s almost nonsensical quasi-joke post (fluff)
Post #134: mainly talks about meta game setups by Khaan, interestingly states that more people need to vote, then places his vote on Csargo (who is dead at this point) with no reasoning whatsoever.
Post #166: Notes that he voted for a dead guy after the round is over (fluff)
Post #303: Posts to say he missed yet another round, jokes about being lynch bait. Thinks the GH lynch is a fail. (mostly fluff)
Post #324: Responds to Chaotix’s post about finding the last killer before lynching Monty. Votes for Monty.
Post #345: Questions edse “trying to save someone who admits they are up to no good”. (edse voted for me at this point instead of Monty).

Nothing stands out to me a scummy, other than the fact that he has done just enough to avoid the WoK and hasn’t said anything of consequence that could come back and bite him. I am suspicious, but unfortunately there is no real evidence against him.

In doing this exercise, I did notice this post by edse:

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The purest sacrifice can't really be one of three Gods or one of the three champions.

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Do you care to expound on this any? How do you know it can’t be one of them? One way to interpret this statement is that it is an attempt to deflect attention away from finding the last killer. Is this what you are advocating here?

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Do you care to expound on this any? How do you know it can’t be one of them? One way to interpret this statement is that it is an attempt to deflect attention away from finding the last killer. Is this what you are advocating here?

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Originally Posted by edse

Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.

The only threat to the town atm is the last killer and the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win. BSmith or LazyMcCrow is the last killer and with him gone we have all the time in the world to find the sacrifice.

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The Purest Sacrifice is probably a town power role or a third party role. I would say Lewwyn or White_eyes.

I even wanted to lynch a killer yesterday and not a harmless God. I still think Lazy is the one most likely to be the killer and you're number two on the list.

edit: and I have changed my opinion on this: "the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win". He understood that you were going to lynch Monty no matter what so killing him would have been a waste of kill.

What makes you think that either Lewwyn or White_Eyes is the purest sacrifice? And why are Lazy and I at the top of your list?

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Originally Posted by Yaropolk

I resent that. I'm only mostly dead. And I gave the town 2 scum. Anyway, Vote: Monty. I am genuinely curious of lynching him will fulfill the "pure of soul" requirement.

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Apparently Monty was full of delicious nougat and not pure soul!

Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh

Hush my darling, don't fear my darling
The lion sleeps tonight
Hush my darling, don't fear my darling
The lion sleeps tonight

Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh

Seriously - it's night time, stop voting!

You plainly broke the compact, so my honor demands recompense.

I'll see you in Hell, Coward-God.

Face me! :stare:

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What makes you think that either Lewwyn or White_Eyes is the purest sacrifice?

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The purest sacrifice's only goal must be to survive. Lewwyn and White_Eyes are the ones trying hardest to do that.

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And why are Lazy and I at the top of your list?

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Your eagerness to follow the dead Gods' will.

I’ve looked back through the thread and here are my observations and rank of who I think is the most suspicious:

1.) Daveshack
Among the other things that others have said already, DaveShack just seems off to me. Most of his analysis twists things ever so slightly to make them seem worse than they really are. He has made several posts about not being very experienced, yet he has been playing mafia at least as long as I have (more than a year now) and I don’t consider myself inexperienced.

2.) Edse
Edse has always had an underlying suspicion by others throughout the entire game. When I looked at him earlier his actions just seemed erratic to me, and not in any way planned or calculated. His recent insistence on not lynching the known scum, but instead trying to find the last killer (a much riskier proposition seeing how we don’t know who he is) is questionable as well. The past few rounds he has had less than focused accusations against several people, yet he hasn’t had a lot to back up those accusations.

This behavior, to me anyway, points to either a townie who is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, or it is a constant attempt to try to direct the attention in thread away from himself. I’m honestly not sure at this point.

3.) Lazy McCrow
Lazy has done a fairly good job of working towards the town cause. He has quite a few fluff posts but also a lot of good analysis that (on the face of it anyway) has helped us work through things. He is either really good at sounding townie when he is scum, or he is indeed a townie.

3.) Lewwyn
Seems less of a threat to me after reading through the thread again. He had the early scare of almost being lynched, and acted as I would expect a townie would. He has also had some decent posts lately that have been good analysis, or responses to other’s analysis. Overall I am not feeling very suspicious of him either, but like Lazy he may just be really good at acting townie.

I would rank Lazy and Lewwyn the same in my priority list.


?) White eyes
Not enough data to really make a determination. This is the wild card of the game.

I think the most attention needs to be given to DaveShack and White_Eyes tomorrow.

I agree with that - I think White Eyes :D is probably the pure one and Daveshack is the killer, but as has already pointed out, it's night time and the killer is going to just kill us if he catches us analysing and voting after lights out.

He is going to kill one of us anyway, so I figured I'd get my thoughts out there in case it is me he chooses. :bow:

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Originally Posted by BSmith

I’ve looked back through the thread and here are my observations and rank of who I think is the most suspicious:

1.) Daveshack
Among the other things that others have said already, DaveShack just seems off to me. Most of his analysis twists things ever so slightly to make them seem worse than they really are. He has made several posts about not being very experienced, yet he has been playing mafia at least as long as I have (more than a year now) and I don’t consider myself inexperienced.

2.) Edse
Edse has always had an underlying suspicion by others throughout the entire game. When I looked at him earlier his actions just seemed erratic to me, and not in any way planned or calculated. His recent insistence on not lynching the known scum, but instead trying to find the last killer (a much riskier proposition seeing how we don’t know who he is) is questionable as well. The past few rounds he has had less than focused accusations against several people, yet he hasn’t had a lot to back up those accusations.

This behavior, to me anyway, points to either a townie who is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, or it is a constant attempt to try to direct the attention in thread away from himself. I’m honestly not sure at this point.

3.) Lazy McCrow
Lazy has done a fairly good job of working towards the town cause. He has quite a few fluff posts but also a lot of good analysis that (on the face of it anyway) has helped us work through things. He is either really good at sounding townie when he is scum, or he is indeed a townie.

3.) Lewwyn
Seems less of a threat to me after reading through the thread again. He had the early scare of almost being lynched, and acted as I would expect a townie would. He has also had some decent posts lately that have been good analysis, or responses to other’s analysis. Overall I am not feeling very suspicious of him either, but like Lazy he may just be really good at acting townie.

I would rank Lazy and Lewwyn the same in my priority list.


?) White eyes
Not enough data to really make a determination. This is the wild card of the game.

5) Yaropolk
Definitely one of the good guys - gave us 2 scum. We should listen to him

I think the most attention needs to be given to DaveShack and White_Eyes tomorrow.

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Fixed that for you

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Originally Posted by Yaropolk

5) Yaropolk
Definitely one of the good guys - gave us 2 scum. We should listen to him

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Oh yeah - who should we lynch tomorrow, oh dead scum god?

I technically gave you three scum, so listen to me: don't listen to Yaro.

Alright, night is over. Writeup in progress.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I technically gave you three scum, so listen to me: don't listen to Yaro.

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Oh ok. So who should we lynch tomorrow Oh dead scum God? (...of War)
Man the Emperor is going to be annoyed when he finds out we've been up all night yakking!

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we've been up all night yakking!

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:uhoh:

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Originally Posted by LazyMcCrow

Oh yeah - who should we lynch tomorrow, oh dead scum god?

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Don't know yet - have to think about it.

Based on the previous nights, Daveshack decided it was safest to avoid spending the night alone. Upon leaving the sacrificial chamber, he found the only other person leaving to his section of the quarters and offered his proposal. The man accepted, commending Daveshack on his sound logic. The two arrived to his quarters, neither speaking. Daveshack sat down against the wall. “Would you be up for a wager?” he asked his guest. The guest titled his head, then nodded, a curious look on his face. Daveshack lifted up his mat and pulled several wooden chips out. “Alright, see how each chip has a different god’s emblem on it? I set each one face down. Then, I rearrange them while you have you have your back turned. Then you turn around, and try to identify which god is assigned to which chip.”

“What do I get if I win?” the guest inquired.

“Oh, there’s not going to be anything actually wagered. Just a friendly competition.”

“I see.” With that, he turned around so Daveshack could begin to randomize the chips. After a short time, Daveshack told him he was ready. The host pointed to the first chip on the floor. “Mictlantecutl,” the guest answered. Daveshack lifted it up. It was indeed Mictlantecutl’s sigil on the chip.

“Very good! Lucky guess, I assume?”

“No, I was quite certain it was his.” Daveshack frowned.

“Did you cheat?”

“No,” the guest answered. He grinned slightly. Without warning, he leaped forward, pinning Daveshack to the ground. “He told me.” The guest retrieved the club hanging from the back of his belt and smashed in Daveshack’s face with a single blow.




My arrival to the sacrificial chamber did yield anything promising. The Emperor sat on a stone bench, looking dejected. I cautiously approached him. He just shook his head as I neared, and gave a wave of his hand to the crowd while giving me a somber look. I took it to mean we were still in our hunt. "My lord, I-" I was cut off by his glare. He simply motioned once more to the crowd. I understood what he meant. He wanted me to lead the examination. My heart sank. Were we all finished? Were we doomed to failure? No! We had to try, even if our Emperor would not. I approached the altar, and with a loud clap of my hands, began our search once more.



IT IS NOW DAY SIX. YOU HAVE 36 HOURS.

Alive:

Bsmith
Edse
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn
White eyes


Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)
Montmorency (D5)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)
Daveshack (N5)

Wrath of Khaan:

Zaccino
Landlubber
Fluffy

:smash:

Vote: BSmith

How about you lose now?

Well that was certainly a curious choice for a kill, given the suspicion several of us had on DaveShack. I think for now I’ll go with number 2 on my list, and vote: edse.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Vote: BSmith

How about you lose now?

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If I am lynched we will be no closer to finding the pure sacrifice or the killer. I am sorry to disappoint.

I'm afraid there is no "pure" one - the God of Death wants all of you dead.

The Dave kill is super odd. I mean the killer had plenty of time to choose based on what people had been talking about at night. The biggest post of the night was against Dave. I'm going to chalk this up to the killer either making a mistake or not being around to change the kill target if they had already selected Dave. I think Lazy McCrow is probably innocent even if he had made up a huge case against Dave that turned out to be wrong. Who would go do all that work just to night kill the very person you were trying to lynch?

Alright given that, Only White_Eyes did not post before the end of night. Given BSmith's post on White_Eyes and my own feelings on his quasi absence. I'm going to Vote: White_Eyes. I can't get that vote for Csargo, and the subsequent "Oh I guess I voted for a dead guy" post that came just 30 minutes after the write-up, out of my head. For me It seems he's been carefully treading the line between being almost WOKed and not.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

He has made several posts about not being very experienced, yet he has been playing mafia at least as long as I have (more than a year now) and I don’t consider myself inexperienced.

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A correction: I made several posts about being useless when vanilla with insufficient information, not about being inexperienced. :stare:

I too am not sure what to think of being targeted.

Vote: White_Eyes DaveShack was the only one I regarded as innocent.

Um, intolerable mud-minded corporeals guys...

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Um, intolerable mud-minded corporeals guys...

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Any sane mafia would leave me alive until tomorrow as lynchbait.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Um, intolerable mud-minded corporeals guys...

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What?

OK. I'm as surprised as you guys at the Daveshack kill, but unless it is simply a mistake by White_Eyes:D as you guys seem to think, its could actually be a pretty clever kill, as it does a reasonably good job of sowing additional confusion. I have to assume that any of my three fellows are more than capable of pinning that kind of shizzle onto an innocent, and so it doesn't do much to help me choose a new suspect.

So - I must either choose White_Eyes:D, as most likely to have made a mistake, OR I choose BSmith as indicated by the Dead - and yet still very present (and still able to vote?) God of War. OR i make my own choice based on my deductive powers and razor-sharp sense of intuition.

Well - I think Daveshack's reaction to my accusations last night pretty much made me feel like I'd got it wrong, I think I should probably rule out option three. I am inclined to believe that White_Eyes:D made an error, but I think that a wagon on him right now would be less than productive if we got it wrong and it WAS actually some sneakiness on the part of edse, BSmith or Lewwyn. We still don't know if the Gods vote counts in any way - I think I shall:

vote: BSmith

for now and hope that the way the votes fall will provide more evidence.

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Originally Posted by edse

DaveShack was the only one I regarded as innocent.

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Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

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ummm. What?

White eyes: 2 (Lewwyn, edse )
Edse: 2 (BSmith, White_Eyes:D)

Bsmith: 1 +1 (Lazy, + Monty)

Not sure what to do. I'm happy to drop my vote from BSmith onto either White Eyes or Edse as frankly I am equally suspicious of either. White_eyes:D needs to explain further his apparent revelation (sorry if I'm stupid here but I don't see the 'obvious'ness) and Edse needs to just look less scummy in general - its like everything you've done pongs a bit. Why White_Eyes:d instead of BSmith or me again?

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

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What?

I'm happy with whoever of White_Eyes and BSmith that gets lynched.

Well, this:

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Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

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Really did nothing to convince me that I've got my vote wrong...

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Well, this:



Really did nothing to convince me that I've got my vote wrong...

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I'm still waiting for further explanation on that post White_Eyes:D?
Given that a tie is resolved by a tie-breaking vote, we may find out if Gods' Votes count this round, because I'm not sure which to vote for if it comes down to me to break the tie. I guess if I have to choose, that I'd vote White_Eyes:D rather than edse if he doesn't have anything further to say.

I agree. I am quite tempted to change my vote to White_Eyes given he still hasn't contributed much to the discussion, even after we have given him a lot of grief over it.

How about it White_Eyes?

vote: edse

Why not White Eyes, Yaro? Is he your killer?

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Why not White Eyes, Yaro? Is he your killer?

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No, but you are!

ZING!

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

No, but you are!

ZING!

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lol! Zing indeed! If Yaro is voting edse, it is because he wants us to think White_Eyes:D is his champion. Which means of course that his champion must be Lewwyn, BSmith or myself. I find myself agreeing with the dead killer Chaotix. WHo would Yaropolk have recruited to be his kiler? - BSmith. My vote stays on BSmith, I would urge everyone to join me in lynching him.

That is a correct opinion.

Unvote: Vote: BSmith Lazy's reasoning makes sense.

Tally
2 edse: Bsmith, White_eyes
2 BSmith: LazyMcCrow, edse
1 White_eyes: Lewwyn

It doesn't make it right though...