Rise of The Snake Cult [Concluded]

What content?

I only remember him protecting Al Sipsclair (though now Al Sips voted for his lynching).

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

What content?

I only remember him protecting Al Sipsclair (though now Al Sips voted for his lynching).

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He was posting. I like to keep posting scum leans alive for a little bit to let them incriminate their teammates when they're not in the center of discussion already and I'm unsure of whether I could even get them lynched if I tried.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Don't forget NSP.

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Yeah, I forgot you were in NSP. Just went back and checked, you were actually less active then than now.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

What content?

I only remember him protecting Al Sipsclair (though now Al Sips voted for his lynching).

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Right, since I am People Magazine's Scummiest Man Alive, anyone who's protecting me likely knows too much. ~:)

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

The problem we have in this game, and it equally applies to all town lurkers, is that the private communication is not allowed. We can only communicate and coordinate in-thread. If you're lurking, you're not helping town.

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Preach it.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Well, I still don't like it. Like I said, this game is not like the usual where you can lurk. If we don't work together in the thread, we'll be taken out one by one (like it happened in "This is Madness!", for those who played there).

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We can always fall back on voting jht/autolycus/Jarrema, but right now jht looks a tiny bit townier than he did 24 hours ago, doesn't he? (unless there's two mafias… we have one kill and one apparent poisoning which Winston's claim and 'khaan's death all but confirmed, so… what gives? -eep, I've just reread the rules and it's a bit hazy, it just says there's no cults.)

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Originally Posted by edse

No, that's all. I feel terrible though.

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Do you know how long you have left to live?

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

I dont know if that means anything, but it's good to remember.

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seireikhaan votes me for voting GeneralHankerchief, GH later agrees to join the counterwaggon on jht, jht later votes for 'khaan who is mafia… it could just be. Just. Or more probably not.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

Also, I think El Barto, Scarlett (khaan voted for her) and everyone who voted for Khaan are town. Plus, Edse voted along with Khaan, but this is not a definitive evidence. Yet it is something to watch out.

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So edse is a filthy Swede after all? He did vote for me, which is a very bad thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Golden1Knight

Anyway, khaan's wagon came quickly and unexpectedly, so there was no reaction from his fellow mafiosi to save him.

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…or they chose to remain silent.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Right, since I am People Magazine's Scummiest Man Alive, anyone who's protecting me likely knows too much. ~:)

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Whaaa?

I'm not lurking on purpose if I am...


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What a strange thing to post. Especially when unasked.

Just want to be helpful, I just can't keep up. It's like y'all know rules and strategies I haven't heard of so I'm learning.


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I suspect someone has a bad case of the flinchies…

End of Night Two

The Duchess was found with multiple stab wounds on the floor of the court. The Cult had responded harshly for the death of one of their leaders. More threatened to come.

Scarlett Aria was killed!

She was

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town!

Alive: 16/20
1. Jarema
2. GeneralHankerchief
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
10. Raith Kemmler
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper

Dead: 4/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.

48 hours for day.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Do you know how long you have left to live?

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No, I feel bad and can die at any moment.

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So edse is a filthy Swede after all?

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Not for long if you keep saying that.

But where there is poison, there is cure. Visor usually adds a doctor that can save the poisoned. It would be very nice if you'd cure me tonight *hint, hint*

Oh dear, I need to get my head in this game.

Here is a compilation of seireikhaan's posts for convenience.

DAY 1

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

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Okay, good. Now, to business.
Vote: khaan"

Rude!
Vote: GH

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Might slant me towards believing GH is town since there is no real reason to draw associations with your fellow mafia.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Quote Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

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So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

1. Wouldn't answer that truthfully anyways.

2. See above.

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Pretty meaningless response.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Unvote: GH
Vote: El Barto

Don't you touch my honeybun.

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(Barto had just voted GH)

I would say this is basically just playing into normal meta, although again no real reason to think he would do this towards fellow mafia without need, especially since all the votes were so close on day 1.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Quote Originally Posted by Cass_

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The response is essentially null but at least he outright said he's not clueless or intending to be - ergo, he's not hiding behind that and even if he was he can't now because he'll be caught out. I'm not sure yet whether he's more likely scummy or low hanging fruit. My next step is to look at vote trains (I know, I'm cutting it close).

For what it's worth, I and I'm pretty sure at least a few others were pretty clueless on what exactly you meant by that. Been playing here since '07(though not as long as certain others), and have never seen people refer to setups as open or closed before. Just one of those little meta things that different places have. Believe me, if Beskar had tried pretending he was a noob, that would have been a *very* transparent tactic. :tongue:

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I find it hard to believe he would be having this conversation with fellow mafia, so I'm inclined to trust cass.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

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As for khaan, I'm probably putting words in his mouth, but he's likely to save me on D1 when there's nothing to go off of, but he'd be more than willing to cut my throat midgame if he thinks I'm scum. Or if he flat-out doesn't have a read on me. Or if there's no good lynch candidate and he simply wants to troll. But by that time he's usually picked up a grudge against at least one other player in the game and will have tunnel vision on them, so who knows.

You can put those words wherever you want, love. :smitten:

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I would say this is just a meta post.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

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And you voted me (always a bad thing to do) for voting him…?

Yeah, that sounds about right.

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Again, I would say this is basically meta. It just feels too blatant to be a bluff against either GH or El Barto

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

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Here are Al's posts.
To me, it seems like he's moving his vote around a little too much compared to the number of posts he's making and what he's saying. First he makes a sort of jokey vote, than he OMGUS's, then votes Cass because she hasn't voted enough. I just don't really see much mental transition between these and it kinda feels like he doesn't care much if any of them die.
Vote:Al Sipsclar

This seems rather silly to me. For what purpose would a mafioso move their vote around so much on day 1 for? It's too scatterbrained to be anything scheming. You might be correct that he doesn't care too much if they die or not, but that doesn't necessarily translate to him being mafia.

Vote: Scarlett Aria

While I find the case made by Cuthilius flimsy, I don't necessarily fault him for that in the sense of being guilty. What I *do* find suspicious is others latching onto it without any explanation of why they might agree with it. My eye is on GoldenKnight too, but Scarlett's setting off my bells slightly harder.

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The thing that makes me think he is scum is his under the radar type play D1. It has a different tone then the others. The Csargo kill could possibly be someone who thinks he has good reads on this roster? Not sure because this is my first game."

Mostly for this. I don't even agree that Al was "under the radar". Under the radar is what I did. If he's flopping around with his vote, he's almost exactly the opposite; it's noisy and draws attention to himself. That doesn't strike me as mafia behavior, and it raises a brow from me that you would hop onto a case with such odd... reasoning.

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This is probably the most interesting post to me. While it is, in and of itself, a fair point, I just don't see the reason to stick your neck out like this as mafia. Until this point all of seireikhaan's posts have been very insubstantial, so why suddenly throw yourself into a debate? It just makes your name more visible. While it could be that he simply felt he needed to look more active, I'm inclined to think this may have been provoked by something.

That Scarlett was gotten rid of tonight is probably just because she was a clear innocent after this post.

As such, I'm wanting to look more closely at Al Sipsclar for the time being. I'm going to go through the thread more closely again, but I might as well stick this here for now.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Nightbringer: Got whacked with RL issues in The Inquisition so wasn't that active. Baseline in that game was a bit like Winston, (Decent levels of activity but his posts are usually short and to the point. Will elaborate if pressed though.) though he's more prone to dropping in, casting his vote, and being done with the round.

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Also, this is a great characterization of my usual activity in mafia games for a while now, although i do tend to get much more active once there are less people around. I tend to find the early game a bit overwhelming.

1. Jarema
2. GeneralHankerchief
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
10. Raith Kemmler
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper

16 people left. The four that voted for Khaan are probably not mafia. I'm not mafia.

The first day Khaan made an early joke vote.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Rude!

Vote: GH

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Later, when GH was tied for the lead, he changed it.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Unvote: GH

Vote: El Barto

Don't you touch my honeybun.

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That's good enough for me at the moment Vote: GeneralHankerchief

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Originally Posted by edse

1. Jarema
2. GeneralHankerchief
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
10. Raith Kemmler
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper

16 people left. The four that voted for Khaan are probably not mafia. I'm not mafia.

The first day Khaan made an early joke vote.

Later, when GH was tied for the lead, he changed it.


That's good enough for me at the moment Vote: GeneralHankerchief

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It just feels too blatant and meta to me, but it is possible. I would say it takes El Barto off the suspect list for sure though. I had missed the Al voted khann though.

vote: GeneralHankerchief too

FTR, Alette was pretty suspicious of Sips this whole time. Not sure if that means anything, but good to keep in mind.

I don't like this GH wagon. I think vote:edse is a good alternative. It feels like he was starting a case early to divert from the fact that he voted the same way as khaan yesterday.

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Originally Posted by autolycus

I don't like this GH wagon. I think vote:edse is a good alternative. It feels like he was starting a case early to divert from the fact that he voted the same way as khaan yesterday.

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I say we wait to see if he dies from poison first.

I still think the ties between GH and Khaan are null. They'd act like that regardless of their alignments.

I have a very hard time seeing Al Sips as scum given that he was eager to lynch Khaan. Why wouldn't a mafioso just ignore that wagon, pretend that they didn't see it until after the day ended?

I'm feeling vote:Zain.

Zain, whilst by no means proven innocent, is not responsible for the murder of Scarlett Aria.

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Originally Posted by edse

The four that voted for Khaan are probably not mafia.

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I'm not so confident as that. My post coming so late, there was a chance of khaan surviving to get lynched today instead. Nevertheless, it was pretty much a headshot, and if I'm his scumbuddy in that situation, I can certainly imagine pushing him under the bus right then.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

As such, I'm wanting to look more closely at Al Sipsclar for the time being. I'm going to go through the thread more closely again, but I might as well stick this here for now.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

I had missed the Al voted khann though.

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Yes, I beg you, please look more closely. You're missing pretty obvious moments.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Also, this is a great characterization of my usual activity in mafia games for a while now, although i do tend to get much more active once there are less people around. I tend to find the early game a bit overwhelming.

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This is also what Auto keeps saying. If you're mafia, this translates as: "Let us kill few townies first, then we can lynch pretty much anyone."

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Originally Posted by autolycus

I don't like this GH wagon. I think vote:edse is a good alternative. It feels like he was starting a case early to divert from the fact that he voted the same way as khaan yesterday.

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Though I don't like Auto's vote (I consider edse pretty much clear at this point), I, too, would like to know why you voted Scarlett yesterday, @edse?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

I say we wait to see if he dies from poison first.

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Not if he gets cured.

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Originally Posted by edse

No, I feel bad and can die at any moment.

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So the, um, waiting time is… indefinite?

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Originally Posted by edse

Not for long if you keep saying that.

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:clown: Are you going to shower then?

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Originally Posted by edse

But where there is poison, there is cure. Visor usually adds a doctor that can save the poisoned. It would be very nice if you'd cure me tonight *hint, hint*

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Very much so.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

I say we wait to see if he dies from poison first.

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As Al says, not if he gets cured.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Zain, whilst by no means proven innocent, is not responsible for the murder of Scarlett Aria.

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Interesting.

Wait, where in the writeup (or the thread for that matter) does it mention that edse got poisoned and could possibly get cured?

edse mentioned it and Winston said that he'd seen seireikhaan visiting him, there was a sudden waggon on 'khaan and then khaan was dead and turned out to be mafia.

What about the hint of a cure though?

Updating my leans:

Town:
Winston Hughes - would be a ballsey gambit to push for khaan's lynch to save JHT
Raith Kemmler - good content
edse - though voting Scarlett was bad
Cass_ - Cemented khaan's lynch. I will never get over her delaying her vote until late in the day. Vote early, vote often!

Slight town:
Cuthillius - continuing attempts at scumhunting
El Barto - good level of activity
Johnhughthom - lynched khaan, though was saving himself in the process, might be bussing.

Neutral/Unknown:
Jarema - townie meta according to few folks
landlubber - his voting choices worry me
Autolycus - still filthy lurker, questionable voting choices
Zain - eager and overexcited, but understandable after a long hiatus. Was not visiting Scarlett last night.
Golden1Knight - some activity, keep it up

Slight scum:
GeneralHankerchief - D2: was ready to lynch Jarema or JHT. D1: why Beskar had to die for you to live?
Severing viper - MIA? duplicate posts D1. Understandable since he's new to the forum, though might also show nervousness.
Nightbringer - some attempt at analysis, but no vote?

I Vote: GeneralHankerchief for now.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

GeneralHankerchief - D2: was ready to lynch Jarema or JHT. D1: why Beskar had to die for you to live?

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I don't see how these are strikes against me. Jarema was inactive at the time, JHT still is aside from his preservation vote against khaan. As for the Beskar thing, I picked him because I wasn't sure about his identity, he had votes on him already, and I knew my identity. Why are you giving JHT a free pass for the self-preservation vote and calling me out for it?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

What about the hint of a cure though?

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It's a bit meta, as far as I can tell… edse wouldn't be simply told ‘right, you're dying’ if there wasn't some way of saving him. Otherwise there would be a visit to his place (I'm assuming Winston is a tracker/watcher) and then edse would die without explanation x days/nights later and we'd be none the wiser; the mafia could just use poison and wait for people to die which they could camouflage by subtly influencing lynches. Several days later someone might figure that out, but that'd be too much… has anyone else gotten poisoned? That way we would know whether it takes effect within a given number of days (edse said "I feel bad and can die at any moment.") or not.

Of course, this all depends on edse telling the truth; I think it's believable.

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Originally Posted by edse

Not for long if you keep saying that.

But where there is poison, there is cure. Visor usually adds a doctor that can save the poisoned. It would be very nice if you'd cure me tonight *hint, hint*

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Upon further read I accept this. Now if Al Sip could clarify what I perceive to be uneven logic we can move forward.

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Originally Posted by Jarema

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Originally Posted by landlubber

It's been noted in the past that townie Jarema is noticeably less verbose than scum Jarema.

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Which I really regret.
As a scum, I feel that I owe it to my emies to give them something to analize, for the sake of fairness of the game. And, as a townie, I dont feel such obligation. Sometimes, I try to make cases, but it is hard with no informations from without the thread

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Jarema, may I suggest that you always play as if you're a scum. If anything, you'll make it impossible for Visor to call you out.

…But Visor isn't playing.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I don't see how these are strikes against me. Jarema was inactive at the time, JHT still is aside from his preservation vote against khaan. As for the Beskar thing, I picked him because I wasn't sure about his identity, he had votes on him already, and I knew my identity. Why are you giving JHT a free pass for the self-preservation vote and calling me out for it?

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Choosing between JHT and you: he lynched a scum, you lynched a townie. Granted, you probably wasn't sure he was a townie, but on D1 the chances are very high. I hope there's a good reason for you to value your role more than any other townie's role. I know that in this game I wouldn't risk a mislynch to save myself.

I'm open to alternatives. What are your leans?

Please tell me you're not asking GH to reveal his role on this kind of argument.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Please tell me you're not asking GH to reveal his role on this kind of argument.

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I think I worded it carefully enough to avoid that. I said that I hope he has a good reason, and I'm asking for his opinion on potential lynch candidates that I could support instead.

Yeah no, I'm pretty much always going to self-preserve unless the circumstances are extreme. I value my role more than everyone else's because I'm 100% sure of it. Simple as that, not apologizing for how I play, not going to change it, and going to be really annoyed if that's why I get lynched.

As for alternate candidates, I'm still aboard the JHT train. JHT's vote on khaan tells me very little, and he's bussed people in the past. As for you, I disagree with a lot of your leans, particularly in terms of your correlating activity to townieness, but that's most likely you being unfamiliar with the baseline/a fundamental disagreement between us as opposed to scumminess.

Vote:johnhughthom

I better lose a game where scum is actively posting than win a game where everyone is sitting idle and waiting for someone to present a case. Just bite the bullet, arrange all who's alive by scumminess (however you define it for yourself) and vote your scummiest lean.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I think I worded it carefully enough to avoid that. I said that I hope he has a good reason, and I'm asking for his opinion on potential lynch candidates that I could support instead.

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Well, the ‘I hope there's a good reason…’ part sounded a bit like ‘Could you tell us?’ but maybe I'm being slightly paranoid.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Yeah no, I'm pretty much always going to self-preserve unless the circumstances are extreme. I value my role more than everyone else's because I'm 100% sure of it. Simple as that, not apologizing for how I play, not going to change it, and going to be really annoyed if that's why I get lynched.

As for alternate candidates, I'm still aboard the JHT train. JHT's vote on khaan tells me very little, and he's bussed people in the past. As for you, I disagree with a lot of your leans, particularly in terms of your correlating activity to townieness, but that's most likely you being unfamiliar with the baseline/a fundamental disagreement between us as opposed to scumminess.

Vote:johnhughthom

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I agree. If I'm slight town because of the number of posts, someone should show Al the chart. ;)
And as for alternate candidates we also have auto, the opportune lurker.

I agree that the game is better without lurkers than it is with them, but I'm only going to focus on the lurkers when there are no other pressing leads to pursue. I let the matter drop when I thought someone had inadvertently revealed perfect information in terms of the poisoning/potential cure thing. Barto pointed out that it might not be the case, I did a quick reread of the posts in question, and saw his point. That was my main scumtell lead, so now I'm back to my standby from the last round. After JHT is Nightbringer, as his analysis post in #333 might be a result of him feeling the anti-lurker pressure this game has so far generated.

And when/if jht is revealed as town?

I'm not really sure I see the point in that question - it's thinking ahead way too far. For all I know somebody's going to make a post in two hours that really jumps out to me as scummy and I'll move my vote on them.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I agree. If I'm slight town because of the number of posts, someone should show Al the chart. ;)

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I'll be fine with El Barto's lynch.
Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

Barto and lubber seem okay to me, though his last question in #364 was weird. I'll look over Cuth's posts again sometime before I go to sleep.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm not really sure I see the point in that question - it's thinking ahead way too far. For all I know somebody's going to make a post in two hours that really jumps out to me as scummy and I'll move my vote on them.

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Not that far if we lynch jht today. Lynch him and then Nightbringer… but wait, jht (let's suppose) is not mafia, then why lynch Nightbringer?

(I concede that jht might just have bussed 'khaan in order to look good and so on, but I doubt he'd bother to post so early in the day anyway.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I'll be fine with El Barto's lynch.

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But I won't! I -that is to say, we- have already established that lynching me is not good.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

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Why and why?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Not that far if we lynch jht today. Lynch him and then Nightbringer… but wait, jht (let's suppose) is not mafia, then why lynch Nightbringer?

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...because my reasons for each of their scumminess have nothing to do with each other?

I'm trying to break out of my activity based meta.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

...because my reasons for each of their scumminess have nothing to do with each other?

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Well, you were mentioning Nightbringer as anothe rlurker and I drew the connection from thence. Better for me to continue tomorrow, this physical activity thing is bad for the brain.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I'm trying to break out of my activity based meta.

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‘And the Lord said to Al Sipsclar: Thou shalt not metagame in vain, and so long as thou followest my command, thou shalt prosper and lynch У^e scum.’

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Why and why?

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LL has tripped a few wires here and there for people. I'm null currently. I really like the analysis we're getting, but feels a bit like their trying to keep their head out of ring. That could be a conservative townie, or it could be a conciliatory mafia. I like the feedback enough though that I wouldn't vote that way yet. Analysts are prime assets and all.

Vote: Severing Viper. Where'd you go buddy?

What worries you, Al Sips, about my vote on Zain?

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

LL has tripped a few wires here and there for people. I'm null currently. I really like the analysis we're getting, but feels a bit like their trying to keep their head out of ring. That could be a conservative townie, or it could be a conciliatory mafia. I like the feedback enough though that I wouldn't vote that way yet. Analysts are prime assets and all.

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I'm not trying to be conservative, not really. I'm not usually the kind of person who speculates openly in-thread, although I do realize that the limitations on private messaging mean that I ought to be more forthcoming than usual. For what it's worth, I've still got Al Sips as town. Nothing has really changed there. JHT could still be mafia, sure, but he's never easy to read. I'd lynch several people in this thread before him. I've got a vote on Zain because his flinches seem more severe than regular eagerness. He's quite worried about how his words are perceived, and I don't like that.

Also, I use he/him pronouns ~;p.

Okay, here goes.

Early in the game I considered SeveringViper simply by the irony in his name, but have since noticed he seems quite inactive. Leaving me with very little in the way of analysis or his posts.

So I weigh my options, and I feel that activity may be an easy cover-up for scum. I know in the past playing Mafia in person, when I was scum it was easy to fool everybody by obviously drawing attention to myself.

So, without knowing the players personally, I go with instinct and Vote: Al for now.


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Originally Posted by landlubber

What worries you, Al Sips, about my vote on Zain?

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I don't like your D1 and D2 votes, as well. I think I feel some townie cluelessness in Zain. Your vote on him feels like kicking a puppy. I also would like to give the "new" (or equivalent) guy a chance to play and make mistakes. I might be paranoid about you (and Cuth).

@Raith, please bold your votes!

I don't "know" that there is a cure, but I'm quite sure about it. Only the doctor himself knows what he's doing.

I found nothing wrong in Khaan's reasoning about Scarlett and didn't like the other candidates so that's why I voted for her. In hindsight it wasn't wise.

Does tonight's write-up indicate that Scarlett was an important role?

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Originally Posted by edse

Does tonight's write-up indicate that Scarlett was an important role?

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I wouldn't say so, the flavor text does imply her death was in exchange for an important mafia role going down, but flavor is flavor, never wise to read into it unless the host says it might contain hints.

Also, hi, have a votecount:
GeneralHankerchief: edse, Jarema, Al Sipsclar
edse: autolycus
Zain: landlubber
johnhughthom: GeneralHankerchief
SeveringViper: Raith Kemmler (improper formatting)
Al Sipsclar: Zain

And a few questions:

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I agree. If I'm slight town because of the number of posts, someone should show Al the chart. ;)

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What does this mean? What chart?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

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Why and why?

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You never answered this, Al. Let me add that on your reads list not long before, you had Barto and Cuth among your slight town, for content and scumhunting, respectively, yet in the post quoted, you say you'll be fine with either being lynched? And what about your scum reads? You said this in reply to the post of Barto I quoted right before this, did that make him lose his town rank in your eyes? How/Why?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'll look over Cuth's posts again sometime before I go to sleep.

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Did you do this and did you see anything you'd missed?

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I'm trying to break out of my activity based meta.

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...? What does this mean? What prompted this?

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

LL has tripped a few wires here and there for people. I'm null currently. I really like the analysis we're getting, but feels a bit like their trying to keep their head out of ring. That could be a conservative townie, or it could be a conciliatory mafia. I like the feedback enough though that I wouldn't vote that way yet. Analysts are prime assets and all.

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You were answering Barto's question in Al's place, why? And why do you specifically answer about landlubber, the one person in that list who Al didn't read town?

And GH, you stand as the top lynch candidate, what do you have to say about that? Anyone you think should stand in your place? I understand you're voting jht because you feel he just takes up a spot?

Vote: GH

BAYS.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Did you do this and did you see anything you'd missed?

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Not before sleep caught up to me. I did it a little while ago and nothing really jumped out at me. Cuth reads town, he's been prodding people and looking for holes.

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And GH, you stand as the top lynch candidate, what do you have to say about that? Anyone you think should stand in your place? I understand you're voting jht because you feel he just takes up a spot?

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I mean, most of the votes on me are a load of crap very poorly reasoned, but the problem is I think it's more likely that the mafia actually tries to fit in and contribute rather than just bold my name and bow out of the thread for the day. Except for JHT, he'd do that regardless.

You know what? I think Vote:GeneralHankerchief might really be right here.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Unvote: Jarema
Vote: johnhughthom

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This is a large part of what stands out to me. This is before the khaan thing, and he just votes. I ask why, someone else gives me a reason, but his only reason, several posts later, is activity. And even then he doesn't respond directly to me. It just seems a little off.

It was in direct response to JHT's most recent post at the time, which I thought was inadequate and didn't need any further explanation.

PSA: So I'm kind of sick and my activity will suffer. Will try to get better soon.

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Originally Posted by landlubber

Also, I use he/him pronouns ~;p.

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Gotcha, will do. Thanks for the info, new around here, so while I disparage the meta, my lack of knowledge of player habits will make me more paranoid since I'm evaluating play style in a vacuum.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

You were answering Barto's question in Al's place, why? And why do you specifically answer about landlubber, the one person in that list who Al didn't read town?

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Al hasn't bother answered initially, so I thought I'd add insight. The lack of info we have as newcomers is a strength and a weakness. I favor pushing more info out into the town consciousness then playing too close to the chest. LL looks mysterious to me, so I wanted some feedback. I get not wanting to let someone wiggle out of a question, but I'm nosey and will stick my head into things. If you get a gotcha moment, I promise to be restrained and only try to steal credit for it later.

Just got back from a sixteen-hour day at work (and have to be up for another one in seven hours), so my head's not exactly in the game right now, and the following may be gibberish...

GH could well be scum. He's not said much to convince me otherwise, and khaan's D1 vote switch doesn't look great for him. His point on jht is valid, but the same basic case could be brought against john in most games. The lynch of Beskar and the killing of Csargo would also make sense from a perspective of khaan and GH taking early moves to eliminate capable townies who know them best.

For all that, though, I've got this nagging feeling that it's all a bit too straightforward - that a scum team of GH and khaan doesn't get busted so easily as this. I've also got weighing on me the fact that I've previously damned a town GH by association with a scum khaan. Wish I had the brain-space to process this properly... :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

The lynch of Beskar and the killing of Csargo would also make sense from a perspective of khaan and GH taking early moves to eliminate capable townies who know them best.

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I'm honestly a bit insulted that you'd think I would need to resort to those kinds of tactics to do well as scum, especially if khaan was my scumbuddy. :snobby:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm honestly a bit insulted that you'd think I would need to resort to those kinds of tactics to do well as scum, especially if khaan was my scumbuddy. :snobby:

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As a conscious strategy? No, I don't imagine for a second you'd go that way.

But anyone playing as scum has a bias in favour of eliminating those who pose the biggest threat. In the moment, I can quite imagine you and khaan making those choices.

vote: SeveringViper

I'm happy enough with GH for the lynch, but SV is my top pick based on content.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

But anyone playing as scum has a bias in favour of eliminating those who pose the biggest threat. In the moment, I can quite imagine you and khaan making those choices.

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Unless your ego is overinflated enough to the point where you'd want to keep them alive for a while to string them along and beat the best. :juggle2:

That's pretty much the only reason I'm not voting for you. :bow:

Then you admit to having an overinflated ego?

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

LL has tripped a few wires here and there for people. I'm null currently. I really like the analysis we're getting, but feels a bit like their trying to keep their head out of ring. That could be a conservative townie, or it could be a conciliatory mafia. I like the feedback enough though that I wouldn't vote that way yet. Analysts are prime assets and all.

Vote: Severing Viper. Where'd you go buddy?

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As Monsieur de Viper says, where's Al to answer that?

(also, that vote is invalid)

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Originally Posted by landlubber

I'm not trying to be conservative, not really. I'm not usually the kind of person who speculates openly in-thread, although I do realize that the limitations on private messaging mean that I ought to be more forthcoming than usual. For what it's worth, I've still got Al Sips as town. Nothing has really changed there. JHT could still be mafia, sure, but he's never easy to read. I'd lynch several people in this thread before him. I've got a vote on Zain because his flinches seem more severe than regular eagerness. He's quite worried about how his words are perceived, and I don't like that.

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Bolded: such as…?

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Originally Posted by edse

I found nothing wrong in Khaan's reasoning about Scarlett and didn't like the other candidates so that's why I voted for her. In hindsight it wasn't wise.

Does tonight's write-up indicate that Scarlett was an important role?

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Possibly. Probably. Whether important in-sotry or in terms of abilities, I don't know, but the update (post #331) does say the role was ‘the Duchess’.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

What does this mean? What chart?

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Oh, it's a jokey answer, a chart made by Kennigit on CFC around five years ago, it might still be on Imageshack.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Bolded: such as…?.

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Zain, for starters. Beyond him, Cuth, Nightbringer, and Severing Viper all strike me as more scummy than JHT.

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Originally Posted by landlubber

Zain, for starters. Beyond him, Cuth, Nightbringer, and Severing Viper all strike me as more scummy than JHT.

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What about Hankie?

Also, why and in which order?

btw I've just realised I haven't voted. vote:Autolycus

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Originally Posted by Zain

Just want to be helpful, I just can't keep up. It's like y'all know rules and strategies I haven't heard of so I'm learning.

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Gonna start with this cos I know I'm feeling ruffled, potentially in pretty much the same way. D2 ran away from me too quickly and being busy IRL doesn't help. In most cases I'm willing to give behaviour like this an early pass because I have this exact trouble. Zain, how much mafia have you played? (It might help me understand you more if I knew more about your meta).

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Oh dear, I need to get my head in this game.

Here is a compilation of seireikhaan's posts for convenience.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

DAY 1



Might slant me towards believing GH is town since there is no real reason to draw associations with your fellow mafia.



Pretty meaningless response.



(Barto had just voted GH)

I would say this is basically just playing into normal meta, although again no real reason to think he would do this towards fellow mafia without need, especially since all the votes were so close on day 1.



I find it hard to believe he would be having this conversation with fellow mafia, so I'm inclined to trust cass.



I would say this is just a meta post.



Again, I would say this is basically meta. It just feels too blatant to be a bluff against either GH or El Barto




This is probably the most interesting post to me. While it is, in and of itself, a fair point, I just don't see the reason to stick your neck out like this as mafia. Until this point all of seireikhaan's posts have been very insubstantial, so why suddenly throw yourself into a debate? It just makes your name more visible. While it could be that he simply felt he needed to look more active, I'm inclined to think this may have been provoked by something.

That Scarlett was gotten rid of tonight is probably just because she was a clear innocent after this post.

As such, I'm wanting to look more closely at Al Sipsclar for the time being. I'm going to go through the thread more closely again, but I might as well stick this here for now.

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I liked this post. The only thing I disagree with is that I didn't really have Scarlett fully clear for this. It's a bad habit carried over from my first game with her - Sorry Miyu! :P :P

@Nightbringer, did you get a chance to figure anything further out? How does Al Sips look to you now?

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Also, this is a great characterization of my usual activity in mafia games for a while now, although i do tend to get much more active once there are less people around. I tend to find the early game a bit overwhelming.

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I tend to find this entire game overwhelming... but fun when I can keep up! Thanks for the meta - it's hard being new...

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Originally Posted by edse

1. Jarema
2. GeneralHankerchief
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
10. Raith Kemmler
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper

16 people left. The four that voted for Khaan are probably not mafia. I'm not mafia.

The first day Khaan made an early joke vote.

Later, when GH was tied for the lead, he changed it.


That's good enough for me at the moment Vote: GeneralHankerchief

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I pretty much agree, but why you have to cross everybody's name out so soon? I feel like I'm already dead :( :( :( At least things clear up when I die :D Sorry. Brain farts. When does your poison kick in again?

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

I wouldn't say so, the flavor text does imply her death was in exchange for an important mafia role going down, but flavor is flavor, never wise to read into it unless the host says it might contain hints.

Also, hi, have a votecount:
GeneralHankerchief: edse, Jarema, Al Sipsclar
edse: autolycus
Zain: landlubber
johnhughthom: GeneralHankerchief
SeveringViper: Raith Kemmler (improper formatting)
Al Sipsclar: Zain

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And a few questions:


What does this mean? What chart?



You never answered this, Al. Let me add that on your reads list not long before, you had Barto and Cuth among your slight town, for content and scumhunting, respectively, yet in the post quoted, you say you'll be fine with either being lynched? And what about your scum reads? You said this in reply to the post of Barto I quoted right before this, did that make him lose his town rank in your eyes? How/Why?


Did you do this and did you see anything you'd missed?



...? What does this mean? What prompted this?


You were answering Barto's question in Al's place, why? And why do you specifically answer about landlubber, the one person in that list who Al didn't read town?

And GH, you stand as the top lynch candidate, what do you have to say about that? Anyone you think should stand in your place? I understand you're voting jht because you feel he just takes up a spot?

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TY for the vote count. I mostly liked this post, even though it kind of felt like #work. I need to go back and look at D1 votes and why everyone's voting GH again. I'm not necessarily against the lynch but I'm not sure it gives us much more information?

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Vote: GH

BAYS.

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Huh? Is this another meta thing I wouldn't get? Tbh, I'm probably willing to vote GH over my same earlier suspicions but since there's talk of lynching you too it might help if you explain.

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Originally Posted by landlubber

Zain, for starters. Beyond him, Cuth, Nightbringer, and Severing Viper all strike me as more scummy than JHT.

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I'm not sure what to make of this. Like I said, I kind of get where Zain's coming from. Have to look closer at JHT to comment on the rest.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

…But Visor isn't playing.

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Lol'd

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I'll be fine with El Barto's lynch.
Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

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Why? I have been mostly fine with your logic (and can even understand you not liking the difference in our play styles :P) but still have a similar view of El Barto as I did D1, although I'm wary.... The WIFOM is strong with this one. Is there something that I'm missing?

TBH my head's a mess right now. I'll try to vote before EoD but I'll be out on mobile trying to weigh things up as I go, but my vote will probably be last minute again :P

GLGL!

Nested quotes are pain.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I'll be fine with El Barto's lynch.
Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

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Why and why?

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You never answered this, Al.

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I did answer that, but...

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

I'm trying to break out of my activity based meta.

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...? What does this mean? What prompted this?

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... you did not understand.

That was my response to El Barto's "why and why". It was supposed to show up right under it, but GH posted before me, and I didn't bother to go back and edit in a quote.
My change of heart on El Barto, LL and Cuth was prompted by GH criticizing me for correlating activity to townieness in #360. So I thought whom I considered town mostly due to activity, and these three came to mind at that moment.
Mind you, this is likely just a paranoia. I can't get good reads on these guys.

I'm really torn about General. His posts sound reasonable, but I don't like his D1 vote and tunneling on JHT.
However, I'd rather lynch SV or Nightbringer over GH.
Vote: SeveringViper

GH (Edse, Jarema, Al Sips, JHT, Cuth)
Edse (Auto)
Zain (Landlubber)
JHT (GH)
Al Sips (Zain)
Sev (Winston, Al Sips)
Auto (El Barto)

End of Day Three

An undercover agent was brought out and tried for crimes against the court. They were shocked to find out the truth!

GeneralHankerchief was lynched!

He was

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Deep Agent

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

But Upon his death he was actually aligned to a third party.

Alive: 15/20
1. Jarema
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
10. Raith Kemmler
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper

Dead: 5/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.

48 hours for day.