okay i was gonna say "i have plenty of time to try to get vanta to go over over me" but then i realized that eod is in like
80 minutes
lol
well yes, i think we should swap to vanta over me, obviously
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okay i was gonna say "i have plenty of time to try to get vanta to go over over me" but then i realized that eod is in like
80 minutes
lol
well yes, i think we should swap to vanta over me, obviously
LollmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Well I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Lol lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Vanta Black
okay im going to try a little AtE first
Yall are talking about the fact that if im a wolf, there's a decent chance that im the last wolf standing. My role is also verified, so the only way i have anything other than my card + the factional is if i have a partner. So a lone wolf Maple world does not end if we ml here.
If I am a wolf with a partner, who is my partner?
1) grr
2) insom
3) ender
If the wolf is one of you three, and we vote out vanta, we lose the game. That being said, yall have more or less narrowed things down to either being *just me* or *vanta + me*. So if we vote out vanta, the game continues, yeah?
And if I'm the last wolf standing, and we vote vanta, the game *still* continues.
So it's safe to do.
But lets keep it a stack. How bad would it feel if we voted me, Maple, out before vanta -- a very clearly safe kill today -- and the game just ends? That dead villager, after dead villager, after dead villager *died* keeping me alive day after day. That 2 PRs, Jan and dolby, died instead of me, keeping me alive.
That would really fucking suck.
And that's the world we live in. Do we want to head into DVC together like that? It'd fuckin blow. So as yall are saying, yall are clearing each other. So what's the difference? Just vote vanta today instead.
And yes, this is perhaps the literal most wolfy line I could possibly take, but cmon, am I *wrong*?
Manti you're taking 2 polar opposite approaches within the span of a few minutes
You could've either cased a deep wolf
Or you could've pushed vanta
You were aiming for the first with exploring myself / ender, and are now aiming for the second
Can I ask if this is pure self pres or you actually have reasons to wolf read vanta? Cuz if you do, im not sure you said them
By the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
i never claim the sunbae shot if im a wolf. i dont have to. no one could have known i even had a vigshot. in fact, i probably vig the most villagery player and just dont claim it. not like anyone knows where any shots are coming from here anyway.
idk i wish i could solve this game by towncasing myself we would have zero problems then lmao.
anyway
yall, lets put our heads together
i know the spew looks godawful for me, outside of benneh. Yall are still going on about the EoD1 vote, despite the fact that i've explained it a million times, which is honestly *fair*
it was a blunder to not get someone to post a paragraph of meta on it before everyone able to died, oopsiepoopsie
And I know my voting this game has been pretty bad. The votes on knights, me not voting the day dolby died -- yeah, i think those are all the blunders so far, really.
It's all *really* bad. But think about it, it's *so* bad that there's no possible way that I'm a wolf with a line to win, right? Like even right now, if I'm a wolf im absolutely fucked stupid. But my play *does* make sense in the context of an uninformed, absolutely shitass, washed villager. Right? My reads have been on the bad side of mid, my role actions have been just plain *ineffectual*. My day play has been pretty dog, there's been some bad luck and my periods of wim have been annoyingly baron as far as like gameplay things go.
But is that wolfy? Well, yeah, but it isn't the play of a wolf.
well i was hoping to get the exact team squared away, then switching to winning the 1v1. But uhQuote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
i don't have time for that
so im switching gears
Vote: Unvote
Did you feel at any point today that ender / vanta was the most likely team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Or what were your thoughts? Just your feelings coming into today
Players Votes
Maple 1 (EnderWiggin)
so my feelings coming into today were as followsQuote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
the thing about mont i posted closer to SoD
i felt it unlikely for grr to be a wolf overall, based on the card claim seeming both real but also totally unnecessary if w
i felt that a vanta/ender team on the day that knights went over is a lil weird given that's a big bus on a day that goes to rand - w/ the asterisk of all of the shit ive talked about wrt that eod over the past few days, ive gone into my thoughts about that in a lot of detail, i think.
i felt that if you are a wolf your last teammate being vanta would imply a need for something a little more longterm.
okay pause, while typing this out i just had a thought
wouldn't it be funny if the card i gave vanta the other day was used to strongman a kill onto mont last night? cause accelerator should make you kill before protects can be activated, so even if mont self-targeted, the kill would still go off. i really should have thought about that yesterday, huh
im gonna need to level with yall
if i go over today, im gonna get ripped to shreds in dvc cause my play this game has been utterly dog
especially if it ends the game in a world of 2
I guess i can't understand how rn you can't see a vanta / ender team
They're obviously going for the mislunch on you today, no?
I really need you to sell a world manti, if you want to live. You're hedging a ton but it's really not helping
I feel like i'd burst in laughter rn with vanta being awol the entire day and coming at eod to make sure to stay alive and she also said she'd vote you
I agree with this, for reasons posted belowQuote:
Originally Posted by Maple
To be clear im not trying to influence you into anything cuz that team could be wrong
But im trying to place myself in your shoes and i can't understand how you don't have a team to push or at least a singular person that you are more likely to vote for actual posting reasons
i feel like you're misunderstanding something about the things im saying hereQuote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
i can obviously see a vanta ender team, i even outlined what i think their line was
d5 bus wisdom (knights died in the 50/50 which works great for their purposes, but lets just go based on what the plan was)
d6, the people who didnt go for wisdom look bad, me and sunbae are out of position and votable. They need 2 mls, and that's 2 right there. Additionally, knights is still on the block because despite everything i think its pretty reasonable to try to go for a knights in a f6. So lets say I go over d6.
come into d7 with 6 alive, the ability to vote sunbae>knights>you in descending order w/ one of grr/mont killed in the night, depending on which player is more likely to give accurate reads.
Either ender was looking for something specific in the card he gives vanta, or the card listed was a lie. In the lie case, use that as a difference check against me or perhaps whoever i give a card to the next day or try to vote me out before I can verify it, all of which seem pretty reasonable especially in the world where wisdom goes over first.
im not misunderstanding anything
your entire PoE is pushing for you to die and there's no righteousness in your play here or someone to push. idk if i had vanta / ender in my poe and vanta came at eod to reply to me like that i'd burst into laughter and just instinctively push her just to live
at least knights went down swinging, you're just begging for your life
idk what level you're on cuz this is odd regardless
Ih, you've probably read more of the game
Is ender / vanta viable?
ofc if's viableQuote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
I mean if it's likely
My impression is that it would fit too easily
Well prior to uh
30m ago i was ignoring my wagon in favour of getting a correct solve so I could identify the villagers who I need to convince and the wolves I need to kill.
World of 2 means we all need to vote together today, after all.
But I don't have the luxury of time here
And hey there's a nonzero chance that the ate "oohhh it'll suck so bad if we lose here" might work lol
My spot is bad and I'm struggling to find good places to push to not die here, so im really emphasizing how pathetic my position is and contrasting that against how much better my position could be made to be if w
i... uh?? idk i feel like i would have the entire game(that i did read) in my memory rn (which I dont)Quote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
maybe there is something wrong with my process and i should take constant notes on every possible team in the future or something.
lmao.
about something else.
I have been wondering why Vanta thought one of the cards he got was a vig (and i believe that was the one he got off... maple?) ummm Ace of Swords or something? So like uh, brother what the fuck why arent we just policykilling everyone who claims a role next time.
but my q. is ig why did Maple give Vanta a card that even remotely sounds like it could be a vig in the first place?
Vanta popped in for eod just to say that
Unbelievable
This is what I mean, she has like 0 awareness for how she looks lmfaooooooo
Like yes we should kill vanta here because from the pov of every player alive they are likely a wolf, be it as my partner, a solo, one of yall, etc. Villagers swapping before eod would likely force the other wolf assuming it exists to bus, and we'd be onto a f3.
But of the two of us, vanta and I, from yall's pov if one of us are a villager and need to not get got in the f3, it should be me cause I'm far less likely to just straight up die there.
And if yall are going to kill one of us then the other 95% of the time, with the usual f3 reevaluation, then it still makes more sense to kill me second.
I had vanta as v prior to reevaluation.Quote:
Originally Posted by grr
But also, that's a good point. If we're w/w it's INSANE for us to openly claim that shit.
I knew the card was not a vig but if the Ace of Swords isn't a vig, I mean, what does it sound like? "The ace signifiies a brreakthrough or a new way of thinking." Well, it's a modifier, not a role. I do not know what Maple thought it was. Or why Maple picked me instead of someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by grr
You two have both wolfed with me.
Grr, you remember me coaching you through your fake claim? You remember how hands-on I am when it comes to partner interaction, and cheerleading the team, and generally just constantly talking in wolf chat
Does a me/vanta world feel like that?
I was hoping for specifically a cop check, to be fair. A check or a difference would have been *lovely*Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanta Black
yea my question is why did maple look in the "swords" category in the first place when giving you a card. like its not what i'd do, cuz. I wouldnt want you to end up with a vigshot somehow. but honestly the mech is just kinda annoying me (cuz its kinda... too much LMFAO) we should have just killed everyone claimed anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanta Black
Insom/Vanta annoys me.
Because there's nothing like... pairing. But also nothing unpairing. Insom mostly soft-clears her a bunch later on.
Eh. I could argue that's pairing actually. But that feels like a stretch that I'd have to assume something to get a clear link out of.
Vote: Maple
sorry if wrong bronana
ok fair point tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
See my biggest problem here is that you claimed you were trying to solve the game but like...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Everything in thread rn has been more about you trying to stay alive than solve.
Even when you were "solving" you were saying some vague things about like "Idk if Ender/Insom works" and then no discussion or clear idea of why or what you were thinking about.
You just put statements about it in thread.
If Maple is V and I've confbiased myself, well it sucks.
But idk every time I go doubting myself I see a set of Maple posts and re-convince myself it's right.
I get I'm sort of arguing against one of the things I was saying is a reason to spare me but let the record show that the claims so far this game dont have my fingers on them, when you get down to it.
Why did wisdom claim 2shot? I've been saying it since the day of the claim, that doesn't *reaaaally* make sense vs a full arso and undermines the claim.
Plus the stuff yesterday.
And besides, if I'm wolf after Ben dies I'm tightening that ship, we're in deep shit and Jan just died protecting me. Why would I play so passively? Even when I have the opportunity to be in thread, my gameplay has been passive and focused almost entirely on solving. I'm not even really pushing outside of key moments. I'm not burying people. Like if I'm a wolf, my only reasonable wincon is the village eating itself, but i don't have the longevity for that.
if you're a wolf then i dont think someone has ever snowed me like this beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
So gg
I think im sold that you and grr are villagers. In that world it's either vanta / maple or just 1 in those two and the lunch doesn't matter today cuz game would not end
But mostly i think maple is just the solo wolf alive, no matter how wild that sounds
I didn't think nl would make the ability distribution so obvious. And I think I'm being shown to be correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by grr
Eod is in 23 minutes and there's a decent chance it ends with us losingQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I need us to swap ASAP
I've changed gears, as it were
I'm ngl.Quote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
The main reason I keep having doubts is you being like "Maple lunch makes sense! And there's probably only 4 wolves!"
Which is a great line if you/Vanta just want Maple out.
Insom, my role is confirmed. I can only give other people gifts. If I'm solo wolf I cannot win today.
If I'm v, we realistically have a high chance of losing.
God one of yall being village sucks lol
Literally what I'm saying. I'm a defenseless little baby, let's punt someone with an actual wincon insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
vote: vanta
Grr, at least humor me here. If you swap at :69 and I die, so be it. But let's be real, this day has been on one track the entire time and I KNOW you can feel how ominous that is.
Insert butterfly meme "Is this ATE?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
If I'm picking I'm going with "Cups" just for the sound of it. But I wasn't picking.Quote:
Originally Posted by grr
Players Votes
Maple 2 (EnderWiggin, insomnia)
Vanta Black 1 (Maple)
Yes, I literally said I'm using ate this eod keep upQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
You can not win today, i agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Maple
You can win tomorrow
Lmao. Well at least you're honest about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Can you explain why you ruled out ender/inso again? I think you did I just forgot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Then kill me tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
yeah I cant go into that anymore pre EoD. its a lot of detailed shit i just had a short glimpse at the wikipedia page today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanta Black
Enders play around the PR + their divergent handling of wisdom slotQuote:
Originally Posted by grr
I think insom parking and running on a day where w!ender would want to coordinate a bus makes it seem improbable.
Granted if they're w/w were already sort of fucked here lol
I think ender is more likely w than insom just cause I think insom busses there
That or missed eod for nai reasons I suppose lol
Vote: Vanta Black
probs changing back just want to look like im thinking about it to not be rude (for my defnese, I AM thinking about it the thing is just eod crunch hours really bring out the worst in me)
Players Votes
Maple 2 (EnderWiggin, insomnia)
Vanta Black 2 (Maple, grr)
Vote: Maple
I don't like EoD crunch much either.
To clarify, insom knows he's going to bed so I assume would drop the final vote of the day before going to bed so the vote on knights is basically ~forced in a way. As w a wider approach makes sense if your last two partners are vanta wisdomQuote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Vote: Vanta Black
:curtain:
el oh el
lmao yeah obviously it doesnt FEEL RIGHT i just dont make gut decisions in non-turbs usually becuz i can live better with what i decided before than clowning last minute. maybe its another of my flaws cuz thats clearly what contributed to knights dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Attachment 26785Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Players Votes
Vanta Black 3 (Maple, grr, EnderWiggin)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Vanta Black)
dvc probably screaming at me how i can not just snap vanta here
either that or im the goat for not voting her here
The entirety of this games mechs are a crapahoot at the end of the day
I'm excited to see the full breakdown, but fuck I'm awful at kill dodging lol
if insomnia pretended to be asleep to get ladd and knights killed i would laugh.
Idk insom I wish I could have a solve on you but it's tough. Do you agree with my bussing hypothesis? You strike me as the type to go for the solohero after Ben dies, but you haven't commented on that, as opposed to other bits of what I said
now that would be eliteQuote:
Originally Posted by grr
Vote: Maple
Nah I want Maple out lol.
It's really not tough, which is why im voting youQuote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Tbf probably actually just asleep regardless of alignment, but that means the selected votes matter more when taken into the context of when they're placed.Quote:
Originally Posted by grr
And no, i would be thankful i randed wolf in this team so i can powerwolf and either end up dead early and not be in this spot or to clutch it up with my breaux
btw inso before the day ends you should remind these fine gentleman to not misyeet me in f3 if it comes to such a thing (if this logically doesnt make sense its cuz its uninformed)
Well hopefully it's a world of 1 lol
becuz IF u are villa and its 2 wolves left AND its not over in 3 minutes u would likely be gone tomorrow lmao
Grr is not to be votedQuote:
Originally Posted by grr
-the voices of all people who have meta on him
Idk I *get* killing me here but I think a more objective standpoint would see just how not wolf I am here lol
But it's a fine line between antitown and wolf so whatever
Pls don't take my death from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by grr
If Maple flips red I wanna die so I don't have to deal with F3.
Meow meow meow
Sorry yall wish I didn't get sick so often
Vote: Maple
sorry if wrong, to everyone. GGS etc if it ends