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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYXdWkZYYSo
Yes, I will concede that pever's shown me quite a bit of faith, particularly in passing on Pizza's information to me and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
However, there's one slight difference between myself and you though; neither of us are confirmed innocents, but for pever, your word alone suffices whereas mine does not.
I have stated my opinion on that friendship stance (Beskar and I have known one another for twelve years but we're not above lying to each other for mafia if it's required), but if he maintains you're innocent, then you must be.
I'm not quite certain how, but fair enough.Quote:
We feel the same way about you, to be sure.
I don't understand what you mean by this.Quote:
Honestly, call me whatever, I love to spar, but stop talking crap about pever when you don't even have the full inside information.
Yes and yes, actually.Quote:
Has it ever occurred to you that there was a bigger reason to protect the two names he gave you than just pevereenk or whatever? Has it ever occurred to you that I have told pever everything I know just as you, and am either making or not making my moves on his command as well.
The twenty gold thing was mentioned, yes... but the "dwarven legionnaire" bit, you'd have had to have participated, or at least read the thread, to know that.Quote:
It could very well be those people, or yourself. Also people read games who don't play them, and I made mention of the 20 gold thing in CoV as well.
I still don't understand why Pizza's loyalty and relaying everything through pevergreen was rewarded with a vig-kill... to prove a point?Quote:
One of the major points of the Atpg kill which we both agreed upon, was to show how dumb the vig kills were. Also you gotta admit it is pretty ironic and mildly entertaining that a guy who is commanding a horde was killed easily by one person. :beam:
I knew all this already, but I still don't like to say that a player's useless just because their role has been neutered. The thing is, this game offers little to a player after death; why bother to contribute when you've lost anyway?Quote:
While killing a 0 strength player would make one less kill for the Mafia, a 0 strength player very importantly adds nothing to the defense of pever. We were thinking, Atpg has just organized a huge number of people against what is probably an innocent. He isn't valuable to the defense of pever either. Another rationalization for attacking him is that should the attack fail, then the guy quite clearly was not a 1 strength townie, and this would be exposed immediately. At the risk of not too big a loss of a 0 strength townie. Atpg will continue to help town after his death anyway.
On that note, I'm not sure Pizza will continue to contribute after something we discussed earlier; I do hope he changes his mind, though.
That's my opinion, and I'd honestly say it again if need be; it's our right to question, after all.Quote:
You on the other hand have said some quite treasonous things. :wink:
I unvoted you after speaking to pever, though; I'm not certain how you mean threatening though, not much I could do against you even if I wanted to. :PQuote:
Come on, you know how I operate. If I could do more than just THREATEN you with death, then I would leave out that step. See Atpg. Lord pever has declared you off limits. I am respecting that. not to mention that you are voting for me and threatening me in some way as well. :rolleyes: It's part of the banter, I suggest you enjoy it a bit. :smiley:
Because your statement seemed to insinuate that I had decided they were proven town of my own volition regardless of any evidence there could have been to the contrary.Quote:
No, how did you infer that from my statement? Atpg is almost certainly town, or was a 1 strength mafia which doesn't make too much sense. I don't know much about GE, but he was probably town given the writeup that showed he was too weak to fight back.
I have no idea, no reveals upon death.Quote:
Are you disputing that who you killed were town?
That doesn't really bother me, there's other people been wandering around killing without talking to anyone and they probably will continue to do so after pever says they shouldn't.Quote:
You did seem bitter, because essentially, you came off as very upset that we would be operating in a vig group outside your jurisdiction and killing people yo didn't want killed.
It's an off-the-cuff statement, Reenk; it didn't need you posting your role PM.Quote:
Yeah, who said we're playing for a pevereenk victory but you? here are the victory conditions, you should know them if you're a townie :inquisitive:, but here they are:
It's fun, though!Quote:
Come on, arguing with Atpg is time consuming. Can you at least give us points for efficiency? :beam:
I think any player would react like me if they were threatened by Naritsugu's right-hand man; apology accepted, however.Quote:
You really did seem to portray that in your posts. I may be wrong and you were just a merely outraged townie at my threat, but that's what I thought. Sorry if I was wrong. :shrug:
pevergreen asked me to desist with the vigilante attacks, and so there won't be any coming from me; however, I cannot ensure that the rest of my group will comply with that, let alone the independent vigilantes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I'm not pissed off, I just like to think I sign up for a game and get my fun out of it; that hasn't happened in quite a while unfortunately, but at least this one's had some action. :>Quote:
Again, I'm sorry, and it's not namecalling in intent at least, but you really do seem bitter, even in this post. Again, THIS IS THE POINT OF THE GAME. You really seem pissed about it. And to be honest, I probably wouldn't have joined this game had pever not told me that he got the role of the Lord.
What do you mean?Quote:
Not that it matters now, you've basically have a mutiny on your hands, and pever and you if you want wont stop it.
For now, I'd be willing to accept slash's claims that he has an entirely new role. However, if pever wants him dead, he should say so. :bow:Quote:
I would have s&b killed ASAP. Say you got another 8 people running around tonight to kill me, then s&b might want to take a shot at pever, as do the Mafia. Perhaps they overcome his defense at that point?
I will kill or protect by the direction of pever or one of his representatives. I can prove im not a serial killer by not killing tonight or for the rest of the game if you think that's approriate, pever?
I'm gonna streamline things a bit for easier reading.
Diamondeye: Man, my Time Cube buddy, I tried to honor you by communicating with one of my favorite songs, and you reply with Britney? Britney isn't even too much to look at anymore, I think Simon, John, and Nick are prettier. :sad:
Secura:
I'm fairly sure that pever is using more than my word at this point. I have also given further reasons why pever should trust me more than often. I'm not in the business of betraying people who have been good to me. It's not just blind pevereenk.Quote:
However, there's one slight difference between myself and you though; neither of us are confirmed innocents, but for pever, your word alone suffices whereas mine does not.
Also, could you tell me why your word does not suffice alone? I don't think pever has a detective result on you, and yet you are the second most powerful player in the game besides pever.
Yes. Since our convo is all over the place, here are our justifications for killing Atpg:Quote:
I still don't understand why Pizza's loyalty and relaying everything through pevergreen was rewarded with a vig-kill... to prove a point?
1) He was leading vigging efforts. We didn't like that.
2) He was vigging with a very large amount of players, which left pever more vulnerable.
3) He had just lost a duel, and was at 0 strength. This meant he had no effect on pever's defense.
4) Given 3, we thought it was worth the risk of killing a 0 strength townie, to potentially flag someone who wasn't who he said he was.
Given all of these reasons, the vig on Atpg to us seems like the most justifiable one yet.
Can you please give your justifications for your killings? In private if need be.
Ah, my bad. Unvote: Secura Though you had just as much chance of facing the lynch as I did.Quote:
I unvoted you after speaking to pever, though;
Eh, it's all been done with Atpg before. I don't think I've argued with you in depth, a little in Shadow Fort, but not much arguing was needed to be done before you confessed.Quote:
It's fun, though!
The reason I described you as bitter was mainly this. You saw the GE kill and concluded it was me. But you didn't seem too upset about it at the time, giving it a mere ":/" and moving on.Quote:
I think any player would react like me if they were threatened by Naritsugu's right-hand man; apology accepted, however.
And you and I both know that I am not technically Lord pever's right hand. Beefy chose that role randomly (which is a shame because I joined thinking pever would choose). Still, the actual right hand is just boss, and I'm happy to be the less important public figurehead. :beam:
Only AFTER I made my threat to you did you seem to almost explode. This situational factor made me draw the conclusions that I did.
Thanks though ~:grouphug:
tl;dr:
I don't for a second believe that me being part of killing a 0 strength Atpg, and ALLEGEDLY killing GE who was also probably 0 strength given the writeup, as anywhere as near harmful to the town as killing people who are basically lurkers (which is what I gathered from your choices).
This is because even a lurker is contributing if he has 1 or more strength to pever's defense.
The very notion that pever's defense is drawn from us makes the idea of killing townies with strength a HUGE loss, which is why vigging is especially bad for this game.
We should save our vigging for select targets we actually know a thing or two about (beyond mere suspicion).
Lastly (not directed to you Secura, but rather the more uncontrollable elements of your group), vig killing me is a pretty bad plan, especially as I will grow stronger tonight. You will upset pever, and certainly be killed off yourselves. Decide wisely.
I had to find something which suited the occassion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
So - here's the awkward part - I browsed my iTunes and Britney was the first artist I came up with which worked (I considered Immortal Technique briefly for a more aggressive reply). We wuv Britney :love:
It just doesn't; pevergreen's trusting me based on his previous trust of Pizza and that it was Pizza's wish that I take up what he was doing... whereas your word is your bond, the same doesn't apply to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I could say "I'm innocent" until the cows come home and he'd not bat an eyelid, whereas you need only say it once and he believes you. Those are pretty much his own words too. :P
No need for privacy, I have nothing to hide. :bow:Quote:
Can you please give your justifications for your killings? In private if need be.
I don't know why Lord of Lent was killed, I was simply following the orders I received while alive. Captain Blackadder was killed because he was a potential suspect of Pizza before he died. Cecil XIX was killed because he was lurking and considering the only other game I had to go on for his usual behaviour (Order of the Stick, he was mafia), I made the judgement call for him to die and was told it was a fine choice.
The other deaths, such as Kagemusha and Chimpyang, weren't related to my vigilante group as far as I know, though I have said that three of them failed to send orders; one confirmed that they chose to protect pevergreen instead, which I commended and was fine with, but the actions of the other two are unknown... I believe it's simple inactivity at this stage.
Well, the ":/" face was essentially "it might have been Reenk, but nothing we can do if it was". God Emperor's death was annoying and needless in my opinion, but clearly it's no great loss to you; I understand why now, but I still don't agree with it. :PQuote:
The reason I described you as bitter was mainly this. You saw the GE kill and concluded it was me. But you didn't seem too upset about it at the time, giving it a mere ":/" and moving on.
This is basically a double-edged sword, though; we keep them alive because even by lurking/inactivity they'll be keeping pevergreen alive, but this stifles town discussion as the mafia will eventually start picking the active players off and leaving said lurkers alive. There's also the possibility that a mafia could be hiding among the lurkers to begin with.Quote:
This is because even a lurker is contributing if he has 1 or more strength to pever's defense.
Why do you bow to this tyrant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Is it because he's impartial? Or wise?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Desist and you may live, at least for a while.
But in the end, when it's all done,
would you be willing to trade your survival,
for one chance,
just one chance,
to come back here, and tell pevergreen,
that he may take away your vote,
but he'll never take away, your FREEEEDOM!!!!!!!
***
Vigilante is your only meaningful power in this game, don't trade it away to survive, and hope that pevergreen will make the right decisions. He's biased toward Reenk, you know it, everyone knows it.
Do what you deem best, and WTH if pever decides to kill you for it.
LET THE VIGILANTES FIGHT!!! FOR SECURA!!!!!! :charge:
Now I really wish to be alive in this game. :bigcry: Beefy!!! Put me on as a replacement. :grin:
Well, then his trust in you seems to be based on his trust in Atpg. Simply one more level of indirection for basically the same thing. :shrug: Though we've gotten the feeling (he never explicitly said it but the feeling is there) that pever doesn't want you dead. We didn't get that with Atpg...Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
OK, ignoring Lord of Lent as you weren't in command at that point, Blackadder I'm not too concerned about (he voted me, I major FoS'd him - he got what he deserved :beam:) although you just killing him based on Atpg's suspicion seems weird but whatever. I haven't played much with Cecil but didn't he lurk in CoV too as a townie?Quote:
I don't know why Lord of Lent was killed, I was simply following the orders I received while alive. Captain Blackadder was killed because he was a potential suspect of Pizza before he died. Cecil XIX was killed because he was lurking and considering the only other game I had to go on for his usual behaviour (Order of the Stick, he was mafia), I made the judgement call for him to die and was told it was a fine choice.
I can understand killing lurkers late in the game a bit more, they aren't doing what they're supposed to or ignoring something, though even then it's a stretch. This early it just seems a lot more likely more innocent Samurai are going to be killed. And as said before, they are vital to pever's defense.
I don't agree. Obviously Mafia could be lurking, but tons of townies lurk, and I have noticed a trend that Mafia are more active. Doesn't mean too much of course, trends are always exploited, but I don't think it bodes well for the killing of all lurkers.Quote:
This is basically a double-edged sword, though; we keep them alive because even by lurking/inactivity they'll be keeping pevergreen alive, but this stifles town discussion as the mafia will eventually start picking the active players off and leaving said lurkers alive. There's also the possibility that a mafia could be hiding among the lurkers to begin with.
I think a much better way to proceed is to have all 1 strength townies fight another one strength townie. That way neither will die, and both will be almost confirmed as 1 strength (they could technically have different strength values but the same as the other or they could be 1 strength Mafia but a lot is still known with this plan).
People who don't listen should be scrutinized. People who end up killing their partner even more so.
This is actually potentially gamebreaking come to think of it, but we might as well try for at least one round.
:laugh4: All right then, you can replace for me and play exactly my position, Lord pever's boots need frequent cleaning. It would be fitting for your treasonous ways. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
Secura, you should have 4 1-strengthers fight each other today and continue with different ones later. Stagger them so not all are leaving pever open.
Replace you? Oh the horror! I must respectfully decline your offer, pever would surely have my head for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I haven't been reading Council of Villains properly in a while, kinda lost interest in reading it fully since I'm not *really* allowed to comment given I know who Pikachu and Doopliss are; therefore, I didn't even know that Cecil XIX was in the game. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
But yes, he was killed for being lurky and he'd acted the same way in OotS; probably just an inherent part of his gameplay, though.
I understand the reasoning, but this would involve revealing the identities of at least some of my former vigilante group; is that not abusing my 'power', as well as revealing easy targets to the mafia?Quote:
I think a much better way to proceed is to have all 1 strength townies fight another one strength townie. That way neither will die, and both will be almost confirmed as 1 strength (they could technically have different strength values but the same as the other or they could be 1 strength Mafia but a lot is still known with this plan).
Let's be honest, I was kidding myself by even believing that I could lead town efforts anyway! :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
As I said earlier, I'd gladly repeat my so-called treason-laden comments; I stand by my opinion, no matter what happens. However, if I die, I lose... and I don't sign up to games to lose. :PQuote:
that he may take away your vote,
but he'll never take away, your FREEEEDOM!!!!!!!
You can easily do it without revealing the identities of them unless it is needed. By the way, of all the townies, vigilantes are the ones I'm least sorry to see go. Especially ones who want to kill me. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
That reminds me, vote: Diamondeye, you won't be in the group that shows up at my place tonight. :knight:
At least you didn't get killed. We simply sat by this time drinking tea with the Lord...Quote:
Let's be honest, I was kidding myself by even believing that I could lead town efforts anyway! :/
I don't like the idea of a SK being part of the town, so I willl vote:slashandburn
I also challenge ReenK Roink for a duel. duel:classical_hero vs Reenk Roink
Obviously not, that would be suicide. I'm not a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Do I see few of you inactive? :curtain:
Liking the activity level of some of you.
I have to go to Uni. I shall do the write up when I get back :bow:
Well, that's a turn-up for the books.
I'm now heavily inclined to believe that slashandburn is telling the truth about his PM from Beefy, since I just received a similar one stating that I could change alignment if I wished, which would mean betrayal of Naritsugu, so I declined. Of course, you'll just have to take my word on that, but feel free to lynch me if you'd rather not.
As for a theory... it's possible that the mafia doesn't actually have any means of recruitment whatsoever, and instead certain players are approached with alignment change PMs from the host in relation to things they may have posted in-thread; since, at one point, I posted some anti-Naritsugu sentiment, I was an obvious choice for an alignment change, as was slashandburn who proposed subservience to the town in exchange for being allowed to live.
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
:juggle2:
:yes:
:grin: say YES!!!!!
:speechless:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
:bigcry:
:furious3:
Hmm... I hate you very much pever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
By the way, Romanic were you Mafia?
My alignment was [rule break detected].Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
:grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Let's kill the SK
unvote; vote:slashandburn
I wish you were still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
I, nameless soldier #24, will follow Miyamoto sama.
Vote: slashandburn
Sorry for my inactivity, I haven't been placing mafia games at the highest priority, nor had enough time during visits to catch up on the thread.
If someone can summarise the case against Secura and show her guilty, I may vote for her but I haven't seen any reason to distrust her yet.
I will Vote: Slashandburn however since I can't see how keeping a serial killer alive is at all beneficial, since we have sufficient strength to meet our targets at night and win anyway, even with absentees (Sorry!).
If anyone disagrees with that, please prove me wrong, I want to get back in the game.
Day 4
As Lord Naritsugu was coming back from his "days work", two men were brought forward.
One was Slashandburn. Whom some of the men were already fairly familiar with.
The other being Reenk Roink.
Kitou came forward and explained the situation.
"We have chosen Slashandburn as todays lynch."
Lord Naritsugu completely ignored it.
"Whos our duelist today? None right? Let Reenk fight Reenk."
Hearing this Reenk spread his smile across his face. While the other whispered to each other.
"How is Reenk going to fight... Reenk?"
Lord Naritsugu commanded his man to execute Slashandburn first before the fun stuff.
"But Lord Naritsugu! I have sworn allegiance to you! I swear it!"
"The men told me you are tough... Is that so?"
"Yes sir.. I am."
"Fine."
smiled Lord Naritsugu and started collecting wooden sticks. He started smacking Slashandburn in the head.
After 20 hard and thick sticks getting smashed in half with Slashandburns head, slashandburn smiled.
"Am I free to go now sir?" he asked. Smiling like a innocent child.
Lord Naritsugu decided to let him go for this time around, thinking how he could actually kill this man with outstanding endurance.
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Reenk stepped forward to duel his evil twin Reenk.
"I see you Reenk! No body else can but I can!!" shouted Reenk.
"Heh... You can see me but can you hit me?" answered back Reenk.
Reenk started to swing around his sword in a random form.
Reenk kept on taunting. "You can't hit me! You can't hit me!!"
Reenk smiled and said "If I focus properly. I can cut anything!"
Reenk replied back. "Aha... But right now I am winning this battle. You're getting tired. While I am healthy and sound."
Reenk was no loser. He bravely commented "No I am not tired. You are."
To that Reenk replied "no you!"
This went on for another 20 minute. Eventually Reenk raised his arm. Shouting.
"TRIUMPH!"
People watching it couldn't quite figure out which Reenk won. But Reenk has won alright.
Reenk wins!
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Lord Naritsugu was entertained. He clapped and dismissed his men to the nights job.
Start night 4!
I confirm what Secura said about the PM. I'm very sorry about uttering those words Lord pever, I did it in the interests of National Security. :shame:
The good thing is we can watch for treason in the thread now, and use it against people.
So slashandburn actually isn't a great lynch. I'd go for Sasaki, Yaropolk, or Diamondeye.
I think 3 days of nothing but faces is pretty good.
Ok, you all should know I'm the victory point of this game.
We are now going to play this game my way. It will not be pretty, but we will win.
Each of you, by the end of the next day phase, will PM me with your strength. If you do not, you will be killed.
If you lie about your strength, you will be killed.
You will be given orders each night phase. If you do not do them, you will be killed.
If you appear to be a traitor, you will be killed.
We must survive 15 night phases to win this game, or kill the two starting mafia. We will be able to do both, but it requires co-operation from the town.
For tonight: Do not attack. You are free to defend either me or others, but if you make attacks tonight, I will assume you are mafia.
Secura is no longer running the show.
Sorry mafia, did you really think I was just gunna not say anything all game? Too easy.
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If it is of any help, I endorse this plan. Please follow it; it's more effective if we agree to it willingly.
Besides, a divided town cannot stand.
But no, Secura, I actually rather enjoy the break. I do this stuff every game to some extent, and if I can do it, I will; being slain effectively removed that option from me, so now I can take a break knowing I did what I thought was right and tried my best.
I wanted to see you run the show for a while, because I haven't seen that before. Could have been fun; at the same time, it's met with disapproval from the Lord so it's not going to happen.
It's less important what you and I want; what matters is, the results. I prefer we act as a team here.
If someone wants me to analyze someone's behavior and posts, be my guest; otherwise I will take a backseat to the Reenk crew.
Lord Naritsugu, do I need to reveal my strength in private again, since I have already stated it in the thread?
For ease on my part, yes.
If i simply have a PM from everyone, its easier for me.
Plus, if somoene has revealed in thread and lied, they have a chance to correct themselves to me.
I will not be passing info to anyone. I will be organising this alone.
It would have been more fun though :sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
My strength is 4 btw.
Mine is 1, obviously.
I expect a PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
https://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1141/emotarghg.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
yeah, like its that much effort.
https://img801.imageshack.us/img801/...1355796581.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
For awhile I thought you could not communicate to us in the thread.
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Originally Posted by classical_hero
Thats what I wanted you to think.
We've been relegated to minor positions Csar. :shame: Let's go and get some ice cream. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Just a fair warning my Lord, this plan is going to be as fun as solving kinematic equations if all goes smoothly. And if it doesn't go smoothly then it is more fun, but since people can apparently convert at will, it will be hard to know who's what. Also you will be killing a lot of innocents who simply aren't active.
The only thing I can say to the townies is that it will take a lot of time to gather enough converts to actually pierce the Lord's pretty much guaranteed loyal servants, and you risk dying which is a major defeat no matter what (victory incentives but some of you really place importance in this :rolleyes:), so you might as well put your head down and obey.
!!
Are you doubting our lord?!
Night 4 summery
Hero. Hero who have defeated the creators favourite, God Emperor was now facing serious danger.
Classical Hero was facing two tough looking Samurai as he was patrolling his sector.
"You two...." Classical Hero grunted in rage.
"I suggest you go out of our way Classical Hero" said one of the attacker "Or you'll get into OUR way."
"Never" replied Classical Hero.
They wasted no time.
All three unsheathed their swords and charged.
Classical Hero was fending off well, considering being out numbered. But eventually the attackers came out victorious.
"You.... Can't win...." said Classical Hero in his last breath.
One of the attacker sadly smiled and signaled the other to leave..
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Lord Naritsugu felt empty. He needed something to feed the stomach.
He found his pet puppy dog barking at him. He gently smiled and unsheathed his sword..
Puppy barks. With tears in his eyes.
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The men gathered up. They found Classical Hero dead, deciding that the threat is far from over.
They started to discuss again.
Players 15/28
pevergreen
secura
Glenn
Diamondeye
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)
Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
slashandburn
Nightbringer
Csargo
Lynched 2/28
Romanic
Subotan
Killed 11/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Cecil XIX
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero
Start day 5
It has come to my attention that two of my fellow samurai are plotting to destroy Reenk Roink, the right hand of our honoured leader Naritsugu.
While I doubt their roles when it comes to the murders in general, we cannot tolerate such rebellious thoughts.
The two perpetrators are Yaropolk and Skooma Addict. I suggest we Vote:Yaropolk as he is the stronger of the two.
Then, perhaps, we can try and duel:ReenkvsSkooma and see how much Skooma is really worth.
May this serve our lord :bow:
you have presumably 24 hours to send me your strength.
Then throw Diamondeye on the pile, as he seems to be a bit eager to suck up.Quote:
Then, perhaps, we can try and duel:ReenkvsSkooma and see how much Skooma is really worth.
There's a line between collaboration and being a kiss fanny, and you've crossed into the brown zone.
Also, please be warned from now on I'll be strict on time.
Day ends exactly 24 hours from the write up :bow:
Which is 11:28 GMT I believe
It's one thing to reject an alignment change and remain town, it's another thing entirely to be a tattle-tale; nobody likes a grass, and I think you just crossed a line there, I'm afraid.
Poor show, DE.
Well you can assess this however you want. I already ratted out the two people to Naritsugu in private. I see no reason to conceal it from the rest of you so you know what's going on.
You think I crossed a line? I'm working for a certain victory condition - keep pevergreen alive - and I deemed it advantageous to cross that line to further that goal.
Basically; In this setup, we're all pevergreen's :daisy:ies, and I'm just doing my best to help within that frame.
Hello, and welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
How would you like to die today?
If that's the case, Diamondeye, you wouldn't mind everyone knowing that you wanted Reenk dead as well, then? Of course, you probably do mind since you neglected to mention that little fact.
The thing is, you prattle on about Skooma and Yaropolk being rebels and enemies of pevergreen, when all they seem to want is Reenk's death; while I'm not condoning such an action, the town can win without Reenk, or indeed any of us, so long as pevergreen survives. Your suggestion that two people who could be town die for targeting another is a bit off, to me.
And pever... I came forward and announced that I received an offer of alignment change and rejected it, something Reenk confirmed as he had the same offer himself; I also stated that if people didn't believe me, they could vig/lynch me as they saw fit.
Because all we have is your word?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
And the fact that I brought the PM from Beefy forward means nothing? Or the fact that Reenk tested my theory and received a PM himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Reenk is far more likely to take it up than Secura. Secura is too proud in the position of "town organizer" to do such a thing.
I'm not disputing the fact that you got one, I'm saying its impossible for us to know if you actually turned it down or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I'm not certain if I can post Beefy's PM, but I sure I can post my own response:
It's up to you take my word for it, pever; I think that, given my previous form, my word means alot.Quote:
What kind of person would that make me, to jump ship the moment a few rats appear?
I'll be staying put, remaining loyal to Naritsugu for as long as I draw breath!
If you don't believe me, that's fair enough; don't waste a lynch though when they're so vital, have me vig-killed by one of your enforcers instead.
Diamondeye is twisting the truth. He approached me to night kill R.R. and since he didn't give me any signal I defended pever instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
vote:diamondeyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
duel: diamond v yaro
So he was trying to set you up, then? How very scummy!
I say we kill them both, have yaro lynched and diamondeye duel me or vice versa.
Vote:Yaropolk
Duel:Daimondeyevs. slashandburn
Slash - my strength has been going to protect pever for the last 3 days. Reenk's has been going to kill townies. Diamondeye is going out of his way to set up townies with the net result being the total defense for pever being lowered. And you think my death will help the town? How about going after scum, or those who are trying to lynch off pever defenders?
vote: Diamondeye
Everything I've said regarding RR is in the thread. You may choose to believe that I honestly wanted him dead, or you can choose to believe I was extremely annoyed at being hounded around and wanted to protest in an entirely harmless way. Either fits me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
NOTICE: The above quote of Yaropolk is a lie. I never approached him, in fact I was IMing with pevergreen himself when I got the PM and immidiately reported it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
The "Diamondeye Quote" in Yaropolk's post is not something I have ever said. If I was uncertain about Yaropolk's allegience before, I no longer am. He seeks to defend himself by the basest of means, and without postmortem reveals, it will be impossible to confirm my words on my death.
If I live through the day, I am ready to suicide attack Yaropolk to prove my point. I'm doing the job of an honest town exposing traitors and people don't believe me.
Honestly, if this grows to be the Bandwagon of the Day, I'm glad I'll be dead 'cause I don't want to touch the town with a ten-foot pole if they believe those obvious lies.
EDIT: RULE ENQUIRY: The original post says nothing on quoting player-to-player communications. What are the rules on these?
Vote: Diamondeye
I don't trust the Bakerboy.
Given that we only had one kill, I'd guess there's only one mafia left. The fact that there were recruitment offers sent is evidence of that to.
So with yaro and diamondeye cross claiming it should be game over.
I would heavily lean towards yaro. Will have to recheck if I have time.
mmm, nevermind, now I'm conflicted. Don't even remember what I was thinking. And it's probably moot.
This is absolute bovine excrement and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Someone approached you with concern that Reenk, if he was mafia, would be incredibly difficult to remove as he becomes more powerful due to duels; this person proceeded to ask you if you were able to organise a vigilante attack to take Reenk out, stating that they wouldn't get involved personally because they were protecting pevergreen.
You proceeded to message me, with your source's message quoted, since I had been in charge of Pizza's vigilante squad. After said-quote, you stated:
Ergo, Yaropolk is telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye @01-23-2011 18:31 GMT
So DE is the mafia? fun.
Ditto. Diamondeye asked me if I would be available for an attack on Renk tonight. I told him only if he describes what this includes since I'm not certain what to choose. He never responded so I assumed he scrapped the idea. Now's he's trying to name me as a co-conspirator to his own conspiracy. That's beyond shameful and hope you die a traitors death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Vote: Diamondeye
If it fails, then Dual: Diamondeye vs Slashandburn
Obviously you've earned our Lord's trust. You can earn ours by restoring honor in this house.
unvote; vote: Diamondeye.
Fine, I'll be lynched and get this :daisy: over with.
For the record, Secura's quote is true. I approached her because she was the leader of the Vigilante group.
I did not contact others or attempt to infringe on her role of leader.
Now, can I go away and not be bothered by this load of bovine excrement ever again? Thank you :bow:
Wonderful gameplay and ideas in this Mafia game - mostly being ruined by the players...
A vote for the lurker Vote: YLC
I want more townie-ness out of Sasaki. I placed my trust in you, buddy, now start kicking some fanny. :whip:
I demand more aggressive Sasaki, for the hope of mankind! Passive Sasaki makes Pizza disappoint.
This round has confused me, I had some wacky theory about romanic being mafia who got lynched day one and them having recruited yaro and him carrying on the ship after the 2nd partner subo got lynched...buuuttt I don't want to go with it.
However it seems simply absurd of DE to be lying about not having sent that quote to Yaro. And more absurd of yaro to invent it when DE was already going to be lynched.
I want to fight someone. Duel:Csargo vs Nightbringer
Vote:DE How dare you sir. How dare YOU!!!
Who is this person Secura? No more behind this back crap (I know you whined and whined to pever about me in private, major loss of respect there :sad:).Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Yaropolk is getting killed tonight, as slashandburn suggested (unless Lord pever refuses BUT PLEEEEEASE LET US). I'm personally getting involved in this one. :beam:
Vote: Diamondeye (If it's any consolation, you will be given an honorable and interesting lynch, Yaro will just be hacked and tossed :bow:)
Wnat to duel me? Sounds like I'm dying tonight anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
unduel; duel:yaro vs csargo
Does anyone else find this post scummy as hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
A vote for a lurker when there's two or three possible lynch candidates? And what's the first part supposed to mean?
Why should I reveal their identity? They've been protecting pevergreen and losing them means losing someone with what I assume is a decent amount of strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
PM'd you about this.Quote:
(I know you whined and whined to pever about me in private, major loss of respect there :sad:).
Diamondeye appears as good as dead, there isn't any use in putting another vote on him.
Yaropolk is DE's candidate and since I suspect DE, I am hardly likely to vote for his candidate.
I would like to think that you, Secura, are innocent since you are desperately trying to save face...
And I hate... HATE lurker victories, so I am spectating, showing my activity and putting my vote on the lurker.
Also awaiting some sort of correspondence or order from pevergreen since I have only suspicions and he seems to have some intelligence of who is guilty and most worthy of the lynch.
Hint, hint!
What do I need to save face for? I haven't done anything wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
While I share this anti-lurker sentiment, YLC hasn't been very active at the Org lately; he managed to narrowly avoid a WoG in Diamondeye's game a few days back and hasn't turned up since... he said he was really busy IRL.Quote:
And I hate... HATE lurker victories, so I am spectating, showing my activity and putting my vote on the lurker.
I think it's you, obviously, the request was rhetorical. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
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My take on what happened: Diamondeye went to people to try and get a vig hit on me. It would take down a non Mafia (myself and the Mafia know this, you should too, but I don't expect your belief :shrug:). However, DE, for whatever reason (a good one is that he is Mafia or becoming Mafia or some other kind of badguy) pulled out. Then he went public that he knew that people wanted to kill me (probably mad that Yaro and Skooma didn't try and kill me, I had pretty tough defenses by the way :beam:). Perhaps so he can distract the town with the lynch of two more 'innocents' (I use that term in a very specific sense in respect to pever; frankly, I hope both Yaro and Skooma die before the game ends, they were willing to kill me, that is reason enough).
Just a reconstruction of what might be going on, and why DE seems to be the best lynch. I am quite out of it now, guys if you want to set a vig group on Reenk, please contact me, so I can be in on it too. :sad:
:creep:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I feel like one of your favorite suspect in every game. Leave me alone Sasaki! I'm just a poor ghost! :laugh4:
Sounds like a plan. unduel:, duel:yaro vs csargoQuote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk