Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

I'm going to take Dya's Insomnia read into account + the whole "Pointed Question" thing or whatever it was between Lan/Insomnia that Rask talked about and think I'm good giving Insomnia the day too today

Vote: Ender

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Initial reaction to that is that I want to soft clear anyone that was around and active during eod trying to move wagons around. If they were wolves with lan they were sitting on a bunch of villager wagons with no threat to themselves yet still made the effort to move things around. Top of my head that's Visor, Rask, Mischief?

Lan going towards Ephem makes me want to give him space as well.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Vote: Ender

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Sir, I was a wagon during EOD.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Initial reaction to that is that I want to soft clear anyone that was around and active during eod trying to move wagons around. If they were wolves with lan they were sitting on a bunch of villager wagons with no threat to themselves yet still made the effort to move things around. Top of my head that's Visor, Rask, Mischief?

Lan going towards Ephem makes me want to give him space as well.

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Just going to repost my quote because I forgot to bold.

I also think I tried to start a Lantana wagon at eod.

Either that or I thought about it.

I don't remember.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Vote: Raskolnikov

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Random vote on Rask to open, who hadn't posted.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Visorslash villager I believe. Justification to come later if I feel the same - riding the vibe for now.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.

His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who’s acutely aware of everything they’re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.

Vote visor

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I don't think you see this flip flop from w/w in this way? Would expect a more pointed A HA GOTCHA theater than a "lol meta read from katze go brrrr"

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Vote: Ephemeral

I don't really want to kill visor today; insomnia I was fine with him (by extension raskolnikov saying I was shading insomnia is not nya).
lemme order my reads

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Tried to kill Ephem

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Originally Posted by Lantana

I think if Rask w then Insomnia v for the phrasing of MY phrasing to insomnia earlier.
For those not aware of what i'm referring to, insomnia asked me a very weighted question from my point of view, I asked why he did so, and Rask thought my weighted question (whilst answering insomnia's weighted question) was noteworthy. I think i'd see that more from a wolf wanting to cause villager villager violence in general than a villager tuning into a random conversation.
As for what that means for Insom's alignment if Rask is indeed a wolf the same would probably apply (Insom v). Although I say that not having thought of what a wolf alternative would look like #yolo

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The Rask W/Insom v thing and the "dont wanna kill insom" has me thinking it could be there instead of Ender, but I'll sponge Dya first

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Just going to repost my quote because I forgot to bold.

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Yes, if Rask/Visor/Mischief are wolves then you have to be a villager because they are the last one remaining. In those worlds, why would they be so active on v/v/v/v wagons?

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I also think I tried to start a Lantana wagon at eod.

Either that or I thought about it.

I don't remember.

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Will check all that out as well soon (well, maybe soon. maybe overnight). Just going through Lan's iso first. If I'm not correct don't sweat it, I'm sure I'll work it out ok.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@Ender: taffy because I am not sure his villa read on you was a joke and his ISO looks filled with posts made to post Id say.

Lantana because of the focus on visor (weird meta read from katze too lol. Visor liked it, I really didnt: i think he isnt ez to read and if you ask someone about him, you arent likely to come and sheep/use it this way). Also there is a post looking blatantly like a shade on insomnia.

Finally their early banter looked like ww to me. Dunno, it was straight up at the start, but they arent probbing or trying to figure each other out.

Now back to F1

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Also this is just town ftr.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Will check all that out as well soon (well, maybe soon. maybe overnight). Just going through Lan's iso first. If I'm not correct don't sweat it, I'm sure I'll work it out ok.

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Oh I actually just was the only one sitting on Lan until I sheeped you onto Insomnia.

Not as clearing as I thought but anyway.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.

Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@Ender: taffy because I am not sure his villa read on you was a joke and his ISO looks filled with posts made to post Id say.

Lantana because of the focus on visor (weird meta read from katze too lol. Visor liked it, I really didnt: i think he isnt ez to read and if you ask someone about him, you arent likely to come and sheep/use it this way). Also there is a post looking blatantly like a shade on insomnia.

Finally their early banter looked like ww to me. Dunno, it was straight up at the start, but they arent probbing or trying to figure each other out.

Now back to F1

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Yes @Sunbae, its this one post.

Because insomnia reasoning seems valid to me, like lanfantana had been around and had stuff to comment on, but instead decided to park on me out of an rvs vote when we have zero history. Weird.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Taffy still a wolf. Lanfantana would like to come back to chat (fun fact brought by Raskol - chat is the French word for cat)

lol Sunbae (sorry I can't articulate this read better tbh. but this is my guenine reaction to your vote when I return and explain where I am about Lanfantana -since you asked - and you vote me)

Dya null
visor null
Ender light villa (for tiny reasons, but I can generally accuratly read him scum when he is, and I am not pinged yet so there is that)
Ephe prolly villa (this is a bad activity read)

insomnia prolly not ww with lanfantana.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

relax, I am a villager. What does it change for you?

also pov: could you rephrase why you thought he was asking you a "very weighted question"?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

You sound fun. I'll come back to it if insomnia is town :bounce:

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I can't imagine this is w/w. Very pointed and consistent about concerns and pressures there. I'm pretty intrigued on the Insomnia portion of this. Rask, do you still think that can't be w/w?

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Mischief is not, funnily enough, my super secret wolf read.

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Oh yeah this was Lantana.

Again not clearing but lmao me.

Beat you to the Raskol townread lel

Visor is also still town btw.

I'm downgrading Sunbae from towncore for reasons that aren't "They sus me" although I am a sensitive soul it's true.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

So what you're saying is that I should be following others on you despite no one apart from ender, who I think could be scum, telling me what there is to follow? @dyachei

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This post is one of the reasons I decided I wanted to kill Lantana at EOD btw.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

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That's a lot of insomnia defense near eod. Maybe the snippiness of the "weighted questions" which didn't really show up elsewhere was because it was w/w?


I think I'm rather comfortable saying Mischief/Visor/Rask/Ephem are clear and its just in Ender/Insomnia

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Visor is also still town btw.

I'm downgrading Sunbae from towncore for reasons that aren't "They sus me" although I am a sensitive soul it's true.

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You can't make me talk about myself and "if i were a wolf stuff"

I refuse!

Ima go eat and be back during the overnight phase. I'll probably try to condense my headspace into one post when I return. Sorry for the bit of spamming, just kinda got into it a bit.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Sunbae
Taffy
Mischief
Dyachei
Visorslash
Raskolnikov
Enderwiggin
Ephemeral

Dyachei is probably true null which means I need to find more town reads and/or dyachei needs to be townier

I also had insomnia has my third town but I didn't wanna have him there if he's gonna flip wolf in 10 minutes nya
I def prefer Ephemeral, I can go check his posts again to confirm this (or potentially feel differently :bow:)

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Insomnia/Mischief/Sunbae wolf POE?

Visor/Raskol have other reasons to townread

Ephemeral is generally town by how Lantana treated them.

And thene there's me.

Ah, I'm a genius at counting.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

He was asking me a very weighted question!

for the first question, couldn't say for more generalities, for insomnia it wouldn't mean anything for that specific context! if you think otherwise I am all nyas (ears)

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Wait nevermind.

Vote: Insomnia

Sunbae tinfoil can be kept in the cupboard.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?

Nya if I misread!

I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3

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The question is, is this theatre?

Having read back a bit.
Throughout D1 Ender was voting Lantana, and tbh, one thing I thought was suspicious about Ender (and somewhat Rask) were that I thought Lantana was slightly villagery, and they both seemed to have an opposite perspective.
With the flips in mind, I think both look fine as a result (Ender voting Lantana and pushing them, and Lantana trying to Wagon Rask).
I kind of had two worlds.
One with Ender/Rask, and one with Taffy/Lantana, and thought that Taffy was also slightly villagery (in our interactions, how they responded to my catch up posts), so I was less inclined to believe the latter being the wolf wolf.
That said, at this point, I do think it's outside of Ender and Rask, and outside of my main village reads, which leaves Ephemeral and Insomnia.

For now I'll place my vote on what seems most likely out of the options
Vote: Insomnia


The only thing I dislike about this is that I did think they were a little villagery at some points, but I also thought that of Lantana.

Unrelated: it doesn't look like I have covid (thankfully), I feel better today. It must have been either foodborne illness or maybe cross contamination with an allergen (I ate at a ramen shop, and the only allergy I really know about is shellfish).

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

The question is, is this theatre?

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I think this would be a pretty bizarre thing to say if it's W/W.

Like, if I were a wolf, I'd probably just say "Just pressure, I've played with them in the past and they went UTR for too long" and give some fairly legitimate reason, rather than "just for funzies"

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Originally Posted by Mischief

I think this would be a pretty bizarre thing to say if it's W/W.

Like, if I were a wolf, I'd probably just say "Just pressure, I've played with them in the past and they went UTR for too long" and give some fairly legitimate reason, rather than "just for funzies"

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Reason I asked was because that was a response to Insomnia.

im willing to just clear raskol i think

posts were fine yday, good posts about lantana

remember when i said there was a hilarious sunbae/lantana wolf world?

:worried:

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Originally Posted by Visor

remember when i said there was a hilarious sunbae/lantana wolf world?

:worried:

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Is it hilarious now?

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Originally Posted by Visor

remember when i said there was a hilarious sunbae/lantana wolf world?

:worried:

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I don't remember if you answered last time, so I'll ask again this time.
Is this a shitpost or an actual thought?

I think my POE of 3 works well.

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Originally Posted by Mischief

I don't remember if you answered last time, so I'll ask again this time.
Is this a shitpost or an actual thought?

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somewhat shitpostery with a nugget of seriousness

heres my thought process rn without rereading:

Alive: 7/10
EnderWiggin
Ephemeral
insomnia
Mischief
Raskolnikov
Sunbae
Visor

Visor - lickitty lack claire
Raskol - pushed lantana/posts good
Sunabe - posts good, didn't really seem to post in a way that enabled lantana

Ephemeral - pushed by lantana in a situation that didn't really make sense (but i guess this is a vig turbo...)

Ender - decided to shitpost at eod, potentially playing up the angle that he didnt care (reminds me a bit of last game), maybe that was the angle he thought he needed to take to survive. did apparently shade lantana a bit need to reread here

Mischief - idkmybffjill
insomnia - idkmybffjill, narrow focus maybe wolfy? need to see what they say today

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Originally Posted by Visor

heres my thought process rn without rereading:

Alive: 7/10
EnderWiggin
Ephemeral
insomnia
Mischief
Raskolnikov
Sunbae
Visor

Visor - lickitty lack claire
Raskol - pushed lantana/posts good
Sunabe - posts good, didn't really seem to post in a way that enabled lantana

Ephemeral - pushed by lantana in a situation that didn't really make sense (but i guess this is a vig turbo...)

Ender - decided to shitpost at eod, potentially playing up the angle that he didnt care (reminds me a bit of last game), maybe that was the angle he thought he needed to take to survive. did apparently shade lantana a bit need to reread here

Mischief - idkmybffjill
insomnia - idkmybffjill, narrow focus maybe wolfy? need to see what they say today

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You don't know your best friend forever Jill?

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Originally Posted by insomnia

alr saw some posts saying spamposting here is frowned upon so i tried to read through everything and condense things in 1 post

i really don't understand visor's taffy read. i thought taffy started with a semi-awkward opening that i wouldn't really wolfread without meta, but it kept me on my toes. apparently visor had the opposite take but from his reasoning it didn't make much sense to me. gth his sunbae v read so soon might be a better look? idk them well enough to shake off my early feeling about visor

sunbae's gripes seemed ~ok, not that villagery. i wanna lean into saying experienced players picking on a detail like that is a good look ig

mischief's starting posts seemed underwhelming for them but i have no thoughts on their follow-up

das bout it

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its interesting in hindsight that this is all negative takes on people

like he has no indications of villageriness, certainly not actively trying to village read anyone

other thing is that mischief and lantana dont talk much in the first page (80 ppp)

or much at all

vote: mischief for now i think

"That's rather quick.
What is your reasoning there?"

mischief on dyas read on me, feels stilted

idk, i think mischief might be the wolf fellas

rereading eph and seems ok

I'd probably lock Eph until f3.

yea reread has convinced me

i think mischief is the wolf

Do you know why people have trouble scumreading me for the most part? Because I do the shitposting thing as both lmao

Also given my recent doubts about Insomnia/Lantana theatre I'm willing to move

Vote: Mischief

Will do a Mischief reread later myself.

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Originally Posted by Visor

other thing is that mischief and lantana dont talk much in the first page (80 ppp)

or much at all

vote: mischief for now i think

"That's rather quick.
What is your reasoning there?"

mischief on dyas read on me, feels stilted

idk, i think mischief might be the wolf fellas

rereading eph and seems ok

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Regarding the first page part.
I was literally gone until the end of that page, when I was catching up.
Whether you're a villager or a wolf, this is kind of bullshit reasoning.
I'd have no disagreement that my light villa read on Lantana doesn't look great on me, but that's not what you are picking at, and what you're picking at is legitimately not good.
I don't care if I get wagoned today, to eliminate me from the POE, but should that occur, I want this push to be kept in mind after my flip.
It is not a good look.

That isn't to say I want you to be wagoned, I want this to be factored into everyone's evaluation of you should I die, and for those who read you better than I to take it into consideration.

Though I still stand by the idea that there was nothing strange about me asking Dya about an almost instantaneous read on you upon entering the thread, and similarly there was nothing strange about my consideration and assessment that my initial push and vote on you was indeed based on a likely flawed belief that you would retain enough familiarity with my play to know better, making it an unfair push.
I take fairness very seriously, and attempt not to place unfair expectations upon people, so that being pointed out to me by Dya and Sunbae is something I took seriously.

hello sunbae :curtain:

Hi visor,

I'm having problems with clearing multiquotes. Is there a clear mq button or do I just need to dump them in a post?

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Hi visor,

I'm having problems with clearing multiquotes. Is there a clear mq button or do I just need to dump them in a post?

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im not sure, id just dump em

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?

Nya if I misread!

I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3

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Originally Posted by Lantana

checks out, I?m fine with a lower volume game personally and tend to post way too much now. This will be a good lesson regardless of outcome.

Also I think a bubbly = towny description is fine for me at the moment, but I can get quite feisty just for full disclosure. As in? don?t just wolf read me if I am not a single wave bubbly nya

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Originally Posted by Lantana

This seems towny. Surface level towny.

On second thoughts I do think a wolf is less likely to express the thought in general and just post lots for the sweet town cred.

So, cool Sunbae.


Getting some nice town reads for the situation :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.

His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who?s acutely aware of everything they?re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.

Vote visor

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Ender can you state your earlier reasons on me (again, if it was done originally...)?

OK visor, will note for next time.

Whoever is interested - just making sure there is no iso button? can't find one. won't be a problem but worth asking.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?

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ignore the quote dump

Sup friendos.

Vote: Insomnia

I'm going to separate this post from the one on the overview of everyone else. After getting the chance to reread the thread I think the wolf is Insomnia via interactions with Lan in both directions, the wolf case Insom provided, and overall poe from the rest of the game (which I'll get to in a post shortly).

1. I believe the way Lan discussed Insomnia throughout the game is partnered. First with the posts dicussing Insom during the end of day.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Vote: Ephemeral

I don't really want to kill visor today; insomnia I was fine with him (by extension raskolnikov saying I was shading insomnia is not nya).
lemme order my reads

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Originally Posted by Lantana

I think if Rask w then Insomnia v for the phrasing of MY phrasing to insomnia earlier.
For those not aware of what i'm referring to, insomnia asked me a very weighted question from my point of view, I asked why he did so, and Rask thought my weighted question (whilst answering insomnia's weighted question) was noteworthy. I think i'd see that more from a wolf wanting to cause villager villager violence in general than a villager tuning into a random conversation.
As for what that means for Insom's alignment if Rask is indeed a wolf the same would probably apply (Insom v). Although I say that not having thought of what a wolf alternative would look like #yolo

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Originally Posted by Lantana

I'm still living off my take last night where he skipped RVS and got into some pretty immediate shading, I think that's more typically villagery than not, though i'll have to see how I feel about placing him against others (momentarily)

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Originally Posted by Lantana

He was asking me a very weighted question!

for the first question, couldn't say for more generalities, for insomnia it wouldn't mean anything for that specific context! if you think otherwise I am all nyas (ears)

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

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Originally Posted by Lantana

I may vote you at EOD

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In these sections we have a tacked on ?Insomnia I was fine with him?, pushing on Rask and calling Insomnia V if Rask W, defending Insomnia for RVS stage stuff, a post shading Insom for ?a very weighted question? despite calling it v/v violence, way more sus on ephem than insomnia (but not wanting to defend wagons!), and threatening to vote Ender at EOD when wagons are Ender/Insom. These are all posts trying very, very hard to get anyone but Insomnia killed.


2. I think these posts in particular are near-damning given the rest of the posts around it.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Sunbae
Taffy
Mischief
Dyachei
Visorslash
Raskolnikov
Enderwiggin
Ephemeral

Dyachei is probably true null which means I need to find more town reads and/or dyachei needs to be townier

I also had insomnia has my third town but I didn't wanna have him there if he's gonna flip wolf in 10 minutes nya
I def prefer Ephemeral, I can go check his posts again to confirm this (or potentially feel differently :bow:)

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I'll ignore the ?Insomnia about to flip wolf? part as a reason to leave him off. That can be wifom. This list bottom is the two counterwagons (Ephem, Ender) to Insomnia. At the time the wagons are 4 Insomnia, 3 Ender, 1 Ephemeral. The next lowest is Rask (voting Insomnia). The next lowest is Visor (voting Insomnia). The second highest townread is Taffy. Two posts later a Taffy wagon starts and there is no Taffy defense the way they've defended Insomnia. In fact, they follow up with this post once it starts:

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Originally Posted by Lantana

poe is rask taffy ender and is confused at rask town-reading him. could be w/w too

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Now Taffy is in the POE. It's like 15 posts apart. No defense, no explanation, no nothing. This does not read like a wolf trying to position themselves well from a villager flip incoming by defending Insomnia/Taffy. They just threw anyone-but-insomnia under the bus.


3. The way Lan talks to everyone else is different from the way they talk to Insomnia. Posts towards me, visor, ender, dya, mischief are all like, tiptoeing around and being super pleasant/fair/friendly even if it's wolf reads or disagreement. The post towards insomnia is so darn pointed and comes out of nowhere. Bubbly before hand, pointed to insomnia, bubbly afterwards. My read on it is that it's purposefully pointed because it goes nowhere, brings no suspicion, and ends with a hard defense throughout end of day.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?

Nya if I misread!

I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3

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Originally Posted by Lantana

checks out, I?m fine with a lower volume game personally and tend to post way too much now. This will be a good lesson regardless of outcome.

Also I think a bubbly = towny description is fine for me at the moment, but I can get quite feisty just for full disclosure. As in? don?t just wolf read me if I am not a single wave bubbly nya

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Originally Posted by Lantana

This seems towny. Surface level towny.

On second thoughts I do think a wolf is less likely to express the thought in general and just post lots for the sweet town cred.

So, cool Sunbae.


Getting some nice town reads for the situation :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.

His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who?s acutely aware of everything they?re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.

Vote visor

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Ender can you state your earlier reasons on me (again, if it was done originally...)?

OK visor, will note for next time.

Whoever is interested - just making sure there is no iso button? can't find one. won't be a problem but worth asking.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?

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4. I think Insomnia's Rask case was wolfy independently of any other interactions. Throwing all the reasons and credit at my feet despite me never making much of a case at all on Rask nor attempting to get anyone to look into him. I was just voting someone for vibe reasons. Rereading the thread with the knowledge that Lan is a wolf has me more unhappy with it. At the start of the game Insomnia throws out some shade for Lan RVS voting Rask before Rask posted. That's the post that started the whole ?pointed question? thing. Later, once I vote Rask, Insomnia looks over them ?for Sunbae? here and plops a vote down:

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Originally Posted by insomnia

gave rask a re-read #forsunbae. i take issue mostly with the things in red.

the first visor thing seems like a disconnected thought that wouldn't really make it in the same post where he's calling people out (this is a bit nitpicky)

the second thing he drops in "they shaded insomnia" without any explanation for why that should be wolfy. i see no gears spinning that got rask to believe it was from a wolf agenda or to attempt to distinguish between wolf / town motivation. just said lantana did it and it's supposed to be wolfy. also in the same line from the start he frames it as lantana being wolfy for focusing on visor, then he adds the most important part about why that should be wolfy (the katze meta) like it would be a plus to the visor thing. it just doesn't seem..genuine tho im sure there's a better word


normally i'd place this on the backburner and ponder upon but i really have to go and place a vote

Vote : Raskolnikov

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Originally Posted by insomnia

i'll be honest i did call this out too, it's def omega weird ~:handball:

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In it, one of the reasons for finding Rask wolfy is the shading Insomnia post by Rask about Lan. Then Insomnia follows it up with agreeing with Rask that the Lan post was weird. Despite calling out Lan for that post, having a small pointed exchange, thinking it was weird Lan voted Rask in RVS, and then agreeing with Rask that it was weird, he landed on Rask instead of Lan. Small shade, never developing to anything, voting the person bringing heat to their interaction.

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I can't imagine this is w/w. Very pointed and consistent about concerns and pressures there. I'm pretty intrigued on the Insomnia portion of this. Rask, do you still think that can't be w/w?

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I think its unlikely? I mainly voted insom at EOD because I didnt think Blade was wolfing.

Now I am at Mischief, or a secret tinfoil (not Visor) :hide:

A bit sadge my breadscrumbs didnt get me a N1. Next time Ill ask respectfuflly.

Also, any thought on why Dya? Who kills Dya here?

sup rask.

case works for me sunbae

out of curiosity, if insom flips v, who is next for you?

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I think its unlikely? I mainly voted insom at EOD because I didnt think Blade was wolfing.

Now I am at Mischief, or a secret tinfoil (not Visor) :hide:

A bit sadge my breadscrumbs didnt get me a N1. Next time Ill ask respectfuflly.

Also, any thought on why Dya? Who kills Dya here?

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dya def wolfread lantana - so theres the lantana aspect
dya townread insomnia, townread me, townread rask,
voted ender?

Lol Sunbae, I had forgotten these eod posts. I dont know if w!lanfantana spews him like that but thats something indeed

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Originally Posted by Visor

dya def wolfread lantana - so theres the lantana aspect
dya townread insomnia, townread me, townread rask,
voted ender?

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Oh its just insom then.

NyA!

Vote: insomnia

Ender I still dont think is wolfing

nobody wolfread dya iirc
if dya is correct, wolves are just ender/lantana

ender/mischief/insom are my poe

re mischief and lantana interaction sunbae: it didn't feel to me like there was any real attempt by lantana or mischief to engage with each other. michief had the entry that taffy and i commented on but lantana didnt, (even though lantana saw the posts because they commented on me after that iirc), and the question lantana asked mischief is something that could easily be w/w in that its a very simple fake interaction thingo

the light townread stuff but also never interacting seems weird to me on both ends

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Oh its just insom then.

NyA!

Vote: insomnia

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i dont get it

just from memory but "Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?"

is their only interaction? just weird to me

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i dont get it

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I think the wolf is in this list, I town read you and Ender.

If its not insom, I still like mischief smh.

I am out of town friendos, I ll follow on phone but cant do actual work till closer to eod btw.

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I think the wolf is in this list, I town read you and Ender.

If its not insom, I still like mischief smh.

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ah ok

Yeah Visor, i am not saying it should make sense outside of my brain lol. Spare me, I am ackward :curtain:

Headspace with the rest of the game (I aint got the energy after that to go into super detail right now):


Tier 1

Ephemeral: Was attempted to be killed by Lan during the end of eod. Almost certainly a villager.

Rask: Called out Lan early, posted well, Lan went hard at them throughout the day: Voted them as the first real wagon that developed during mid day, started using their push on rask flipping wolf to make reads off of other players in a way that would not benefit wolves. Like, it wasn't trying to chain rask wolf into killing villagers that could be partnered with Rask. It was trying to clear people based off Rask flip. Dya also said very different from their w/w game if you're into meta reads. Almost certainly a villager.


Tier 2

Visor: I don't think the way Lan shifted on their read on Visor from V to W citing KATZE META and being diplomatic instead of word salad is w/w. I also don't think, if manufactured, that is the way Visor responds. Nice, laid back, relaxed “I am aware of everything I post”, “yes my posting style can change”, and “I don't see an issue with being diplomatic”. There's no tension nor something for him to point back to for credit (and in that interaction I think it'd certainly be him going for the look good credit and not the other way around). I recognize that this is, well, ironic given I'm giving him credit for it. But I hope that distinction makes sense. Very likely a villager.

Mischief: I think the way Mischief played is right inside town meta. The deference to me/dya on a read of Visor felt really pure, sure, but I'm talking more of the mild stubborness about working via POE in a small game like this. Find villa reads, box out the rest, vote your best bet in there. I liked their backing off of Visor and Rask in that way after those interactions. Knowing that Lan is a wolf, the way they said they'll back off of Rask for now but will revisit if Ender is a wolf is a really good look I think. That's agendaless, no way for ender to flip wolf in a wolf!mischief world now. Very likely a villager.


Tier 3

Ender: If it's not insomnia I think it has to be here. I wish I had some like, big things to point towards but I don't. It's pure poe at this point but I don't think it's reasonable to have big things for EnderWolf anyways. This is a shitty blurb on him, I know. I'm tired. I'm hoping it doesn't matter. If it does I'll do my due diligence.


Insomnia: wrote about this already, think its the wolf

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Originally Posted by Visor

just from memory but "Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?"

is their only interaction? just weird to me

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Would it be helpful for us to talk about Mischief more? I really don't think that's the answer (and I think the lack of any interaction between them and the wolf is a town indicative thing rather than a wolf one).

Now that we're in the "find the lone wolf" phase of the game I think we should mostly just focus on day 1 with the new info we've accrued. It's really easy for the wolf to sound villagery from this point on and I've seen too many games go from a "village collective is doing great" situation to a "oh the lone wolf is making a real run of it because they just are posting better" lately. Last game here, cog psy off the top of my head. Just like, keep in mind that they'll sound good (everyone in this game will) and just focus on d1 with lots of wagons, interactions, and the nks (past/future). Hoping this is just another "lol covering bases in a locked game" situation but yeah

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I think its unlikely? I mainly voted insom at EOD because I didnt think Blade was wolfing.

Now I am at Mischief, or a secret tinfoil (not Visor) :hide:

A bit sadge my breadscrumbs didnt get me a N1. Next time Ill ask respectfuflly.

Also, any thought on why Dya? Who kills Dya here?

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If you don't think it's insom or ender then this game is going to be really hard. I think like visor said, going at Lan was probably it.

Not to counter your point, because I agree with it, bit cog psy.... If anything c4s posting got worse, he was just hard defended by SPF because of bad meta claims

I tried to kill him for days lol

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Would it be helpful for us to talk about Mischief more? I really don't think that's the answer (and I think the lack of any interaction between them and the wolf is a town indicative thing rather than a wolf one).

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Talk about why it seems more town indicative for you if you could

And ya it'd help me.

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Not to counter your point, because I agree with it, bit cog psy.... If anything c4s posting got worse, he was just hard defended by SPF because of bad meta claims

I tried to kill him for days lol

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lol, fair. i just remember sitting in spec saying "but we had such a good poe that we got to collectively please follow it :scastle3: "

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lol, fair. i just remember sitting in spec saying "but we had such a good poe that we got to collectively please follow it :scastle3: "

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it was nearly a 4th quarter collapse for the ages, that f5 really bugs me lol, one of these days ill write an article over why it was so bad :P (not that i died, but why/how i died)

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Talk about why it seems more town indicative for you if you could

And ya it'd help me.

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Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

Soon you'll be the Ad-visor

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Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

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Vibing.

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Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

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surviving, i guess.

im wary because wolves have to interact with villagers extensively because thats how they progress in the game, and there just seems to be zero real consideration from either side of each other

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it was nearly a 4th quarter collapse for the ages, that f5 really bugs me lol, one of these days ill write an article over why it was so bad :P (not that i died, but why/how i died)

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I'll make you a deal. You write that one and I'll finally get the villaging in a mash one in the books too

as an aside, im just not feeeeeeling solving from mischief in terms of investigative stuff

like he defends himself from me, but hes not exploring where he wants to kill etc

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I'll make you a deal. You write that one and I'll finally get the villaging in a mash one in the books too

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lmao i have an ego, but not that big, id never actually write that article :P

i may update my turbo article tho

i will prob vote insomnia fwiw, im not gonna hold the thread hostage for the mischief kill lol

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Ender: If it's not insomnia I think it has to be here. I wish I had some like, big things to point towards but I don't. It's pure poe at this point but I don't think it's reasonable to have big things for EnderWolf anyways. This is a shitty blurb on him, I know. I'm tired. I'm hoping it doesn't matter. If it does I'll do my due diligence.

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If it helps, I do like it when people say they don't have big things to find on me. =P

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lmao i have an ego, but not that big, id never actually write that article :P

i may update my turbo article tho

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You just gotta frame it as "how to find the lone wolf in end game and not succumb to information overload or paranoia". It's all about the marketing.

Acting like my "how to mash as a villager" article aint gonna be me talking about getting chopped as a 200 poster against the 4 poster in final 5. We all know it is lol

200 posts of pure wolfish intent to be sure.

Ill vig Ender tonight. Just assume it is done