Sorceror 17er Game Thread

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Originally Posted by katze

@Dobby:

why are you so concerned about everyones take on you specifically? you're starting to sound like a katze :stare:

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I wrote a long wall just now where I talked about that :(

I luke solving based on what I know, and the only thing I know is that I'm town (this is a very clichee sentence atp but it's tru)

I have my strong reads and then the rest I'm trying to approach in as many ways as I can come up with and my personal favorite is 'do I think this person has a genuine take on my slot'

@katze: ok someone else that isn't cape if possible. but who? Who is a wolf here iyo?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I am not sure what I have done to be patronised like that but !%?;

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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nah I am kidding. Call me Raskol, it's shorter :p

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Ngl in my mind everytime I read your name I have the rasputin song duuududududududu dudududududuuududu playing in my head

There lived a certain man in Russia long ago he was big and strong RAARAAA RASKOLNIKOV LOVER OF THE RUSSIAN QUEEN

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

for the very little it's worth when i squinted at the thread d2/after dolby flip i was looking in something like and this is super non-clarified but

katze/monty/dobby

or like

sleep/hk/somethin

but then people were stronger v-reading dobby

from the stuff i read d1/early d2 i really don't see much reason for it but idk

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there's only two wolves alive cuth :wall:

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Fwiw, I'm almost certainly vesting Dobby if we chop town today

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hm

if you feel strongly about dobby being town i feel like maybe you don't do that and instead just vest someone you think is mafia; you and zack are 99% of the time going to be the next 2 NKs so the off chance of accelerating you both being dead to mid D3 as opposed to N3 might not be that terrible given you both play assuming that you die tonight?

"looking in"

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I wrote a long wall just now where I talked about that :(

I luke solving based on what I know, and the only thing I know is that I'm town (this is a very clichee sentence atp but it's tru)

I have my strong reads and then the rest I'm trying to approach in as many ways as I can come up with and my personal favorite is 'do I think this person has a genuine take on my slot'

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nod nod

this is how i like to solve too i just don't recall you doing this much on D1

very possible im forgetting

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@katze: ok someone else that isn't cape if possible. but who? Who is a wolf here iyo?

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i'm working on that

if i come around to "zomg everyone is so villagery except specifically cape90" im probably gonna just. say fuck it and vote him, lmao

addendum to my last post is that "katze villagery but good wolf" has become common enough that it's definitely lost effectiveness for me but i still try nonetheless, sometimes it's p obvious when someone is being 100% genuine with their read and getting that correct feels super good so fair enuff

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

"looking in"

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�� i cant read

like ideally we chop a wolf today. the next best thing after that would be removing someone from the POE via the chop.
I'd like to not die but if I'm going to, and I think dobby + vest = dead HK we might as well do me today and give dobby the vest for tomorrow instead of chopping "random town" today and having dobby blow me up tomorrow.

That's the line of thinking that got me there.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

No, here's what I'm trying to say:

sunbae said if we chop town he's contemplating giving you the vest to blow someone up. It's pretty clear to me that I'm the person you'd most want to explode, which is fine I get it.
But if that's the plan then chop me today as the "townie" that dies to give you the vest so that you have to blow someone else up.

Basically it's like this:

I know I'm POE and I know I'm likely not posting out of it. That's fine. Instead of continually saying "we really ought to look into HK" resolve me today. Then give you the vest tonight. Make a good decision.

We're currently very far ahead and the mafia have no extra KP after Ladd was chopped. We have time to make mistakes/clear POE via killing them.

It's like MtG, as long as at the end of the day we're +2 on the wolves it doesn't matter how many townies are actually alive, we're still winning this game. Town bodies dying are irrelevant to actually winning the game. We know who the PR are, they're the designated NKs yeah?

That leaves us in the POE to either resolve ourselves or get resolved. It's not "oh woe is me" it's an antiseptic way of reducing possibilities and guiding us towards a mathematical lock on winning the game.

I guess it doesn't matter if I'm the chop today if you promise to blow me up tomorrow

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(You're not atp I said that and I voted cape kek) qnd like if I get a vest I'm gonna send every hour I can (and I usually spend a lot because even though I try I can't not play when I'm in a game) to try and find the correct target, taking ded townies into mind

I just don't want to waste a lot of time on it today when I legit feel like I'm the most likely chop. You will be here at eod, cape will be here at eod, monty/cuth/ender/whoever has votes will all prolly be able to be here, I won't, I won't be able to yell loudly to get your hands off my smol butt and like, that's a big deal tbh, besides maybe sunbae nobody is really ballsy enough to townread me so uh yeah.

Thing is, I don't think you've got that much pressure on you beside from me? So saying "resolve me" when a lot of heavy voices are saying ur town is a bit dramatic/an overproprtioned reaction. Just because we are ahead doesn't mean that you should sacrifice yourself, because game could very easily end without you dying if you're town? It's kinda creepy that I'm the one telling you this here but I mean let's just win without throwing ourselves in the fire if we can? (I feel like throwing in "if you are town ofc" in every sentence to make sure nobody says I have tmi here kekw)

To be more clear, when sunbae and zack are dead, we won't have a set poe by then if, say, both wolves are still alive. Names like katze/monty/newcomb/cuth etc that split the playerlist will probably be around by then and then the poe will definitely be as clear as it seems now, this feels like a potentially huge deal and if anything should be a huge incentive for you to try and not just... die.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I'd insert a sexual joke here but it will get me shaded. big sad.


thanks Sleep for the tally!

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DM me post game and we'll make sex jokes till the wives tell us to stop or we're sleeping on the couch

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Originally Posted by katze

there's only two wolves alive cuth :wall:



hm

if you feel strongly about dobby being town i feel like maybe you don't do that and instead just vest someone you think is mafia; you and zack are 99% of the time going to be the next 2 NKs so the off chance of accelerating you both being dead to mid D3 as opposed to N3 might not be that terrible given you both play assuming that you die tonight?

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Unfortunately we can't hold the threat of death over the head of the vested player or the right play would always be "vest wolf read / poe and force them to pop another poe person"

I mean obvs vested town is going to do that but vested wolf always "hero shoots"

I guess that's a round about way of saying "vest giver should always vest poe/wolf reads"

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Assuming we chop town (likely in an 11v2 situation), I think I'm supposed to target a villager read that I think the thread will miskill eventually? It takes away a chop and gives that chop the chance to make a kill instead. If that's the case, I was thinking Dobby because like, I really really really think Dobby is town, I've expressed that read as strongly as I can, and people are still really suspicious of them. So if I am right then Dobby turned from a mischop to a villager with kill power which seems good? And hitting a wolf let's them get an extra kill from the top which seems less good than clearing out two poe slots?

And if I'm wrong then cool, the thread was correct and I wasn't and a wolf dies.

Although typing it out there's only two wolves left maybe I'm incorrect and I'm supposed to just target a wolf read and if it's wrong they get to take someone on the way out anyways?

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I think cape or hk make sense as people in the poe who could be villas

I think Dobby is wolfier than either but doesn't quite seem to be in the poe

also prob shouldn't talk about this too much in the thread tbh

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Originally Posted by katze

this is my new favorite chain of posts

i still feel pretty good about HK being a villager although my first thought of "i dont think a wolf ever writes this about v!me" is probably ambitious

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You haven't even reposted my pasta I'm disappoint

looks like im caught up so imma make some food and then figure out where head is at

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Unfortunately we can't hold the threat of death over the head of the vested player or the right play would always be "vest wolf read / poe and force them to pop another poe person"

I mean obvs vested town is going to do that but vested wolf always "hero shoots"

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well my point was that either the person you thought was mafia is actually mafia and they just kill the 2nd of sunbae/zack (hence the "play assuming you die tonight" bit) or they're a villager and you get a super deep in PoE villager a vest

im not sure if it's optimal? altho obviously if we chop a wolf today then try to vest a wolf

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Originally Posted by Dobby

(You're not atp I said that and I voted cape kek) qnd like if I get a vest I'm gonna send every hour I can (and I usually spend a lot because even though I try I can't not play when I'm in a game) to try and find the correct target, taking ded townies into mind

I just don't want to waste a lot of time on it today when I legit feel like I'm the most likely chop. You will be here at eod, cape will be here at eod, monty/cuth/ender/whoever has votes will all prolly be able to be here, I won't, I won't be able to yell loudly to get your hands off my smol butt and like, that's a big deal tbh, besides maybe sunbae nobody is really ballsy enough to townread me so uh yeah.

Thing is, I don't think you've got that much pressure on you beside from me? So saying "resolve me" when a lot of heavy voices are saying ur town is a bit dramatic/an overproprtioned reaction. Just because we are ahead doesn't mean that you should sacrifice yourself, because game could very easily end without you dying if you're town? It's kinda creepy that I'm the one telling you this here but I mean let's just win without throwing ourselves in the fire if we can? (I feel like throwing in "if you are town ofc" in every sentence to make sure nobody says I have tmi here kekw)

To be more clear, when sunbae and zack are dead, we won't have a set poe by then if, say, both wolves are still alive. Names like katze/monty/newcomb/cuth etc that split the playerlist will probably be around by then and then the poe will definitely be as clear as it seems now, this feels like a potentially huge deal and if anything should be a huge incentive for you to try and not just... die.

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Wanna chop monte instead?
vote: Montmorency

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Originally Posted by katze

there's only two wolves alive cuth :wall:



hm

if you feel strongly about dobby being town i feel like maybe you don't do that and instead just vest someone you think is mafia; you and zack are 99% of the time going to be the next 2 NKs so the off chance of accelerating you both being dead to mid D3 as opposed to N3 might not be that terrible given you both play assuming that you die tonight?

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I'm 100% dead within 2 days though so I'd very much prefer to be the vest target to not draw out the suffering thank you very much

trying to catch up on pages of billion word rambling wallposts is so tedious

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Originally Posted by katze

looks like im caught up so imma make some food and then figure out where head is at



well my point was that either the person you thought was mafia is actually mafia and they just kill the 2nd of sunbae/zack (hence the "play assuming you die tonight" bit) or they're a villager and you get a super deep in PoE villager a vest

im not sure if it's optimal? altho obviously if we chop a wolf today then try to vest a wolf

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I have thoughts on this but not sure if I should post them tbh

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Originally Posted by zack

trying to catch up on pages of billion word rambling wallposts is so tedious

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reading walls is for winners so I try not to do that

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

like ideally we chop a wolf today. the next best thing after that would be removing someone from the POE via the chop.
I'd like to not die but if I'm going to, and I think dobby + vest = dead HK we might as well do me today and give dobby the vest for tomorrow instead of chopping "random town" today and having dobby blow me up tomorrow.

That's the line of thinking that got me there.

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Ngl I've loved your posting and wim last couple of hours if that makes you feel any better. Like, it makes more sense than the.... fake case you made about me but this wim and stuff feels very towny in isolation if we skip anything before today's discussions. Granted I don't know your style but ye you're not my priority aorn

I don't really understand why cape is so low in the poe for so many people frankly

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Originally Posted by zack

trying to catch up on pages of billion word rambling wallposts is so tedious

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thats my bad. i wanted to get my thoughts on everyone but thought making it in one post was just going to be too big of a post so tried to break it into smaller ones lol

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Ngl I've loved your posting and wim last couple of hours if that makes you feel any better. Like, it makes more sense than the.... fake case you made about me but this wim and stuff feels very towny in isolation if we skip anything before today's discussions. Granted I don't know your style but ye you're not my priority aorn

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honestly same. I like today dobby a lot more than I liked ISO dobby

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Originally Posted by zack

I think cape or hk make sense as people in the poe who could be villas

I think Dobby is wolfier than either but doesn't quite seem to be in the poe

also prob shouldn't talk about this too much in the thread tbh

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Doesn't... seem to be in the po(op)e? Are we in the same game sir

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Wanna chop monte instead?
vote: Montmorency

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Quixk turn of events lol. I'm gonna try and read monte so I can give him a fair shot before I sleep

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

No, here's what I'm trying to say:

sunbae said if we chop town he's contemplating giving you the vest to blow someone up. It's pretty clear to me that I'm the person you'd most want to explode, which is fine I get it.
But if that's the plan then chop me today as the "townie" that dies to give you the vest so that you have to blow someone else up.

Basically it's like this:

I know I'm POE and I know I'm likely not posting out of it. That's fine. Instead of continually saying "we really ought to look into HK" resolve me today. Then give you the vest tonight. Make a good decision.

We're currently very far ahead and the mafia have no extra KP after Ladd was chopped. We have time to make mistakes/clear POE via killing them.

It's like MtG, as long as at the end of the day we're +2 on the wolves it doesn't matter how many townies are actually alive, we're still winning this game. Town bodies dying are irrelevant to actually winning the game. We know who the PR are, they're the designated NKs yeah?

That leaves us in the POE to either resolve ourselves or get resolved. It's not "oh woe is me" it's an antiseptic way of reducing possibilities and guiding us towards a mathematical lock on winning the game.

I guess it doesn't matter if I'm the chop today if you promise to blow me up tomorrow

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don't you think Dobby is a wolf? surely he would just blow up whichever of me orsunbaw wasn't nk'd

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Originally Posted by zack

don't you think Dobby is a wolf? surely he would just blow up whichever of me orsunbaw wasn't nk'd

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[Spoiler]Wait is this a tmi derp
[Spoiler]peepee poopoo

Dammit aaaaaaaaa shit

If Maj is in, I d veto vesting a mafia read