Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Dobby]

you realize that was at the start of the day right?

Yes? It was q semi/ joke about dolby subbing in at the start of the day and immediately voting me. What do u even mean

[Cape90]

HollowKatt: I think their interactions with Monstr are interesting. Immediately called out Monstr for feeling spicy for the sake of spicy, follows up on it by reiterating it to Cuth, monstr returns by saying it's not a real thought and voting hk. That is the entirety of HK's iso that I feel I can call towny and, frankly, I'm pretty ok saying it's reasonable to expect monstr to be a bus target at that point. I don't think anything else in there feels like someone trying to solve the game and I think the case on Dobby is like, really twisty in a nefarious way. I have this slot as a possible wolf. Not a lock. Could easily still be villa. But thus far isoing everyone up to this point, this one is the least villagery to me by far

I don't think this is right though

HK has given me major townpings in the way they put their words together in their longerish posts at least. Saying it's the entirety of HK's ISO feels hugely disingenuous to say the least

[Dobby]

I think the team could simply be mont/dobby

Is it cuz I just said my gut wants to vote you or where did that came from

It feels like everyone mentioning me started to do it as soon as I talked about them or said they might be scum. Hk, rask and now cape. Imma try someone else now and see what happens

[Raskolnikov]

Why are you just saying this now?

I was back reading EOD1?
What do you wanna now?

[Dobby]

Cape/mont/hk is prolly just it

I mean I know I'm poe and it's gonna be hard to get out of it so I'm relying on @Sunbae to help me a little with that, I kinda just don't want to be among the first ones to die because that would be boring and sad

And a waste of handsomeness

[Cape90]

Yes? It was q semi/ joke about dolby subbing in at the start of the day and immediately voting me. What do u even mean

I was getting at I feel like it is easy for mafia to do that with their partners at the start of each day just to like distance and stuff then hop on other people later.

I seem valid to me

[Dobby]

I was getting at I feel like it is easy for mafia to do that with their partners at the start of each day just to like distance and stuff then hop on other people later.

I seem valid to me

Everything is safe for mafia to do until it isn't:p i started the day with a case on ladd and then wasn't as sure towards the end of the day

That's hit nr 2

(But yeah it's not a weird thought from you)

[Dobby]

Imma try this for a bit

Vote: cape90

Just wanna see if my tummy stops yelling at me but man hk/cap HAS a wolf or riot

[Sleep]

i caught up abd dont have a ton to add but theres two things in my mind

- i think that if newcomb is town (and that is a big if) katze is more likely a wolf than ender. katzes posts have felt all right but i dont...have strong reasons to clear her

- i'm still mighty suspicious of cuth

[Sleep]

in fact

vote: Cuthillius

[hollowkatt]

Imma drive home from work but lettuce yes

I wrote about it in my wall just now but I just don't sgree with the read on kat, the "meta" stuff, kat is rxtreeeemely competent, maybe especially as wolf and that read is playing down her skills way too much even though you're saying it is with respect which I agree you're doing. I just don't see her being as polarized as you describe there.

And that you make it some kind of duality (I think that's the word) where you start off the sentence about newcomb with "on the other hand", it just feels... staged.

Fwiw I did appreciate your post answering my "find good stuff about me", or, the segment with that rather, but I would've preferred seeing like, more uh idk how to describe it. I would've liked to see some kind of yes I really want to see if I'm being tunneled/wrong and if actually the things people have said look good for dobby actually do"

Because that would be the first thing I'd do if I would make a list like that about you, I'd want to see why the people who are saying you look good, do so

Katze is competent sure. I have spent the last 20 minutes reading through their MU wolf games both on Katze and their turbo alt and I'm rock solid confident in this read now. As wolf katze is more likely to use self-depreciating humor, is more likely to crack jokes instead of solving, and is more likely to run the game on "shitpost" mode for lack of better terms than they are as town.

I did not say polarized btw, I said I think there's enough of a difference to call that out and make a read based on it.

It is a duality for me. Katze feels obvs town, newcomb does not feel obvs town. If my post reflects that it's because that's what I'm thinking.

I started your ISO with the intention of finding good stuff. The reason that didn't continue is because I wasn't finding more good stuff. I didn't go into your ISO with the intent to paint you as poorly as possible, that just happened

[hollowkatt]

I think the team could simply be mont/dobby

Why mont?

[Sleep]

im laughing very hard at forming a rock solid metaread in 20 minutes, but i think thats a genuine thought

[Sleep]

been feeling a bit groggy and unproductive last night

I think a good play is voting me off, mostly because I am confident in my townreads, but I also feel like I am pretty spewed town from the 2 mafia that flipped, but in that regard I am sure wolves made sure buddies looked good too

y do u feel ur spewed town?

[Newcomb]

I don't think anyone has responded to any of my Monty stuff? other than newcomb referencing it

and people are still giving him credit for ending on ladd when I've pointed out 80 times that he actually tried to unvote but it was at :01 (after seeing several other people suddenly vote ladd)

his posts today are not doing it today for me but I seem to be on an island here

You're not; what did you think of the stuff he posted most recently though?

[Newcomb]

test?

[Newcomb]

Site acting really weird for anything else? The thread is loading fine but replies are lagging forever?

[Cuthillius]

ok sorry i might be around a bit later but i was marginally functional at best as a human being this weekend and now i have stuff to do

feel free to disregard my reads for the time being probably

[Newcomb]

Okay genuine question to the 29459239439 people who want to "resolve" / infolynch me.

Does the game become really different or obvious if you get confirmation I'm a villager? Because I'm sitting here *knowing I'm a villager* and weathervaning pretty hard. Like am I missing something? If you were in my shoes and knew I was a villager would you just go, "oh of course, it's obviously X/Y."

I'll take the help at this point.

[Cuthillius]

in fact

vote: Cuthillius

i take that back potentially (i haven't read anything since yesterday middayish)

what?

[Sunbae]

Look, I'm not really a good leader villager. I'm never going to be that person that tries to bend the thread to my will. I'm just a solid back seat villager that kinda just tries to view the threadstate, see the various points of view, and then figure out the best course of action taking it all into account. So I always feel weird when I rand a power role because people suddenly want to follow you more.

I don't really agree with what we're doing today. There are 11 villagers vs 2 wolves. So far we have seen no signs of wolf in-fighting (Ladd just ignored monstr, monstr just ignored Ladd). Yet we have people kind of pushing Mont (voted Ladd), Sleep (got pushed hard by Ladd), Ender (pushed and pushed by Ladd), and Cuth (voted Ladd). I totally understand that there could be a wolf there but like, I also feel like the best way to implode this lead is to start infighting with people that have good things going for them, start killing each other, have them flip town, and then just collapse into chaos.

I feel like the best course of action is to say that we haven't fully cleared those people and we'll keep an eye on them as the game progresses to ensure they keep trying to solve, but save that for later when there's more information to sort through and they've had the chance to solve more.

We have 6 town kills before we lose (we lose on the 6th) assuming the last bomb hits two town. We have plenty of time to be methodical and sort things out.

I think we should kill in Hollowkatt/Newcomb/Katze/Cape/Dobby. Or at least spend the rest of the day focusing heavily on them and then can adjust if we decide they are all likely town. I think there's towny people in there, but I think that's the group that just doesn't have anything specifically great for them action wise that has been suspected by others. So it's not my own read list but king of an aggregate of thread consensus things?

With all of this said, I'm not the person to lead. That's just like, my opinion and stuff. I'm entirely fine if ya'll read through stuff and decide "nah, we're killing X" and I'll wish you luck. I don't think I have another day here but maybe Zack dies before me.

[Sleep]

i take that back potentially (i haven't read anything since yesterday middayish)

what?

i just wanted to get ur attention

what are ur reads rn?

[Sunbae]

Okay genuine question to the 29459239439 people who want to "resolve" / infolynch me.

Does the game become really different or obvious if you get confirmation I'm a villager? Because I'm sitting here *knowing I'm a villager* and weathervaning pretty hard. Like am I missing something? If you were in my shoes and knew I was a villager would you just go, "oh of course, it's obviously X/Y."

I'll take the help at this point.

katze/hollowkatt

[Sunbae]

katze/hollowkatt

maybe? idk

[Sunbae]

I told benneh I'd read sleep so i will, brb

[Cuthillius]

for the very little it's worth when i squinted at the thread d2/after dolby flip i was looking in something like and this is super non-clarified but

katze/monty/dobby

or like

sleep/hk/somethin

but then people were stronger v-reading dobby

from the stuff i read d1/early d2 i really don't see much reason for it but idk

[Sunbae]

Fwiw, I'm almost certainly vesting Dobby if we chop town today

[Cuthillius]

i just wanted to get ur attention

what are ur reads rn?

they're archaic

[Sunbae]

Idk benneh, I mean you could be right but I think that's such a small thing (and i think ladd got genuinely flustered at an alt being in the game) compared to my reasons to town read sleep (cape case, ender defense/newcomb press wrt ladd spew all seeming totally fine). I'm not good at picking up on small things like that, sorry

[Sleep]

for the very little it's worth when i squinted at the thread d2/after dolby flip i was looking in something like and this is super non-clarified but

katze/monty/dobby

or like

sleep/hk/somethin

but then people were stronger v-reading dobby

from the stuff i read d1/early d2 i really don't see much reason for it but idk

ok

u voted monty because he opened the day pushing u and disliked him thinking u would bus, the ? is do u think monty would bus in that situation? i realize he tried to unvote but it still has to be considered he voted there in the first place