Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

At the very least, you know that person being lynched isn't you... presumably that's a good thing.

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While I have previously been a cheerleader for the "save yourself at any cost" style of play, above all everything I do is aimed at winning. If I think I will improve my odds of winning by being lynched, then I will do so. In this situation, as I saw it, saving myself at the expense of W_E would have made me look scummy and undermined my ability to aid the town for the rest of the game. Don't get me wrong, I very much prefer to have a vote than to not have a vote. However, I thought that if I saved myself in that manner I would probably have ensured my lynch in the next round anyway. So, if I was going to lose my vote no matter what, better to do it in a manner that won't make people quite as suspicious of my motives.

Thank you, I appreciate your perspective. (sincerely) :bow: I've been quite obvious about saving myself all game, and I don't think it's damaged my credibility.

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(When you have none, you have none to lose! :laugh4:)

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Originally Posted by YLC

It appears my customer wishes that my vote be placed upon TC, and, erring on the side of caution, shall..

Unvote: Sigurd, Vote: TinCow

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I offered you a goat, good man!

A GOAT!

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

I offered you a goat, good man!

A GOAT!

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Good sir, the product had already been bought! How am I to sell something that I no longer own?

Hmmm......why did you guys not vote me off??
TinCow, I thank you:bow: but you should have voted me off, if you were townie:no:

Let's look at people's reasons for voting me...

Beskar: "You lynched me in other games and are still trying to in this one":shrug: I don't like it when people take it personally....it's just a GAME, get over it.

ATPG: "I must back-up my Beskar buddy":rolleyes: I know you ATPG and you would Lie, Betray and Lie some more to save your scum buddy's, so don't say your backing up your buddy:whip: say scum buddy:yes:

Jolt: "I came up with such a bad reason to vote someone, I might as well not give a reason at all":laugh4: I mean is any of this getting though to the town??:sweatdrop: He gave such a horriable reason...It made my eyes hurt just reading it:laugh4:

Town is really not working this game:shame:

I'd like, cheat, and lie some more even as a townie. I've been doing that a lot lately.

Sometimes I do it just for fun.

Since as I said, you keep voting me for non-game reasons, it is poor sportsmanship.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Since as I said, you keep voting me for non-game reasons, it is poor sportsmanship.

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:inquisitive:
I gave my reasons. I would have been happy had I been lynched by TinCow because no more, WIFOM relating to me:bow: Why you cling to life, when you Know that the Mafia are going to use it against you is puzzling...:dizzy2:

Why can only make you and ATPG scum in my mind because of how closely you keep working together:inquisitive: A ballsy show to be sure but I am sure everyone else notices it:whip:

Edit:Okay, WHY did you just edit it?? You and Pizzaguy MUST be scum:inquisitive: He problaly PM'ed you and told you not to say anything related to him...JACKPOT

He caught us! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

He caught us! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

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I know, I didn't want to believe the Beskar-ATPG connection, that Reenk and a few others put up....but now I have no doubt, that you and Beskar are working closely together:inquisitive:

Edit:and all because Beskar has such a quick temper....figured he would see that coming:laugh4:

We work together... intimately....

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Originally Posted by Beskar

We work together... intimately....

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Bow chicka wow. Chicka wow wow. ~:pimp:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

I know, I didn't want to believe the Beskar-ATPG connection, that Reenk and a few others put up....but now I have no doubt, that you and Beskar are working closely together:inquisitive:

Edit:and all because Beskar has such a quick temper....figured he would see that coming:laugh4:

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White Eyes comes to the shocking conclusion that Beskar and ATPG may be working together about three rounds after several people put that theory forward. Case closed. :holmes:

Beskar and I are the boldest mafia ever. We just kinda chill and let the town know what we're up to. And then they go lynch themselves and we clink our martini glasses together and laugh and laugh.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Beskar and I are the boldest mafia ever. We just kinda chill and let the town know what we're up to. And then they go lynch themselves and we clink our martini glasses together and laugh and laugh.

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You both need to die, then.

Shouldn't be too much longer. In the meantime, all this focus on a select few is letting some people sneak through the entire game with 2 or 3 posts, in spite of my repeated frustrated protests.

See what I did there? I was having fun, now I'm serious. How about we get real next round.

Oh, sure....now it's the lurkers??:inquisitive:
You had your chance with Sigurd....but instead went with Me:cry2:

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Originally Posted by Tratorix

White Eyes comes to the shocking conclusion that Beskar and ATPG may be working together about three rounds after several people put that theory forward. Case closed. :holmes:

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I just thought it was mere chance and they were screwing around:laugh4:
I don't over-analyze, unless I am SK/Mafia.....not my fault:clown:

:wall:

Where's an investigator when you need one? All of this confusion is only a detriment to the town.

ATPG, if you'd like to "get serious", then stop making yourself such a blatant lynch target so we can focus on the real suspects.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

:wall:

Where's an investigator when you need one? All of this confusion is only a detriment to the town.

ATPG, if you'd like to "get serious", then stop making yourself such a blatant lynch target so we can focus on the real suspects.

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Stop getting voted for! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Bow chicka wow. Chicka wow wow. ~:pimp:

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NO!

It is: Bow chicka bow wow.

Stupid ad. IT IS COOLER IN RED VS BLUE.


RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

NO!

It is: Bow chicka bow wow.

Stupid ad. IT IS COOLER IN RED VS BLUE.


RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

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Hey chicka bum bum.

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Hey chicka bum bum.

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Bow chicka honk honk.

Bow chicka don't spam... :smg:

-edit- Lynch: Beskar

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Bow chicka don't spam... :smg:

-edit- Lynch: Beskar

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We need to lynch Beskar you say. Why?

He has put "lynch: Beskar" in every post for the last two or three rounds. He did it because his argument was to lynch me as I am a distraction and I replied "Or you could just quit saying 'lynch: Beskar', same effect." so he has constantly put it in every post.

He Spam Ghost, Coast to Coast.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Bow chicka don't spam... :smg:

-edit- Lynch: Beskar

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pever (Imitating GH's voice, which happens to be a girls): Hey guys, I'm super horny from all the robot killing. Does someone want to help me out of this armour? This breastplate is really itchy.
pever: Bow chicka -
*GH pulls out shotgun, aimed at pever*
pever: Woah...stories over.
GH (still has a girls voice, and does for the rest of it): You're a pig
pever: Hey, I didn't even get to the part where the sailors come in.

a while later
gibsong: pevers big thing?
pever: bow chicka bow wow

seconds later
GH: Everyone form up behind me, and stay tight.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Never mind, pever's in front.
pever: Ahh...it was worth it.

a few more seconds later
GH: Then lets go get this big thing of yours.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Oh shut up.

[Whatever you're smoking, send some Stateside - GH]

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

pever (Imitating GH's voice, which happens to be a girls): Hey guys, I'm super horny from all the robot killing. Does someone want to help me out of this armour? This breastplate is really itchy.
pever: Bow chicka -
*GH pulls out shotgun, aimed at pever*
pever: Woah...stories over.
GH (still has a girls voice, and does for the rest of it): You're a pig
pever: Hey, I didn't even get to the part where the sailors come in.

a while later
gibsong: pevers big thing?
pever: bow chicka bow wow

seconds later
GH: Everyone form up behind me, and stay tight.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Never mind, pever's in front.
pever: Ahh...it was worth it.

a few more seconds later
GH: Then lets go get this big thing of yours.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Oh shut up.

[Whatever you're smoking, send some Stateside - GH]

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Like I only saw the sanitized version and I'm still... :huh:

People who I think are scummy in decreasing order:

Tratorix
Sigurd
Beskar/Atpg
Death is Yonder

I suppose that is because I haven't been participating much in this line of discussion?

I just think that the lynches thus far, while providing discussion, are started to side track the town.

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Shouldn't be too much longer. In the meantime, all this focus on a select few is letting some people sneak through the entire game with 2 or 3 posts, in spite of my repeated frustrated protests.

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Vindication, ain't it? People like me just cruising by... as a matter of proof, we're so caught up in back and forth circle logic about who is guilty and who is not, that little 'ol me who for some extremely odd reason conjured up near lynches on all my votes on the first round :yes:

Insta-Bandwagon eh?

Surprised nobody picked up on it, I was getting curious about it.

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Where's an investigator when you need one? All of this confusion is only a detriment to the town.

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Here's a thought, why don't we pressure the lurkers! :idea2:

Certainly not overdone, and certainly no bandwagons... :sweatdrop:

Mob: Speak up or die!

Lurker: *squeak* Don't kill me please! I stopped lurking!

Mob: Feel the power of the bandwagon... behavior change! Lynch him! :skull:

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

ATPG, if you'd like to "get serious", then stop making yourself such a blatant lynch target so we can focus on the real suspects.

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Hmm... let's recap.

First round:

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Chaotix, Jolt, Tratorix, and Reenk vote for me. I am forced to vote for FactionHeir to stay alive, and I didn't even hide what I was doing. I even said FH was going to be a poop-tastic lynch, because he hadn't posted and I sent him a message many, many hours before the end of the round going "Hey you're gonna die if you don't show up this lynch is stupid vote for someone else with me so we can both live" and he didn't show up until he was dead. It seemed plainly obvious to me he was innocent, and I asked everyone in the thread to vote for someone else. No one listened. The bandwagon on me, which started rolling based off of my post where I did the South Park underwear gnome "4: ????? 5: Profit!!!!" joke was rather bizarre.

Second round:

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The Beskar wagon! In post 163, I flat out tell you he's innocent. Gee, how would I know that? Fun. Not to be outdone by my blatant reveal that he's my partner, the wagon continues. Post 168, I flat out state it once again. My voting pattern all round was simply to spare him from death. Post 203, Tratorix makes an observation at how suicidal it would be for me to simply reveal who my mafia partner is and blatantly vote to spare him all game. A couple players, such as TinCow and Reenk, actually think this makes sense. As such, I don't go after them at all because hey... making sense is a good thing. Beefy gets lynched due to the Beskar wagon which I kind of hinted several times was a mistake. And, one of us should have died that night due to the reveal; I guess town wasn't the only one not paying attention. GH dies that night, and concludes Beskar must have done it. I hate to criticize the dead, but... sorry, no he didn't. I'm sure there are other people who might have wanted to take you out of the game. Everything I've done so far: Scummy, not obviously Beskar's partner with such a simplistic behavior pattern that it is picked up by Reenk very very early on in the game, to which I didn't even deny it, and in fact admitted it several times. Definitely scum.

Third round:

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White_Eyes votes for me. :wall: Wonder why I want him dead? Townies need to be more observant than this. He voted me for "killing Beefy, the likely innocent townie", over Beskar, the 100% innocent townie. This would be the same obvious innocent he himself voted for once. I am a smooth criminal. I vote Khazaar because he is not doing anything to contribute. Gibson votes for me again, perhaps trying to lynch me so that I won't have to be nightkilled, proving that I am a townie. I try to involve Split in the discussion because he appeared to be showing up very infrequently, blending in to the mass of players who were currently doing that. Then he voted for himself and I suggested it would be a bad idea to do that, even though it provided another body to be voted for which could save my own butt. Chaotix votes for Split, which seemed awfully scum to me after he had voted for me in previous rounds and now was his chance to lynch me. But that's ok because I'm the scummy one here and nothing I do makes any sense. I start a campaign to get Khazaar talking which fails woefully, while I obviously avoid voting for Beskar, or even Reenk, who seems to make more sense even though he's still stuck on Beskar. Ichigo drops an excuse for not participating and sneaks through more rounds. YLC votes Beskar and I just blatantly do anything I can to save him, carefully packaged in a layer of sarcasm. Sigurd doesn't go for Beskar when he has the chance, so I mark him down as perhaps one of the sane ones. White_Eyes votes for Beskar, further solidifying him as a troublemaker in my book for this game. I so want him dead. Jolt votes for me... I'm not even close. Totally wasted vote. I even tell him to use it properly, you could even use it on Beskar. Gee, since he thinks I'm guilty, why wouldn't he use it on Beskar, who I am defending? Not a smart move if I am mafia. Yet as a townie, I feel obligated to point out he's just wasting his vote. Totally pointless.

Anyways, round three was just as useless as rounds one and two, and I again make no attempt to hide my affiliation with Beskar. I even make up cutesy nicknames for the two of us. In desperation, I even ask Split to vote for himself. Split, who I felt was a bad lynch but better than a Beskar lynch, goes down. I would have preferred pressuring those who are sneaking by while all the focus is on myself and Beskar, but... what the hey.

Fourth round:

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In post 360 I note that I feel that we've been wasting our energies focusing on Beskar, and the factionalism over whether or not he is guilty is unhelpful. But if you think he's guilty, vote for him, because 4 wasted rounds is enough. Jolt votes for White_Eyes and I hop right on that bandwagon. This round the focus is on TinCow and Sigurd, both of whom have been less foamy at the mouth over Beskar's supposed guilt, so I'd rather not let a sane townie go. I did everything I could to give you a third option, one who is basically guaranteed to doom us to fail because he's obsessed with Beskar and me, but... TinCow chose not to spare himself, and that was the end of that chapter. I joke that Beskar and I are the most obvious mafia ever, and Jolt takes me seriously. *facepalm* Then I say, let's get real next round... because I'd really, really, really like us to get real next round. From where I'm sitting, we've done nothing but waste time and throw around some really thoughtless accusations which might have been retracted after only a moment or two of critical thinking. Either lynch Beskar or don't, either lynch me or don't, but please populate your suspect lists with more than just us. And yes, we are working together. Speculation continues that we might be working together, which is silly because I said so. A lot. At this point, revealing that we know each other are innocent and getting killed off by the mafia would actually be a very good thing for the town so they can move on. We aren't that critical to your efforts anyway.

Too long; didn't read:

Beskar and I are working together and I've even made that painfully obvious. Lynch us, but then please move on.

Do not let Reenk dictate the direction of the discussion. He still needs to explain this:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

given some behind the scenes knowledge I have gotten

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Reenk has admitted to received information from someone else which included some kind of evidence that I am guilty. Since I know that to be blatantly false, either Reenk is lying or his contact is lying. Pressure Reenk until this issue is clarified.

Alright. Long post there, ATPG.

From the perspective you've given, it all seemingly makes sense. And make no mistake: I don't think you are mafia, at least. However, I do think that you're doing a very good job at getting votes on you for absolutely no reason, therefore diverting attention from other potential suspects. And it's not just you, either- Beskar and Reenk are very good at this, too.

Here's my case in point: You made a joke about being the mafia earlier this round. Jolt and White_eyes now believe you are mafia and have to be lynched. And they're actually serious about it.


I think, in order to absolutely clear you in my mind (and keep the masses from lynching you), you need to tell us why you and Beskar are working together. Is it just in your role pms? Do you have some sort of ability? If you don't know each other to be innocent, why do believe it is so?

Answering these sorts of questions will provide an alternative story than "we are blatant scum-buddies, lynch us" to those who still believe you are guilty, and it will likely make you a non-entity in lynches again, instead turning you into two more players that the mafia has to kill.

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Alright. Long post there, ATPG.

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I've been trying not to. I know it grates on people's nerves. :shame:

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From the perspective you've given, it all seemingly makes sense. And make no mistake: I don't think you are mafia, at least. However, I do think that you're doing a very good job at getting votes on you for absolutely no reason, therefore diverting attention from other potential suspects. And it's not just you, either- Beskar and Reenk are very good at this, too.

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To be fair, I can't really force people to vote for me. And, I believe my behavior has made it obvious that I won't be surviving the game. If the mafia doesn't kill me, you're going to get an itchy trigger finger and lynch me yourself. And I've pointed to Beskar as my partner, who also freely admits it. If, after I have done this, people want to lynch me, you can't really blame the victim. Most of you are familiar with my joke-laden playstyle by now, and I'm not acting much different from usual. So I don't consider the point that we are attracting votes to be valid, because I'm not acting scummy by any rational definition I can come up with.

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Here's my case in point: You made a joke about being the mafia earlier this round. Jolt and White_eyes now believe you are mafia and have to be lynched. And they're actually serious about it.

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I make that same joke almost every game, even games where I am mafia. Again, not news. And I know Jolt and White_Eyes are serious about lynching me; it is my hope that they either change their mind or at least begin to think of other suspects while voting for me, at the same time. But I hold out few hopes.

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I think, in order to absolutely clear you in my mind (and keep the masses from lynching you), you need to tell us why you and Beskar are working together. Is it just in your role pms? Do you have some sort of ability? If you don't know each other to be innocent, why do believe it is so?

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I won't reveal the whole truth of what's going on publicly, because it's bad enough as is.

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Answering these sorts of questions will provide an alternative story than "we are blatant scum-buddies, lynch us" to those who still believe you are guilty, and it will likely make you a non-entity in lynches again, instead turning you into two more players that the mafia has to kill.

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It is my hope that ambiguity will actually help create a WIFOM circle in the mafia's collective heads. I'd prefer not to clarify, thank you. Certain players have been informed as to what is really going on, and that is enough for now.

I enjoy and lament the town's bickering, while you completely ignore lurkers.

Alright, sounds good enough to me. If other players know exactly who you are, and are not trying to lynch you for it, then that's a giveaway that you've given them a plausible enough explanation. I'd estimate the person you notified to be Reenk, based on my own ability to put 2 and 2 together.

Hopefully, others will stop voting for you and we can actually get some real work done here (something both you and I agree on).

Just promise that you won't try to get yourself lynched. :clown:

Well, I'll try not to, but maybe this is all giant WIFOM and I really am mafia trying to be lynched! :laugh4: (sorry, couldn't resist) The sad part is, with me, you don't know if that is actually a bluff I would do or not. :2thumbsup: Anyways, all this suspicion is keeping me alive at night. ...Or is it? :inquisitive:



EDIT: What AVSM said. Lurkers. :whip:

I said why I don't' trust you earlier ATPG:inquisitive:....you even agreed and thanked me for it:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies

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Originally Posted by ATPG

Thank you. :bow:

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Then you try to have me lynched..:brood: I think it is pretty clear why I would want you lynched:smash:

I know how desperate you are, when Mafia...didn't think I forgot that at one time you showed me what a mafia must do for his scum buddies:beam:

Which instance are you referring to?

BTW- Oblivious? :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by ATPG

and Jolt takes me seriously. *facepalm*

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I was joking. *facepalm*

"The Prometheus" comes to mind:wink: You even did the PM thing that most consider scummy:laugh4:

Convinced me to change my vote at the last minute, and almost saved your sorry behind:whip:

If it hadn't been for Reenk and Khaan's bold plan....you would have lost...:wall:

"Throwing your Mafia buddy under the bus" you were ALWAYS bad at it...:2thumbsup:

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If I was always bad at it, why have I lost only one game as a mafioso?

@ Jolt- Sorry, couldn't tell.

Your teammates were really good:tongue:

And I am getting a vibe off of you, similar to back then....which might not surprise you but if I am right....I called it:beam:

Edit: Ok, I guess I should put more thought into the "Vibe" I am getting off you...

When you are townie...you tend to ignore people's pleas for innocence look at (Family guy mafia or Chaotix's Game) While effective, you also tend to lynch the guy who you think is innocent because you double guess yourself...like this..."Maybe he is Mafia? and he has been pulling the wool over my eyes??"

When you are Mafia you tend to take the fall for your scum buddies, because you feel that you can help them the best this way. The REASON for this is because you KNOW that they are on your side:bow:

1. Your defending Beskar because he is your scum Buddie...
or
2. Your both Pro-town and are really shouting it out to the Mafia saying "Kill us please" which is not a very ATPG Pro-town move :tongue:

If I were mafia, we wouldn't be having this conversation because I would have killed you already. :2thumbsup:

*AHEM* I... would... have.... killed.... White.... Eyes... by.... now.

*waits for the morning filled with hope*

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

If I were mafia, we wouldn't be having this conversation because I would have killed you already. :2thumbsup:

*AHEM* I... would... have.... killed.... White.... Eyes... by.... now.

*waits for the morning filled with hope*

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You know, white_eyes is going to die now. I can practically sense a last-minute order change.

*Mafia changes the kill target*
AskthePizzaGuy: I got framed!
Town: ZOMG KILL HIM!
*AskthePizzaGuy gets killed.. he was Shinseikhaan! The Mafia win*
Town: It is your fault Pizza!
AskthePizzaGuy: :cry:

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

You know, white_eyes is going to die now. I can practically sense a last-minute order change.

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But then who be lynch-bait?:juggle2: Can I dream it would be ATPG or Beskar?

If you're out there, mafia, please frame me.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Do not let Reenk dictate the direction of the discussion. He still needs to explain this:



Reenk has admitted to received information from someone else which included some kind of evidence that I am guilty. Since I know that to be blatantly false, either Reenk is lying or his contact is lying. Pressure Reenk until this issue is clarified.

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1. I don't need to explain that at all.

2. You once again may be falling into the trap of either misinterpreting what I meant or intentionally distorting it (your darn English lesson makes me type five more words to say what I to say... ::thumbsdown:) and thus jumping to a false conclusion.

3. It seems your attempts to draw attention to this are falling on deaf ears yet again, so I've decided to help you out yet again. :smash:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

2. You once again may be falling into the trap of either misinterpreting what I meant or intentionally distorting it (your darn English lesson makes me type five more words to say what I to say... ::thumbsdown:) and thus jumping to a false conclusion.

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Then enlighten me. Someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me. I am very suspicious of this for obvious reasons, since I have engaged in no game activity outside of this thread and was a simple townie who didn't even have a role PM. Your use of the word "knowledge" has a very definite meaning which conveys the possession of information. Since it is impossible for there to be any real information on me that would make me look guilty, this means that whatever you "knowledge" you were given was false, or you just made it up yourself.

Let's not dodge the issue any further. What you are essentially doing is claiming that there is a detective out there who is sharing results with people and you have been given private information about the existence of this detective and/or their results. If this detective fingered me, then that person is not a detective and they are instead a mafioso. If this detective did not finger me, then why did the information make you vote for me?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Then enlighten me.

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Again? :clown:

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Someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me.

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Your most sober and most likely to be correct appraisal of the situation. Had you not gone farther than this you would be trotting on well assured ground.

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Let's not dodge the issue any further. What you are essentially doing is claiming that there is a detective out there who is sharing results with people and you have been given private information about the existence of this detective and/or their results. If this detective fingered me, then that person is not a detective and they are instead a mafioso. If this detective did not finger me, then why did the information make you vote for me?

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Nope.

Go back to this line: "someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me" and I'll now tell you that's really all there is to it.

The person who told me to vote for did not even give any intimation of being a detective. In fact, I did not even consider his request (given sometime in the second round) until the last round. My reasons to vote for you were not even as much as a result of his words, rather they were more a result of my own independent reasoning and speculation based on what Sigurd, DJGingivtis, and the person (who could also be Sigurd or DJGingivtis) had said. That's it.

You have to ask yourself, why did I after voting you, unvote you and ask YLC to unvote you (and once again, I'm very sorry to YLC for the vote/unvote thing - should I once again be able to purchase your vote, I will make sure to hold off until the end with a final determination :bow:).

GH, you havent seen Red vs Blue?

[Seen it now, video removed. If you're really curious, use your Google-fu - GH]

Some bad words. Only one or two.

No, I haven't. That explains a lot. Not everything, but it's a start. :laugh4:

I saw your edit, but all you did was add your comment? :laugh4:

I love RvB.

Episode 1 is a huge laugh.
"Gentlemen, may I present to you the M12 LRV. I like to call it the Warthog."
"Why warthog sir?"
"See those two tusks? That makes it look like a warthog. Plus M12 LRV is too hard to say in normal conversation."
"Looks more like a puma."
"What in gods green earth is a puma?"
"Like..a lion. A big cat"
"Look, I'm gunna call it the warthog, so unless you're done making up mythical names, lets stick to the warthog."
"I'm done."
"You sure? What about unicorn? Or dugong?"


"What can you see?"
"They've got a car."
"Aww man, they could totally pick up chicks in a car."
"We're getting a tank."
"What does the car look like"
"I dunno...a big cat..."
"Ohh, a puma"



"GET DOWN HERE LADIES, THIS 'AINT NO ICE CREAM SOCIAL!"
"Ice cream social sir?"
"Can anyone guess, why I have gathered you here, today."
"Is it because the war is over?"
"Yes private, the war is over, and you'se a biiiiiig hero. We gunna hold a parade in your honour. I get to drive the float, and SIMMONS IS IN CHARGE OF CONFETTI!"
"I'm no stranger to sarcasm sir..."


Anyway, back to the game.

I'm not convinced it isn't Chaotix. He lurks and then votes YLC deep into the game after YLC has been in character the whole time. Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Your teammates were really good:tongue:

And I am getting a vibe off of you, similar to back then....which might not surprise you but if I am right....I called it:beam:

Edit: Ok, I guess I should put more thought into the "Vibe" I am getting off you...

When you are townie...you tend to ignore people's pleas for innocence look at (Family guy mafia or Chaotix's Game) While effective, you also tend to lynch the guy who you think is innocent because you double guess yourself...like this..."Maybe he is Mafia? and he has been pulling the wool over my eyes??"

When you are Mafia you tend to take the fall for your scum buddies, because you feel that you can help them the best this way. The REASON for this is because you KNOW that they are on your side:bow:

1. Your defending Beskar because he is your scum Buddie...
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2. Your both Pro-town and are really shouting it out to the Mafia saying "Kill us please" which is not a very ATPG Pro-town move :tongue:

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@White_Eyes- I didn't see your edit until just now.

That is perhaps the first post you've made all game where I could follow your reasoning. I see what you're saying, and from your perspective it makes sense. However, that doesn't make it any less incorrect. I can't prove it, and so therefore you will just have to vote me down. At least, now that I understand where you're coming from, I'll try not to take it personally.

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Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

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Edit: Just 3 posts of yours ago, you were sure we were both top suspects. Not that I'm complaining, but when did you change your mind? You're wording it as if you're backing off your previous position without acknowledging it.

Like everyone, it seemed to me that you guys were the obvious suspects. Then I noticed that Chaotix had voted for YLC, which seemed scummy.

(I acknowledge that I had voted for YLC too for the same reason Chaotix did, but that was earlier in the game before any real arguments against anyone else were made)

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

I'm not convinced it isn't Chaotix. He lurks and then votes YLC deep into the game after YLC has been in character the whole time. Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

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Erm... actually, the vote on YLC was pressure. I didn't really think he was mafia, but I wanted to see if he had some other kind of power role, which his role-playing seems to suggest.

EDIT: and this was made clear in the post with the vote in it, if you go back and read it.

However, the whole point is moot because I quickly changed my vote to you after your scum-vote.

When does the round end? Sorry Shiseikhaan, I am just confused to when the rounds are supposed to end.

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When does the round end? Sorry Shiseikhaan, I am just confused to when the rounds are supposed to end.

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They're 36 hours. However, I need to get to sleep tonight before midnight, so I am going to be posting writeup soon.

Dark clouds hung over the endless steppes this night. The moon's ghastly glow could not permeate their presence, leaving the only light that which was artificially created. Reenk Roink sat in his tent, stooped next to the fire. He gently rolled his knife over in his hands. He occasionally shot terse glances towards the tent opening. The killings, the heavenly omen... this was no time to be napping.

*flit*

Reenk's neck snapped erect. Something.... someone.... by the tent opening. He lifted himself into a crouch, and stalked towards the opening. He lifted one side opening, and peered outside. The darkness was oppressive. Only the slight glow from his own fire offered aid. He swiveled his head left, then right. He took another step out. He heard a rustling to his right, which quickly became distinguishable as hasty footsteps. Reenk readied his knife, putting himself into a defensive stance at the tent opening. The steps altered, and he could hear them now in front of him somewhere. Then, another sound! A scuffling to his left! Reenk shifted to face his left. He pulled his right elbow back to prepare a jab with his knife, when a man slammed into him from what was now his right. The force shocked Reenk enough that knife in his hand was jarred loose and was sent flying. Now that his attacker was cast in the faint glow radiating from his fire, Reenk had just enough time to see the knife in the man's hand come plunging down into his rib cage. The man rammed the knife into Reenk's torso over and over again, his mass preventing Reenk from escaping from under him. The man skulked of into the darkness, leaving the bleeding mass behind....



YLC, unlike some others in the camp, was making sure to get his rest come night. He laid down for the night, anticipating well sleep, so long as the heavens did not bring more misfortune upon them. He lay asleep for the night. A light snore was emitted from his throat. Meanwhile, a man entered the tent unnoticed at the other end of the tent. The man peered around the tent for a few seconds, as though perhaps entertaining the thought that a trap had been laid. Still, the only sound to be heard was YLC's faint snore. The man stepped as quietly up to his sleeping target, still a sense of caution to his steps. When he arrived at the snoozing body, he looked around the tent once more, his appearance becoming one of increasing paranoia. Quickly, he unsheathed a sword, and directed its blade directly into the throat of YLC. Blood poured out, and YLC thrashed for a second before laying limp. The man practically sprinted out of the tent, and out into the darkness....



Perhaps it was my previous nights of poor sleep, or perhaps it was the splendidly dark, overcast weather for the night. Either way, I had a marvelous night of sleep. I awoke almost in tune with the sun itself, feeling fresh, though still a bit anxious, I admit. When I arrived at the council, only a handful of tribesmen, as well as Shinzei, were there. I took my place next to Shinzei, and asked him what of last night's events. He informed me that there were two more brutal deaths last night. My meager hopes began to sink again. It seemed the heavens had indeed foretold calamitous events for us. I was not looking forward to this council....

-- The Record of Zhang Qian




Alive: 16

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Dead: 5

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Reenk Roink (N5)
YLC (N5)

Lynched: 4

FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)

WoK'd: 0



DAY PHASE BEGINS! IT WILL LAST 36 HOURS!

Boom two deaths. Interesting. Sorry TC. I suspect several people. After I find out how everyone else feels I shall share my thoughts and see if that helps anyone.

Don't bother, Ichigo is guilty.

vote: Ichigo

I got a rather unambiguous result. He was the last person in YLC's tent, there were noises, and he ran off. I don't have 100% investigation ability, but I can tell if Ichigo did anything during the night. So far I've gotten nothing but empty results. Previous night, I checked Ichigo and he didn't do anything. So, since there were no kills, I repeated the investigation last night. It clearly implies he killed YLC.

THAT is what was really going on with me trying to stay alive. Beskar and I aren't partners, I just asked him to pretend to be.

Load off my shoulders.

Vote: Ichigo

I think I voted him in round 1, if so: I KNEW HE WAS GUILTY!
If I didnt: HES GUILTY!

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REENK! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sounds good enough to me.

Vote: Ichigo

I wonder why the mafia killed off someone we might have lynched on our own, though... surely they could have picked someone less... controversial?

As for YLC, I fully expected to have "removed" his wares for "safekeeping" within a few hours, so nobody has to worry about them being posthumously stolen. Ahem. :grin:

What is there to say other than what has been said?

Vote: Ichigo

Though, what is disturbing, why are there now two kills and who is the other Mafia?

It is my belief that Ichigo wasn't active at the start of the game, and then kept the kills to a minimum in order to not make it obvious that it was him missing the kills.

However, I can't prove that, and there are other plausible explanations.

Vote: Ichigo

As long as this makes the Mafia kill one guy per night again, I'm all in for it.

Well, unless someone makes a more convincing argument than claiming detective, Vote: Ichigo.

Vote: Ichigo

Let's nab him. Might as well

It's going to be a quiet 36 hours.

Hmmm.....you guys all know that ATPG said his investigation ability is not 100%:laugh4: but I well see what happens....:juggle2: ATPG, Reenk before he died sent me a...interesting PM between the two of you....it seems more like a Cultist group then you being a detective:inquisitive: It would also explain why you trust Beskar...even though in Chaotix's game you killed everyone just to be sure:inquisitive:

I can post it but it's very, very long (It toke me over half an HOUR to read it...:furious3:)
You know what? cat's out of the bag so I will just post it in spoiler tags..:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Hi White eyes, just wanted to see how you were. :smiley: K, enough chit-chat, let's talk Mongolica (specifically Atpg)! :beam:

So you know the story: I thought Atpg's last second vote to save himself round one was cheap and went after him. Didn't think he was Mafia at the moment. :shrug: Beskar goes and sticks up for him, causing me to reread the thread and noticing the connection between them. Pretty crappy case I cooked up, but by the standards of Mafia games, it was decent. :2thumbsup: I go after them for awhile for the two reasons that I kinda like to push Beskar's buttons and nobody else is really coming up. :laugh4:

On July 24 (don't know the round exactly, it was probably during the split lynch), Atpg sends me this PM:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Posts 255, 256, and 257:

There's a reason I didn't vote for you in that situation. Given that currying your favor is highly unlikely, what is the other reason?

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Here is all further correspondence by me and him at that point:

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Posts 255, 256, and 257:

There's a reason I didn't vote for you in that situation. Given that currying your favor is highly unlikely, what is the other reason?

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I can speculate many reasons. Not sure which one is correct, only you know.

Perhaps it was because the game was early and most people hadn't voted. Pushing a third vote on me really would do more to yourself than to me, as I only had a few people ever gunning against me in the first place.

Perhaps it was because of my nice smile. :laugh4:

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There is a player here who has the ability to "watch" another player at night. It is like an investigation but somewhat inconclusive. You were watched and you weren't doing anything that night. That doesn't tell me a whole lot, but I'd rather vote for someone who hadn't been watched over someone who has. As it's not conclusive, it's not a terrible loss if that person is found out and murdered; but I'd still prefer a murder over a lynch, and save the lynches for those who haven't been "watched".

Even if you're skeptical, I'd still prefer a round or two of time. Trust me, I'll end up dead soon enough.

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I'll tell you what, thank you for telling me this Atpg. I'm can't tell if you're lying or not but my gut tells me you're a good guy (or THE good guy). :yes:

If you are THE good guy this does make my going after you a good thing in a way. You have suspicion on yourself which makes the Mafia less likely to want to kill you if they don't figure out who you are. Also if you are a bad guy, there's still a case against you that may be exploited for your lynch.

Obviously, if you are truthful and I believe you to be, this makes my whole case against Beskar wrong. He still may or may not be Mafia, but the reason I had against him is obviously no longer valid. That is given you are THE good guy, and not Mafia who knows of what the good guy did and is now trying to seem like on his side. :wall:

The one that remains for me is Sigurd, did this good guy watch him yet?

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The problem here is that we are dealing with more than a single mafioso (I would expect... game would have an awfully strange setup otherwise) and so being watched does not in and of itself mean you're totally innocent. It only means you weren't the one doing the killing that night, which is... unreliable but better than nothing.

As such, and given how revealing this to you is a risk because I still can't confirm you're innocent and vice-versa, I'd PREFER not to reveal everyone else who gets "watched" just yet. However, until I die and thereafter, I will nudge the town when they are getting it wrong if that person is in danger. That I feel is the best way to limit the damage.

There is at least one player who has been "watched" and still has no idea that they were. Again, since it's not 100% I'd rather not drop a hint to them. In your case, given how suspicion and votes are high in my direction, and my death would seem to be a done deal in a short amount of time, I don't feel I've really risked a whole lot by coming out early. Just trying to limit the damage.

Please feel free to continue the case against Beskar or Sigurd or anyone, basically. Beskar, like myself, is pretty much dead in the water due to our behavior and suspicion cast against him. Once the heat dies down from the town, it's only logical the mafia will finish us off. I'm actually more concerned about you, because you do have a chance of outliving us, and you've already been checked out.

I would like to keep everyone who has been watched alive as long as possible without giving away too much. Seeing as the watcher doesn't stand a chance, it's more necessary than usual to keep those who have been watched already alive. The information is useless after they are dead; the whole point of the investigation is to have some knowledge about the remaining living players. The detective himself is less of a concern because he will definitely die by the mid-game or so, if he is lucky.

That's the reasoning I'm using to be kind of obvious about my behavior just to keep those who have been watched alive. Wasting time watching them when they just end up dead does none of us good.

Rambling... revealed too much here but that's how it goes. If you absolutely insist on knowing who else has been checked out I will of course be forced to tell you; I'd prefer it if you didn't ask, please.

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Ok, it seems you don't trust me as much as I trust you. This is fine, and understandable, given that you have more to lose than me.

I won't ask you about who else you watched (at this point, given some of the ways you used pronouns in that post, I'm assuming you are this watcher). I won't also hide the fact that it does make me slightly more suspicious of you (though I still believe you more than I don't).

All I will say is that by my estimation of things, you probably have more than two rounds to live assuming you don't get killed. I don't think you're a popular lynch at all at the moment.

If you feel the heat than obviously reveal. Of course, I will probably back you when you do so.

P.S: Pretty damn good play to make it look like you were intentionally saving Beskar but also hint that it was some kind of sarcastic response to my case. Did you a lot of good imo. :2thumbsup:

I will suggest one course of action lastly.

Perhaps this watcher could enlist a townie to be his messenger. This townie would pretend to be a watcher and tell the town who was innocent at a critical stage. It would most likely mean death for that townie, but to save the watcher it would be well worth it. The watcher could continue on seeking new targets this way.

Of course, the watcher would have to trust the townie, so it is his call. I'm sure the townie is at his beck and call. :wink:

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Might you be volunteering for this "watcher" role?

Hmmm.... Reenk Roink... claiming to be "the watcher".... again... I see only one minor flaw with that plan. No one would believe you'd be a "watcher" for what is it, the third time? (I think?) :laugh4: I'm kidding; if you think you can pull it off, that's fine. I was actually planning on doing something like that as soon as I had a few under my belt.

Aside- I was going to wait until the next day phase to send you the first message I sent, because I felt that was the safest time to reveal to you (getting through another night phase) however I saw you were getting into the verbal wars again and I wanted to see if I couldn't spare you the trouble of arguing about a connection between Beskar and I, when apparently you are one of the few who noticed one early and took it seriously.

As for being suspicious of me; no offense taken. Keep these conversations saved if you wish, use them as evidence if you want to force me to claim. I've gone to the fake claim well a lot of times, so essentially my life is in your hands. I know the detective claim is scummy, and that's why it would make sense for you to reveal me if I fail to make any progress. As for me trusting you, there's no such thing as absolute trust in mafia games, but this whole conversation is evidence that you have benefit of the doubt from me, more so than most, at the present time. I apologize it isn't 100% but it is what I can offer.

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Sorry for such a long read :sweatdrop: but I think you see what's going on. Atpg claims to be some role that can watch others during the night (detective lite). I buttered him up in those PM's (knowing a bit about Atpg and how he takes his performance in these games somewhat to heart) but the truth is, my belief was a bit greater than my suspicion back then.

(somewhat recently Atpg asked me about my vote switch on TinCow and if I needed him and Beskar [there is a connection now] to vote on him - if you want those PM's ask, but they aren't important to what we're discussing)

Now then, while I cautiously believed Atpg before, and I still cautiously believe him now, I want to cover all bases. This is where you come in. :2thumbsup:

Why you? Well, me and you are a good team and I like playing with you of course. :yes: Also, your argument with Atpg caught my eye.

I'm telling you all of this in the chance that Atpg is lying and is Mafia. I already tried to test him recently, by asking him to reveal. My PM and his response, all today:

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I suggest you reveal. Either this round or the next. Either by yourself or through someone.

There are 18 players now (possibly less after this coming night). With your 4 (or 5) investigations not only does the town get a better handle on almost a third of the remaining players, but they also have a lot more time to do things with the information, unlike if we only had 10 more players left.

I see what you've been trying to do having done it myself many a time, but I believe it might backfire. You may just go ahead and get too much lynch support, or you might be knocked off by the Mafia for being too out there.

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I understand and appreciate your concern, Reenk; as of right now someone else already knows everything that I know, and it doesn't even matter if I reveal at the moment or not, because even if the mafia kills one of us, the other can reveal. (Like two MAFIA? Pizzaguy said there was only ONE:inquisitive:)

However, it would be tactically beneficial for me to take me up on your offer to "reveal" for me. Not only would that more fully clear you in my mind (the watcher role not being 100%) but it would spare the other person I have to look out for.

I don't want to do anything more tonight because it could give the mafia too much info, which they pretty much already have. The truth will come out soon though, and it could be a good idea to deal with this in the morning.

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So now you know everything I know about Atpg.

He has a person who he has trusted more than me (could it be his Mafia partner? could it be Beskar? could it just be some cleared townie he trusts more than me?), so he's obviously trying to cover his bases. It's all good, as so am I. :cool:

He wants me to potentially reveal for him. OK cool, if he's really a watcher type role, than I wouldn't have a problem doing it. But I also want Atpg to be kept on his toes. So that's why I'm going to ask you to do me a favor. If/when Atpg asks me to reveal on his behalf, I'm going to forward you all the info, and you will do it. :laugh4:

If Atpg's legit, then he shouldn't have a problem, even though it might mess with his head a bit. If he's not, then we'll have messed with his head. :clown: Either way, I don't want Atpg running things, not when I'm not 100% sure about his innocence.

Lastly, you might be Mafia. I don't think so right now (Reenktuition's got nothing though my gut says you're innocent) but the way it's set up, if you were Mafia, you are screwed even if you get this information. If Atpg dies, I know who did it. :smash: So yeah, I covered this base too (I hope). :2thumbsup:

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I bolded all the suspicious stuff have a good read:bounce:

I don't see the connection between my PM activity and a cult group, but maybe that is because I am the one being accused. Could you clarify?

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THAT is what was really going on with me trying to stay alive. Beskar and I aren't partners, I just asked him to pretend to be.

Load off my shoulders.

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You words, yes?:smash:

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Not only would that more fully clear you in my mind (the watcher role not being 100%) but it would spare the other person I have to look out for.

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You lied....there are TWO of you...and it points strongly towards two mafia being you and Beskar:inquisitive: (It makes sense given you never trust anyone as Pro-town...Look back at Chaotix's mafia or Family guy mafia. You even had your Pro-town roles killed:sweatdrop:)
And yet you trust Reenk and Beskar? even though it's not a 100%?
Your Lieing plan and simple

I need to confirm something before I say anything on the "Cultist part" mostly from Reenk's viewpoint:smash:

They could be pro-town masons... of course they could also be duping us. Luckily, these are Reenk's e-mails. They'd be pretty darn smart mafia.

It's funny that White_Eyes:D has this "convincing" argument when AskthePizzaGuy has got a successful result on some one. There is a far easier test, at the end of the turn, if Ichigo is found to be "innocent" then obviously, PizzaGuy must be Mafia/Lying, thus lynch him. On the otherhand, if AskthePizzaGuy is telling the truth, obviously, it means there is one Mafia left and well, there was some one trying to divert the town away from a proven mafia....

As long as your not going to spam the thread, I don't mind:tongue:

It is set in stone for Ichigo:smash: Why I even bothered to warn town is beyond me..:shrug:

Vote:Ichigo

Edit: It is also interesting, how Reenk died the day he asked you guys to reveal:smash: (It could be bad luck but I prefer to think you both had something to do with it)
I also think my theory about the Mafia powering up there kills is true...:bow:
We should be looking at one or no kills tonight...I played Khaans games before and he doesn't
cut a mafia's kills just because one is lynched...I also think you guys were trying to swap that under the rug as well...truth is, there is no way to know if you are telling the truth or not..

I'm left speechless by you, White Eyes.

I don't have anything more to add, because I'm willing to be lynched in trade for lynching Ichigo. Any question of my supposed guilt will be put to rest then.

That would be the problem....even if you do...no one well lynch you over Ichigo because they have a detective reveal even though it's not a guarantee, over a PM from a suspicious townie and you...Ichigo is dead but I know that you two are the most suspicious:inquisitive:

This all would have been avoided had you been clear about Beskar role in all this....but now you messed up by keeping it secret, yet still trying to have others lynched and even PMing Reenk, who you should know would not trust you:laugh4:

If your Mafia then this is the ballsiest move you have ever done....if you hadn't been trying so hard to protect Beskar I wouldn't even have seen it:2thumbsup:

You have an opinion that I can't overturn, because you're pretty sure about your hunch. Some points:

1. There's plenty of time left on the clock. Revealing this early just to lynch Ichigo of all people if I were a mafia makes no sense. The same strategy could be done next round. I wasn't really in danger of being lynched.
2. That being said, I do things that make no sense, out of sheer balls. That is why I am aware I have no credibility as a detective revealing, and am prepared to die next round. That should be good enough for you.
3. I am working with Beskar, but I've never made a secret about it. Given how much of a dead man walking I am, how long do you think he's going to live, if he were my mafia partner? Makes no sense.

I realize I do things which seem to make no sense, as a strategy, at times. But there's no way I'd abort our entire chance of winning the game by voluntarily revealing to the town we were both working together, as early as round 2, and then follow it up with a fake detective claim on round 5, with so many players left. It's a moron strategy. If I am as clever as you suggest, give me more credit.

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That would be the problem....even if you do...no one well lynch you over Ichigo because they have a detective reveal even though it's not a guarantee, over a PM from a suspicious townie and you...Ichigo is dead but I know that you two are the most suspicious:inquisitive:

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I can see you not believing ATPG, but do you have some evidence of Ichigo's innocence? You seem to be trying quite hard to save him, or at least take ATPG down with him.

I don't really care about Ichigo:shrug: I am not trying to save him...:smash:

If the kills keep up and ATPG is lying, we only have 11 people left at a rate of 2 kills per night=
We only have three lynchs left if it stays at 2 kills (which I think is a high possibility but after posting this I just rendered that useless or at best WIFOM:juggle2:)

Ichigo is gone, I don't care but don't forget ATPG's behavior up to this point....that is all I ask:smash: