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I don't think anyone in their right minds would pick ATPG or Sasaki as a henchman. Despite them being great players, they are lynched early game far too often. However, that doesn't mean they aren't mafia, as one may very well be the head vampire. But that's also not likely based off of the 1/50 chance for either of them to be the head guy.
Assuming there are 50 players in the game, anyway.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I've made a post count since Day 1. Only two players have 0 post, slashandburn and Csargo, and we lynched Csargo yesterday. Should we be suspicious of slashandburn for not being active? Or did he mention that he would be out for a while?
vote: slashandburn
We'll see what happens.
Btw, highest post counts are: The Stranger, Sasaki and ATPG. I could write the whole rankings, but I don't think this is any good yet.
Whats up with all this WIFOM from Pizza, Beskar and Sasaki... it is only going to confuse the town :whip:
If i were to pick 2 henchemen, i would have gone for
1. Someone who could take care of themselves if pressured - Sasaki, Pizza or Tincow
2. Someone who has staying power - Jooray, pever, Beefy etc.
Pizza used that term yesterday too. Would someone care to explain what staying power is? I got a clue, but I'd like to hear a full explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
I would have been tempted to pick Romanic too, because he played well in the mini, and is new to the site. But not many people watched that game.
Are you saying this to judge what my reaction will be? :grin3:
Would you have picked yourself to be mafia?
slash always lurks and is one of the more common WoG's btw.
I'm offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
Unvote, vote: Double A
Especially since you think voting for you is fair.
Whaaaaaat? You're the first to admit the town keeps you around about as long as they do revealed mafia if you aren't proven town. Or if you're mafia.
I'm not usually lynched that early unless I have an investigation result on me. It happens but not nearly as much as being investigated, blocked, or recruited, or even killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
Your argument seems off to me.
Do you mean, if I was the Ancient One, or if I was Andres?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
If I was the Ancient One, I think I would have picked at least one experienced regular guy, maybe even two, so it's probable that I would not have picked me. I would not pick a new guy because I am a new guy and I need guidance to play as mafia. But I guess if I was an experienced guy, it could make sense to pick me with another good player.
Btw, I thought you were being sarcastic about how I played in that mini game. I lost, killed atheotes after the lyncher requested it, and I gave the twinkies to split after he told me it was his VC. I consider this game was a total blunder.
Ok, then. unvote: slashandburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I'm going to Vote: Askthepizzaguy if he still wants to go ahead with it and the naib thinks it's a good idea. This may also be my last action for a week or so as I'm off on holiday and don't know if I'll have any internet access. Give me a few days to see if I can get online before Wogging, lynching, vig killing, replacing or mafia killing me please. :sweatdrop:
Nah, only 34 that time. 5 people are dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Nah, you just didn't know what a lyncher was and the twinkie thing was a bit cruel on my part :beam:
Why, because I actually made one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
And ok, it has gotten better, but it just seems like for 3 games straight that happened a few months back.
I did know what the lyncher was. I found a description for that role on epicmafia, but the description said he had to lynch the annoying townie, and I couldn't see who else but me would fit that description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Someone with staying power is someone that often makes it to end game because they seem to go slightly under the rader. They are rarely investigated or nightkilled because no one really thinks of them instead they go for people like atpg and saskai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
As for mafia if I had being the ancient one I would most likely pick one experianced person along the lines of pever or beefy and maybe a newcomer from civfantatics like Nicklas to go under the rader.
I would pick players I'd want to be on a mafia team with. That's the important thing; strategy is secondary.
unvote, vote Niklas
Too quiet for someone as dangerous as you. :bow: Plus, you had the obviously-right answer about Autolycus right at the tip of your tongue, suggesting you'd thought at least a little about the game, but followed that up by seeming confused about the setup. And, like apparently everyone else who did think Autolycus was an obvious kill (Pizza, Sasaki, others?), you didn't see fit to mention it to Secura.
ah still sooooooo worth it.Quote:
That was Centurion gets for his sidling. As for Chaotix, he was being annoying with his role PM stuff.
that being said..... darnit! i keep dying. i havent been mafia for a long time
Hmm, I even forgot that the Naib could protect. But Renata, auto was not an obvious kill. Just not a surprising one. I have killed people who were going to replace out before. Often they are trusted not to be mafia.
Your Niklas argument is good although I have not read the posts.
Not posts, this was a chat from a couple of days ago.
Sasaki, ATPG, why TinCow exactly? I'm pretty tired at the moment, so I might have missed an explanation, sorry if that's the case. Also, I don't buy the ATPG "plz vote me" plea. You were very annoyed in the Star Wars game because Sasaki called for you to sacrifice yourself and *now* you offer to do it? Why the change of heart? You must have known that the town would be divided about voting for you and that you'd survive your "self sacrifice". Later on, as you pointed out, you can just claim this as proof of your devotion to the town cause. :inquisitive:
Finally, to answer Sasaki's question. I'm not sure exactly who I would pick, but my first criteria would be choosing someone who is not mafia often, to give them a chance to play as mafia and my second criteria would be to pick someone who is not associated with me. It also gives me the opportunity to know that person better.
Major differences. In the Sith game there was a possibility of investigators clearing me and forcing a mafia hit. I didn't even know I was Sith susceptible, you're not told that. Second, and no offense to Andres, I was really looking foward to that game because it had lightsabers and Sith in it. I was also having fun roleplaying as an HK-47 and all the wifom associated with it. Third, I was a Jedi Knight not some random wannabe initiate. I had no powers and didn't know if I'd ever have any, but being a Jedi Knight is much better than being random, role-less townie. I also had a nifty blue lightsaber.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
Then, I was annoyed that Sasaki asking me if I would do it was seen as less scummy than me actually doing it. And when I became snippy and uncooperative, you guys took it as evidence of guilt, when it was evidence of "see? dont care if I die". Then I started intentionally being an ass, just to make sure I wound up dead, in a moment of frustration where, frankly, I stopped caring. Then I realized how selfish I was being, but it was too late. I basically resigned from the game at that point, to stop being a distraction. When Beskar saved my butt from the incinerator, I tried to make up for it later on with some analysis, some of which landed square on Subotan until we got distracted by Centurion1.
Lesson to all townies: Get WOGed next time. Don't act like a panicked mafioso when you're town.
Uh where was I.
Here, 2 deaths will also prove me innocent. At the time, in the Sith game, it wasnt known if Sith were revealed upon death, and we didn't know if the kills would drop. Here it is a totally different ball game.
Finally, I've survived to the end in the past several large games, with paranoia crawling up my butt and a sure backlash coming. I don't want to blow the whole game on a round 9 "gotta lynch Pizza" waste lynch. I'm also one of those "probably recruited slave" candidates and I will never shake that this game, I know it.
Aaand Good morning from Saharan news! Tonight was again a bloody night for our peace loving community.
Centurion1 was found dead. Clubbed to death, while being decapitated. Some irresponsible souls might say that the death of Centurion1 could have possibly been somewhat remotely similar to Yaropolks another day a go, but our experts have found clear evidence that indicates that indeed the two murders had no connection what so ever. What made the case clear for us was that it was reported that not was Centurion1 only hidden 6 precious silver daggers in his garments. He had the audacity to carry a silver chainmail with him before tonights events. To us this is clear indication that Centurion1 was indeed a burglar and that he was righteously put out from his miseries, by the owner who had caught the thief after furious chase. Saharan news will interview the public hero that made this grand service to our society, once we will know the identity of the individual. If you are listening now.Please pick of the phone and tell our audience. What really happened last night.
Another individual was also found dead. Mr. Chaotix. His propable cause of death was elitism combined with deadly doze of sentimentalism, cursing , complaining and feeling self-pity. No wonder! Who could survive such a coctail?
After our esteemed Naib, Secura called for another lynch. Some voting has taken place.Here is the situation right now:
The Stranger 1, (Tincow)
Double A 2,(GH,ATPG)
ATPG 1, (Johnhughthom)
TinCow 1, (Sasaki Kojiro)
Beskar 2, (Beefy187,Beskar)
Niklas 1,(Renata)
It would seem that Double A and Beskar are leading the tight race. If either of you would like to comment to our audience about your chances of winning this vote.Please do so.
Yesterday also marked the start of our new competition, namely: Who´s next. A nightly competition that has awesome prizes for those who can predict the next winner of the lynch vote. So far we only have two players for today:
mr. Choxorn predicted that jolt would be the next winner, but so far his changes to win our fabulous prizes look bit on the dim side.
The other contestant was the always so lovely, Mrs. Renata. She predicted that she herself might gain some support from the public during the day, while Niklas would be the final winner. As we look at our most sophisticated voting chart. Mrs. Renata might have a winning chance today.
Other then this. We are proud to announce that our very own man of the news, Kage Ali Musha gained some temporary support in the voting of this morning, but lost the confidence of ATPG at some point, while ATPG´s only comment was:
"Kagemusha is right up there among the players who play ballsy.I agreed because mine are made of platinum, but he proposed it because his are made of titanium. "
Our experts are worried that indeed ATPG is suggesting having yeat another scandalous affair and this time with the star reporter and coffee maker of Saharan news, Mr.Musha. Is there any end to his everlasting fenzy to breed with anything and everything that walks on two legs? Our question to mr.ATPG is: Maybe third time is the charm? We were unable to reach Kage as he was sent out on important mission of counting average numbers of sand grains in the mediterranian coast dunes, but we are sure to get comment out from him during later point of time.
And this was all from Saharan News for the morning. We will keep monitoring the situation as it becomes more evident.Whom will be the lucky lynchee of today and if one of our competitors will be winning any of our fabulous prizes!
Good morning and Good Bless!
"Lesson to all townies: Get WOGed next time. Don't act like a panicked mafioso when you're town."
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On the other hand, I don't think you're a prolly recruited slave (which got your vote on me by the way, make up your gosh-durned mind!).
I have a feeling that Beskar is probably mafia.
I made 4 posts while living this whole game (Note: there were 15 pages before I died), and Beskar managed to pick them out and cite them as "annoying", despite the fact that he did not respond to them beforehand. Also, they weren't annoying.
I've got no evidence and no real case, but... I've just got a gut feeling on him this time around.
Oh, there's also that investigation result...
Wait, what investigation result?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
His imaginary one.
That's the best kind because sometimes they catch mafia and you don't have to expose a real investigator in the process.
Vote: Beskar
Plead for your life well enough, and I'll vote for Niklas instead. I want to see what Kage can actually offer.
In case we do not receive your formal and official apology (which will have to contain the words "I bow humbly for you, master, and beg thee to accept an apology from me, your servant and insignifcant maggot") within this phase, sanctions will be applied. These sanctions involve Henchman 2 (Sasaki Kojiro), taking your life during the night phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Vote: Sasaki
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....if I die, more time to place my effort elsewhere, instead of listening to you imitate the Hindenburg - full of hot air and bound to crash and burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Since it seems you cannot plead for your life, having had the epiphany that to do so would be to spend more then your life is worth, my vote stays where it is.
Let's see how you plead for you life.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
vote: YLC
I like this kidQuote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
i wouldve chosen myself!! im awesomely good at this game... no one just dares to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
i didnt think i'd ever say this, because quite frankly i didnt even know she existed untill quite recently, but i have to agree with renata. ATPG is too happy about getting lynched, and it might be somekinda trap, i can think of a few options.
1) he is sincere and thinks he actually will help the mafia to a win when left alive for too long
2) he is lying about 1) and something in his role says that his death will benefit his winning chances and a) this is positive for the town or b) it is negative for the town.
3) he is the ancient one, and seeing how the ancient one is immune to lynch, he just wants us to lynch him so that the town wastes a precious lynch vote in a crucial stage of the game.
4) he is playing high stakes and gambles to win, so that later he can fall back to this event and say, see, i wanted to die then but noone did anything...
i don't know now... but i think we should call his bet and oblige him for his request to be lynched.
unvote: vote: ATPG
which would be what everyone is expecting and therefore a real mafiaking would do the opposite and go with the bigshots...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
1) Yes.
2) I wouldn't lie if my death was positive for the town. I'd be like "Lynch me and here's why:" like I am doing now.
3) Proving myself to be the ancient one this early, when there's still vig kills left, and I have no idea when my henchmen will die, is advantageous how? ....Just wondering.
4) Because then I will have titanium cojones. :sombrero:
Sounds like someone just broke THE DEAL. :stare:Quote:
i don't know now... but i think we should call his bet and oblige him for his request to be lynched.
I'll never sign an alliance with you again EVER!
:laugh4: i totally forgot about that... well sounds like your mother didnt teach u never to trust strangers with bad memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
for all the people wondering what deal it was, ATPG proposed a mutual nonvotingforeachother agreement.
Yeah and earlier today you accused ME of breaking the deal, and I was like.... WHERE????Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
And you were like, oh yeah...... *facepalm*
Are you sure your brain is plugged in today? :clown:
pizza pizza... read ur pms.. i never said yes to the deal... you are delusional. and i got you.
such agreements are scummy. and i dont want to be involved in scummy activities. you however... really dont want people to vote for you, atleast it appears to be so behind the scenes, with how many people have you made a similar agreement???
Vote: ATPG
Random returning fire in the dark after someone tried to shoot me in the dark.
So how could you accuse me of breaking a deal you never agreed to, then? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
It matters not. Start hunting for some mafia, lazy buns! :whip: Less chatty, more accusey!
@ Jolt-
OW! I am mortally wounded. The horror, the horror.
I didn't seek you out, you're the one that offered. I figured what the heck, someone doesn't want to vote for me. Cheers. Everyone who made a similar agreement can step forward now. That will be absolutely zero people. You're the crazy one cutting scummy deals that you later say people broke when they didn't. :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
As for really don't want people to vote for me, you're right.... you called my bluff and I was bluffing. I am a slave and I kill people for fun and profit. But I warn you, if you strike me down I shall become more powerful than.... than....
*graps handful of sand*
THIS SAND!!! RIGHT HERE!!!
Oh how the sun keeps my skull warm.... oooooh.... pretty colors.
Its better to give pizza less credibility by keeping him alive.
I don't think he is the ancient. If he is a henchmen, and if we give him too much power by lynching him now... we'll be stuffed.
He doesnt gain credibility by being lynched.
:beam:
Unvote: Saskai, Vote: Beefy
I have to ask something; why are people posting things along the lines of "if I was the Ancient, I'd have picked..."?
It's like when O.J Simpson wrote a book about the way in which he would have killed his wife and her lover had he been guilty, entitled "If I Did It". xD
What pever said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Each slave has one murder power. One of them dies, the mafia is down by one murder, and that's forced.
Rulez :whip:
Wait, the mafia get more power by killing one of their doodz? :inquisitive:
How'd you get to that conclusion DA.
I didn't mean extra ability. What I meant was you dominating the town effort and discussions by getting lynched now... When the terms is good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
This is too risky for the Ancient to do. but if your one of the slaves, its beneficial for the mafia team to have someone inside the town trust circle.
You're assuming the mafia will be able to continue with two kills once one of the slaves is dead. Else we'd know for sure Pizza was innocent right away when the kills failed to drop -- there's no margin whatsoever in the mafia dropping to one kill voluntarily this early in the game, just to neutralize Pizza.
If you think you know that the mafia will continue with two kills once one slave is dead, I'd be interested in knowing where you learned that.
Hence Pizza's suggestion to lynch him sooner rather than later. :3
More people need to start voting, by the way... alot of non-voters last round, not good enough!
Sasaki asked us to play that game. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I was under the impression that Andres is using the God Father mechanics. Which means, two kills at all times. When two grunts dies, God Father gets to kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
unvote, vote: Niklas
Do something or die in my place.
I am reading and following, so yes I think about the game, I just haven't had much to post about thus far. But I will be more active. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I had the right answer about Autolycus, but it was still a hindsight answer. It didn't occur to me before he was killed, hence I had nothing to tell Secura in advance.
vote: Sasaki for trying to be too much like Sasaki.
Sure, if we pressure you. :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niklas
Hmm interesting. You think they would go with the obvious obvious choice then?Quote:
vote: Sasaki for trying to be too much like Sasaki.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Not even a reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
Me too, I was under the impression that if one slave died, the Ancient can't do a night kill. So then wouldn't there only be one kill if there is one slave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
obliging your death wish...as you say, it would be a distraction later.
Unvote, vote: TheFlaxQuote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
I love the enthusiasm and interest, but in a large game this is very out of character for you to be watching the game so intently for so long. Usually you're "lost".
A vote with no reason is arguably preferable to no vote at all.
Sasaki (1): Niklas
Niklas (1): Renata
Beefy (1): pever
Pizza (4): Jolt, TS, Ibn, atheotes
YLC (1): Romanichine
Beskar (3): YLC, Beskar, Beefy
TinCow (1): Sasaki
Double A (1): General Hankerchief
The Stranger (1): TinCow
TheFlax (1): Pizza
Not voting: lots, including TheFlax
(edited to account for cross-post)
What? The setting has nothing to do with whether or not there is a role that kills everyone when lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
So? All that means in that there is a chance of there being a joker, or did I miss a post explicitly saying it wasnt a joker?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
:yes: Here is a quote from Flax, that can be seen in my profile pageQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Quote:
I'm horrible in large games, I simply cannot find the will to post only to be drowned by a sea of other people.
I don't want to indulge Pizza yet by voting for him right now. :wink: The reasoning against Niklas seems better than some of the other arguments I've read.
Vote: Niklas
I think that's specifically NOT in the rules:Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
my bolding. So IF pizza is a slave (I don't think he is - he talks more like a townie this game, IMO), murders should reduce to 1 per night upon his lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules
This game's been a bit quieter than most large ones, thus far.
Maybe it's because there are only three mafia to start with (Ancient + 2 slaves) so there isn't a lot of plotting going on behind the scenes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Doesn't TinCow norally post more?
Fos: TinCow
Let's have a game where we don't have to deal with ATPG's constant self-vote defense.
Unvote; Vote: ATPG
I like it like this. I can easily keep up on this one.
It's mostly-vanilla; that seems to set some people flailing. (Though not me. :clown: )
I get suspicious of low-poster/lurkers, having been in games where they spring up suddenly at end-game and win. slashandburn is low on the list of posters. Is he one of the "RL takes me away" guys? Until I know:
vote: slashandburn
Slash is constantly WOG'ed. Almost every single game this year I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
If he doesn't get WOG'ed then he's mafia.
OK then, I'll leave him for WOG-bait. Thanks for the tip. So, moving up the list of quiet ones:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
unvote: slashandburn, vote: White_Eyes:D
given that he's such wogbait he also makes a poor contender for being a henchman, and Andres would probably avoid him like the plague before making him the godfather.
Maybe he wont get more than 400 posts as well. I'll do my part to limit his post count.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Unvote: beefy, Vote: ATPG
Oh no my friend. Once I'm proved innocent you'll NEVER shut me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Vote: pevergreen a real possibility to have been picked for the "slave" role.