ah yes the lock i do it in literally every game except this one because i can't be arsed to delete the numbers from in front of people's names in the playerlistQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
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ah yes the lock i do it in literally every game except this one because i can't be arsed to delete the numbers from in front of people's names in the playerlistQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
oh im tired it said respectivelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
also talk about the unvote
monty what was your impression of where the wagons were when you unvoted? had you been planning to unvote when you voted initially?
@Cuthillius
Remember the failure of Mass Effect? D4 we Tdome, I'm ousted, you're NKed, Visor MLed LYLO. Check yourself.
Winston's power level is even higher than Zack's, he routinely gets killed early as town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
Why go after sorc? Sorc is more likely to get town killed than scum, and is less efficient than a plain vig. Moreover, waiting until D2 allows for rolefishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
@WAGONOMICSQuote:
i also dont understand why winston stopped pushing me because he hated everything about everything i wrote and suddenyl was on ladd eod :P
It's so strange that when I did this (D1 unvote killing scum) as town, which I surely always am, I was almost consensus cleared for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
Setting up D4.Quote:
Originally Posted by katze
The only thing against me is the Newcomb flub, which while bad does not change the reality of prior interactions with known scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
So the immediate point about this list is that from a scum-Katze POV:Quote:
Originally Posted by katze
D3: Mont
D4: Cape
D5: Cuth
D6: Dobby
is pretty much necessary. Although if neither katze nor none of those options are scum themselves then any scum would have to follow the same path, substituting katze for Cuth.
What I'm saying is that the POE is kind of rigid from almost any theory of the game.
I agree this is not a great look especially given the consistent pattern of distancing day 1 among the flipped scum. very soft touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
legit i couldnt find a single town game u did it in in my sample lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
that's hilarious but also i just clicked three town games from before we played for each of these games:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
here's me talking about it in another game
and also there were several offsite
i feel like this might be a sample size issue lmao
allow me to tell you about the hours of meta research i did on cuth's scumgame now that i've outedQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
*i clicked 3 and 2/3 had it and i clicked around a bit more after
didn't actually play that many games on mu in general but
"katze and dobby voted NC and Rask, respectively, "Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
y no1 red my poasts
A very interesting opinion.Quote:
also benneh is never in f3, neither will cape :P
I think I posted about this in one of my two posts of minutes ago, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
I thought I was voting to tie ladd 3-3-3. I saw right at the bell ladd was in the lead with Rask's vote and Sleep's switch back to NC.
How were scum interacting w/ each other vs. w/ flipped townies vs. w/ me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
Think about it.
Reposting.Quote:
What can I say, Zack and Sunbae had a great game. Cuth or katze are good candidates for final scum. But Cuth might be spewed town by Ender spending most of EOD whining that Cuth wouldn't sheep his case on NC even though Cuth TLed him, unless you think that's part of the same sort of theater as Ender-ladd. Anyone remember that? Just reread EOD1.
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Originally Posted by katze
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What I think happened now - my theory for EOD1 - is that 2 scum were AFK, Ender was present almost flailing with his vote parked on Newcomb throughout, and katze was in there without much thread presence finally dropping a vote onto Newcomb 1 minute out.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
It could be Sleep or Dobby too playing a similar role with votes on NC and Rask respectively, but I doubt it, and that's up for others to sort since this game looks more like my Mass Effect a year ago without the super-deep mafia.
Vote: Katze
She has too been posting like SOD3 threw her for a loop.
My final answer is katze; I shan't afford another. ggwp
Unfortunately I can't go beyond myself without breaking the game.
yeah it was 100% just bad sampling because i cba to dig thru all the turbos to find the long gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
so monty to be clear
you thought you were tying it both when you initially voted and when you unvoted then?
were you planning to unvote at all before it happened?
ripQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
i'm still
i should so not have won that game
If I was unvoting to get the tie, presumably I wasn't planning to unvote when I thought I was setting the tie. I just have a reticence toward making the wrong wagon pick in raw CFDs so ties are safer. Disconcerting that you and HK don't remember this from my meta, since it has been a subject of conversation before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
i have to say this catchup has been unexpectedly hilarious and delightfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
yeah eh i mean a sub in f3, what can you do? just super messed up the gamestateQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
i recovered like 2 days later because i got to replace into a game, draw a mafia slot, and hammer town!nacho
sleep voted ladd at least 20 seconds before you voted though and switched right before you postedQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
did you see his post before you voted or did you think you were the fourth vote lol
oh brilliant i'm glad to hearQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
i was a wreck afterwards
it's a cute tiger
honestly same lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
I don't think we've played enough games for me to have an understanding of what you'd do from a meta perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
That being said, ties are resolved at Random, which seems less than good when you're trying to understand who wanted which wagons and how the run up to EOD(X) goes. I wouldn't play for purposeful random on any day unless there was something that personally benefited me to do so, so when you say you wanted to set the tie and you had cold feet about being on the wrong wagon I want to believe you, I just can't put myself into that kind of mindset.
I think I may believe you more if you'd cast another vote instead of just trying to unvote as at least you'd be on the record of wanting somebody dead whereas if your unvote had been successful probably we're still having this conversation, only instead of saying "unvote post chop is sus" it's "unvote and not taking a position when there are multiple options to choose from is sus"
Why specifically 20 seconds? I recall reacting to the flurry of voting immediately following this tally. I made my decision to tie-vote and went to upload the reaction image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
The point being is that I don't necessarily want to provide the decisive vote onto anyone if I wind up wrong (remember this is information voting from my end; it's different when pursuing a hard case.)Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
It's not a strategy, just psychology.
EOD-2Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Rask > Sunbae
Neb > Rask (3)
katze > NC (3)
If katze was scum, she was voting to put NC in the lead past Csargo, HK, Sleep, Rask, and ladd. (Neb voted simultaneously onto Rask, so in theory we could say the same about his vote.)
Sleep > ladd (3)
dobby > Rask (4)
Sleep > NC (3)
Sleep as scum would be reacting very cannily to the immediate VC here. Either way, he was probably following the VC to the dot.
Mont > ladd (3)
Rask > ladd (4)
Simultaneous.
Out of all these people katze has the worst associatives. Only one can be scum.
There is my theory. Take it today or take it tomorrow.
ty i was searching through the default avatars and it reminded me of a friends avatarQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
anyway for actual game related business:
potentially dumb read alert: i kind of feel like cape has almost been too wrong to be mafia, and...i don't really get what the mafia were doing if they ere, like, distancing from each other day 1 but HARD SHIELDING cape, because, like, no offense but he has the last forum mafia experience of anyone here? don't get me wrong, he's a sharp kid, no slouch at all, but like, do they realistically expect him to endgame in this playerlist? probably not, so like, are they really going to spend day 1 trying to powerwolf for him? kinda doubt it, feels in my gut like bog standard white knighting now (i am pretty sure i have scumread cape in every single non-turbo game i have played with him. i was right once! but honestly he was worse that game than he's been here and his WIM sank like a stone despite the fact that his team was winning)
ok that'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
weird
but alright
20 seconds because there's the post cooldown and he voted and then voted someone else within that window before you posted
i imagine the game went down the chute once ladd actually died thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
Yeah, again I can't wrap my head around that. I'd rather be decisively wrong and own it than leave things up to chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
All voting is "information voting" unless you've got a red check on someone so yeah.
I do believe you believe what you're saying though
K I’ve sorted it out
were gonna yeet Monty today and he’ll flip v
im gonna die and you’re gonna lunch cuth to win the game
Read cuth and ender at eod. Read cuths position as a wagon during that discussion. Wolves thought he was going over. Ender found reasons to suspect cuth while sticking around trying to lunch newcomb and build that wagon as a counter. He then weakly clears cuth for a boring post. Props to Monty for deducing that post meant nothing
ladd goes from a 5th option that cuth wouldn’t kill to a 2nd vote on Ladd when it seems the wagons are going to tip back to cuth or cfd onto newc, rask, or some other lhf. Worst case cuth lands on Ladd in a 4 way rand.
ladd literally catches fire with votes from sleep and Monty with literally no time on the clock. Theres no time to react and no real way this could have been predicted. But why would cuth go against his word when other wagons he WOULD lunch and DOES wolf read more than Ladd ? Why does ender clear cuth over a NAI post? Cuth wagon disintegrates at that point and ender needs a way to decommit from voting there if newc doesn’t catch on.
I’ll bet my entire deck mafia card collection on this. Cuth is mafia
No one else is mafia
except monty
and kat
and cape
and dobby
but no one else
counterpoint: i was never going over thereQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
tbh you should be turboed in the unlikely event Monty doesn't flip wolf (because I go afk for 24h and you are setting me up for next day lol. u know even if you pretend to not seeing it, people read the thread and have witnessed the action. tinfoiling a slots for raisins won't do any good here. #forSunbae)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
@hollowkatt: re Winston might have been a read list: remember this post from EOD1 where he said "Ladd/Newcomb/Montmorency were all good targets"? I do