Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Cape90]

Vote: Montmorency

I hope this is just correct

[hollowkatt]

my two biggest supporters have turned on me

sadge

vote: monte

Iluffu

[hollowkatt]

alright here's where I'm at, final edition:

monte has a lot of really bad associatives, should be chopped just because

katze is katze and has been much more lulz today than previous days and kinda it makes me remember a hydra game, if monte doesn't flip wolf katze should go

cape has both good and bad posts, more good than bad tbh

cuth... I can squint and see cuth as a wolf but probably he needs to not die before katze does.

everyone else I expect to be the NK

[Cuthillius]

alright here's where I'm at, final edition:

monte has a lot of really bad associatives, should be chopped just because

katze is katze and has been much more lulz today than previous days and kinda it makes me remember a hydra game, if monte doesn't flip wolf katze should go

cape has both good and bad posts, more good than bad tbh

cuth... I can squint and see cuth as a wolf but probably he needs to not die before katze does.

everyone else I expect to be the NK

squinting only helps when you have worse eyesight than you evidently do i think

[katze]

anyway i'm gonna try to explain my mindset rn because i think the misunderstandings are coming from me being lazy more than anything and being misunderstood is a bit of a peeve of mine so i should stop not doing myself any favors:

i think this game is still easy; i don't really feel obligated to... try that hard to win it? like, i feel pretty good about it just being in monty or cape. if it's not there, i expect to get executed, and i might fight that a bit if it comes to it because i'm a stubborn bastard but i've already basically accepted it.


Alive: (9/17)
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

five clears still wins the game. i've been kinda solving as if i'd be one of them because i'm a villager but i get it. i'll be grumpy about it but i get it. five clears outside of myself should still be pretty easy anyway

my first clear is still raskol. i mean the lazy raeson is "lol if they're w/w with monstr" but also like, i still think they're way townier than the time i've seen them wolf (yes the situations are different, i still think the difference is quite massive), they're pretty unassociated with ladd as well... it's still lazy but i'm still confident it's correct

scond clear would still be benneh - this one is a lot less concrete in terms of "well they're obviously not w/w with the flipped wolves" - although i do think ladd treated benneh/zack p much identically and given zack flipped V he was prob just trying to pocket them both - i think benneh is just really villagery this game lmao. i was a bit paranoid towards EoD1 cause it felt like we were a bit too on the same page at times so when he just stoppd posting and kinda just sheeped me i thought it might just be deliberate, but ehhh. i've talked myself out of that and think from my experience with him he's kinda just a villager. yes this is mostly turbo/mash experience, shut up. newcomb flipping V only really reinforces this because in my experience it's way fucking harder to mindmeld with a villager about another villager than a villager about a wolf. also newcomb felt really strongly about it too :wowee:

third is cuth, and i really do not understand why people are trying to throw that name back out? i was tempted to put him above benneh simply because i think they're both villagers anyway and if they're both villagers then the order doesn't matter so me putting him higher would make people feel dumber if they went against the word of everybody, but i mean. i am technically more confident in the above two

anyway uh. again, the easy answer is "cuths EoD1 is just flat out terrible play if he's mafia ngl" but also like... there's a level of. i don't know the right word. i kinda just... feel like they're the same as they were in SF2 on like d3 onwards? the slightly-deflated-because-wrong cuth? idk. i just get about the same vibes. if the above two reads are a 10/10 in confidence this one is like a 9.5/10 still

number four... it gets a bit harder, i can't really pick one or the other so i'll just say both sleep and hollowkatt --

sleep because i'm pretty sure every player on D1 who asked about "who is sleep" has since then flipped mafia which probably just spews him V right there and now that i type this out why is this below cuth? i guess he did try to clear ender off of ladds flip? sure we'll go with that. anyway sleep is the player in this game that i read their posts and i kinda just naturally feel inclined to townread them. most games have one of these players, in my experience they're almost always villagers that i talk myself out of townreading out of paranoia at some point. i think the early cape case was still a genuine attempt to solve (note for the future: if the game is hard go double check who was under pressure around the time it got posted, i don't remember) and one of those posts that a wolf just doesn't write in most worlds

i guess there's still a little bit of paranoia here, because i feel like both of their EoDs weren't especially clearing off of memory, but i still think they're really fucking villagery and criticizing someone for being wrong on newcomb after *glances in a mirror* is kinda joycat of me

and then HK is. well, okay, i'll fully admit the fact he was basically shielding me earlier was a part of it, so the fact that changed saddens me and may have lowered him a bit subconsciously, but i think the dude's still just a villager off of posting alone. pretty sure he has some D1 posts that have aged like wine wrt "interactions with wolves" but i'm not opening an iso for a thoughtdump post that ruins the point of it

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so like, i'm pretty happy with those 5

my thoughts beyond those 5 are like

well, i'm me, i'm town. hi me.

dobby has been pretty hard shielded by people i think are town and i'm not 100% sold on it personally but it kinda feels right, so i think you're probably town

and it leaves monty and cape, both people who like

i thought monty was villagery late D1. i recognize the reasons as not being great. but they existed. i recognize that the dead villagers have been significantly more anti-monty than they have been anti-cape. they haven't really been favorable towards either, tho

...i mean tbh if majority was enabled id have exactly zero problem killing either one first and then the other if it that doesn't end it but i want this game to be over or for me to die so i can do what i truly want to do and stop actually putting effort into this game. because i think it's solved. i don't think more effort is necessary. but i feel obligated to exist in thread because i agreed to play it, so here i am.

i'm not particularly happy with my play this game, and me slam dunking on the last wolf wouldn't change that either, so. i'd feel worse off if i were misclearing a wolf, i don't think i'd feel worse off if i got MLed because i frankly deserve it and have deservd it in multiple of my past towngames anyway

so... yeah. i deviated a lot from why i originally wrote this post but i'm pretty sure the intent is in there somewhere and if not then joycat

[Dobby]

alright here's where I'm at, final edition:

monte has a lot of really bad associatives, should be chopped just because

katze is katze and has been much more lulz today than previous days and kinda it makes me remember a hydra game, if monte doesn't flip wolf katze should go

cape has both good and bad posts, more good than bad tbh

cuth... I can squint and see cuth as a wolf but probably he needs to not die before katze does.

everyone else I expect to be the NK

cuth is always in f3 and theres nothing any of us can do about that

[hollowkatt]

squinting only helps when you have worse eyesight than you evidently do i think

to be fair my eyesight is pretty bad. not coke bottle bad but definitely "my contacts fell out while I was driving and I'm glad nobody died while I was getting off of the road" bad

[hollowkatt]

cuth is always in f3 and theres nothing any of us can do about that

watch cuth be the NK

[katze]

the three quotes? ait








like im looking through your posts and i dont see why gut over someones style of writing would weigh in heavier than all that *gestures wildly*



do you think cape has had this tonal thing, "Fake" posts since earlier in the game or something that just happened? that's part of my issue with this

ive struggled to find reasons to townread cape basically all game but have been giving him extra time because i think i have more exp with cape than anyone else here

but nothing has done it for me, and his posting today has honestly felt more half assed than any other phase imo

alright here's where I'm at, final edition:

monte has a lot of really bad associatives, should be chopped just because

katze is katze and has been much more lulz today than previous days and kinda it makes me remember a hydra game, if monte doesn't flip wolf katze should go

cape has both good and bad posts, more good than bad tbh

cuth... I can squint and see cuth as a wolf but probably he needs to not die before katze does.

everyone else I expect to be the NK

im more lulz today because i think the game is solved already so i'd rather have a bit of fun in thread rather than stress out to come to the same conclusions i've already had?

like i get the read but i was basically lolcatting all of that hydra game not just d2

[katze]

cuth is always in f3 and theres nothing any of us can do about that

oh no

not cuth in f3

[hollowkatt]

katze is back to lock town again soz for concerning you

[Dobby]

anyway i'm gonna try to explain my mindset rn because i think the misunderstandings are coming from me being lazy more than anything and being misunderstood is a bit of a peeve of mine so i should stop not doing myself any favors:

i think this game is still easy; i don't really feel obligated to... try that hard to win it? like, i feel pretty good about it just being in monty or cape. if it's not there, i expect to get executed, and i might fight that a bit if it comes to it because i'm a stubborn bastard but i've already basically accepted it.


Alive: (9/17)
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

five clears still wins the game. i've been kinda solving as if i'd be one of them because i'm a villager but i get it. i'll be grumpy about it but i get it. five clears outside of myself should still be pretty easy anyway

my first clear is still raskol. i mean the lazy raeson is "lol if they're w/w with monstr" but also like, i still think they're way townier than the time i've seen them wolf (yes the situations are different, i still think the difference is quite massive), they're pretty unassociated with ladd as well... it's still lazy but i'm still confident it's correct

scond clear would still be benneh - this one is a lot less concrete in terms of "well they're obviously not w/w with the flipped wolves" - although i do think ladd treated benneh/zack p much identically and given zack flipped V he was prob just trying to pocket them both - i think benneh is just really villagery this game lmao. i was a bit paranoid towards EoD1 cause it felt like we were a bit too on the same page at times so when he just stoppd posting and kinda just sheeped me i thought it might just be deliberate, but ehhh. i've talked myself out of that and think from my experience with him he's kinda just a villager. yes this is mostly turbo/mash experience, shut up. newcomb flipping V only really reinforces this because in my experience it's way fucking harder to mindmeld with a villager about another villager than a villager about a wolf. also newcomb felt really strongly about it too :wowee:

third is cuth, and i really do not understand why people are trying to throw that name back out? i was tempted to put him above benneh simply because i think they're both villagers anyway and if they're both villagers then the order doesn't matter so me putting him higher would make people feel dumber if they went against the word of everybody, but i mean. i am technically more confident in the above two

anyway uh. again, the easy answer is "cuths EoD1 is just flat out terrible play if he's mafia ngl" but also like... there's a level of. i don't know the right word. i kinda just... feel like they're the same as they were in SF2 on like d3 onwards? the slightly-deflated-because-wrong cuth? idk. i just get about the same vibes. if the above two reads are a 10/10 in confidence this one is like a 9.5/10 still

number four... it gets a bit harder, i can't really pick one or the other so i'll just say both sleep and hollowkatt --

sleep because i'm pretty sure every player on D1 who asked about "who is sleep" has since then flipped mafia which probably just spews him V right there and now that i type this out why is this below cuth? i guess he did try to clear ender off of ladds flip? sure we'll go with that. anyway sleep is the player in this game that i read their posts and i kinda just naturally feel inclined to townread them. most games have one of these players, in my experience they're almost always villagers that i talk myself out of townreading out of paranoia at some point. i think the early cape case was still a genuine attempt to solve (note for the future: if the game is hard go double check who was under pressure around the time it got posted, i don't remember) and one of those posts that a wolf just doesn't write in most worlds

i guess there's still a little bit of paranoia here, because i feel like both of their EoDs weren't especially clearing off of memory, but i still think they're really fucking villagery and criticizing someone for being wrong on newcomb after *glances in a mirror* is kinda joycat of me

and then HK is. well, okay, i'll fully admit the fact he was basically shielding me earlier was a part of it, so the fact that changed saddens me and may have lowered him a bit subconsciously, but i think the dude's still just a villager off of posting alone. pretty sure he has some D1 posts that have aged like wine wrt "interactions with wolves" but i'm not opening an iso for a thoughtdump post that ruins the point of it

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so like, i'm pretty happy with those 5

my thoughts beyond those 5 are like

well, i'm me, i'm town. hi me.

dobby has been pretty hard shielded by people i think are town and i'm not 100% sold on it personally but it kinda feels right, so i think you're probably town

and it leaves monty and cape, both people who like

i thought monty was villagery late D1. i recognize the reasons as not being great. but they existed. i recognize that the dead villagers have been significantly more anti-monty than they have been anti-cape. they haven't really been favorable towards either, tho

...i mean tbh if majority was enabled id have exactly zero problem killing either one first and then the other if it that doesn't end it but i want this game to be over or for me to die so i can do what i truly want to do and stop actually putting effort into this game. because i think it's solved. i don't think more effort is necessary. but i feel obligated to exist in thread because i agreed to play it, so here i am.

i'm not particularly happy with my play this game, and me slam dunking on the last wolf wouldn't change that either, so. i'd feel worse off if i were misclearing a wolf, i don't think i'd feel worse off if i got MLed because i frankly deserve it and have deservd it in multiple of my past towngames anyway

so... yeah. i deviated a lot from why i originally wrote this post but i'm pretty sure the intent is in there somewhere and if not then joycat

having me in what i assume is some kind of poe is pretty (bbefore you say im not, im still nr3 there).... interesting

i was about to towncase myself so i can still think im a realistic nk if it doesnt end tonight but lol

[Dobby]

ive struggled to find reasons to townread cape basically all game but have been giving him extra time because i think i have more exp with cape than anyone else here

but nothing has done it for me, and his posting today has honestly felt more half assed than any other phase imo



im more lulz today because i think the game is solved already so i'd rather have a bit of fun in thread rather than stress out to come to the same conclusions i've already had?

like i get the read but i was basically lolcatting all of that hydra game not just d2

i feel like he just started playing today and definitely more efforty than previous days :P

[Cape90]

POE: Mont/Rask

I think you can throw me in there and still be fine? then it's GG

I'm calling the shot

[Dobby]

katze is back to lock town again soz for concerning you

nope not happening

kat is wIdEnInG tHe PoE

[Dobby]

POE: Mont/Rask

I think you can throw me in there and still be fine? then it's GG

I'm calling the shot

rask?

i just defended you sir


no kat, but rask on that


i should see if it aligns with what youve written but meh

[hollowkatt]

ive struggled to find reasons to townread cape basically all game but have been giving him extra time because i think i have more exp with cape than anyone else here

but nothing has done it for me, and his posting today has honestly felt more half assed than any other phase imo



im more lulz today because i think the game is solved already so i'd rather have a bit of fun in thread rather than stress out to come to the same conclusions i've already had?

like i get the read but i was basically lolcatting all of that hydra game not just d2

yeah, yeah you were.

I want to write something cool and spicy about how and why I voted you in some grandiose play to out the last wolf. Instead it was "everyone is voting monte and I want to be contrarian". Then visor posted the VC with monte also voting you and I felt icky

[Cape90]

8-1

6-1

4-1

2-1

I think this is correct math

[hollowkatt]

i feel like he just started playing today and definitely more efforty than previous days :P

I REMEMBER WHY CAPE
the all caps post when ender blew up and cape said he wanted that closer to eod. That felt squidgy to me on account of the only thing delaying the blowing up would do is allow town to get on the wrong path whereas ender blowing up early, like he did, gives us the third wolf worth of content to review.

[hollowkatt]

POE: Mont/Rask

I think you can throw me in there and still be fine? then it's GG

I'm calling the shot

u wot? rask is hard town mate

[katze]

katze is back to lock town again soz for concerning you

aret aret

having me in what i assume is some kind of poe is pretty (bbefore you say im not, im still nr3 there).... interesting

i was about to towncase myself so i can still think im a realistic nk if it doesnt end tonight but lol

i don't really think you're mafia i just personally have more concrete reasons to townread 6 people over you and probably would have/literally wanted you dead d2/early d3 if not for sunbaes shield

if i were going off of just last day phase and this one you'd probably be in the top 5 over... cuth or sleep?

idk. my point is more "i think it's in the bottom 2" than anything else and if it's not i'd be more willing to Put In Effort ig

i feel like he just started playing today and definitely more efforty than previous days :P

and it's not good

POE: Mont/Rask

I think you can throw me in there and still be fine? then it's GG

I'm calling the shot

wat

why rask that is literally my most confident clear

[Cape90]

rask?

i just defended you sir


no kat, but rask on that


i should see if it aligns with what youve written but meh

the legacy looked towny from katze alright

Katze was also being shielded for meta reasons by... probably town

[hollowkatt]

nope not happening

kat is wIdEnInG tHe PoE

katze is semi-consistent with their world view and previous clears/reads. While I think you're obvs town it's personal because of the interactions/engagement we had together when we were both casing/pushing each other.

[Cape90]

I have no idea how you all are so confident on Rask, like at all. I think they look like town

But so does like

everyone that isn't Mont

i mean even Mont has some good posts

[katze]

I have no idea how you all are so confident on Rask, like at all. I think they look like town

But so does like

everyone that isn't Mont

i mean even Mont has some good posts

iso monstrman

sparkleshrug

[Cuthillius]

anyway uh. again, the easy answer is "cuths EoD1 is just flat out terrible play if he's mafia ngl" but also like... there's a level of. i don't know the right word. i kinda just... feel like they're the same as they were in SF2 on like d3 onwards? the slightly-deflated-because-wrong cuth? idk. i just get about the same vibes. if the above two reads are a 10/10 in confidence this one is like a 9.5/10 stillt

i mean there i was very wrong

here i was responsible for wolf dying where one probably would never have otherwise

i felt very good about it n1 lol

d2 i was just wiped and had a hard time putting words together on end

i might be deflated about ender if it wasn't for the fact that the game just seems more or less over

and not just because of like wolf and town reads specifically but also the worlds that seem at all possible (easy) just fit with the vibe of wolfteam from how things have been

but yes d3 onwards maybe fair in terms of having done some things i feel ok about and not being in a position where i'm under enough pressure to have that motivate me and feeling like it's not worth my limited resources atm

[hollowkatt]

I have no idea how you all are so confident on Rask, like at all. I think they look like town

But so does like

everyone that isn't Mont

i mean even Mont has some good posts

VaSt ToNaL gAp

that and literally years of experience as w/w, w/t of both flavors, and t/t

then finally his thread positioning, how he literally does not seem to care or waiver as wolves go down, his wim and tone are consistent with "we are winning this game".

[hollowkatt]

I have no idea how you all are so confident on Rask, like at all. I think they look like town

But so does like

everyone that isn't Mont

i mean even Mont has some good posts

also also no to your last line

[Cuthillius]

POE: Mont/Rask

I think you can throw me in there and still be fine? then it's GG

I'm calling the shot

stop widening the pr it was fine the first time you said it (rask being v aside)

[hollowkatt]

it's just cape isn't it