I repeat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
What constitutes a substantial difference?
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I repeat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
What constitutes a substantial difference?
They lived here for 3 generations. They aren't refugees. Third generation performs just as badly as the second. Even worse really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Ffs I told you where to find itQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-conte...Inequality.png
Don't this site just googled
lol.
First things first: that's not an answer. I asked you what specifically constitutes a significant and noticeable IQ difference, not what you think the IQ around the world is. Ie. a straight up number. Is 1 IQ point difference noticeable? 5? 10? 20? 50?
Secondly, and most hilariously: Your site uses a celtic cross as an icon. First red flag. The categories of the site is listed at the top, and includes the following categories:
- Featured stories
- World
- US
- Race War (2nd red flag)
- Society
- Jewish Problem (3rd)
- Insight
- Sci/Tech
The six featured stories on the site have the following headlines:
"White Lesbian Suing Sperm Bank for Impregnating Her with a Black Child"
"Jews Cry Antisemitism as Belguim Moves to Ban Animal Torture"
"Video Shows Broad Daylight Armed Assault Against White Family in South Africa"
"Black Terror Lord Jacob Zuma Vows to Defend the Jews"
"Nick Griffin Expelled from the BNP"
"In America, Jews Push Gun Control. Meanwhile, in Israel…
Congratulations Frags, you just managed to (attempt to) back up your totally-not-racist claims by linking to a genuine, full-blown Nazi site.
Well played, sir, well played.
Picked the first I could find, don't know the site.
Google will show you a lot more
Yes, and when this information is widely reproduced by various neo-nazi websites, that doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the information? Lynn is bunk, get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You still have not answered the simple question of how big the difference in IQ has to be before you notice a difference in the person.
I'm beginning to think you don't have an answer to this....
cf. Algerian War for Independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Definitely agree with the first part, but colonialism tends to also have some negative effects on the native population, especially during the era of nationalism.Quote:
Most countries only the rich did well and everyone else was oppressed. There was no meritocracy anywhere else - poor people died the world over.
The "bloody" wars for independance were nothing compared to the slaughters since.
I just searched on google images, was not intentionalQuote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
@HoreTore, answer is easy, performance. If a group performs (much) worse on school. But is also much more criminal, much more prone to mental diseases. Nobody denies that here, it are in fact social-workers who want the best for them who are ringing the alarm-bells, a lot of the criminal youths have a very low IQ, and often various psychosis
Fair game, girls are doing much better, but are still way behind Dutch girls.
They are behind because they come from different backgrounds. I see the same thing with Roma kids in Serbia. They lack proper environment in their early childhood so they are already lagging behind a lot when they start school. They need extra attention, which isn't always available, but if they do get it, most of the time they catch up in a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
The smaller number of Roma kids that do have normal environment in their early childhood on average perform the same as other kids.
Then you should have no problems giving a straight answer. For example, is 1 IQ point enough to make a difference? What about 10?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You have asked him this several times in various forms now. Either he does not want to answer this, or, in a strange twist on the given topic, maybe he cannot answer this because he lacks the IQ to understand the question. In school he would certainly not get a good grade for failing to answer the question five times and on IQ tests it would be a serious downgrade. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
So Fragony, what is it now?
The first thing that comes to mind is me having an uncomfortable take on things. A take on things that is offensive. I understand all that, and admittingly I talk too much in contempt. But at least I am not in denial when it comes to some things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
The day I can read the validity and reliability tests that demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that someone has developed a culture-neutral measurement instrument for IQ, then we can start considering these kinds of comparatives.
Until that point, we are more or less trying to calculate the weight of a bag of oranges using a meter stick.
This is nothing more than an attempt to avoid a direct question. I'll try again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
How large does the difference in IQ have to be in order to get a noticeable difference between 2 persons?
By the way, I know this question has an answer. I am not asking questions that have no answers here.
So when you never answer a specific question and reply to a quote with something that has absolutely no relevance to the question you quoted, you call that "talking too much in contempt"? I call that either an inability to come up with a proper response or changing the topic the entire time because you do not want to leave the territory you feel comfortable on, which so far is only the realm of very vague generalizations that you can only back up using vague links to nazi sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
To be quite frank, to some extent HoreTore makes you look like a fool because he asked for a number somewhere around five times now and you always give him vague text in return. You made it worse yourself by saying the answer is simple and then not giving an answer that fits his question. If you think it is easy to answer his question, why did you not do it until now?
You allready got my answer, you just don't like my answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You showed me a map (supposedly) showing varying levels of IQ around the world.
You have not told me what level of difference is necessary before you actually notice this difference. You may use the map if you prefer that over numbers(though I don't see why).
For example, is the slightly darker blue of Italy enough of a difference to notice a difference between Italy and Germany? What about Russias slightly lighter blue than Poland? Cameroons darker shade of red compared to Nigeria? Or will you only notice it when you go from colour to colour, ie. UK's blue versus Ghana's red?
And what is the difference between the colours, in numbers?
By the way, the average IQ on a dutch IQ test is 100, not 105. If it's anything but 100 in any country, the test is wrong.
We take a break from this regularly scheduled rant to return to topic:
For what its worth, Canada is in:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isis...sion-1.2787231
The whole strategy seems to hinge on the locals being up to the combat side of the mission. Just wondering, did the Kurds ever actually get the weapons they were promised? (you know, to put them on some kind of parity with ISIS?)
Can't they take them from the Iraqi army like everyone else does? Rout an Iraqi unit or two, take their weapons...Quote:
Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny
Chop chop cut *gurggle* another day another head. War-reporters know the risk but this man was there to help. Even Al Quaida asked for his release. Rest in peace in pieces.
Meh, savages.
http://rudaw.net/english/interview/29092014
As our Turkish friend used to say, colour me surprised.
In the meantime, the caliphate's ministry of propaganda is pretty busy.
He's from Iran if we are talking about our resident Kurd. But there is something fishy about the drawlines situated on the Kurdish territories.
From what I know, they currently train kurds over here to use MILAN missiles. Afterwards they will get those, as they were aged surplus anyway and delivering them to Kurdistan is cheaper than dismantling them in accordance with European environmental standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny
Still no number, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Not that hard to find. Could be that you are too leftist to actualy see it, I never know with leftist people if they ignore facts or that they just can't register them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Are you telling me that that Facebook test where I identified which polygon would appear next was wrong in saying I am the smartest man alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Do you even know what number he is talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Hint: It's still the number that he asked for several pages ago and that you still haven't given.
You say all kinds of things, but none of them answer this important question, I never know whether you just ignore those important questions or whether you just can't register them...
Ask again, not going to read 25 pages for a post I may have missed
You're cute when you're clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I am cute by default, what was your questionQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
How large the difference in IQ has to be in order to notice a difference between people. Since this is the 7th time I've asked it, I'll just give the answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You need to move beyond one standard deviation to notice a slight difference between two people. 2 standard deviations is (easily) noticeable.
Now, a couple more questions for you:
1. How large is one standard deviation on the IQ scale in absolute numbers, assuming a 200 point scale with a 100 point average?
2. Lynn's map includes several countries with an IQ average of 70 or below. How many people in the world have an IQ of 70 and below?
EDIT: To make things easier, here's a picture you might find helpful:
Attachment 14601
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...yria-town.html
Now a Kurd is doing a suicide attack against ISIS.
Why do you people keep giving him attention? He has been doing this on this forum site as well as others for at least a decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Let me make it clear for you: You are indulging his fetish. You keep doing it over and over and over again. You know exactly how he is going to respond and what he is going to say and yet you continue to press him for some sort of coherency while he continues giving vague side-steps like he always does.
Why would you do that?
Maybe that's my fetish? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
Been a while since I used one of these baby's, I forgot how substitution works, so I just say that I can't answer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
I would say we take the third generation who are on a level playing field, and see how they do (poorly).
No we can't, since IQ is just one a shitton of factors determining academic success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
The average Mensa member is a plumber, for example.
EDIT: I'll give another answer then.
One standard deviation is the first notation away from the zero(either direction) in the above picture. On the IQ scale, this means +/- 15 points, or an IQ range of 85 to 115 where there is no noticeable difference. This accounts for 68.2% of the human population. The second notation is 2 standard deviations. This is the ranges 70 to 85 and 115 to 130. Here you will find a noticeable difference from the average. The lower range is a bit slower, the higher range is a bit sharper. In terms of education, the lower range is likely to receive some additional support in some subjects, while the higher range is going to show good to exceptional ability in a limited number of subjects. This range covers 27.2% of the population. Combined with the group, this makes 95.4% of the world population. Now for the remaining 4.6%:
This is where you will see a large difference. The ones with an IQ of more than 130 will show exceptional ability in almost all subjects. The higher up you go, the greater the chance that there's something else going on as well which is going to screw them up. At my school we get a few of these, roughly 1 student in every year group. The student who graduated 2 years ago was extremely capable in just about anything, capable of high-level mathematics, learning Korean fluently in 3 months(because "she started listening to k-pop"), writing stories with complex plots in a single lesson, and so on. She is now on her second year in a mental institution. We have one in the oldest class this year as well. Last year, the class learned Solid Works, an engineering 3d-modelling tool. They got around a month to create a 3d-model chair along with an investigation and reflections. A couple of days after the submission deadline, she turned up at the teachers office with a large stack of papers. It was her understanding that the teacher didn't really know the program(we got an engineer to teach it), so she figured she'd make a 60 page instruction manual on how to use the program. She's doing fine currently, but we're expecting a mental breakdown in late November.
The other end of the scale, the 70 and below group, consists of the mentally retarded. An IQ below 70 is one of the criteria for conditions like Down's syndrome, and you will be submitted to a special education school or offered an assistant in every class.
Combined, these two groups consists of 280 million people. The number of people with an IQ below 70 is 140 million. Looking at Lynn's chart, he has a number of countries listed with an average IQ of 70 and below. From the looks of it, roughly 1 billion people lives in these countries. Assuming normal distribution, that means he believes 500 million people have an IQ below 70.
This is impossible. You can't have 500 million people with an IQ below 70, as the number of people with an IQ below 70 is exactly 140 million(rounded off). Assuming all people with an IQ under 70 are Muslims(clearly false, as Christians do have Down's), this can only make up one tenth of the Muslim population.
The issue isn't that you're "provocative", Fragony. The issue is that what you're saying doesn't make any kind of sense. It is clearly false, and you are simply not knowledgeable enough to understand why it's false.
Than why ask me a number, that's impossible to calculate. That map just shows the average of the results of tests per nation, determening factore aren't on it. It's only a small part of a much broader theory. I haven't read Lynn's books myself mind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
But also in western countries some ethnic groups perform worse, that's not something I just make up just to be annoying.
No, it's not. See my edit above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Where did I say all (short answer to a long explanation). What I said is that people from muslim countries have lower IQ on average. Nobody disputes that. The how and the why you can wrap around where you want, but nobody also disputes the effects of inbreeding, and nobody disputes that people from islamic countries marry their own family A LOT, which leads to all sorts of problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
I think what HoreTore is saying, is that either the map is completely made up or his IQ tests were completely broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Where are the numbers from? Who tested the people and why can the map only be found on racist sites?
If the numbers do not hold up against a shallow statistical test, one has to ask these questions and the map alone gives absolutely no answer to them.
It seems unlikely that Mr. Lynn went around the world and tested a statistically significant number of people in each country. So how did he get his numbers? Using the "established science" of head measurements?
Don't know where he got them from, but is it surprising that racist sites host, was my bad to link it from one. Lynn's work is not without anyone disagreeing on the methods, won't argue with that. I don't know how he got them, but they are pretty much in line with the global development index.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Edit: also controversial but written by Harvard professors http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve
Inbreeding in terms of cousin marriage does not cause a lowered IQ, i*m afraid. You will have to go to sibling marriage to get that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
It's debunked nonsense, nothing more. It has no value at all. Not only is it wrong, it doesn't even make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
2+2=5 is wrong. Lynn's work is more in the area of 2+Zebra=koala bear.
Nonsense and you know that, it's just one of the many problems with cousin-marriages.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Pick any source http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../266440a0.html
Actually it goes beyond that - Lynn's work has been utterly debunked as cherry picked rubbish.
For a good example the number he used for the "average" Ethiopian was actually not taken from any group living in Ethiopia but taken from Ethiopian immigrants to Israel...
You can "prove" just about anything if you cherry pick data like that.
Yes, now dig deeper to discover the actual mechanics, rates and causes. And find an actual source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Cousin marriage does have negative effects, but they are completely over-hyped and nowhere near large enough to bring down a population.
If it was, humanity would have been doomed 50.000 years ago. Cousin marriage has been the norm through 99% of human history. If it spelled doom, we would've been dead a long time ago.
Heard about that one before, does not deserve a price for intellectual integrity. There are more things that are critisised. Wouldn't call it utterly debunked. He answers to his critics in IQ and Global Inequality. Only read about it, not the book itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Yes, I know that, but I was actually talking about another user from twcenter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Meanwhile, in the Sultanate:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ank...&NewsCatID=510
So, he would like the PYD to be allied with the F.S.A.:rolleyes:
By the way, a quick quiz, what's the similarity between the Free Syrian Army and the Holy Roman Empire?
If inbreeding is such an issue. You must think Finland being the worst country in Europe as 80% of Finnish genes are from single North European population and from modern nationalities Finns are closest to Cro- Magnons in terms of anthropological measurements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
We also have largest percentage of light eyes and light hair colour in our population, so the so called "European" features seem to imply directly at inbreeding. Damned shame if i would give 5 cents about eugenics. No...just no.
That's why you're ranked at the bottom in every PISA test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
No, wait.
Love that those light-blue in your eyes. Awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
But there are no cousin-marriages in Finland, not a significantly lot of them. I am sure will be dig up an example of where it did happen as an argument to end all arguments, but it just isn't as common, except for the aristocraty.
IQ tests between nations have shown quite big differences. For various reasons.
Culture is however still a much larger factor when it comes to, well, pretty much anything.
In Sweden we have, as an example, seen that Somalis is very hard to integrate into a western modern society. Specially when compared to, say, East Asians at large.
Culture aside, I wouldn't be one single bit surprised if Somalis quite frankly were more stupid at large. I'm not the only teacher banging my head against the wall in frustration after every lesson where I have to try to teach a somali math.
To be quite logical about it... Wouldn't be scientifically more or less impossible for groups living apart and under different living conditions for tens or hundreds of thousands of years to evolve identically?
Nope, as we have both evolved on the same earth. Further, we have not been living apart for "hundreds of thousands of years"(bottlenecked ca 50k years ago). We have not lived apart long enough to evolve in any meaningful way. Evolution is a long, long process.
And if you want to go with evolution, you would have to show evidence of why intelligence mattered more to the caveman in the woods of Europe than it does in the jungles of Africa with a gazillion more things capable of killing the unwary. Good luck with that.
Cousin-marriage is common in all rural populations. It gradually disappears with urbanization. It didn't become uncommon in Europe until after ww2, when mass production sped up the urbanization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Nope, as we have both evolved on the same earth
It just took one damn sentence to show how ridiculous your line of thinking is.
You mean that species on the same damn PLANET EARTH can't evolve differently under different settings? You mean that evolution somehow would go against everything we know of evolution?
We have grown apart physically, did you notice? Black skin, white skin, thick hair, thin hair, blue eyes, brown eyes... But you are adamant that mental differences is just IMPOSSIBLE, even though anything else would be strange given the situations, and eventhough tests clearly show differences?
You are a VERY good socialist, North Korea material I dare say.
This, ladies and gentlemen, shown an understanding of evolution that is worth exactly minus 17 points out of a 1000 possible.
I am completely unsurprised by your inability to offer an explanation of how high intelligence would benefit a European, but not an African. You can explain skin colour by pointing at the sun. Nice try, but it can't be compared to intelligence in any way whatsoever. One is a simple response to the environment, the other is a complex interaction with the environment. In this regard, we do indeed live on the same earth.
Lrn2evolution
Further, I have not claimed that mental differences through evolution is "IMPOSSIBLE".
Lrn2read
AND REMEMBER THAT EVERYTHING BECOMES TRUE IF ITS WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS
Dogs probably diverged from wolves around 30.000 years ago when humans started domesticating them. Dog breeds certainly exhibit large variations in appearance, behaviour and intelligence. But dogs have been artificially selected for it, and have much shorter reproduction cycles than humans.
So while I'm admittedly not an expert on the subject or even a well-read layman, 50.000 years does seem like a short time in human evolution.
Skin color, hair and such are all superficial characteristics fit for clearly identifyable environmental conditions; like sun expousre. Conversely, what would be the environmental condition that encourages or discourages intelligence for humans? Dit European cavemen spend a lot of time solving sudoku puzzles?
So... You basically completely disregard that "small" things such as having to stockpile food for the winter have any impact? You disregard that "small" things such as actually having to live through a winter with its cold might have any effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
You basically make a moronic claim that Africa and the North have identical living conditions enough to give the same result in evolution?
Laughable.
Just the same as we have changed physically we have changed mentally, to think anything else is absurd and a clear example of intellectual dishonesty to adhere to a political standard set.
It's fun how multicultis such as you always, always, always have to weave in "complexity" in your arguments... as if saying something is to complex to be understood would be a reason not to try and understand it.
In truth, it's not very complex at all.
Sub-saharan people come off worse than white people in every single IQ test, and also show correspondingly weak results at society building efforts in the real life setting.
You seemingly often take pride in applying the ockham's Razor on problems, but on this particular issue you and many other like you refuse to use that scientific tool, and instead go with "it's complex".
I tell you, it really isn't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
First wave out of Africa was some 120.000 years ago... Second wave was some 80.000 years ago. I think only second wave was successful, but we might have some overlap IIRC.
In 30.000 years we got wolves to range from Chihuahuas to St. Bernard.
You don't believe that we in 80.000 years might see some mental differences among us?
Again, laughable.
Again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
lrn2read
I have claimed nothing of the sort. I am simply awaiting your explanation of why it requires more intelligence to stockpile food for a hard winter than it does to stockpile food for a hard drought, or why it requires more intelligence to withstand cold than it does to withstand blistering heat and a lack of water.
.....And this is all ignoring the fact that we don't know what intelligence is or what causes it. Assuming education has an impact, we can offer the following explanation: Africa has low access to education - a very easy explanation to any supposed(they are not proven) discrepancy in IQ would be that access to education determines IQ.
Easy-peasy. But not the answer the white power crowd wants, so I assume this will be ignored in the following post.
IIRC around 30-50% of your intelligence are decided in very early childhood when most of the basic links between brain cells are formed.
That has nothing to do with genetics, it's mostly about stimuli and those are probably more related to culture and other circumstances that children grow up in, certainly how much the parents explain to their children, show them the world and allow them to experiment and learn.
One doesn't just get born with a set of brain connections that make one stupid or clever, that's not how a brain works.
This is certainly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
And I am awaiting your explanation why it would take the exact same intelligence to live in Africa as it would in the Western North.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
We don't have the same animals, so SOME kind of adaptions have to have been made by us humans. If we could evolve identically the wildlife would mimic it, no? Just the simple fact that Northmen have to actually wear clothes has an impact.
The climates are NOTHING in the same. it's not the same game or plants, and it's not the same weather.
Also, it's not the same people and not the same culture, and that plays a HUGE part.
Again: Your basic premises is that a species would have evolved identically under very diffrerent conditions.
My basic premise is that species evolves differently under different conditions.
You have to be a VERY good socialist to not at some level of intellectuality start question your own basic premise.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand then you go on with "we don't know what intelligence is"...
Again, socialists always lean back on some damn complexity issue instead of applying Ockham's Razor.
Ockham's Razor = Black people do less well on IQ tests and have shown to be less easy to incorporate in higher learning (even though efforts have been made to include them).
Ockham's razor then = Black people is less intelligent from the intelligence standard set by the modern society (albeit they may be more proficient at surviving lion attacks).
How many black Chess masters do we have? How many black Go masters? How many black experimental physicists? To say that this is all down to mere culture or repression is a joke, specially since we even have a black president.
Blacks today have societys complete permission and help to reach our intellects far boundaries... It's just that they seem to lack the mental tools to get there, if we look at pure results.
Yes, environment plays a big role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
But to say that you don't get born stupid or clever...
Really?
No, really?
I mean, really?
That was the most absurd argument I have heard thus yet. Genetics DO play a ****ing HUGE role in modelling us, otherwise there wouldn't be a market for prize winning sperm.
Also we could just mate nilly-willy.
Oh c'mon Husar, you are better than this. This was just absurd.
EDIT: I'm not surprised HT agreed with this idiotic sentiment though.
Ockham's razor: Kadagar uses an equals sign in the middle of a sentence where it makes little sense -> Kadagar scores very low on the intelligence standard I just set (but he may be good at skiing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Ockham's razor: Kadagar finds the results of scientific studies absurd -> Kadagar is not very educated according to western standards of education (but he may be good at skiing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Dude...Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Try to exchange the "equals sign" to the actual word "equals" and see if it doesn't make some kind of sense.
So far it looks like I beat you both at skiing and thinking.
Shame on you Husar, you are better than this.
You really are :yes:
Every time some one says intelligence is race based, their race is always on top
Funny how that works.
I don't see many Jews or East Asians argumenting here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
You REALLY haven't read up on the issue, have you?
Quite frankly, I'd rather put a bullet in my head than sift through whatever half an abstract one Neo-Nazi website copy+pastes as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
The fact that "Africans" still passes a correct moniker for everyone south of Sahara should be proof enough of these myopic ideas. I still want to see the returns on what sort of long term societal benefit a ski instructor brings to the mighty white race, but I'm not holding my breath.
In any event, I eagerly await the day where Europeans begin hanging their minorities so we can come in and scoop up the good stuff....again. NASA part II!
Stop. Posting. Slobbering. Drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Interactive map on who is involved in the alliance against ISIS, and their contributions:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/int...731382476.html
https://www.google.de/search?q=equal...=1920&bih=1092Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equals_sign
You gotta discuss that with google and Wikipedia I guess.
As for what actually equals Ockham's razor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
Now your posts contained just the words "Ockham's razor", followed by an equals sign (and the word "then" in one case) and then something you tried to pass off as fact, none of that makes sense. You do not present various hypotheses to choose from, you say nothing about what we already know and how many assumptions have to be made and neither do you explain why Ockham's razor should be applied here instead of another principle. Even that sentence from wiki says that Ockham's razor does not always result in a true hypothesis. But you ignore all that and put some hypothesis you personally like behind an equals sign as though that somehow made it true.Quote:
It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, but—in the absence of certainty—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better.
It boils down to metrology folks. We have no "intelligence" tool that can directly compare individuals or groups of individuals. Without a direct comparative tool, all there can be is opinions and beliefs.
Prima facia, Kadagar's assertion that different climatological, experiential, and cultural regimens could result in significant phenotypic variation within the species is not without merit. On the other hand, we have no tool with which to determine if any measurable difference exists. Even if such a difference does exist, we do not have enough reliable data to determine its statistical significance.
Kadagar: None of the IQ tests you refer to can be seen as "culture neutral." They have yet to write an IQ measurement tool that is -- for that matter arguments continue as to what aspects of intelligence need to be measured to capture "intelligence" in a single definition. Chess and Go masters, in addition to both being exposed to cultural bias assertions )(and corruption; the chess organization makes FIFA look totally above board), are at one remove from "intelligence." At best, we can show a strong correlation between master's status in chess and classic western "book learning" definitions of intelligence.
We don't have the "meter stick" we need to prove or disprove your argument.
Sadly, I suspect we will have #D-printed complex organs in general usage long before such a measure for intelligence exists.
If we take intelligence to be behavioral, then item bias becomes trivial as the focus is on outcome, regardless of whether and to what extent results come as a consequence of innate or acquired abilities.
The problem then is not one of cultural bias, but whether IQ (and other) tests can provide a representative sampling of "intellectual functioning" (given some veridical definition of "intelligence") for any individual at all.
Turkey :sweetheart: IS https://mobile.twitter.com/KekHamo/s...69451959525376
Kurds go the hell. Wait they are already there
I think whoever figures out Fragony Paradox will have solved the intelligence puzzle.
Fragony is the key to everything.
Rumour: explosion at nuclair facility in Iran.
What a mess this is. My thoughts are with the Kurds who are fighting in Kabone, a cruel fate awaits them if these butchers get the best of them.
Saw a picture of a woman, beheaded, her spine somehow still dangling under it. What the hell did they do to her, cut in circles and janked it out? Sooooo sickening.
Allahu hakbar. I can only hope that it's true that these sick :daisy: are right about getting 78 virgins and it turns out they became teachers at a school for toddlers.
lol missed this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
:sweetheart:
And sorry Crossloper, but you will allways get the same answer for the same question unless somebody changes his mind. And there just isn't anything that does that.
Kewl, clashes between people with culture and kurds 'we kill you in Iraq and we kill you here'
Germany 2014.
But of course multiculture was the best idea ever.We can really learn from eachother
Way to go lefties
Sadly, a lot of the kids aren't blessed with parents who enjoy explaining to them. Their parents get very impatient and the kids learn quickly not to ask questions to their parents again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Isis is advancing at Kobane at Syrian Turkish border and has now one third of the city under its thumb. Once again this shows that air superiority is not everything. Now US is trying its best to get Turkey to send land forces, but i doubt Turks arent thrilled about fighting alongside the Kurdish peshmerga, so it might be that Turkey will not agree to do as US wishes.