Rampage Out of Space

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

let's kill another scum!!!!

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yes

i like this plan

wish the wolves would have killed me :( thinking is dumb

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

me, too. Random kills are fun.

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you think timkill random?

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

wish the wolves would have killed me :( thinking is dumb

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in terms of sheer joy:

chopped D1 as town is the third best outcome

killed N1 as town is the second best outcome

endgaming as sk is the best outcome

ymmv

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

in terms of sheer joy:

chopped D1 as town is the third best outcome

killed N1 as town is the second best outcome

endgaming as sk is the best outcome

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this series of posts will be incredibly funny postgame if this is SK Winston

HK help

GG who's town and who's scum?

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Originally Posted by Dolby

this series of posts will be incredibly funny postgame if this is SK Winston

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:jester:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

you think timkill random?

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if it was an SK that did it, yes. The SK doesn't care about the alignment of their victim. If it was a vig, no, definitely not random.

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Originally Posted by Dolby

HK help

GG who's town and who's scum?

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help you with what?

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Originally Posted by Dolby

HK help

GG who's town and who's scum?

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I know that I am town.
hollowkatt is town, I think.
Let' me try to give some ideas about the others in another post.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

help you with what?

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gimme takes

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

if it was an SK that did it, yes. The SK doesn't care about the alignment of their victim. If it was a vig, no, definitely not random.

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The SK should care about the alignment of their victims, but also about the abilities of their victims.

Taking out a scum was probably a win for the sk last night, but they'd have been better off if the target had been a more powerful role, whether town or scum.

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

if it was an SK that did it, yes. The SK doesn't care about the alignment of their victim. If it was a vig, no, definitely not random.

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Unvote

think that GG is just behind thread

or putting in effort into pretending to be so

either way don't want to yeet for that

do got to say, saw their last post, but I still don't like what GG and IK had to say about BorgPicard yesterday

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Originally Posted by Dolby

gimme takes

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after dinner I'll give you a full run down.
Hot takes: you're town, winston town, gnome town, pzelda town
el not town

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

slightly bastard

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Originally Posted by Visor

id in if i could :(

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Maybe ol' Visor will live the mission out yet.

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vote: sergeant visorslash

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

el not town

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paint that picture for me

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

I know that I am town.

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This feels like a lie.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

This feels like a lie.

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...is something I should've held off saying until you'd posted your reads.

:shame:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

paint that picture for me

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can't, sorry.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

can't, sorry.

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touché

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Originally Posted by Dolby

gimme takes

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Townies:
HK
Dolby
Winston
Gnome
pzelda

Lean Townie:
Borg


Wolfy:
El
Vroendal
panda

need to post moar:
Ibn
Laurentus
Csargo
Nanook
Lew

generally speaking, if you're in the townie bucket, it's because I like what you're doing, or you've had a post or two that I really jibed with, or you have made posts I generally agree with. You can ask me for more details on whomever

Panda I remember not liking yesterday, and don't remember anything from them today that changes my mind. Vroendal I'm sheeping pzelda on b/c I think they're a paragon of townieness. El it's a gut thing that I cannot explain at all but I want to kill him.

Borg is basically an always lean town till he's not.

The people who I have as needs to post more just need to post more for me to get a read on them.

Can you tell me how Pzelda flipped from yesterday for you?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

touché

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he just feels wrong. As soon as I can put words to it I will. I expect him to be displeased with this read

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Townies:
HK
Dolby
Winston
Gnome
pzelda

Lean Townie:
Borg


Wolfy:
El
Vroendal
panda

need to post moar:
Ibn
Laurentus
Csargo
Nanook
Lew

generally speaking, if you're in the townie bucket, it's because I like what you're doing, or you've had a post or two that I really jibed with, or you have made posts I generally agree with. You can ask me for more details on whomever

Panda I remember not liking yesterday, and don't remember anything from them today that changes my mind. Vroendal I'm sheeping pzelda on b/c I think they're a paragon of townieness. El it's a gut thing that I cannot explain at all but I want to kill him.

Borg is basically an always lean town till he's not.

The people who I have as needs to post more just need to post more for me to get a read on them.

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i want to hate this but i can't

if hk is scum, it's a work of art

am i being too generous?

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

he just feels wrong. As soon as I can put words to it I will. I expect him to be displeased with this read

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if this is scum, i can only take my hat off

Also gotta ask

how is Gnome distinctly towny rn for you?

am i too susceptible to hk's style here?

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Originally Posted by Dolby

Can you tell me how Pzelda flipped from yesterday for you?

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I really really like the posts he made today. They read like town trying to solve and make sense of things and they don't feel contrived or forced. Like he is stream of consciousness posting and solving.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I probably put Nanook too high and he should be a tier lower because of Tim's posts. I think his provoking declarations about killing tim are more likely a reckless town without any developed reads just making noise than distancing. Tim possibly tried to pocket Nanook in his wall too. Nanook on his own, without associations, feels like a low effort town too.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

You're right, I haven't read them yet.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Yeah, Csargo, this is kind of a good look for Dolby.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Before fully catching up, let me tell one thing. I think Tim flipping scum makes HK town for correctly calling out his meta. I think is important, because it was just meta and not HK going head on against Tim.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

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Originally Posted by El-ahrairah

Since I wasn't here for Twilight:

I wanted to vote Rask, but I didn't like Csargo on Rask's wagon, so that put me off voting there.

I voted Dolby because of that post I quoted yesterday, where Dolby said "My issue with Rask is..." and then rattled off some issues. It felt very out of the blue, like "Ahh, Rask is getting some heat, I better prepare a valid reason for suspecting him in case I need to vote him"

And even though I was SRing Rask at the time, I SR'd Dolby more for that.

So,

Vote: Dolby

I'll do a proper re-read when I get to work, I only skimmed a few posts between my last post and EOD.

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I don't know what to think about this post. Dolbster looks like an easy townread for me this game. His posts feels like genuine solving and he's not super reliant on meta. All of his findings make sense. Sticking to this read feels weak from you.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I need to reread d1, because I'm slightly confused by two totally different groups of reads happening right now.
I wonder if I should stick to rask/csargo w/v impression from page 1.
Gnome/Winston both feel like possible anti-towns. From their early interaction, I got a feeling that they might have a private chat together.
Dolby, HK, Lewwyn feels like towns, but I need to reread or pay more attention to new content from them to confirm this with evidence.
Borg Argon def town.
Ibn and Panda are under radar for me. Panda's posts felt like low impact "safe" posts. Ibn just posted without explaining a lot.
I don't remember a single post from Vroendal.
Nanook is sus, but I'm also currently influenced by Dolby's post.
El feels somehow lacking so far, but I'm sure he can pick it up, if town.

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053820751

I don't think pzelda wolf makes these. He's not expanding poe, he's not pushing weird posts or looking for angle gotchas, he's just making solid posts.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I really really like the posts he made today. They read like town trying to solve and make sense of things and they don't feel contrived or forced. Like he is stream of consciousness posting and solving.

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:yes:

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Originally Posted by Dolby

Also gotta ask

how is Gnome distinctly towny rn for you?

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Here's my list from about mid point yesterday or so

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

townies (not ordered)
El
Tim
Winston
Dolby
C4
Gnome
Lewwyn

Dunno
Everyone who's not already named

Do Day Murder To (not ordered)
BorgPicard
Raskol
pzelda
Panda

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Gnome hasn't fallen out of the townies bucket... yet

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

vote: sergeant visorslash

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Vote:WH

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

i want to hate this but i can't

if hk is scum, it's a work of art

am i being too generous?

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You're being far too generous. I'd push me for that list

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Vote:WH

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:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Dolby is truthsome in a way that makes me think not scum, but possibly sk.

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possible, I felt bad about Dolby at the start of the game, reminiscent of the Zack game, but analysis wise it's more inline with t!Dolby

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Originally Posted by Csargo

possible, I felt bad about Dolby at the start of the game, reminiscent of the Zack game, but analysis wise it's more inline with t!Dolby

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What about Dolby reminded you of the Zack game?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

:sweatdrop:

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:bow:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

What about Dolby reminded you of the Zack game?

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The town read on c4 felt very similar to how he tr w!Esooa in Zack's game. It seemed like a more casual version of that to me.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

You're being far too generous. I'd push me for that list

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do you have any good reason to scumread me here?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

The town read on c4 felt very similar to how he tr w!Esooa in Zack's game. It seemed like a more casual version of that to me.

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I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds plausible. +1

@Ibn-Khaldun

think this is needed

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds plausible. +1

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I try. you probably had to be there.

every time I look at Pzelda I feel that what I'm thinking isn't good

Trying to read IK, I kinda want to say his choice his to respond to Tims is maybe slightly not w/w but honestly I'm grasping at whatever straws I can because there mathematically has to be town among the people who decided to kinda push LA D1 for his cop shenanigans. Still think that going after Csargo was is alright given the context of the time, but also noticed that it follows the dicohotomy that Pzelda put forward earlier

I keep on thinking that Csargo is lightly town without seeing anything that sets it for me

I think that HK was doing not-mafia stuff during most parts of D1.

I think that Borg's choices in interaction with Tims over the course of the day is probably not mafia, but I am not committing to this read. I do think that he's generally town tbh, but again, unwilling to set it

Not seeing any reason to read GG town

Might actually move Lewwyn down a bit because thinking about it again I think that the Tims interactions that sold him to me are fakeable. I like almost all of his takes still, like in here

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

It felt like a pretty honest interaction to me. Dolby reads c4 as being more frustrated by the slower speed of development of the thread, and I think it's a good read.

Since then I think C4 has also leaned more town for me with his HK read, and Dolby has also continued to feel pretty townie, rather open and easy in manner.

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Here's a bone: I think that LA and [REDACTED] both have heightened SK potential

gtg rn

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

do you have any good reason to scumread me here?

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I town read you lol

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I'm not ready. I had an opinion yesterday that Tim/Lew could be scumtheatre. Seeing the former flip scum raises that prospect today. And while the latter is posting extremely townie, I've seen him scum at RB enough times to know he's capable of convincing fakery. All of which gives my brain reasons to want to read him scummy here - it's a bias trap. I will definitely want to revisit that thought-process, but first I need to rebuild my overall picture by rereading the thread in light of the flips, so I'm not just looking for reasons why I was right.

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Thanks for the faith in my skill. :bow:

I don't know as many people in this game so I've played it very straight. Luckily I'm just town so all I need to do is hunt scum.

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

No, I didn't. Kind of by accident. My Wednesday evenings are super busy, and EOD occurred when I wasn't able to post. I intend to vote today, and it does look like people are saying more than they did yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

I know that I am town.
hollowkatt is town, I think.
Let' me try to give some ideas about the others in another post.

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Vote : Gnome

So I get the missing the vote, fine, but I don't think you've provided many reads beyond yourself and HK this game. I'm not a big fan of the being pushed into making reads and then not saying anything. You've been actively engaged in the conversation, but haven't really shown a critical eye to it. Since you're going to vote today who's it going to be?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Dolby is truthsome in a way that makes me think not scum, but possibly sk.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

On the other hand, Dolby's been sticking his head out more than is wise for an sk in this situation, and he probably knows better than that.

On the other other hand, I know better than that and it's never stopped me.

sk rand = the temptation of total joy

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So Sk, but not Sk, but maybe Sk anyway. Got it. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Townies:
El it's a gut thing that I cannot explain at all but I want to kill him.

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Do you think that gut thing is contagious?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I'm close to reading Vroe non-maf for this post.

The only thing stopping me is that Tim knows how prone I am to hard-townreading people who come at me like Vroe did.

Confidence says occam's razor; paranoia says leave a little asterisk.

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What exactly makes you townlean vroe in that post? The way he scumread you for fairly good reasons or the way he compared himself to el? I think the former is a good list to sr someone, but it might be too focused on picturing you as scum, while being very articulate (in direct contrast to the second part of the post, where Vroe claimed that he couldn't analyze that early) to be a town post. Like my impression is that earl scumreads coming from town are way more chaotic than cleanly posting all reasons for a sr without a hint of doubt.

I know I might be wrong and call me out if you think differently.

Am I universally townread yet?

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Originally Posted by Dolby

Unvote

think that GG is just behind thread

or putting in effort into pretending to be so

either way don't want to yeet for that

do got to say, saw their last post, but I still don't like what GG and IK had to say about BorgPicard yesterday

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borgpicard was just being ridiculous. What is your opinion?

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Originally Posted by NANOOK

Am I universally townread yet?

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nope.

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

nope.

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Ok, ill check again later

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

Vote : Gnome

So I get the missing the vote, fine, but I don't think you've provided many reads beyond yourself and HK this game. I'm not a big fan of the being pushed into making reads and then not saying anything. You've been actively engaged in the conversation, but haven't really shown a critical eye to it. Since you're going to vote today who's it going to be?

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I don't have a clue. You may as well leave your vote there. I don't like the asking questions while simultaneously voting maneuver. In my opinion, it just looks like your goal is intimidation, rather than an actual discussion of the game. Is that your intention?

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

I don't have a clue. You may as well leave your vote there. I don't like the asking questions while simultaneously voting maneuver. In my opinion, it just looks like your goal is intimidation, rather than an actual discussion of the game. Is that your intention?

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If you like I could ask questions and vote for you in two separate posts but that seems inefficient. I voted for you because I felt like you were being evasive in your approach, I asked the question to see who you'd vote for, or to see who you'd suspect. As it is you can take it or leave it. You're still being evasive and defensive. It's still early in the day and I've made it clear there are a number of people I'm suspicious of. If you want to have an actual discussion of the game, my perception of your evasiveness is part of it. To say I'm only trying to be intimidating is disingenuous if you've actually been following my play. My vote is simply an extension of my current thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

Do you think that gut thing is contagious?

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Probably yeah. I mean I wear a mask while I'm posting but you never know

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Originally Posted by NANOOK

Am I universally townread yet?

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yeah sure whatever

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

yeah sure whatever

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NICE

My work here is done, pack it in boys

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Originally Posted by NANOOK

NICE

My work here is done, pack it in boys

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I think you have to leave a legacy or something tho

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I think you have to leave a legacy or something tho

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My legacy is you're town Dolby is not

I kind of think lewyn is town too but idk.

El might be too idk

HOST NOTICE

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All players must at least cast a vote today to meet participation requirements.



HOST TALLY 2-1

Vroendal (2): Zelda, Hollow
Dolby (1): El-A
Visorslash (1): Winston
Winston (1): Csargo
Gnome (1): Lewwyn

Not Voting (8): Dolby, Gnome, Ibn, Borg, Nanook, Laurentus, Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote

It was a bad read from my part.

vote: dolby

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

This interaction between C4 and Panda:



Response:





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I don't particularly agree with C4's eventual opinion on Panda being misguided. Panda's interaction feels a bit obfuscatory, also claiming "didn't you see the mistake I made? you must be scum" is like a bad gotcha moment. I don't think Panda moves on from this from the rest of the day. I would like to hear Panda's take on C4's innocence.

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I was wrong

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Panda possibly forcing an interaction with Tim

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Honestly , I wanted people to see that post , check the quote above. That should be enough proof I will never have reasons to hide a w!Tim , and trying to pin a veteran wolf as a player , in his very first wolf game , is improbable . Please note , I am yet to have a wolf game , this one is not mu debut as wolf either.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

This response to Tim feels kinda forced too from Panda.

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How do you explain forced interactions, it seems abstract.

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Originally Posted by BorgPicard

Hollowkat confirmed mafia. Why else would he vote for the town cop. Tim can confirm to you in your mafia chat that he is vanilla town and that my n0 peek is 100% legit.

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What importance does this hold ? Is hk mafia as well ? @pzelda about the message in which I said "Tim can certainly confirm , can he not? " . I meant to quote this post , but with a slightly different mechanics and icons , I missed out. I have overcome those problems now though.

This one will fetch a lot of controversy. I haven't seen Tim play much , and if there is a seer sort of role , Tim being the first check makes sense , given the reputation he has. Is it too very far fetched that LA is a mafia , doing a fake claim. He does say Tim is town and basically insists on it throughout, until he gives some compelling interactions. I mean he tried to stay ahead of the real cop , by faking early and getting a mech clear . Seems to out of the world idea, I will save it for later usage.

As of c4 dying , I think it should be someone who he townread , but is a wolf.

Vro doesn't seem right to me either. Also , I think we must look for distancing attempts with LA. Either LA is a wolf fake claiming so wolves are trying to pin him , or he is wolf himself trying to get a mech clear. J don't know which one to follow , and suggestions are welcome.

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

If you like I could ask questions and vote for you in two separate posts but that seems inefficient. I voted for you because I felt like you were being evasive in your approach, I asked the question to see who you'd vote for, or to see who you'd suspect. As it is you can take it or leave it. You're still being evasive and defensive. It's still early in the day and I've made it clear there are a number of people I'm suspicious of. If you want to have an actual discussion of the game, my perception of your evasiveness is part of it. To say I'm only trying to be intimidating is disingenuous if you've actually been following my play. My vote is simply an extension of my current thoughts.

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Why would you vote me before I answered your questions? I don't think that you are sincere in asking questions so I will answer them when it's convenient to me, which isn't at 2 a.m.

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Originally Posted by CutePanda

How do you explain forced interactions, it seems abstract.

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That they don't feel like they fit the post they are a reaction to naturally.

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Originally Posted by CutePanda

What importance does this hold ? Is hk mafia as well ? @pzelda about the message in which I said "Tim can certainly confirm , can he not? " . I meant to quote this post , but with a slightly different mechanics and icons , I missed out. I have overcome those problems now though.

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Yeah, I noticed that later and took it into consideration.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Cool then, It looked like you were faking saltiness. Tbh, I probably need to get distance from you to avoid tunneling you right now.

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Originally Posted by NANOOK

vote: dolby

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Spicy!

Also I notice I missed some post. I will catch up on them later.

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Originally Posted by CutePanda

Vro doesn't seem right to me either. Also , I think we must look for distancing attempts with LA. Either LA is a wolf fake claiming so wolves are trying to pin him , or he is wolf himself trying to get a mech clear. J don't know which one to follow , and suggestions are welcome.

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Why is LA always a wolf for you?

Why can't he be town fake-claiming?

*goes back to ill-defined RL things for a while*

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Originally Posted by Garden Gnome

Why would you vote me before I answered your questions? I don't think that you are sincere in asking questions so I will answer them when it's convenient to me, which isn't at 2 a.m.

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I never set a timeline for you to answer any questions. I vote as I said as an extension of my intent. I’m not interested in lynching a villager so of course I ask questions as well as vote. I would rather hear more from you and see if you are town and change my vote or hear more from you and have my thoughts confirmed.

Also my question is more to say who would you vote for. That would mean who do you suspect of being scum. I don’t think my question much of an onerous burden or a huge inquisition as you are making it out to be. You’ve spent more time claiming to be a victim here than actually providing any substantive reads. You seem more interested in defending than actually scum hunting.

Hot take: Gnome/Lew not W/W

So, I checked the Tally from the last day..
I think the bandwagon on Rask was all townies. If the mafia was smart they'll just let it happen and vote for someone else so they wouldn't be connected to the Rask lynching.

This is the tally from D1. Btw, it seems Monty didn't remove Tims vote on Dolby after he had voted for Borg. I got confused for a second seeing Tim voting twice..

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Rask (6): Csargo, Zelda, Dolby, Borg, Hollow, Lewwyn
Dolby (3): El-A, Tim, Nanook
Zelda (2): Winston, c4
Borg (2): Ibn-K, Tim
Winston (2): Rask, Vroendal
Panda (1): Lewwyn
c4 (1): Panda

Not Voting (2): Gnome, Laurentus

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I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston

Vote: Vroendal

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston

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GTH you probably have 1 wolf there at most, possibly none.

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

So, I checked the Tally from the last day..
I think the bandwagon on Rask was all townies. If the mafia was smart they'll just let it happen and vote for someone else so they wouldn't be connected to the Rask lynching.

I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston

Vote: Vroendal

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I think it’s possible the task voters are all townie, but I think you’re putting a lot of faith in that meta.

Why those four and not include panda and gnome? Are they just not on your radar? Also why Vro over the other 3 you mentioned?