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maple could def be a wolf but i don't want to go there today

i feel like i really SHOULD find her in not too much time if she is a villa

and i'd feel bad if i killed her d1 in her first village game in however long

vote: arctic

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

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Based on 1 post yeah

I can only assume ignorance rather than malice for so long ngl

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Arctic

Based on 1 post yeah

I can only assume ignorance rather than malice for so long ngl

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Assume malice :3 I definitely have malice rn

unvote:arctic

I mean one string of posts is more accurate.

But also like your other takes have not moved my needle and it feels like you care more about defending your position there than trying to engage me in any sort of good faith.

vote: Totally not Taffy

ok then I choose to die voting the wolf who made an obviously fake claim which you guys decided to reward

Vote:taffy

vote: taffy

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

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I really don't think he's a wolf, his reaction to Taffy's claim was so villagery to me, and also makes a lot of sense LOL like the thing about anticlaim just seems really legit

my bad if I'm being snowed but I don't think he flips wolf here
@Lissa if you don't want to vote Maple then we can consolidate on Rask. I really don't want Arctic dead today-

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Originally Posted by Arctic

vote: Totally not Taffy

ok then I choose to die voting the wolf who made an obviously fake claim which you guys decided to reward

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If she is wolf what is the cost to limming elsewhere and letting her be hoisted by her own petard?

arctic in this position just trying to kill the pr claim is so weird honestly regardless of his alignment but i think he is still where i want to go today regardless

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Originally Posted by annika

I really don't think he's a wolf, his reaction to Taffy's claim was so villagery to me, and also makes a lot of sense LOL like the thing about anticlaim just seems really legit

my bad if I'm being snowed but I don't think he flips wolf here
@Lissa if you don't want to vote Maple then we can consolidate on Rask. I really don't want Arctic dead today-

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voting a 0 poster just feels wrong even though

like

based on the thread villageriness he def is ++rand wolf

i dunno my ww principles are screaming at me at the idea lol

but i mean i kinda do think he is just a wolf i guess

just feels wrong which is maybe dumb

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Originally Posted by Maple

The things youre citing for your wolf read all occurred after your vote. Is this inherently a bad thing? Not really. While it's a "classic scum tell" over on the MafiaScum wiki, it's one I never put too much stock in. I love justifying reads post-hoc, ESPECIALLY when making reads for postgame cred. You do, however, seem entirely uncritical here, and that's more or less the problem. There are factual errors in your rationals here.

For example: the point that my wall on asking for advise is strange because nothing bad had happened in this game. However in the wall I more or less state that the introspection is largely triggered by a string of very successful wolf rands. Your initial point of me perhaps perspective slipping on my comments about my string of wolf rands.

Your point about me saying to give sunbae another day (explained by the central thrust of my distrust for them being tonal/the way they treat the game, which can perhaps be explains by a lack of engagement). Your point about my sheeping reads on taff and not particularly looking too deeply on it (explained by the fact that frankly I don't *need* to have a strong read on taff, and there's many people in the game who are better than me with strong convictions, so I don't mind sheeping those slots). As well as a point on me showing a lack of projected confidence (which I believe is factually incorrect in that I'm trying to inject confidence into my play here (unless I'm just utterly failing at that, in which cas e.

In aggregate it just reads like you're saying words. Again, in the wise words of tessepia: you are contradicting and counterarguing my posts without any degree of refutation to be seen.

Or in my own words: I am entirely unconvinced that you believe your push on me, especially given it is predicated upon pure PoE, only substantiated in any way after your own wagon began to really gain momentum. All that said, it should be incredibly obvious to you, at this moment, that I will not die today. If you wish to live, I strongly recommend you attempt to create a more viable counterwagon. Good luck.

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Look, kill me or annika idc. She's clearly acting in bad faith towards me. If I somehow get voted out here, presumably due to tiny wagons in a 15p game, then fuck it, give me my one.

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Saving my last post to selfprez. I'm not a nerd who needs extra posts at EoD.

Arctic is town.

Ender you've gone past cap just fyi.

i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh

i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.

Vote: Rask

vote: ladd

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 656

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
4	Totally not Taffy	Arctic (48), Visor (50), ladd (34), waza (56)
3	Arctic	EnderWiggin (54), Lissa (49), Totally not Taffy (35)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
1	ladd	nebjiamn (53)
1	Maple	annika (49)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (43)
1	annika	Maple (49)
1	Raskolnikov	didistetter (50)
1	Not Voting	Raskolnikov (0)

I don't like maple's eod here at all ftr

prob my main take away from this

Giving him an excuse to vote me here probably but it's okay lol

taffy going over here should like

really not be a thing???

seems like a pretty bad idea imo

vote: maple

https://i.imgur.com/V0nTK3C.png


live crudely drawn 2 minute representation of benneh at his computer crying screaming throwing up at the realization that im not going to die today

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I don't like maple's eod here at all ftr

prob my main take away from this

Giving him an excuse to vote me here probably but it's okay lol

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You really think I need an excuse to vote a twink like you? cmon
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2 minutes how are we kiling taf lol sheep me on this one yall

vote: rask

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Originally Posted by Lissa

taffy going over here should like

really not be a thing???

seems like a pretty bad idea imo

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yeah. it's not Arctic though, he's not a wolf
vote: Raskolnikov

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 665

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
4	Raskolnikov	Visor (51), annika (50), didistetter (50), nebjiamn (55)
3	Arctic	EnderWiggin (54), Lissa (50), Totally not Taffy (35)
3	Totally not Taffy	Arctic (49), ladd (34), waza (56)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (44)
1	annika	Maple (50)
1	Not Voting	Raskolnikov (0)

vote: raskolnikov

Vote: Maple

vote:raskolnikov

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

vote: maple

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tmrw ig

Stop posting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbPGvyE6D4w

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 669

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
5	Raskolnikov	Lissa (51), Visor (51), annika (51), didistetter (50), nebjiamn (55)
3	Totally not Taffy	Arctic (49), ladd (34), waza (56)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
1	Arctic	Totally not Taffy (35)
1	Maple	EnderWiggin (55)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (44)
1	annika	Maple (50)
1	Not Voting	Raskolnikov (0)

Day 1 is over. Rask has been yeeted.

Raskolnikov was:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You are [Symphony No. 4 by Gloria Coates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRatFogE0U)
Gloria Coates is top of all the lists. Her symphonies barely register as symphonies, instead they feel like a single, complex sound, which emerges from a crater in the Earth, changing and growing as the creature making the sound shifts slowly in the crust, or which looms watchfully out of sight behind the clouds. More than any other composer or musician, Gloria creates music not out of notes but out of raw feeling.

You are Demolitions Expert

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.

You have the following abilities:

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.

two things:

benneh released a sweet sweet update for turby, it can now detect nicknames!!!! wowee

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

{
"EnderWiggin": ["bladescape"],
"Maple": ["Mantichora"],
"nebjiamn": ["benneh", "benben"],
"Visor": ["nl"],
"waza": ["Happy"]
}

you don't have to type out the full name, eg turby will recognize "vote: rask" as a vote for Raskolnikov
dm me if you want me to add a nickname for anyone

also confirming that postcap is not lifted from this point on, no proxy votes when capped, apologies for not making that explicit in the rules (it is now!)

Sunbae has died! They were:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You are [The Well-Tuned Piano by LaMonte Young](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7lnM0AuC5o)
This is a cosmic piece of music, by which I mean it can transport you, if you wish it, to a similar place you might go while on a particular type of high, where you feel like you are inside the stars, vibing with hallucinated angels.

You are Odd-Night Redirector

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

You have the following abilities:

On odd-numbered nights, target a player to redirect any actions targeting them to yourself.

Day 2 begins!


Livelist

ladd
Visor
didistetter
nebjiamn
Maple
Lissa
Arctic
waza
Totally not Taffy
EnderWiggin
annika
dyachei
pzelda

obligatory: no one gets a ton of cred for killing an afk wolf but i still want to say the rask wagon is pure. i was sorta wigged out by lissa's eod in the moment, but in the context of her not wanting to kill taffy, pushing on arctic sorta makes sense? I'm not sure, will table for now, but I have her town otherwise

n1 thoughts:

• i thought arctic was pure af during eod which is the main issue giving me pause with lissa. i didn't agree with his push on taffy but i also didn't hate it from him.
• i think visor had a towny eod and i tr'd him before it, so he should be town
• i think stett's town regardless of the vote and idt she'd bus there over a multitude of options if she was a wolf anyway
• i'm certain annika is town from the eod. not really even cause she voted rask and rask flipped wolf, but because of the conviction she had in wanting to save arctic there and not just defaulting to someone like taffy and stayed pretty strong on maple. the vote is icing on the cake--probably technically within her range nowadays but i'll roll with town based off the other stuff anyway.
• i thought ender had a good eod even though he was voting and pushing arctic most of it? like it felt more real than it did from lissa
• maple's eod was terrible IMO. the omgus on annika wasn't good but even worse to me was the conviction and refusal to reconsider--perhps an unfair read since annika wasn't really re-evaling maple either--but a lot of maple's responses just read like "wolf smells blood, sinks teeth deeper into victim", unfounded confidence powerwolf kinda vibes
• i cannot make sense of waza's vote when he was jokingly pushing rask all day, he should have been fine to just kill there over a pr claim? but i want to see his reasoning for landing on taffy.
• taffy could ceratinly still be a wolf but IMO the juice wasn't worth the squeeze after the claim and hopefully they are either deador have some kind of information today. dipping out after claiming PR should be NAI but i will concede to the taffy voters that it didn't look great
• if taffy is town i kinda hate ladd, but if taffy is wolf i love him. a lot of the reason i was trying to silently push him after post-cap 'lift' was a lot of ladd's reads have bugged me in how non-collaboriative they have been. i was willing to test that cause i sorta agreed with the taffy read upon my own re-read, but when taffy claimed/if taffy is real, that non-collaboriativeness in his reads feels more wolfy to me (reads specifically i can think of this applies to are: taffy/sunbae/initial dya read but there are prob a few others i'm forgetting atm)
• pzelda not around for EOD but not really going to worry about them. THEY are actually the d1 threadspewed villager IMO and if they're wolf then shame on everyone for letting silly meta reads get in the way of discussion around their slot
• dya not around for EOD but I just sorta think they're town from their posting. would like to see where they are today and how they post before locking anything in but i feel good about them.
• sunbae could go either way. i thought his wall was OK but the wolf read on dya i don't really love? and the whole PR claim fiasco after taffy did was pretty wolfy and some of it reeked of kinda "salty wolf whos miselim just got ran through" -- admittedly some of this is offset by him being an absolute clown at eod and drawing a picture of me crying (i laughed out loud btw, stellar drawing)

i think some post-eod clarity makes some of taffy sus live make more sense. since they went afk it felt kinda wild to see them wagoned without having any posts beyond that pr claim, but the beauty of retrospect kinda shows me how reasonable that actually was at the time. still wanna see wazas reasoning though


so here's where i am after day 1. tier 1 and 2 are ordered, tiers 3 and 4 are unordered within:

always town (0 wolves)
nebjiamn
annika
didistetter

exceedingly likely to be town (hopefully 0 wolves in this)
visor
lissa
pzelda

townleans (0-1 wolves in this and the exceedingly like to be town pile)
arctic
dyachei
ender

concern pile (1-2 wolves, hopefully 2 )
taffy
sunbae
maple
ladd - always town if taffy is wolf
waza

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of my concern pile, some unlikely (but not impossible!) pairings off the top of my head:
ladd/taffy (ok this one should be impossible)
waza/taffy (bussing taffy at EoD would be nuts with rask as someone he was soft pushing all day anyway, kinda absurd to not take the credit on rask he was claiming all day if taffy is also a wolf)
sunbae/waza

some pairings that i think work from my concern pile
sunbae/ladd
sunbae/maple
sunbae/taffy
ladd/waza
maple/taffy
maple/waza (waza never discusses maple at all except to say maple is in a large poe of potential wolves at the start of game. maple townleans waza twice. but afaict they dont have any interactions)


possibly unnecessary caveat: its very very possible that my concern pile does NOT have all 2 wolves, so i'm not really solving for today's wolf based on that and IDRT anyone else should either. especially in the context of rask being afk and us not really having valuable info for interactions there. ill just be voting who i think is most likely to be wolf period.


and with that said i kinda wana just kill maple and go to d3 but lettuce see what today brings

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this spot saved for the post-nightphase RIP nightkill comment:

RIP sunbae GG

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this spot saved for the post-nightphase RIP stettdiedn1 again comment if stett dies instead of anyone else:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STETT YOU DUMB BITCH WHY DID YOU DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Me and nl went out for brunch this morning. The experience was wonderful. I got the quiche au courgette and he got the parm omlette. Over the meal we discussed many things: the game, local politics, et cetera. To whoever set us up, I thank you. I'll be looking to track you down so I can shake your hand myself. We were both so surprised by the turn of events!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SUNBAE YOU DUMB BITCH WHY DID YOU DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



ok this kinda shakes me up and makes me want to kill taffy now lol

ll have a think, wont be as spammy this time around

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

this spot saved for the post-nightphase RIP stettdiedn1 again comment if stett dies instead of anyone else:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STETT YOU DUMB BITCH WHY DID YOU DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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wtf

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Originally Posted by didistetter

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

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i think that should be possible. i'll work on it tonight

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Originally Posted by didistetter

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.

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i have thoughts about this, but i don't wana poison the well. remind me at some point after waza checks in.

> On odd-numbered nights, target a player to redirect any actions targeting them to yourself.
oooop

so this is kind of like a bodyguard? but it redirects all actions, not just killing actions

also RIP Sunbae gg o7

I agree annika and arctic are both town from eod tho ben.

Really don’t love maple’s omgus and attempted push on annika but we’ll see.
Lissa is the only on wagon voter I’m not lock towning.

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Originally Posted by didistetter

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

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Before I wrote my nl opener, I was planning on saying "yall i dont think this whole confidence thing is working out".

I'll share my actual game related thoughts later.

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Originally Posted by Maple

Me and nl went out for brunch this morning. The experience was wonderful. I got the quiche au courgette and he got the parm omlette. Over the meal we discussed many things: the game, local politics, et cetera. To whoever set us up, I thank you. I'll be looking to track you down so I can shake your hand myself. We were both so surprised by the turn of events!

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neighborizer does not fit in this setup at all and i'm going to ignore this. And if taffy claims neighborizer i might kill both him and you unless visor hard confirms it hand on heart no harrybrook incidents.

@Sunbae

https://i.imgur.com/V0nTK3C.png

replay of crudely drawn 2 minute representation of benneh at his computer crying screaming throwing up at the realization that the deam team was real but yaboi just died n1

I think Waza's EoD was hella townie imo, I like that he was trying to communicate his reads with the unvotes LOL and he did push Rask a lot even though he moved off
Ben too for the snipe on Rask

despite being mute both of these guys had villagery EoDs

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Originally Posted by Maple

I'll share my actual game related thoughts later.

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what's the point of waiting? (or are you just busy rn)

Ben somehow still keeps up his streak of never missing D1 SOB

I swear voting w/ him is like a cheat code LMAO

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Originally Posted by didistetter

neighborizer does not fit in this setup at all and i'm going to ignore this. And if taffy claims neighborizer i might kill both him and you unless visor hard confirms it hand on heart no harrybrook incidents.

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narc mommy out here hating on FUN

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Originally Posted by annika

I think Waza's EoD was hella townie imo, I like that he was trying to communicate his reads with the unvotes LOL and he did push Rask a lot even though he moved off
Ben too for the snipe on Rask

despite being mute both of these guys had villagery EoDs



what's the point of waiting? (or are you just busy rn)

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I just don't feel like it atm lol

we have 48h and i wanna hang out with women rather than make ww posts

either after dinner or tmr morning

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 669

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
5	Raskolnikov	didistetter (50), Visor (51), annika (51), nebjiamn (55), Lissa (51)
3	Totally not Taffy	ladd (34), Arctic (49), waza (56)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (44)
1	annika	Maple (50)
1	Arctic	Totally not Taffy (35)
1	Maple	EnderWiggin (55)
1	Not Voting	Raskolnikov (0)

@didistetter I think this is a vc with ordered votes

I'll get gemma an updated version shortly after I add a few more updates

My Eod is simple lol

I signaled twice to get on rask and people didn’t listen

Then Arctic wagon gained traction which I hated because between my last post and when I came back for eod Arctic was one of my main trs, by the time I voted it looked like it was going to be between taffy or Arctic so I pressed for Arctic. Maintained my vote there because I figured if me Arctic and ladd are all there with Annika and stett shielding Arctic he shouldn’t die

Not super convinced at the time that taffy had to be a hit, could go either way, I liked some of taffy’s responses to ladd but I also agree with Arctic that the way taffy claimed felt fake lol

50 post cap is a big nerf so yeah idk maybe I just ghost the entire day until Eod

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Originally Posted by didistetter

I agree annika and arctic are both town from eod tho ben.

Really don’t love maple’s omgus and attempted push on annika but we’ll see.
Lissa is the only on wagon voter I’m not lock towning.

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I don't care about it

It's not something I see wolf manti thinking is a good use of their time

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Originally Posted by waza

My Eod is simple lol

I signaled twice to get on rask and people didn’t listen

Then Arctic wagon gained traction which I hated because between my last post and when I came back for eod Arctic was one of my main trs, by the time I voted it looked like it was going to be between taffy or Arctic so I pressed for Arctic. Maintained my vote there because I figured if me Arctic and ladd are all there with Annika and stett shielding Arctic he shouldn’t die

Not super convinced at the time that taffy had to be a hit, could go either way, I liked some of taffy’s responses to ladd but I also agree with Arctic that the way taffy claimed felt fake lol

50 post cap is a big nerf so yeah idk maybe I just ghost the entire day until Eod

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Also I trd sunbaes posts after I capped, so yeah given that Arctic and sunbae were two people I was willing to consider as wolves switching in my reads and turning into my trs it left rask and taffy as the only slots I was left with being voted. Obv means I miscleared earlier in the day but yeah I’m not gonna explore that option so close to eod when some of those slots were afk

Ben lol I know what ur thinking and when I distance with partners it’s not that obvious and I wouldn’t bother to do it in this lobby with players who know I love to distance lol

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Originally Posted by waza

Also I trd sunbaes posts after I capped, so yeah given that Arctic and sunbae were two people I was willing to consider as wolves switching in my reads and turning into my trs it left rask and taffy as the only slots I was left with being voted. Obv means I miscleared earlier in the day but yeah I’m not gonna explore that option so close to eod when some of those slots were afk

Ben lol I know what ur thinking and when I distance with partners it’s not that obvious and I wouldn’t bother to do it in this lobby with players who know I love to distance lol

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that's not what i'm thinkin

why not just kill rask?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

that's not what i'm thinkin

why not just kill rask?

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Nobody voted him until the last minute, every other time I voted people didn’t join. The wagon took off in the last minute and I didn’t have time to process it, I was already set on just making sure Arctic didn’t die so I committed to the taffy vote

I’ll say this because if I told you the real reason you wouldn’t believe me lol

Vote:taffy

Will change if they towntell or ladd wolf tells or I re-evaluate and figure out what I wanna do

Cyas at eod

Looking forward to what taffy and ender have to say

ben, I'm almost never gonna be able to make EOD because Amy refuses to go to bed reasonably.

Idk how to read taffy so if anyone has some tips there lmk

I am pretty concerned about ladd but felt better about him at EOD

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Originally Posted by dyachei

ben, I'm almost never gonna be able to make EOD because Amy refuses to go to bed reasonably.

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i know, i don't have any issues with you being gone.

Quote:

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I am pretty concerned about ladd but felt better about him at EOD

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??? please explain

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i know, i don't have any issues with you being gone.



??? please explain

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i was pretty confused why earlier in the day you were able to find me so soundly but ladd was not. He seemed to get there at EOD which made me feel not as concerned. He's usually very good at reading me but it felt like he was trying to keep options open earlier

Annika stett Zelda Ben dya arctic

Probs the core I’m rolling with for today

Only tinfoil there is Ben but yeah like I said 99% of the times someone whose approaching the game like Ben is just town. I hate making conditionals like these but yeah if he’s alive in lylo at the very least he should be forced to make the first vote

Lissa visor ladd are all 3 slots that I’ll think about more once I know taffy’s alignment or have a strong sense of it.

Sap

Will be around more in second half of the day (p busy today irl) but annika/artic seem like pretty obvious villagers from eod, esp annika

Tbh nothing else changed for me, dya/annika/artic/benneh/waza/stett/pzelda are people i am ~never killing this game. Visor/lissa ill re read durjng today simply cause my read on them is not as strong/clear as the people above. Ender/maple/taffy are my lazy bottom tier atm


Gg sunbae

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I forgot this site deletes carrots lmao

its 2 wolves in dya, arctic, taffy, and ender

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i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.

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waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i was pretty confused why earlier in the day you were able to find me so soundly but ladd was not. He seemed to get there at EOD which made me feel not as concerned. He's usually very good at reading me but it felt like he was trying to keep options open earlier

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why couldn't he just be a wolf who was getting progressively boxed in by other reads on you?

when you said you cleared him at eod i thought you meant like, actually eod

what's your read on him if you ignore how he's reading you entirely?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.

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waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

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Check who are their top villareads

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Wrt dya i think they have have that 1 post saying they wouldnt wolfread sunbae as a wolf that is just ~clearing levelz for them

Arctic i have a vague tinfoil he started pushing taffy hard after the claim to get some cred knowing taffy would never actually go over but their posting overall is like very good imo

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Originally Posted by waza

Annika stett Zelda Ben dya arctic

Probs the core I’m rolling with for today

Only tinfoil there is Ben but yeah like I said 99% of the times someone whose approaching the game like Ben is just town. I hate making conditionals like these but yeah if he’s alive in lylo at the very least he should be forced to make the first vote

Lissa visor ladd are all 3 slots that I’ll think about more once I know taffy’s alignment or have a strong sense of it.

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Why are you clearing dya(dunno if i missed this one)?

I am confused by how people are reading benneh this game lol

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Originally Posted by dyachei

ladd, it's not the amount of solving, it's the quality of it

and tbh, sunbae, if I were a wolf I def wouldn't be voting you d1. I appreciate you too much

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Dya just wouldnt make this post as a wolf ~ever

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ngl i'm mostly just waiting on ender and taffy lol.

Waza entrance is fine. I believe the reasoning ig, and the wagon was def last min-ish

Vote: Maple

Think visor is just town for voting with me on rask despite not even having me as town lol. That second is what energized it for annika/ben to join.

I jive w/ ladd's bottom 3 so unless taffy comes in with a super hot super specific giga believable claim

probs not worrying about him unless taffy is legit town

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Originally Posted by ladd

Why are you clearing dya(dunno if i missed this one)?

I am confused by how people are reading benneh this game lol

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Heh I think you answered your own question in the next post

Dyas sunbae push felt fairly novel at the time, they had other places I imagine wolf them woulda pushed instead. I believe they believed the push. Some stuff they said to you and Ben felt towny

Ben tinfoil is just moreso a backup panic button if the game doesn’t end soon enough. I don’t think he’s a wolf but I’m very biased with his handling of me this game lol. I can go into it more if you like but it probably is ultimately just nothing so I’d rather not open up an avenue for wolves to exploit prematurely

Btw how come u asked me about my dya read considering u already trd dya and me independently

RIP Sunbae.

I still disagree that Arctic's EOD was specifically towny of em.

But there's enough people who seem to think that was clearing that it can't be just a wolf sentiment echo chamber and I have to consider strongly that I'm just five miles underneath the ground in my tunnel. So I'm gonna ignore Arctic for a bit and come back to it.

I also want to see what Taffy has to say.

I thought Maple had a terrible EOD. (This is definitely a unique viewpoint I see)

I think Benneh/Annika/Stett/Waza are all very towny from that EOD.

Need to get back to work will think more on this later.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.

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waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

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Yeah I get that hence why ur town 99% of the town, I’ll admit if ur a wolf I never seen u play like this before or like most people for that matter lmao. Hence why my read is biased because yeah idk whilst I get ur sus on me and it’s easy to pick up why some of my stuff may look bad in a vacuum there’s some bigger picture stuff with me that I feel like ur not accounting for (atleast that’s how it feels fmpov)

The easy and simple answer is that ur just overburdened by exploring every single angle of info you can get and somewhat overloading yourself/getting lost in the sauce, but that doesn’t stop me from considering the world that you are keeping me in the poe for nefarious reasons too, it’s a natural reaction that I think any villa would have in my shoes. Again if u were some dingo at reading me it would matter less but ur defs in the top tier of people at it. Dya and ladd are both up there and they managed to find me fairly quickly and easy for example

But yeah probs best if we don’t waste too many more posts on this since like I said occams is we are v/v and since we are both the top posters it would be pretty -ev if we both blow our posts counts going back and forth in what is most likely just v/v conundrums

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Originally Posted by waza

Btw how come u asked me about my dya read considering u already trd dya and me independently

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You or artic would be the first 2 people id tinfoil from my top tier and idt dya posting is villagery unless you know them well so was curious why you had them so strongly v



I guess i will re read arctic later to do due diligence etc..

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Originally Posted by ladd

You or artic would be the first 2 people id tinfoil from my top tier and idt dya posting is villagery unless you know them well so was curious why you had them so strongly v



I guess i will re read arctic later to do due diligence etc..

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Okay yeah I agree with u on the dya part so it’s probs towny for u to be suspicious of that

But yeah I know dya well and hopefully they can confirm that I don’t really misread them often and vice versa (I confirm they don’t misread me often)

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Originally Posted by waza

Yeah I get that hence why ur town 99% of the town, I’ll admit if ur a wolf I never seen u play like this before or like most people for that matter lmao. Hence why my read is biased because yeah idk whilst I get ur sus on me and it’s easy to pick up why some of my stuff may look bad in a vacuum there’s some bigger picture stuff with me that I feel like ur not accounting for (atleast that’s how it feels fmpov)

The easy and simple answer is that ur just overburdened by exploring every single angle of info you can get and somewhat overloading yourself/getting lost in the sauce, but that doesn’t stop me from considering the world that you are keeping me in the poe for nefarious reasons too, it’s a natural reaction that I think any villa would have in my shoes. Again if u were some dingo at reading me it would matter less but ur defs in the top tier of people at it. Dya and ladd are both up there and they managed to find me fairly quickly and easy for example

But yeah probs best if we don’t waste too many more posts on this since like I said occams is we are v/v and since we are both the top posters it would be pretty -ev if we both blow our posts counts going back and forth in what is most likely just v/v conundrums

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to be fair i think you are the overblowing things lol. i don't think i'm overloading myself or getting lost in the sauce so much as i'm just building a POE I think is right and then questioning it as needed

consider this:

-there are 2 wolves left and you are in my bottom 5 (was 6, but then one of them died overnight)

-if my math is right, we presumably have at least 4 collective kills before we reach a lylo situation and altogether we (the collective we) need to build a poe of around 6 players that has both wolves to achieve 'auto.' and some of those POE, if they flip wolf, clear you from my pov, not even accounting any other interactions going forward

-i don't think i've even pressed on you very hard, i just wanted to know why you didn't vote rask and i found your answer relatively satisfactory.

-since the nightkill and other discussions i've been sliding around where some of the people lower in my list mgiht fall, since sunbae's exit necessitates me to at least move 1 person down into a larger poe

so i don't think its unfair for you to think i could be wolf. and it WOULD be fair for you to question the people above you in my poe if you think you shouldn't be in the bottom 6. but i don' tthink its fair to act like i'm in a tunnel or causing wasted posts right now, especially when we're all very much in a wait-and-see mode right now for the wolfiest players to do something

hai cuties

i agree we should kill in taffy/maple/ender first. i still think taffy's claim is fake so i'll be waiting for clarification there and probably voting her if we don't get any or it isn't satisfactory

i am not a fan of lissa's eod, either, for obvious reasons. but she's still been towny outside of that so meh

i could construct a 6 person poe and it'd probably be taffy/maple/ender/ladd/visor/lissa

but i think if the first 3 contains no wolves then things get a lot more dicey and i'm willing to consider almost anyone, including benneh. a wolf flip in the first three would narrow some things down though, like if taffy flips wolf i wouldn't kill ladd. there's probably some other unpairings here probably but i don't really see a point in focusing on that rn

the only people i'm never killing this game are stett and anni. probably not waza or pzelda either, though.

also please make sure you save posts for eod lmao, like at least 5-ish

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Originally Posted by Arctic

also please make sure you save posts for eod lmao, like at least 5-ish

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no u

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

to be fair i think you are the overblowing things lol. i don't think i'm overloading myself or getting lost in the sauce so much as i'm just building a POE I think is right and then questioning it as needed

consider this:

-there are 2 wolves left and you are in my bottom 5 (was 6, but then one of them died overnight)

-if my math is right, we presumably have at least 4 collective kills before we reach a lylo situation and altogether we (the collective we) need to build a poe of around 6 players that has both wolves to achieve 'auto.' and some of those POE, if they flip wolf, clear you from my pov, not even accounting any other interactions going forward

-i don't think i've even pressed on you very hard, i just wanted to know why you didn't vote rask and i found your answer relatively satisfactory.

-since the nightkill and other discussions i've been sliding around where some of the people lower in my list mgiht fall, since sunbae's exit necessitates me to at least move 1 person down into a larger poe

so i don't think its unfair for you to think i could be wolf. and it WOULD be fair for you to question the people above you in my poe if you think you shouldn't be in the bottom 6. but i don' tthink its fair to act like i'm in a tunnel or causing wasted posts right now, especially when we're all very much in a wait-and-see mode right now for the wolfiest players to do something

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Yeah I’m not saying ur in a tunnel or wasting posts

My issue is with some more macro stuff, like for example I was pressing you on not finding Annika or Stett town yesterday. Now they’re ur top 2 town, which yeah I agree with. But fmpov relative to ur reads I’ve only townsided so far so it’s just odd to see me at the bottom fmpov. That’s what I been by getting lost in the sauce because yeah if we take away all the weird stuff I done when it comes down to it I defended the people ur calling ur top town and was the only person talking about the slot who we have seen flip wolf so far.

Also I don’t think any of ur posts are wasted but when you see me post something that’s shady or perhaps uncharitable to you, you will be inclined to reply like you just did. Same for me, so I’m not saying any singular post you made is a waste but it’s moreso that since nobody else is here or pushing the game forward much every time we see each other post we are gonna be inclined to reply to point out what we feel is wrong, like you just did and like I am doing now.

And then we wont have enough posts left for eod or to grill the poe slots,

Like to clarify I don’t think I should be your top town either because I don’t deserve that either

Somewhere between dya and ender is where I’d expect to be on your list not at the bottom lol

when it comes down to giving people cred for the rask push i'm kinda at a loss because he was 0 posting and the role seemed not that strong (unless i don't understand it correctly)

especially if taffy ends up being a wolf

i know that either way the easy answer is that wolves would stack on me instead of bussing, but i think it would be a pretty good move to make to get significant towncred without losing much of value (lol)

rip sunbae, gg

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

[*]maple's eod was terrible IMO. the omgus on annika wasn't good but even worse to me was the conviction and refusal to reconsider--perhps an unfair read since annika wasn't really re-evaling maple either--but a lot of maple's responses just read like "wolf smells blood, sinks teeth deeper into victim", unfounded confidence powerwolf kinda vibes

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idk like, what blood though lol. I can't really figure out what she thought that was accomplishing as a wolf at all? like what on EARTH was the point of that if she is a wolf

taffy claim definitely made eod kinda awkward with the cap/no list. I saw it didn't mention a lift but I never really thought about what that meant. Pre claim I definitely wanted to kill taffy > arctic but I didn't think it was correct to kill the claim d1 so I pivoted arctic even though I wasn't sure I was GIGA into it especially as people I townread were strongly disagreeing, but it was hard to like... talk about it much. I just didn't really know what else to do, killing the 0 poster felt kind of silly and lame. I moved there in the end because I didn't want taffy to go over. idk I felt like I didn't play eod very productively but I felt so stunted I should've saved more posts lol

That said I'm not clearing taffy at all; I think we need more re: the claim today and I agree that in retrospect I can see why people went there at eod? I just didn't think it was correct to kill there d1. I do think this night death and flip does increase odds of her being a wolf somewhat.

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ben stett annika visor pzelda v

then maple and dya are probably v? + waza? Idk I guesssss also arctic?

I didn't find arctic's eod that villagery tbh. I mean it's villagery if taffy is a wolf lol. Otherwise... eh? Feel like I'm missing something. like him going for the pr claim there is a little weird as a wolf regardless but like what was his alternative really?

waza is like almost never a wolf w/ taffy I agree

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Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

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yeah in retrospect I should've just realized that was what we should do earlier just kinda dumb principle-ish stuff it felt wrong. oops lol