Thats fine as is. I just needed clarification.
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Thats fine as is. I just needed clarification.
Judging by Kage's numerous Blacksmith smilies, all coming after ACIN's posts, I'm going to guess Kage means to say ACIN is the black wings killer? Gimmie a nod or a stop to confirm please. :)
there is less than 10 hours left in this 48 hour round and some people have not even hinted that they will vote anytime soon. this is terrible.
beefy looks scummy imo because it is disgusting to get a pass for simply saying "romanic bet is good enough for me." this late into the game.
Two things.
First on the items, as far as I know Kage, BL, and Roman do not have item action slots available, they are full up on night actions. I'm tired of games of not revealing plans and scans and so on but since they can't make use of them and somebody random and possibly untrustworthy should also not get the items, here's my votes:
vote:
Gorilla Vest to Kage (passive so that's fine)
vote:
transporter pad to Earthling
Cute little bunny, cement shoes, torn shirt to ARPThis
I will be able to use the bus driver to protect Roman as usual and the roleblock items can also get used.
It'd be absolutely great if we could get people like Winston to actually vote now before everything gets to the last second. I'm still strongly of the opinion that we need to catch the living scum, Seon is dead and his faction confirmed eliminated and if he does have an ability that makes him still Blackwings, we still need to catch Sephiroth to win the game (and if that hypothetical is true, we might win from just catching Sephiroth alone, not even needing to re-lynch Seon).
If people think Psychonaut is more likely the last chaotic than ACIN, fine, vote up on him, but we all know ACIN could show up and swing the lynch and it's unknown how many credits he actually has. You know unless he's scum he probably shouldn't have any if he spent his on purchased vigilante actions but I'm sure there will be some excuse how that adds up.
For the really unobservant or those who didn't know in advance, I don't have a full 100 credits and don't want anybody misled before it's too late, I can't guarantee ACIN can't outvote me. I will vote an amount that is guaranteed to actually count though so everyone else can adjust according.
Fold.
Bet: 60 credits on ACIN
just super scan me. a serial killer would not be able to evade a super scan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backwards Logic
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Originally Posted by Backwards Logic
Why do I suddenly feel like I'm watching an episode of Lassie?
Did Timmy fall down the old well again? Bark three times if so, girl.
Did his mother cover up the well, so all Timmy could see was a circular ring of light, as he slowly perished in the cold, cold water, as he tore his fingernails from his flesh trying to escape, and now Timmy's vengeful spirit wants you to view a strange videotape documenting the crazy things flashing through his twisted evil mind, and after you watch the tape, you die?
If so, please calculate pi to ten decimal places, girl.
There is nobody like me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
bro, as i told romanic and BL i have a 10% vig item. didnt have to spend credits. romanic and BL can confirm i told them this a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
Nobody is saying you are a serial killer. It's been discussed that you may be Blackwings but it's not proven that he is a serial killer. We're just saying you are scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
And Sephiroth would, you even said you thought so yourself. Desperately trying to get somebody else lynched - anybody else - is the thing that is most really looking like Seph at this point, though I agree can't prove you are not just Blackwings.
Could you answer how many credits you actually have? If you're townie and you claim you spent at least 140 on vigilante kills can't be that much left, plus you also bet some on lynches along the way...
Also, for completeness sake, linking to an old Renata post here that I encourage people to read. It sums up ACIN's posts and lying several times at the start of the game. Zack getting killed not just because of MRD but to take pressure off of ACIN (who conveniently later posted I believe that he had no analysis or stuff he promised to say because Zack and choxorn dying killed some "theory" of his) looks plausible.
Now yes, we know Renata wasn't Innocent but she was trying very hard and I saw nothing in this post that should be discounted due to Renata's alignments, good arguments are good arguments.
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Wouldn't that have been against the rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
And this isn't really believable, escpecially at least with Psychonaut claiming the same (we've had at least 6 or 7 people killed this game on 10% vigilante items? Do we all really believe that? All of you succeeding far better than the odds, if so the town collectively must've had bad luck after all because in comparison defensive and retaliatory items have almost never succeeded) nor again a solid alibi because of second unknown night actions.
ACIN can kill via the Ceremonial Knife. No credits needed to enable vig'ing for him. The question to me is can he really do both the Ceremonial Knife Kill *and* the Black Wings kill simultaneously. That I'm doubtful of overall, but I can't discredit it totally. In any case, credits to him are irrelevant in this context.
:stop:
I feel like I'm playing Charades here... Not ACIN, not Psychonaut, doesn't leave too many others.
Blacksmith -> Grey Blades?
Black is kind of gray, smiths makes blades? Eh, does Greyblades have an in writeup alibi?
Bet: 15 credits on Greyblades
I don't see how you can be doubtful. Really, I don't know what your reasoning is, but the scum most likely have an ability-based kill and unless somebody is proven to do two night actions at once any item or credit based action they could probably do as cover. Everybody has two night actions, again Roman and some others seem to be on the same page that knowing of (or blocking) one isn't enough. To be clear this goes for everyone, I don't know of anyone besides yourself or Roman maybe who is cleared with two actual other actions in a writeup. But we can't let people slide for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backwards Logic
So do we believe that Psychonaut is lying or ACIN or neither (except then we're about out of scum suspects. I assume you are ignoring Greyblades because you did scan him or hear something in private about him that makes you think he's Innocent and just aren't sharing on the thread).
I'm not really sure I can help Kage play twenty questions but he can tell us what he wants at night or I'll let others pursue that, we can probably manage to get him to confirm who he'd actually recommend voting for and that's about all we can do there.
What are your thoughts on the items again? Who is free and who do you trust to use the roleblock and bus driver, otherwise my vote is done.
I just want to point out that for those that might be wondering what the difference is between me and Psycho in terms of killing in the same write up as the killers. Psycho apparently did not check in with BL or Romanic about him killing or who he was going to kill. I told BL and Romanic, I plan on killing Red_Spy tonight, I have a 10% vig item which BL has just said is the ceremonial knife and you will know who I am from the write up involving Red_Spy. That is the difference. Granted I did not check in with Robbiecon but back then I was still skeptical of Romanic for completely following Renata, which you can go back and see.
I disagree about the suspects. We got lurkers in here still. Khaan should speak up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
Also, as I said before FoS on Beefy because I don't think he should slip under the radar for his atrocious reasoning. You do not simply "go with the flow" with less than 10 people left. You bring arguments and ideas, you don't try to ride it out at the end game that is scummy and beefy has been around since the very beginning.
I think we should give all items to Kage except the bus driver, we need people to protect him and he is vulnerable if he is the one holding the bus driver. Chaotics will have to kill me in order to get to them.Quote:
What are your thoughts on the items again? Who is free and who do you trust to use the roleblock and bus driver, otherwise my vote is done.
Vote bus driver items to me
Vote all other items to Kage.
EDIT: If there is a better candidate for the bus driver I am all ears.
Who needs lynchin', Lassie?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I object. Beefy should be :curtain:
Are you German, Winston Hughes? Because those smilies are all in German. "Similie Loewe"
You're such scum. There is no difference between you and Psychonaut killing "in the same writeup." In both cases it doesn't prove a thing unless you have a second proven night action. You're trying to say you were cooperative with other townies, your argument has nothing to do with the write-ups, but really this is a failing of some members of the Innocent group if anything, to know of people carrying out these vig kills on Red_Spy or Believer or Link or Subotan and not say anything when there was good reason to believe many of them were not scum. Nobody gets a free pass for killing other Innocents, it's not solid proof of anything bad on its own either, butsuggesting that proves you are not a scum is laughable. If you'd vig-killed a chaotic or something yourself that would be different, but you didn't.
Between the two of you, Psychonaut as a vigilante who is Innocent seems far more likely. It matches what his faction supposedly would be. It fits with Psychonaut being mostly a lurker, who we know wasn't around and didn't care to vote sometimes, on some faction nobody important cares about the way things went down, going off on his own with his abilities and factional goals. You've lied or mysteriously forgotten about several things when we check back over the early game and all of your votes and actions seem to add up to being scum. It's also really questionable why the scum didn't kill you if you were Innocent, you'd think a rich Innocent free to do whatever at night would have come up as a target by Chaotix or God Emperor at least, they were paying attention. Really it's hard to believe that the chaotics found landlubber or fluffy more of a threat, doubly so because by killing you the scum could have removed more supposed allies of BL and Roman, but the reason you weren't killed being because of your faction and you being one of the killers is far more plausible.
I love your fake little arguments against Beefy and Khaan though, people whose actions and roles are known to everyone far more than your own. It doesn't match their faction, roles, nor their actions that we know of, and they are very likely not chaotic. You're not acting Innocent and you know it, you're trying to throw off suspicion wherever possible and avoid the lynch on yourself or possibly a living scum ally you might have in Greyblades or Psychonaut.
Function > FormQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Nein.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
Oh blah, blah, blah, more meaningless arguing for the sake of saying something. Romanic told me it would be acceptable to kill Red_Spy because Red_Spy never even lurked, it was a dead account and I only killed him for the purpose of notifying BL and Romanic what I was doing that night, and who I was. There are differences in how an action is performed which indicate how scummy or innocent the person is. You can blah, blah, blah about how killing a townie says nothing no matter what, but the fact is I did go the extra mile to work with Romanic and BL and got their approval for Red_Spy and Psycho didn't do any of that. If you won't admit that is a clear difference, then once again you show how stubborn you are and just how wrong you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
If I remember correctly, Romanic himself killed Subotan so again you show you don't know what you are talking about.
Oh so now we know that not voting means he was afk and wasn't doing anything, yet when it comes to killing a townie it doesn't matter what the circumstances are or what the context is, it all means nothing. Then you pull out the ubiquitous "You lied." card and previous arguments show you have absolutely nothing to pin on me besides bad grammar and paragraph structure.Quote:
Between the two of you, Psychonaut as a vigilante who is Innocent seems far more likely. It matches what his faction supposedly would be. It fits with Psychonaut being mostly a lurker, who we know wasn't around and didn't care to vote sometimes, on some faction nobody important cares about the way things went down, going off on his own with his abilities and factional goals. You've lied or mysteriously forgotten about several things when we check back over the early game and all of your votes and actions seem to add up to being scum. It's also really questionable why the scum didn't kill you if you were Innocent, you'd think a rich Innocent free to do whatever at night would have come up as a target by Chaotix or God Emperor at least, they were paying attention. Really it's hard to believe that the chaotics found landlubber or fluffy more of a threat, doubly so because by killing you the scum could have removed more supposed allies of BL and Roman, but the reason you weren't killed being because of your faction and you being one of the killers is far more plausible.
I have no idea why the chaotics decided to kill who they wanted kill, obviously though Earthling knows all about the chaotics and what their reasoning was. For all we know they killed fluffy and landlubber because they were guessing in the dark about who had the bus drivers that thwarted them.
Lol, to you any good defense means they are scum. Oh no one knew anything about MRD, it has to be MRD, even when he revealed himself it was a lie according to you. You accept no proof that doesn't validate your ideas and your motivations are highly suspect on their own.Quote:
I love your fake little arguments against Beefy and Khaan though, people whose actions and roles are known to everyone far more than your own. It doesn't match their faction, roles, nor their actions that we know of, and they are very likely not chaotic. You're not acting Innocent and you know it, you're trying to throw off suspicion wherever possible and avoid the lynch on yourself or possibly a living scum ally you might have in Greyblades or Psychonaut.
Lol, you try to start a big bandwagon on me by betting 100 credits, which is 40 more credits than you even have and then try to portray me as scum when I defend myself and now that your bandwagon failed you have to come back and say oh gee, I don't really have that much money...but it's still ACIN! Lulz.
Hmmm. This is actually kind of interesting. What are you trying to say by that smiley? :7blacksmith:...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
No, everything I've posted is verifiable by people who bother to read. The post of Renata's I linked shows where you deliberately lied about multiple things, as pointed out by Renata, that just happened to be much earlier in the game and some of that stuff forgotten by now.
I think the post of your own where you said that cooperating with a couple townies can't possibly be done by a scum pretending to be town is worth throwing back in your face, but you'd ignore it or lie again.
And one thing for the record, you know (anybody who can read knows, again) I was actually proposing we lynch Jolt for not being evil-aligned after MRD revealed the truth about himself, and I was right. Way to keep lying though.
If you're so set on Psychonaut, put your credits on Psychonaut. Or at least lock in your bet now and promise not to change suspects as a townie would do, but it's very likely you're just wasting time and hope to swing it however you can by changing at the last second.
[QUOTE=Earthling;2053320796]No, everything I've posted is verifiable by people who bother to read. The post of Renata's I linked shows where you deliberately lied about multiple things, as pointed out by Renata, that just happened to be much earlier in the game and some of that stuff forgotten by now.[/QUOTE}
Link please.
Link please. Never remember saying any of that. If I am lying then you are redefining the truth.Quote:
I think the post of your own where you said that cooperating with a couple townies can't possibly be done by a scum pretending to be town is worth throwing back in your face, but you'd ignore it or lie again.
Cool beans, you still got him lynched.Quote:
And one thing for the record, you know (anybody who can read knows, again) I was actually proposing we lynch Jolt for not being evil-aligned after MRD revealed the truth about himself, and I was right. Way to keep lying though.
I already said I am waiting to hear from BL and Romanic before making any more decisions. They have not made a judgement on my theory so why would I abandon it? And if I switched my vote anyway, you would just claim i was pandering and that it further proves I am scum because there is no arguing with you.Quote:
If you're so set on Psychonaut, put your credits on Psychonaut. Or at least lock in your bet now and promise not to change suspects as a townie would do, but it's very likely you're just wasting time and hope to swing it however you can by changing at the last second.
EDIT: Got more uni stuff to take care off. Brb in 2-3 hours.
Quick question ACIN - if you are EVIL, why did you not co-operate more fully with Romanic and BL, who are not only almost confirmed town but also of the same faction as you? Surely that would make them very trustworthy to any outside observer? Hell, revealing your faction in thread after Romanic's revelations wouldn't be a bad move either, instead of sticking to your lone wolf thing :book:
I don't understand, I did cooperate with them. As I have said, I checked in with them about Red_Spy, I told them about my vig item etc. When they asked for info I gave them all the info I had, especially to kage.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
I did not trust Romanic when he was working with renata because I did not trust renata. my posts will show that. I did not trust romanic for a bit after that because I was curious as to how a "good town" person was so trusted by Romanic and others. I felt that perhaps she and the chaotics were running the show for a bit. Then I realized from the attacks on Romanic that it was obvious that he was a evil town person and from that point on I have been cooperative. Since BL was working with Romanic since being revived I didn't feel like I could trust him either until I started to trust Romanic.
The fact that they were the same faction as me, doesn't really matter. I don't really care for the different factions because I think it is just a distraction from the chaotics and I know I am innocent, so if anything I knew one of them (in my mind Romanic) was probably one of the evil guys EDIT:and the other was chaotic. Now I am kind of thinking that ATPG made the evil faction the only faction that doesn't have scum in it because I mean, we are all supposed to be "evil" here and so the evil faction of the evil town is for lack of a better term...the most evil of the evil.
As for the lone wolf thing, I mean, I don't want to get meta here because that just opens a bunch of WIFOM, but in all seriousness, ask around and see how many people would describe my style of playing as anything but "lone wolf". Not many.
Kage is gagged!!
:laugh4:
And I was wondering why he was answering my PMs with smilies. :wall:
Give me a few to catch up with what has been written in the last 10 hours, and I'll post my thoughts, but I'm wondering who could have gagged Kage?!?
Renata got away with one silence item, where's the other? (iirc there was two of these).
I am off to work. Round will end at 0100 whether I am here or not.
Hrm, okay there was only one Gag we knew of, and Renata got away with it, but we've seen two players being silenced on the same day (Earthling and Renata on Day 2, I think), so there's someone else around with that ability.