Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Visor]

Looks like we finally caught Sephiroth then. It's a nice tactic trying to sell out Seon to buy yourself a day though.

Though Greyblades and Psychonaut, it would be great again if you could show up and share just a little bit about yourselves. If you are Innocent it should be no trouble at all, even if you are neutral but non-chaotic you should still do it. You know if you guys yourselves are not chaotic that the list of other people who could be Sephiroth is very short, ie. ACIN.

Actually, you know what?

Fold; Bet 100 credits on Earthling

You need to die. In a hole. With spikes. And fire.

[Diamondeye]

This is so fun

Because I enjoy watching you all suffer.

You guys still guessing who Sephiroth is? Come on. Look at that reply. And he just told you he's lynchable.

[Visor]

Fold

[Backwards Logic]

Visor, unfortunately you need to fold until I can get a true read on Earthling. There's a strong indication that if you kill him enough times he wins, and he's already been been 'killed' three times already. The role is straight out of the Monty Python Holy Grail Mafia at CFC, and as annoying as he can be, we can't take the chance of lynching him and handing him a win.

Psychonaut... You never bothered to contact me or Kage with you vig'ing the inactives. Do you have any idea how bad that is, considering we'd been using them as bus driver fodder while others were relatively confirmed Evil? And three writeups in a row you successfully killed inactives. Considering I doubt you have the cash to pull that off, and I know you haven't gotten any vig items publicly, how are you pulling that off? I'd argue you've done more damage than good, so I want even more details on just how you're killing people. I also want details of your night by night actions, and I also want you to stop killing unless I tell you otherwise. Character details too. The fact you never bothered to contact myself or Kage is just another strike against you, and if I don't get what I want I'll start pushing to have you lynched.

[naut]

Psychonaut... You never bothered to contact me or Kage with you vig'ing the inactives. Do you have any idea how bad that is, considering we'd been using them as bus driver fodder while others were relatively confirmed Evil? And three writeups in a row you successfully killed inactives. Considering I doubt you have the cash to pull that off, and I know you haven't gotten any vig items publicly, how are you pulling that off? I'd argue you've done more damage than good, so I want even more details on just how you're killing people. I also want details of your night by night actions, and I also want you to stop killing unless I tell you otherwise. Character details too. The fact you never bothered to contact myself or Kage is just another strike against you, and if I don't get what I want I'll start pushing to have you lynched.

How am I meant to know you are using them as bus driver fodder, in fact how am I meant to know that you are organising stuff if you don't PM and say: "Do this. Don't do that." How am I killing people? Well, I PM ATPG and say I'd like to kill "insert lurker" tonight. How have I pulled it off? A handy bunch of luck, 9 nights at 20% effectiveness is 1.8 kills, so I'm slightly above average with 3. You want to lynch me? Well ain't that grand, how about you stop faffing about going after the people you can identify as not being Chaotic with a simple cross-reference of what happened each night and start looking at those people you can't do that for.

[Kagemusha]

[Greyblades]

...Since when has kagemusha been mute?... Wait, who do we know has a gag item?

[Kagemusha]

[Backwards Logic]

How am I supposed to tell you who to kill and not kill if, before today, I didn't know you were killing people at night? You certainly could have shot me a pm saying you could kill, yet chose not to and went freelancing. Why?

[Kagemusha]

[Renata]

Don't mind the junior-GM-ing here, but Kage, if you're claiming to have been silenced, you are not allowed to quote posts. You'll have to edit that.

[naut]

How am I supposed to tell you who to kill and not kill if, before today, I didn't know you were killing people at night? You certainly could have shot me a pm saying you could kill, yet chose not to and went freelancing. Why?

I told Kage the day after I killed Believer. He asked if I appeared in any write-ups? I said yes the previous one killing Believer. He asked if I'd found my talent, yes, obviously it is killing. He also asked if I had any items, I said only my initial item. I didn't hear back from him. So I sent in my own orders. The next day he then asked me if I killed dcmort, I said yes, a lurker with about 5 posts isn't very useful at all (edit: looking at the PM I said that it is just giving scum places to hide, and look what has happened, we're left with a bunch of actives, giving whoever is left less places to hide and cast doubt upon. None of these, "oh he's been quite it might be him" WIFOM arguments bandied about.). I didn't hear back from him, so I took up the same tactic and sent in orders to kill Link. As you can see he died, too bad, I guess my 20% chance must be with loaded dice recently.

Now, if you don't mind I tire of this cross-examination. EITHER put your money where your mouth is and lynch me. OR lynch someone that will actually be beneficial.

[shlin28]

Erm... 2/3 of the people you killed had decent amount of posts, if they are still alive they would have surpassed you post count! Vig-ing randomly when there are less than half of the players still alive is a very bad thing

Also, could someone please vote the items to BL or Kage? I don't like the sound of Visorslash getting all those loot!

[Diamondeye]

[Kagemusha]

[Believer]

I told Kage the day after I killed Believer.

I guess I kinda forced your hand on that one, sorry for that. I've had some problems with my health recently which prevented me from using the computer for 2 weeks or so. I hope there's no hard feelings.

[Earthling]

This is such hypocrisy guys. Criticizing Psychonaut on killing lurkers when ACIN's excuse is the same thing - except he didn't even kill lurkers, he killed people like robbiecon who were pretty much known not to be scum. Both of them are equally problematic here. I also don't know why BL or Kage signed off on any of those kills in advance really, with Psychonaut it was apparently on his own but I can't see how we give ACIN credit for killing Innocents who couldn't possibly be the chaotics either.

And there's a second part too, which I don't get why nobody else is even mentioning. Succeeding at a vigilante kill in no way proves that person is not doing a second action. I don't possibly see how people are honestly arriving at that conclusion, especially folks like Romanichine who made such a big deal out of roleblocking and that BOTH a person's actions would have to be accounted for. "I killed somebody with purchased credits action once, therefore I can't have used an innate ability action to do something else the same night?" Do we really believe the scum are incapable of purchasing a vigilante kill by credits? They could easily do that and kill somebody else with their regular kill at the same time. It's really two provable actions that are not the kills the scum carried out or nobody has any alibis from this sort of argument.

Though Psychonaut, you still owe us an explanation of what in the world faction you are on. Is it South Park after all? Don't recall South Park having a vigilante so that's maybe plausible, might as well reveal your item too though. You don't sound like Space at the least with the claimed kill methods. (and again, pretty much all other factions are mathematically impossible without 7 players or something very wrong) Greyblades should really claim too but he is assumedly the Space Mafia at this point.

As for the lynch - well, now that it's confirmed that any dead person can be lynched this seems like an atrocious waste of time. If we break it down, there's no scenario in which it's a good idea to lynch Seon.

-Seon is not Blackwings, we've just wasted a day and left two scum alive. And honestly this seems like a quite high chance anyway.
-Seon is Blackwings, that pretty much confirms Sephiroth is on some "last-chaotic-alive countdown" that we need to stop before we run out of time. It also really doesn't indicate at all that ACIN is Innocent, this would be extremely suspicious for living scum to sell out Seon to buy time. So whether or not ACIN is Sephiroth we'd have to go for one of the Seph candidates today. I think it's believable he would avoid BL's scan at this point and ACIN might be counting on that, waste a day today, get "scanned" by BL but Sephiroth knows he can dodge the scan at this point, then a mislynch tomorrow on not-Sephiroth and we lose. I wouldn't give us more than two days to catch Sephiroth here so we have to get one of the living players.

Love that I'm being defended for terrible and obviously wrong reasons but that happen to coincide with a decent course of action, but that's just an addendum. I really think I could use some of the items myself though and shlin, I will place a vote later, but iirc nobody else has action slots free between Kage/Roman/BL and I do, I could take up the busdriver or roleblock. We'll see, I agree letting Visorslash or somebody equally silly claim then uncontested doesn't help.

But Psychonaut and Greyblades, you're both really not helping here, each in a bit of different ways but still not good. I'd ask everyone else if they think you are more likely to be Sephiroth than ACIN, who fits perfectly, but this nonsense of daring yourself to come and get lynched by Backwards Logic is a waste of time. If you're Innocent, you know you are, and place your credits on another major suspect here. The list is pretty much down to you two and ACIN, with a tinier chance of Visorslash being scum, and everybody else being non-chaotic. Not cooperating is going to get yourselves killed and hurt the Innocents if you are Innocent.

[Greyblades]

But Psychonaut and Greyblades, you're both really not helping here, each in a bit of different ways but still not good. I'd ask everyone else if they think you are more likely to be Sephiroth than ACIN, who fits perfectly, but this nonsense of daring yourself to come and get lynched by Backwards Logic is a waste of time. If you're Innocent, you know you are, and place your credits on another major suspect here. The list is pretty much down to you two and ACIN, with a tinier chance of Visorslash being scum, and everybody else being non-chaotic. Not cooperating is going to get yourselves killed and hurt the Innocents if you are Innocent.

In your opinion, and that hasnt exactly been very helpful. Get one of the confirmed townies to agree with you over my status and maybe I'll consider listening to you.

[a completely inoffensive name]

After having slept on the decision i think that because ATPG has revealed that any bet is legit my theory is looking rather weak. i asked Crazed Rabbit to comment last night but he has not replied. he didnt contribute much anyway. i am going to look at other people tonight. i am personally going to wait until BL or Romanic comments again before i make a bet switch.

about earthling: I do not fit perfectly into the role of seph, you only claimed i was seph after it looked like i had a slam dunk on seon. now that seon is up in the air, the original theory about me being black wings is still testable by having BL scan me.

Also, BL said that your victory condition might be to get "killed" enough times (perhaps one for each limb just like in the movie?) if this is the case, then you are completely not trustworthy and in fact have been leading us in the wrong direction because you are looking for a chaotic victory which will lead to them having to kill you and thus, you winning. you are not scum, but if BL is right in his suspicions, you might as well be working from them. nothing you say should be trusted at all.

Lurkers are not free from suspect, most chaotics survived because they hid within the lurker group.

[Kagemusha]

[a completely inoffensive name]

In your opinion, and that hasnt exactly been very helpful. Get one of the confirmed townies to agree with you over my status as innocent and maybe I'll consider listening to you.

i have been saying you are likely to be innocent since renata was revealed.

[Greyblades]

Also, BL said that your victory condition might be to get "killed" enough times (perhaps one for each limb just like in the movie?) if this is the case, then you are completely not trustworthy and in fact have been leading us in the wrong direction because you are looking for a chaotic victory which will lead to them having to kill you and thus, you winning. you are not scum, but if BL is right in his suspicions, you might as well be working from them. nothing you say should be trusted at all.

Uh, actually I think he allready lost all of his limbs when he was lynched.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Uh, actually I think he allready lost all of his limbs when he was lynched.

im actually on my phone in my uni class, can you look it up and double check that?

[Kagemusha]

[Greyblades]

im actually on my phone in my uni class, can you look it up and double check that?

Sure, I cant actually quote it because you cant quote a closed thread but I copyed and pasted.
From: Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: Summary and Information Thread day five.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And so it was, on the 18th hour of the fifth day since they traveled to The Purgatory, that the one known as Earthling would finally receive the justice he so richly deserved, or at least that is what most everyone thought. And spotteth twice they the camels before the third hour. And so the Midianites went forth to Ram Gilead in Kadesh Bilgemath by Shor Ethra Regalion, to the house of Gash-Bil-Betheul-Bazda, he who brought the butter dish to Balshazar and the tent peg to the house of Rashomon, and there slew they the goats, yea, and placed they the bits in little pots.



Angelic One: "Who is it you have determined through logic and reason to be guilty?"


And so the peasants pointed to the one known as Earthling that is called Earthling.


But Earthling was not amused, and he shouted out at them, and called them all silly Kniggits. This did not persuade the crowd to spare his life, and so they advanced. He stood his ground.



Angelic One: "Earthling, you have been judged to be a criminally psychotic chaotic, and also a witch. How do you plead?"


Earthling just stared back in silence.



Angelic One: "I said, how do you plead?"



More silence.



Angelic One: "You are indeed brave, sir Knight, but I must inform you that you're going to die."



Earthling stared off, not even acknowledging the Angelic One.



Angelic One: "Do you have any last words?"


Earthling: None shall pass.



Angelic One: "What?"



Earthling: None shall pass!



Angelic One: "Interesting. Very well, seize him."



And so the entire mob descended upon Earthling, bashing him with clubs, slashing him with claws, firing bullets at him, but nothing seemed to faze the Knight. Finally, the Angelic One unsheathed a gigantic blade, and prepared to cleave the Knight into pieces.


The Angel slashed at Earthling, cutting off his remaining arm. The Angel sheathed his sword again, and stood victorious. But Earthling kicked him in the head, sending him sprawling to the ground.


Angelic One: "The battle is mine. Stop this foolishness."


Earthling: "Ooooh, had enough eh?"


Angelic One: "Stop that."


Earthling: "Chicken! CHICKEN!!! BRAWWKKK BUCK BUCK BUCK BRAWWWK!"


Angelic One: "It's over, I've won."


Earthling: "No you haven't."


Angelic One: "Look you stupid idiot, you've got no arms left!"


Earthling: "Yes I have!"


Angelic One: "LOOK!!!"


Earthling: "It's just a flesh wound. Come on, ya pansy!"



And so the Angelic one unsheathed his sword and cleaved off Earthling's leg.


Angelic One: "There. Now, do you yield?"


Earthling: "I'M INVINCIBLE!!!"


Angelic One: "Right. I'll have your other leg."


And so the Angelic one cleaved off Earthling's other leg.

Earthling: "What do you say we call it a draw?"


The Angelic One just walked away, completely annoyed.

[Jolt]

~Since I decided to take the red pill and got to see who's who, I'm afraid I can't contribute anymore to this game. Best of luck to everyone, and I'll be watching in the sidelines.

Should anyone still try to revive my character, ATPG will replace me with someone else.

[a completely inoffensive name]

good work on that info Greyblades, now i am left wondering what basis BL's suspicion about earthling is on...

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: All items to Backwards Logic

I'm back, and have just read up-to-date again. Reckon I deserve some kind of medal for enduring the wall-'o-text-athon in such condensed time periods.

Now, firstly, I'm inclined to vote: all items to Kage. I assume he'll be able to resume talking after nightfall, so as to make best use of them, right?

I'm also wondering if it might be worth creating an easy code for our wordless friend to tell us beyond any doubt who he thinks should be lynched today (assuming that is allowed). Please respond with a if you'd like that done, Kage.

In other news, I discover with amusement that my predecessor's vote for the deceased Seon is now being regarded as a potentially game-changing moment. I wish I could tell you that it was based upon some nugget of inside info or a flash of genius, but I have no reason to believe it was anything more than a silly error on his part. Whether or not it is significant, I'm unsure, but ACIN's argument doesn't sound completely whacko to me.

Another thing that might be relevant to some of the discussions here: I robbed Psychonaut the night before last, and only got 8 credits, as there were no more available to steal.

Back later for more.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, which player are you voting all items to?

I'll mark that down as voting them to Backwards Logic, as you said his name first and didn't unvote.

[Winston Hughes]

Darn, you're quick.

I meant to vote them to Kage. The BL thing was the first thing I typed, before thinking things through, and I didn't notice I'd left it there. I've edited the post to reflect that, but I can revote if you prefer.