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Seal the borders, allow limited aid and no trade and bomb them with F16s killing a few hundred. The respond with the usual crappy motar attacks that kill one or two.
The Israelis really just expect the Pals to go away and give them the 'ancient lands of Israel' (lets not even start on the historical lulz that brings up)... and let's not forget the Pals don't actually exist. They are made of string and paper.
Bye rest in pieces hope it hurts like hell, they have had their chance but they just can't help shooting rockets. tada.
The complaint is that Israel uses airplanes to deliver their munitions, when they should limit themselves, in retaliatory attacks, to land-based mortars and rockets ala their opponents?
In the spirit of 'fair play', I suppose.
I love the Middle East. It's like a classic Sitcom, two housemates, fundementally the same and yet so different. Always bound to fight and squabble as the world watches on.
Huzzah I say! Makes for some entertaining TV.
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'fair play'? Israel's using what she's got. I admit it's a little bit of overkill, but it'd be like the All Blacks playing without McCaw, Sivivatu, and Nonu. It might be "fair play", but that wouldn't be an interesting match.Quote:
The complaint is that Israel uses airplanes to deliver their munitions, when they should limit themselves, in retaliatory attacks, to land-based mortars and rockets ala their opponents?
In the spirit of 'fair play', I suppose.
Yeah, here's two the Israelis didn't get a chance at...Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Fair enough it's retaliation for mortar attacks but come on, those mortars are hardly capable of killing any one on a big scale, that's in comparison the F 15's dropping much bigger bombs. And by blocking of aid that's just targeting innocent civilians.
If you listen to what Hamas are saying there not going any where, the only people being hurt by Israel's actions are the innocent Palestinians and with every bomb that is dropped more people decide to take up arms and fight Israel. These air strikes will do nothing other than escalate an already dire situation.
It leads you to ask though with Israel's new policies on Bedouin settlers in it's country and it's continuous attacks on the Palestinian people are we seeing the complete dispelling of Arabs and Muslims from a land which they held and have claim to far longer than any Jewish settlers. the best solution would be for Israel to agree to the original 1947 U.N partition borders. If they were attacked then I wouldn't have as much of a problem as I do now but the fact they've gone past these borders and still continue to inflict so much misery on the people of Palestine simply disgusts me.
They. All the Palestinians?Quote:
Bye rest in pieces hope it hurts like hell, they have had their chance but they just can't help shooting rockets. tada.
Why not put them all under a nice shower while you're at it?
A number of topping 200 is killed. So, what's out there to justify ? I'm interested.
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"Hamas' continued rocket attacks into Israel must cease if the violence is to stop. Hamas must end its terrorist activities if it wishes to play a role in the future of the Palestinian people.
"The United States urges Israel to avoid civilian casualties as it targets Hamas in Gaza."
That's a quote from a whitehouse spokesmen. All be it no one is at all surprised by the US bias towards Israel.
So when the Palestinians fire mortars it's a disgusting act of terrorism but when Israel bombs the living day lights out of them there just pursued with the careful reminder to not kill quite so many civilians.
You know maybe if the worlds super power wasn't so biased and anti Palestine the middle east peace process might actually get some where. It never will though as long as the US government continues to support and fund these Israeli raids.
https://img175.imageshack.us/img175/...dleeastwa2.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
Yes, because Hamas is targeting civilians. Israel is targeting terrorists who hid among civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
CR
So, that justifies them killing civilians in the progress?Quote:
Yes, because Hamas is targeting civilians. Israel is targeting terrorists who hid among civilians.
It gives them a lot more justification than Hamas gets. Makes me wonder why people defend Hamas, but I suppose insanity helps the world goQuote:
Originally Posted by Hax
downaround.
200 dead and 700 wounded for 2 dead people is a bit of an unjust response...
Its also amazing how Israel, with surgical precision strikes manages to kill all overwhelmingly larger ratio of civilians than Hamas with their unguided rockets...
I dont care who is right and who is wrong, they are both wrong if you ask me. But using an f-15 instead of a IED doesn't make you any less of a terrorist.
herr adolf must be laughing his arse off from Hell. A shame for a people who were the victims of a holocaust...
At least theoretically, Israel targets specific Hamas people and locations in response to random shelling from Hamas. The methods of the former seem clumsy at best, while the latter's is evil from the start.Quote:
200 dead and 700 wounded for 2 dead people is a bit of an unjust response...
However, would marching into Gaza and putting a bullet in two random Palestinians be any better of a response? It would certainly be numerically equal.
Seasons greetings. :no:
This is not about of who has the most justification to bomb other people, it's about that they neither have justification. You don't have justification when it comes to killing innocents.Quote:
It gives them a lot more justification than Hamas gets. Makes me wonder why people defend Hamas, but I suppose insanity helps the world go down around.
Well it would mean 198 less dead...I like it... Ideally they would target Hamas people of course but I m asking too much now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
I dont think that logic has any place in the Israel-Arab conflict. Slaughtering hundreds of innocents as retaliation is a no-no in my book though. I condemn it as much as I will condemn the resulting suicide attack that will kill 20-30 Israelis as retaliation.
can´t we just blow both sides up and call it a day?
this is getting fastidious and I really don´t care anymore to be honest....there are no "good guys" on either side of that conflict...and I have been there personally.
why don't we just force everyone out of Israel, and set up a giant theme park?
Yes, not exactly proportionate, which makes you wonder, why does Hamas launch rocket salvos in the first place? I think that's an important question every pro-intifada person needs to ask themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
Larger ratio? I think not. Larger amount? It would seem so.Quote:
Its also amazing how Israel, with surgical precision strikes manages to kill all overwhelmingly larger ratio of civilians than Hamas with their unguided rockets...
Indeed, it is the target and intentions that make the difference.Quote:
I dont care who is right and who is wrong, they are both wrong if you ask me. But using an f-15 instead of a IED doesn't make you any less of a terrorist.
CR
I read about the supposed-to-be minimal incursion days ago, thinking 'yeah, minimal, like 10-20 dead'. :skull:
The 200-some dead are not all civilians. According to Hamas itself, at least 140 of the dead are Hamas militants.
This is sickening and utterly reprehensible. Until the US tells Israel that enough is enough and force them to recognise they are responsible for so much more than the Palestinians this will continue while the US turns a blind eye.
Oh, the poor oppressed Palestinian civilians being forced to kill evil Israelis who are egged on by the even more evil American Empire...Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Come off it. Hamas refuses to renew a ceasefire and shells Israeli towns. Israel responds by killing (mostly) Hamas militants, and this according to Hamas.
Link to something about this?
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According to Hamas itself, at least 140 of the dead are Hamas militants.
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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
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Most of those killed were policemen in the Hamas militant movement, which controls Gaza, but women and children also died, the Gaza officials said.
Various sources:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mhsncwausngb/Quote:
Hamas police spokesman Ehad Ghussein said about 140 Hamas security forces were killed.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ml_israel_palestinians/2008/12/27/165615.html
Yahoo News:
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But earlier in the day, police said about 140 Hamas security forces were killed.
Yeah. You'd think the thought of a couple of bomb carrying fighter planes would make one think twice, but apparently that's wishful thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
That might do the trick.Quote:
why don't we just force everyone out of Israel, and set up a giant theme park?
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The road to hell is paved with "good" intentions.Quote:
Indeed, it is the target and intentions that make the difference.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Oh but it was all so different when it was the IRA wasn't it?
America didn't take such a hard line then and I wonder why..
The IRA had completely different goals, objectives, and reasoning behind their war in Ireland. Read-up.Quote:
Oh but it was all so different when it was the IRA wasn't it?
America didn't take such a hard line then and I wonder why..
Most of the dead were Hamas security and police forces, but many were also civilians, including children. Gaza hospitals are overwhelmed with the casualties. The strikes were expected for Sunday, but were done earlier to increase casualties, in what is now clearly the first step to escalation of the conflict. Given how crowded Gaza is, it is effectively a city of one million people, avoiding civilian casualties is practically impossible.
A bombing attack like this can do a fair bit of damage, as it did, but Hamas will now disperse its people and assets, and future bombings will be less effective. The leaders killed will be replaced, and not by moderates. The missile attacks (which are scary but essentially ineffective) will continue. Gazans will hate Israelis even more. To get anything "meaningful" accomplished Israel has to invade on foot because they have to search for the missiles and the missile production centers.
But when they do that, they put themselves at risk because Hamas has destroyed Israeli tanks in the past...
Re unification of Northern Ireland with the republic of Ireland even though the majority of people in Northern Ireland remained unionists? Killing innocent civilians in attempts to get their point across?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
And imagine what would of happened if the British reacted like Israel is now. After bloody Sunday there were world wide protests and the Brits were labelled murderers. The same can be said for the death of Bobby Sands there were huge protests then as well and again the British were made to look like criminals.
The only difference is the IRA were seen as good ol' Irish fighting the repressive British whilst instead Hamas are seen as Muslim extremists who want to cause the apocalypse.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter? In the case of the IRA who were perceived by the west as freedom fighters and Hamas who are seen in the eyes of the west as terrorists.
great. now you are comparing israelis to nazis. i take offense at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
more to come from me.
true. war has casualties. civilian casualties are horrible to inflict, but sometimes its unavoidable and sometimes even necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guildenstern
to quote from David Kenyon Webster (im paraphrasing here), from the book Parachute Infantry:
these people want aid, but dont want to stop the tyrants and maniacs who are controlling them. until they throw off the maniacs, they will have to suffer.Quote:
"i dont know why you want this war to be over so fast. we need to bring the war to the germans, fight in their streets, bomb their houses and leave dead in the streets. unless we show them how cruel war is, they will always have hate in them, and this will create the next war."
this is israels strategy. hopefully the Palestinians in gaza will elect a peaceful government, then peace can reign. but as long as hamas is in power, nothing doing.
also, AFAIK, israel isnt deliberately targeting civilians, or at least not all the time. they are targeting hamas, who hides among civilians. in this case, civilian deaths are unavoidable.
and precision bombing isnt always precise.
Okay, another question for the pro-intifada folks - why would you support Hamas when, in response to this attack they are going to attack even more civilians in Israel? Why is just stopping their constant terrorist attacks such an impossibility to even consider?
CR
While I have been agreeing with defending the Palestinians all this time, I do believe that there is no political will for the Hamas to cope with the present situation, that Israel will stay in the map. Having said that, Hamas have brought the attack on themselves, I find myself agreeing with this intervention. If I was in Livni's office, I'd order the strike as well. I think it's about time Hamas takes the peaceful route, and it isn't with rockets firing off and no retaliation that we're going to get anywhere. I think Israel needs to make clear to Hamas that peace, flawed as it may be, is preferable to war. And I do support the Palestinian people. Fatah is doing what's right, I think. Trying to sort out this mess and create a unified, independent, sovereign state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Pityfully, I myself agreeing with this. Hamas is as intransigent as it gets and allowed attacks on Israeli civilians while Israel didn't do any such thing. The Gaza people must elect Fatah for this cycle of wars to (hopefully) change for good.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
I admit, I giggled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Maybe if the "international" community had actually acknowledged the fair election win by Hamas a few years back rather than block them off completely because they didn't like the result of a democratic election, things would have been different.
And stopping now would just show weakness - something their leadership cannot afford at this point when the populace is out for revenge.
Disproportionate force was used, let's face it, and continuing to bomb through the night after first calls for a cease fire is not helping.
Its funny , thats what they said all the time with the PLO , then when the PLO wasn't in power they financed a coup and gave them guns .Quote:
until they throw off the maniacs, they will have to suffer.
this is israels strategy. hopefully the Palestinians in gaza will elect a peaceful government, then peace can reign. but as long as hamas is in power, nothing doing.
BTWErrr.....thats collective punishment isn't it ? thats illegal isn't it ?Quote:
they will have to suffer.
this is israels strategy.
which is hilarious when you think good old uncle adolf really loved the old collective punishment but you errrrr........when the obvious is stated .Quote:
i take offense at this.
So back to the obvious question in relation to the main topic .
Is Israels bombing strategy going to work ?
Not bloody likely . Hamas will remain in Gaza and probably extend their level of support in the West Bank .
So once again Israel repeats its mistakes and not only fails to win militarily it gets another bloody big PR disaster for good measure .
But hey elections coming up so you gotta just bomb something eh:yes:
I m not comparing. I am saying that from a people that survived a holocaust I would expect greater sensitivity about the loss of innocent human life as a punitive measure. I come from a place were Jewish people were practically decimated by Nazis and never recovered (Thessaloniki), their cultural influence is almost lost. I know their loss. I m not saying Israelis act as Nazis but I would expect them to act more humane since they suffered from such courses of action.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
I never saw Israel blowing up a whole illegal settlement and there are criminal elements on many of them too.
Hitler was doing the exact same thing you know. Whenever a German patrol was killed by resistance in Greece, the Nazis would go to the nearest village and execute 20 times the people who died. Do you think it helped the Nazis? As will happen with the attack in Gaza, a 1000 angry people who lost friends and relatives will join Hamas....
how many of those 'civilians' job was holding a kalshnikov or making bombs?
i supported killing terrorists then too.Quote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
america's tacit support kept their funding going much longer than it should have.
Fixed it for ya .Quote:
i supported terrorists then too.
Britains tacit support kept their funding going much longer than it should have.
The fact that hamas was elected makes me kinda less concerned about civilians. This is what they wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
I always find it humourous when people try to compare Hamas/Futah/Hezbolah with the IRA. Apples and oranges, people.
The fact that the Knesset is elected makes me less concerned about civilians. This is what they wanted. Isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Two can play at that game.
I hate thinking it, but I just don't really see the point of caring anymore. Its like neither side will listen to reason, instead they are so entrenched in their own ignorance that its pointless to even feel sorry for them anymore. I feel terrible for any innocent that has to put up with the completely insane politics of that region.
An interesting idea , people elected Hamas because they wanted to be bombed not because Hamas was itself running food programs , healthcare and social welfare payments while the principle opposition had sunk to new levels of corruption .Quote:
The fact that hamas was elected makes me kinda less concerned about civilians. This is what they wanted.
Errrrr...hold on , your arguement doesn't seem to hold any water Frag as it seems to be kinda full of great big holes .
So? They still want to kill jews, jews don't want to be killed, tada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
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So? They still want to kill jews, jews don't want to be killed, tada.
So ? people elected to the knesset still want to kill arabs , arabs don't want to be killed , tada .
So is that an arguement you are presenting or is it an overused wornout sieve ?
If Israel wanted arabs dead they would be dead. I find it so incredibly unfair, it's blaming Israel for not being helpless, maybe they should just roll over?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No it is not blaming Israel for not being defenceless , its blaming Israel for trying the same old crap again when they know it doesn't work .
And not only do they know it doesn't work , they know it is counterproductive ...that is really an accurate definition of being a stupid idiot isn't it
What do you suggest they do? If they do nothing it will be seen as weakness, this is never going to stop it's the frontline of a much bigger battle, these are indeed surgical strikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Hey, wasn't this what they tried to do in Lebanon back in the day? During Hezbollah's defense of Lebanon? In 2006, more Lebanese civilians were killed than Israeli.Quote:
If Israel wanted arabs dead they would be dead.
Actually, Hamas itself describes their conflict with Israel as being political, and not religious or anti-semitic.Quote:
So? They still want to kill jews, jews don't want to be killed, tada.
Oh, do they. Must be that then they describe it as such after all. I say deal with it good they have had their chance but lack the self-restraint for peace, the desire to kill is too strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
and stay down
So, you're basically saying we shouldn't trust Hamas on what they say? I think that make this untruthful as well:
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Hamas police spokesman Ehad Ghussein said about 140 Hamas security forces were killed.
It will all end badly anyway, only the Gaza civilians will suffer.
Look what happened in Lebanon. The Israeli military which has been pay rolled and funded in billions by the US couldn't defeat Hezboulla on the ground who were armed with a couple of AK's.
To be honest I might care a bit more for Israel if they actually tried to get along with there Muslim neighbours but the thing is they don't. The Arab league of country's called for an agreement where by Israel would keep the land planned out In the original partition plan for Israel. Israel of course refuse and instead of meeting it's neighbours with meetings just prefer to drop bombs on them.
Also people seem to think that they some how have superior claim to the land. What you have to remember the idea of Israel and Zionism was active long before the holocaust and Jewish settlers were arriving long before then to. How I see Israel is imagine if immigrants were coming to your country then all of a sudden decided that your land was now there's because they have religious claim to it. The whole situations is just getting ridiculous.
The fact is Israel can push there weight around in the region as long as the US continues to support them, and don't get it wrong that the US are glad to do this as long as they keep their puppet in the middle east.
Has Israel declared war? Has it recognised Gaza and it's government as sovereign?
No to both - therefore any 'act of war' is in fact collective punishment and not only illegal but immoral.
Uh, that's little different. Executing twenty times the people who died (or carrying out any kind of reprisals in that nature) is wrong. Killing a large amount of enemy combatants in a series of surgical strikes is not wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
Yes, it is, especially when there are civilians threatened.Quote:
Killing a large amount of enemy combatants in a series of surgical strikes is not wrong.
Enemy combatants do not wear uniform according to their fickle definition. Hamas police, security forces and politicians certainly do. And politicians as targets is just about the same as assassination and killing civilians.
a few AK's? how about that, RPGs, rockets, and more arms sent by iran? hm? not only that, israel did a huge mistake and listened to world opinion, which condemned it for the invasion into lebanon. and if olmert wasnt such a wimp and didnt restrict the IDF, then things would have turned out differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
have you looked at the original UN partition plan? it splits israel in two- half palestinian, half jewish. but the jewish part is pretty split up, and each of the 3 main jewish areas are thinly connected. bad position for us. and trans jordan was given to the palestinians as well, remember. so of course israel refused. we were originally in the original partition plan, but then the arab states attacked us hours after the country called israel was established. most of the wars israel was in with its neighbors were started by the arab states. the war for independence, the six day war (israel did a pre-emtive strike- dont tell me israel started it, because you know its false- egypt and syria were stockpiling arms and tanks, ready for an attack) and the yom kippur war. only in the past 2 decades or so israel had been the aggressor, like lebanon and such. btw we are peaceful right now, and probably for a while, with egypt and jordan, and to a certain extent, syria. at least thats what i gather.Quote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
reminds me of the US, doesnt it? technically israel has more right to be in israel than the US does in north america. and what does the zionism movement have to do with anything? btw there have been jews there since the bible. never has there been no jews in the land. we have always been a minority, but still there, since the 2nd temple destruction. we believe that we have a right to the land, just like the indians have a right to N. America.Quote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
by your same logic, we should give back all the indians lands back which the settlers bought/took/conquered. right?
same concept.
only when they realized the PLO was less worse than hamas, if im understanding you correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
arent sending rockets at israeli civilians also "illegal?"Quote:
BTW
Errr.....thats collective punishment isn't it ? thats illegal isn't it ?
which is hilarious when you think good old uncle adolf really loved the old collective punishment but you errrrr........when the obvious is stated .
please, the illegal thing isnt really going to work here. just like the joker in The Dark Knight , hamas has no rules. trying to play by the rules while you enemy has none wont help you. it will only make things worse. now, im not saying that you should go out and massacre civilians, but dont be afraid to throw that grenade at the terrorist who is hiding behind that child.
technically anyone who aids a combatant becomes one him/herself, so i guess it is right to send that missile at the group of women who are shielding the terrorists.
what annoys me is that people arent as upset when a suicide bomber blows himself up in a crowded israeli pizzeria, but go all up in arms when an israeli rocket, targeting combatants, accidentally kills some civilians.
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Not accidentally. If they really thought there would not be civilian casualties, they'd be either naïve or fools. I'd like to think the first, though.
Alright, that's good! Let's also just shoot anyone with a basement, they might have terrorists in there.Quote:
technically anyone who aids a combatant becomes one him/herself, so i guess it is right to send that missile at the group of women who are shielding the terrorists.
So, we've come to the "right" point. I think you have about the same right to live in a place, as I have to stab you multiple times in the face and then set your corpse alight? Are we on the same page here?
So you say that the Jews have the God-given right to live in Palestine. Okay, sure, no problem. However, it goes wrong when they force people out of Palestine. If you deny that Israel did force Palestinians from their homes, I will not get into further argument with you.
There is nothing "surgical" in the Israeli raids of these days. They are the closest thing there is to a full-scale war between Israel and Hamas. This is definitely the harshest Israeli assault on Gaza since the territory was captured during the Six-Day War in 1967.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
I believe this sums up my view on this conflict, from both sides.
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Originally Posted by Dhammapada
Until the people there say "Enough!" and beats up their politicians and generals for not delivering them peace these kind of news don't impress me.
I would say "Wow!" and would be surprised if I would hear that Israel have sent humanitarian help to the Palestinians instead of tanks.
The Pals were offered a choice of corrupt and failed Fatah or an organised and active Hamas who had delivered extensively on grassroots projects. Israel and the US decided that this was the 'wrong' kind of democracy and shut down the fledgling Pal state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
Yeah...as surgical as a 90 year old neighborhood butcher with parkinson's...after a few pints...Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
really? hamas was only for the advancement of the palestinian people? how about that, and the destruction of israel? dont leave out the fact that hamas wants israel destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
wait. how would you know that they are surgical or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guildenstern
and how do you know this is the harshest raid on gaza? have you been a participant in every raid on gaza since the six-day war?
and how do you know that israeli raids havent been surgical?Quote:
Yeah...as surgical as a 90 year old neighborhood butcher with parkinson's...after a few pints...
Its the middle bloody east...Everyone wants everyone else destroyed since 7000 bcQuote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
Way to go Idaho :2thumbsup:Quote:
No to both - therefore any 'act of war' is in fact collective punishment and not only illegal but immoral.
errrr...before which Hamas was encouraged as a counter to the loony PLO:dizzy2:Quote:
only when they realized the PLO was less worse than hamas, if im understanding you correctly.
Bugger me sideways hooah you give it the big "I am jewish" but you are frigging clueless about Israel .
You are nearly as bad as that Kach supporting idiot son of a star who used to post .
Yes , who has said it isn't ?Quote:
arent sending rockets at israeli civilians also "illegal?"
errrrrr.....yes it does unless Israel pulls out of all the agreements and organisations that define the legality , oh sorry I was wrong , in one part they are safe because their blind friend has a veto .Quote:
please, the illegal thing isnt really going to work here.
Well spotted :dizzy2:
Thats part of the discussion you ....( I ain't allowed to say Jim Henson creation anymore am I?)
Actually it will .Quote:
hamas has no rules. trying to play by the rules while you enemy has none wont help you.
Absolute bollox .Quote:
it will only make things worse.
You really havn't the faintest idea what you are talking about .Quote:
technically anyone who aids a combatant becomes one him/herself
Might I humbly suggest that you drop that typical Brooklyn "I am a Jew" rubbish and attempt to look at the position with open eyes ?
no, i meant that if you see a terrorist, and he is hiding behind a child, then i would throw a grenade at them, if carefully shooting the terrorist without hurting the child isnt an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
ill concede that israel did evict SOME palestinians. not all. but then again so did other countries, like the US, and im sure i can think of others in die time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
also, would you have a problem if the arabs were successful in 1948 and they forced out the israeli settlers, who "invaded" what was then called Palestine?
i think you mean "Bar Kochba."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
sadly israel turns to the wrong people. they turn to the opponent of the one in power. and when did i proclaim recently that because i am jewish i do know more?
so before we get into name calling, which im sure is against the rules, im going to ignore this little comment.
considering you arent coming down no where near as harsh on them.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
as before, prove it. where has it worked? certainly not in iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
You really havn't the faintest idea what you are talking about .
Might I humbly suggest that you drop that typical Brooklyn "I am a Jew" rubbish and attempt to look at the position with open eyes ?[/QUOTE]
might i humbly suggest you stop posting with contempt?
ok, so just to make things easier for everyone, what exactly is you position on israel, or as you like to ignorantly call it, "Palestine?"
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I support Israel merely because they are able to further US interests. If another country in the region was able to do that better then, I say we give the money to them. I don't care for the Israelis nor the Palestinians. Let them kill each other off.
There's a statement of Realpolitik I can understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
More on topic missiles rarely cleanly kill terrorists - especially in a "target rich environment". IMO security guards in a place with rampant unemployment are not legitimate targets.
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