Hellenistic rulers: conceivable epithets

The custom of numbering rulers for distinction was not introduced yet in ancient times, so epithets were used to distinguish rulers with the same name, like Soter, Philadelphos, Epiphanes or Nikator. These also served to create a certain impression about the given rulers personality or exploits.
As we are altering history in our games I think it would only be appropriate for our rulers to receive epithets, too, ones that might not have been actually used, but are conceivable enough to assume they could have been.:book:

As some of you perhaps know am I writing a seleucid AAR now and then. Until now I have used historical epithets for my kings, because they were already born at the campaign's start, but this will change once non-historical kings get their turn. So, now I decided to open this threat as kind of a brainstorming about how a hellenistic ruler might call himself and I'm counting on our ancient greek experts to help with the correct translation :beam:

I've been thinking about things like "the enlightened" or "the benevolent", but I seem to be lacking imagination and inspiration at the moment, so I'd like to hear your ideas. :yes:
Please help to give all our hellenistic kings more personality and share your wisdom! :2thumbsup:

Soter, Nikator, an name based on one's homeland/hometown (eg. Persikos, Baktrios, Athenaios), Theos, Philometor, Philopator, Epiphanes, Eupator, many more...

What about colours? like Antiochus the red (in greek obviously, i know no greek other than what i have seen in eb)...could be awfuly sun burnt or a drunkard etc.
Short, tall, fat, strong, smart

Far sighted would be good for a meticulously planning FM.

Stolen from Wiki as I am not Hellenistic expert.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes
He assumed divine epithets, which no other Hellenistic king had done, such as Theos Epiphanes("God Manifest") and after his defeat of Egypt, Nikephoros("Bearer of Victory")[2]. But his often eccentric behavior, capricious actions and even insanity led some of his contemporaries to call him Epimanes ("The Mad One"), a word play off of his title Epiphanes.

He was the one invading Ptolomaic Egypt to be met on the way to Alexrandria by an old Roman and his cane...

Easier to be Roman, campaign somewhere and get/take that name, Scipio Africanus most famously.

Εξαιρετικά ο μακρύς

Thanks to all of you for your contributions, but, urm...
What does this mean?

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Εξαιρετικά ο μακρύς

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Is that Greek or Russian?

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Originally Posted by Olaf Blackeyes

Is that Greek or Russian?

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LOL Greek Btw, the script with which Russia is written with is Cyrillic.

I like Monophthalmos.

A bit off-topic but I had a really cool Arverni FM with the title oi Neamha. Neamha meaning the berserker. He also had a couple of interesting traits like loving to have blood baths...

I know he wasnt Greek, but once you get a Roman emperor called Caligula then surely its time to leave all these grandiose clever titles by the wayside.

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Originally Posted by Lysimachos

Thanks to all of you for your contributions, but, urm...
What does this mean?

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Something about being 'very long.'

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Something about being 'very long.'

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Wow, I suppose that might be good for the gym-runner dude?

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Something about being 'very long.'

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Actually, that means 'exceptionaly long'. More appropriate would be ΜΑΚΡΥΣ (long) or ΜΑΚΡΥΤΑΤΟΣ (longest), even though I don't think it was used for height.

'The Red' would be 'ΕΡΥΘΡΟΣ' and 'Enlightened' would be (I believe) 'ΠΕΦΩΤΙΣΜΕΝΟΣ'. I'll have to think about other ones:book:

Maion

This is a very intersting thread, especially for all AAR writers, so I would like to ask the greek-speakers for a few more:
"Freedom-giver" - would that be "Eleutheroforos"?
"Conqueror of India" - would that be "Indikoiketes"? (a la Demetrios Poliorketes :inquisitive:???)
"The Founder" - ???
"The Pater Patrie" - ???
"The Lackland" - ???
"The Protector" - ???
"The Liberator" - ???
"The Cruel" - ???
"The Conqueror" - ???
"The Warmonger" - ???
"The Cruel" - ???
"The Vanquisher of Parthians/Medes/Persians" - ???

Basicaly whatever comes to your mind, throw it out here! :whip::yes:

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Originally Posted by V.T. Marvin

This is a very intersting thread, especially for all AAR writers, so I would like to ask the greek-speakers for a few more:
"Freedom-giver" - Eleutherodotes (ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΟΔΟΤΗΣ)
"Conqueror of India" - Kataktetes Indias (ΚΑΤΑΚΤΗΤΗΣ ΙΝΔΙΑΣ)
"The Founder" - Propator or Protoktistes (ΠΡΟΠΑΤΩΡ, ΠΡΩΤΟΚΤΙΣΤΗΣ)
"The Pater Patrie" - Pater Patridos (ΠΑΤΗΡ ΠΑΤΡΙΔΟΣ)
"The Lackland" - Not sure about that one
"The Protector" - Proaspistes would be fine (ΠΡΟΑΣΠΙΣΤΗΣ)
"The Liberator" - Apeleutherotes (ΑΠΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΩΤΗΣ)
"The Cruel" - Baryphron (ΒΑΡΥΦΡΩΝ)
"The Conqueror" - Kataktetes (ΚΑΤΑΚΤΗΤΗΣ)
"The Warmonger" - Not sure here, but 'Polemochares' (ΠΟΛΕΜΟΧΑΡΗΣ) (war-loving) would be a good subtitute
"The Vanquisher of Parthians/Medes/Persians" - Nikesas Parthon/Medon/Person (ΝΙΚΗΣΑΣ ΠΑΡΘΩΝ/ΜΗΔΩΝ/ΠΕΡΣΩΝ)

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Here, see the bold parts. Oh and good luck with your AAR again mate:thumbsup:

Maion

I think he meant "pater patriae", "father of the fatherland/homeland".

Edited that one, thanks machinor:thumbsup:

Maion

Well I seem to have a few ideas:

Maybe...
"The butcher"
"The horseman"
"The Elder, The younger" (not to original but it could fitt)
"The warrior" - maybe ideal for Spartans:laugh4:
"The poet"
"The philosopher"
"The builder"
"The slayer of barbarians" (maybe:sweatdrop:)

Not all are truly positive but there have to be names for other Hellenistic rulers or not so great Kings..

You're welcome.
Regarding "freedom-giver"... couldn't that also be called Apeleuther...something? Since the Apeleutheroi are "those who are freed" and the "freedom-giver" would be "the one who sets free" or something.

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Originally Posted by HunGeneral

Well I seem to have a few ideas:

Maybe...
"The butcher" - Sphageus (ΣΦΑΓΕΥΣ)
"The horseman" - Ippeus (ΙΠΠΕΥΣ)
"The Elder, The younger" (not to original but it could fitt) - Ho Geraioteros, Ho Neoteros (Ο ΓΗΡΑΙΟΤΕΡΟΣ, Ο ΝΕΟΤΕΡΟΣ)
"The warrior" - maybe ideal for Spartans:laugh4: - Polemistes (ΠΟΛΕΜΙΣΤΗΣ)
"The poet" - Poietes (ΠΟΙΗΤΗΣ)
"The philosopher" - Philosophos (ΦΙΛΟΣΟΦΟΣ)
"The builder" - Dometor or Ktistes (ΔΟΜΗΤΩΡ, ΚΤΙΣΤΗΣ)
"The slayer of barbarians" (maybe:sweatdrop:) - Barbaroktonos (ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΚΤΟΝΟΣ)

Not all are truly positive but there have to be names for other Hellenistic rulers or not so great Kings..

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Originally Posted by machinor

You're welcome.
Regarding "freedom-giver"... couldn't that also be called Apeleuther...something? Since the Apeleutheroi are "those who are freed" and the "freedom-giver" would be "the one who sets free" or something.

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Not that I know of. Apeleutherotes could only be used, which, as I mentioned, means 'Liberator'.

Maion

Oh. I comlpetely overlooked "Liberator". :sweatdrop:

I see this is developing nicely, this is exactly what I had in mind when opening the thread. Thanks for all ideas and especially for the translations! Keep 'em coming! ~:thumb:

Nice thread! I just broke my empire for a civil war. Can you tell me the names for the two rivalling factions?

Makedonian Nobles = Eugeneis Makedonikoi ?

Makedonian Royalists = ??? Makedonikoi ?

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Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus

Nice thread! I just broke my empire for a civil war. Can you tell me the names for the two rivalling factions?

Makedonian Nobles = Eugeneis Makedones

Makedonian Royalists = Makedones Basilophrones

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Cool Centurio! See bold parts for the translations.

Maion

Thx Maion. :2thumbsup:

Thank you, Maion! You really deserve a balloon for this, so here you are :balloon2: :bow:

Thanks dude!:birthday2:

Maion

Founder of a dynasty typically seems to have been "Ktistes". Maion has actually chosen "the builder" (idru- refers to buildings) which is useful for founder of a city.. I'm missing Euergetes, though.

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

(idru- refers to buildings) I'm missing Euergetes, though.

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Not always and Euergetes should be here as well:tongue:

Maion

I thought on one more possibility: if one of the diadochi kingdoms shloud unite ALL of what Alexadner has conquered the ruler who complited it could be called "the Strongest" ins reference to Alexanders last words. (Would something like that sound accepteable?)

Oooh, I know some good ones!

If your FM is a coward and/or flees the battlefield, here are some choice epithets:

Rhipsaspis - shield-tosser

Apobolimaios - thrower-awayer

Tresas - Trembler [As in, he trembles while in formation (I guess)]

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Originally Posted by HunGeneral

I thought on one more possibility: if one of the diadochi kingdoms shloud unite ALL of what Alexadner has conquered the ruler who complited it could be called "the Strongest" ins reference to Alexanders last words. (Would something like that sound accepteable?)

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That's a good idea, but there are tons of epithets that could be given to the Faction Leader of the Diadochoi Kingdom that re-creates Alexandros' old empire. This includes, of course, 'Megas' (The Great) and 'Basileus ton Basileon' (King of Kings).

Maion

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Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

That's a good idea, but there are tons of epithets that could be given to the Faction Leader of the Diadochoi Kingdom that re-creates Alexandros' old empire. This includes, of course, 'Megas' (The Great) and 'Basileus ton Basileon' (King of Kings).

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Youre right about that. However I was thinking of it as a "second epithet". Like Macilrille mentioned Antiochus IV had several epithets.

I might just aswell give an exampel of what I mean since I'm not sure if I can describe it clearly: someting like "Megas (xy-insert name) The srtongest". The last part is reserved for the King who completes the unification and only for him. I can't really remember what gave me the Idea but if I remember I might post it - but I'm quite sure it wasn't greek.

By the way isn't Basileus ton Basileon a title? I believe used by some of the seleukid rulers or am I wrong?

If they were Danish/Norwegian/Swedish 8th- 12th Century they could have names such as

Tveskæg (Forkbeard)
Blåtand (Bluetooth, yes that IS where the tech has its name from)
Blodøkse (Bloodaxe)
Sejrssjæl (Victorious Soul- as in ever victorious, NOT pious)
Hårfager (Longhair/Fairhair)
Hårderåde (Hard Ruler or Hard Council)
Den Gode (The Good)
Kesje (a special spear of that name)
Snare (Fast/mentally eloquent/Brave/First to action)
Hvide (White/fair)
Trylle (The Sorcerer)
Orm i Øje (Snake Eye, sharp/penetrating Glance)
Lodbrog (Hairy Breeches)
Krake (Ladder/Tall and gangly)



Those were just on top of my head and some might be relevant to Diadochii rulers as well, but in Greek instead of Danish/Norse.

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Originally Posted by HunGeneral

Youre right about that. However I was thinking of it as a "second epithet". Like Macilrille mentioned Antiochus IV had several epithets.

I might just aswell give an exampel of what I mean since I'm not sure if I can describe it clearly: someting like "Megas (xy-insert name) The srtongest". The last part is reserved for the King who completes the unification and only for him. I can't really remember what gave me the Idea but if I remember I might post it - but I'm quite sure it wasn't greek.

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I see, so you're looking for somehting like: Megas X ho Dynatotatos, were X represents the guy's name. In stead of Dynatotatos (which is the superlative of Dynatos, which means 'Strong' in Greek), you could use Ischyrotatos.

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Originally Posted by HunGeneral

By the way isn't Basileus ton Basileon a title? I believe used by some of the seleukid rulers or am I wrong?

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Well, Megas is also a title as well as an epithet, if you get my meaning. It was used by Seleucid kings, yes. But it was also used by the Pahlavans (Shahansablabla something) and other nations, including the Achaemenid Persians.

Maion

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Originally Posted by Macilrille

Tveskæg (Forkbeard)
Blåtand (Bluetooth, yes that IS where the tech has its name from)
Blodøkse (Bloodaxe)
Sejrssjæl (Victorious Soul- as in ever victorious, NOT pious) - Nikephoros, or bringer of victory (ΝΙΚΗΦΟΡΟΣ)
Hårfager (Longhair/Fairhair) - Euplokamos (ΕΥΠΛΟΚΑΜΟΣ)
Hårderåde (Hard Ruler or Hard Council) - Skleros, or harsh would be fine (ΣΚΛΗΡΟΣ)
Den Gode (The Good) - Agathos (ΑΓΑΘΟΣ)
Kesje (a special spear of that name) - ?
Snare (Fast/mentally eloquent/Brave/First to action) - Gennaios or Andreios (ΓΕΝΝΑΙΟΣ, ΑΝΔΡΕΙΟΣ)
Hvide (White/fair) - Kalos (ΚΑΛΟΣ)
Trylle (The Sorcerer)
Orm i Øje (Snake Eye, sharp/penetrating Glance)
Lodbrog (Hairy Breeches)
Krake (Ladder/Tall and gangly). - Eumekes (ΕΥΜΗΚΗΣ)

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OK, some of them would certainly NOT been used by Hellenistic monarchs, so I've erased them.

Maion

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Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

I see, so you're looking for somehting like: Megas X ho Dynatotatos, were X represents the guy's name. In stead of Dynatotatos (which is the superlative of Dynatos, which means 'Strong' in Greek), you could use Ischyrotatos.

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Exactly.
Thanks for the translation - I might use it one day:idea2:

I remembered where I got this Idea of two or a second epithet reserved for one ruler... and I remembered right that it had nothing to do with Hellenes or the timeframe of EB:
It was something like "Great King Attila Scourge of God".
I remember to have heard it several times and that "supposedly" both Epithets are reserved for him, however it was made after his death or in the last years of his life - but I'm not sure.

Maion, I hope you don't feel like we're abusing you, but on behalf of those of us who don't know much Greek, Ευχαριστώ!

What about:
The Defiant
Dauntless/Fearless
Conqueror of the Seas
Unrelenting/Determinate
And, of course, my favourite:
The Invincible
(and, for my curiosity, can you give me the above in female form too?)
Also:
Kinslayer

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Originally Posted by Burebista

Maion, I hope you don't feel like we're abusing you, but on behalf of those of us who don't know much Greek, Ευχαριστώ!

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Certainly not my friend. If you did, I wouldn't be answering now, would I?:beam: Anyway, you are most welcome. So Παρακαλώ from me:beam:

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What about:
The Defiant - Periphronetes (ΠΕΡΙΦΡΟΝΗΤΗΣ)
Dauntless/Fearless - Aphobos (ΑΦΟΒΟΣ)
Conqueror of the Seas - Thalassokrator (ΘΑΛΑΣΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ)
Unrelenting/Determinate - Hypoleptos (ΥΠΟΛΗΠΤΟΣ)
And, of course, my favourite:
The Invincible - Aaptos (musculine) (ΑΑΠΤΟΣ), Aapte (feminine) (ΑΑΠΤΗ) or Athanatos, -e (ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ, -Η)
(and, for my curiosity, can you give me the above in female form too?)
Also:
Kinslayer - Engenoktonos (ΕΝΓΕΝΟΚΤΟΝΟΣ)

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Maion

Wow, great work Maion!
What about "the EB-Fanboy"?

...just kidding.

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Originally Posted by ziegenpeter

Wow, great work Maion!

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Thank you!:bow:

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Originally Posted by ziegenpeter

What about "the EB-Fanboy"?

...just kidding.

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Maion

My friend, you are a treat! This is quite productive.

One more thing. If Aaptos is in feminine Aapte, then Hypoleptos would be Hypolepte, and Aphobos- Aphobe, yes? But what about Periphronetes and Thalassokrates?

Oh, and slightly off-topic, playing around with a few words I made up an "epithet" for a Getai ruler (by the way, how would you say "of the Getai" in Greek?). By using a word that is supposedly of Getic origin, I called him Heros per Belauros (which would mean Heros, son of the Dragon).

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Originally Posted by Burebista

My friend, you are a treat! This is quite productive.

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Thanks!:bow: It would be good if someone could make a list of it as well:yes:

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Originally Posted by Burebista

One more thing. If Aaptos is in feminine Aapte, then Hypoleptos would be Hypolepte, and Aphobos- Aphobe, yes? But what about Periphronetes and Thalassokrates?

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Correct. The feminine form of the two epithets you mentioned would be Periphronesa and Thalassokrateisa respectively.

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Originally Posted by Burebista

Oh, and slightly off-topic, playing around with a few words I made up an "epithet" for a Getai ruler (by the way, how would you say "of the Getai" in Greek?). By using a word that is supposedly of Getic origin, I called him Heros per Belauros (which would mean Heros, son of the Dragon).

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"Of the Getai" would be Getikos in Greek. And cool name you 'invented':wink:

Maion

Wow, this thread is worth its Bytes in Gold I'd say... :bow: for little Hellenistic fanboys like us :sweatdrop:

Could you do some more, please? :smiley:
the Uniter
the Weak
the Crippled
the Lame
Ironfist (in the sense of "he who vanquishes his foes and never bows to anybody and forces his law on everybody, you know...)

Bad A$$ Motha F***as! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus

Wow, this thread is worth its Bytes in Gold I'd say... :bow: for little Hellenistic fanboys like us :sweatdrop:

Could you do some more, please? :smiley:
the Uniter - Henopoios (ΕΝΟΠΟΙΟΣ)
the Weak - Adynamos (ΑΔΥΝΑΜΟΣ)
the Crippled - Apoplektos (ΑΠΟΠΛΗΚΤΟΣ)
the Lame - Anaperos (ΑΝΑΠΗΡΟΣ)
Ironfist - Well, this one is tricky. Keravnos had given an answer for that, saying it would be something like 'Ho echon sideran pygmen' (Ο ΕΧΩΝ ΣΙΔΗΡΑΝ ΠΥΓΜΗΝ) or 'he who has an iron fist' in Greek. Sideropygmaios (ΣΙΔΗΡΟΠΥΓΜΑΙΟΣ), which sounds a lot like it, isn't the same, since 'pygmaios' means 'pigmy'.

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Here. Note that last part.

Maion

I'm not sure, because I did not check with a dictionary, but it sounds like you have quite a few adjectives consisting of 2 words. An example would be "Aaptos" (which is A-aptos). Note that these have only 2 diclensions: m/f and n. That is: the masculine form and the feminine form are exactly the same!

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

I'm not sure, because I did not check with a dictionary, but it sounds like you have quite a few adjectives consisting of 2 words.

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Aha, that's correct... So?

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

An example would be "Aaptos" (which is A-aptos). Note that these have only 2 diclensions: m/f and n. That is: the masculine form and the feminine form are exactly the same!

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I know it's A-aptos. It's from apto (which means touch) and with the a before the word, it means 'untouchable'. In other words, invincible. As for the sane form, I'm not sure about that. I'll have to check it:book:

Maion

This thread RULES!!!!!!:2thumbsup:

Just checked and apparently you're wrong, Tellos. Aaptos has both a feminine (Aapte), as well as a neutral (Aapton) form. What you say about 2-word adjectives is not true either, since Thalassokrates (2 words, Thalassa or Sea and Krato, or Rule) is an adjective that is clearly masculine and has a feminine form as well.

Maion

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Just checked and apparently you're wrong, Tellos. Aaptos has both a feminine (Aapte), as well as a neutral (Aapton) form. What you say about 2-word adjectives is not true either, since Thalassokrates (2 words, Thalassa or Sea and Krato, or Rule) is an adjective that is clearly masculine and has a feminine form as well.

Maion

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Uhh: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...Aentry%3D%2319

In the case of "aaptos" Perseus' copy of LSJ would disagree with you. Note that this is the only entry to be found for the query "aapt", so that means any exceptional case is pretty much that: exceptional beyond inclusion in an academy-grade dictionary. (Perseus has both Authenrieth (IIRC a Homer specialist work) and Slater too.) Or have you been using a modern Greek dictionary? In which, consider that grammar, especially this kind of grammar isn't a 2300 year old hand-me-down thing. ~;)

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule I mentioned in my previous post (apeiros/hpeiros would be one) but that is because those words are exceptional to begin with; i.e. they represent an entity or quality of their own rather than an aggregrate (consider how you might alternatively translate these adjectives using patches like 'not'; 'strongly'; 'well'; 'fully'). EDIT2: And of course there are those (numerous!) exceptions which are just plain irregular; which is why one should check with a good/exhaustive dictionary and which is why I said I wasn't sure....

EDIT: Ooh and please distinguish between adjectives and nouns. Adjective even when used as nouns are subject to the rule; but 'true' (proper?) nouns are not neccesarily.

What would "The Ginger" be?

What about "The Regent". There are times when direct heir is still under 16 an thus it's not possible to set him heir. So someone else is acting as a regent.

Thank you very much Maion. :2thumbsup: :yes:

Kinda unrelated :clown: but here's the proof for the poor state of unity my empire has slipped into. Blue are the mean, egocentric, greedy criminals that call themselves Nobles, and red are either loyal supporters of the young Basileus Limendas or neutral ones.

https://img502.imageshack.us/img502/...timjahrnf8.jpg

awesome map! what's that orangy thing in the south of egypt and arabia, next to the sabean, the KH? or did you recolour the ptolies?

Umm... what does that map show? I don't really understand it..

Have I missed some special AAR you've done?

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awesome map! what's that orangy thing in the south of egypt and arabia, next to the sabean, the KH? or did you recolour the ptolies?

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The orange one is the Kingdom of Axum, ex Phoinikes, ex Kart-Hadastim. I gave them Tamane in my quest to wipe the Sabaens out.

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Umm... what does that map show? I don't really understand it..

Have I missed some special AAR you've done?

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The map shows the minimap in my EB game. :laugh4: Check out my AAR when it comes out (perhaps).

Ο μόνος εούρησε μεθυσμένος

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

Uhh: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...Aentry%3D%2319

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Ah, thanks for that one. I've got another one of Perseus, though this one seems more detailed:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

In the case of "aaptos" Perseus' copy of LSJ would disagree with you. Note that this is the only entry to be found for the query "aapt", so that means any exceptional case is pretty much that: exceptional beyond inclusion in an academy-grade dictionary. (Perseus has both Authenrieth (IIRC a Homer specialist work) and Slater too.) Or have you been using a modern Greek dictionary? In which, consider that grammar, especially this kind of grammar isn't a 2300 year old hand-me-down thing. ~;)

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Nah, I'm not using a modern Greek dictionary. I have been taught some basic Ancient Greek at school (Atiic, of course) and I use either my school dictionaries, or on-line ones (more offen). What you say about the grammar is true, Greek (especially Ancient) can be tricky at times:yes: Note that I'm more of the match guy (hence I study Physics:tongue:) than the theoretical one.

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule I mentioned in my previous post (apeiros/hpeiros would be one) but that is because those words are exceptional to begin with; i.e. they represent an entity or quality of their own rather than an aggregrate (consider how you might alternatively translate these adjectives using patches like 'not'; 'strongly'; 'well'; 'fully'). EDIT2: And of course there are those (numerous!) exceptions which are just plain irregular; which is why one should check with a good/exhaustive dictionary and which is why I said I wasn't sure....

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Aha... Yeah...

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

EDIT: Ooh and please distinguish between adjectives and nouns. Adjective even when used as nouns are subject to the rule; but 'true' (proper?) nouns are not neccesarily.

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Yeah, sorry about that one. I'll sure distinguish them from each other henceforth:yes:

Thanks again for the info, Tellos.

Maion

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Originally Posted by Subotan

What would "The Ginger" be?

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OK, but I need you to tell me the meaning of the sentence. I mean, there are quite a few meanings of it.

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Originally Posted by Silence Hunter

What about "The Regent". There are times when direct heir is still under 16 an thus it's not possible to set him heir. So someone else is acting as a regent.

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That would be Antibasileus (short form), or Anti autou Basileus (long form). That literally means, 'In stead of the King'.

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Ο μόνος εούρησε μεθυσμένος

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For those that do not know what this means: 'Alone he urinated, while being drunk' :laugh4:

Maion

P.S.: You're most welcome, Centurio. Cool map btw, and good luck with your civil war:thumbsup:

I will surely come back to some of the already mentioned, once it is time, but now I have another one:

What would be "the killer/murderer"?

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Originally Posted by Lysimachos

I will surely come back to some of the already mentioned, once it is time, but now I have another one:

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Cool:wink:

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Originally Posted by Lysimachos

What would be "the killer/murderer"?

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That would be Phoneus (ΦΟΝΕΥΣ)

Maion

καυστήρας γατακιών

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Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Cool:wink:


That would be Phoneus (ΦΟΝΕΥΣ)

Maion

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Thank you, again :beam:
Although you might not remember when the time has come to use the epithets, because I'm planning my AAR in generations rather than updates right now :book:

While we are at it - did we have these:
The Beautiful/Handsome
The Ugly
The Hesitant
The Seefarer
The Wise
The Pious/Devout

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καυστήρας γατακιών

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Would you please provide translations with your posts? This is not really helpful :no:
Not to imply it would be helpful if there were a translation... ~;)

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Thank you, again :beam:
Although you might not remember when the time has come to use the epithets, because I'm planning my AAR in generations rather than updates right now :book:

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Aha, that's cool.

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While we are at it - did we have these:
The Beautiful/Handsome - As discussed befrore, that would be Kalos (ΚΑΛΟΣ)
The Ugly - Aischros (ΑΙΣΧΡΟΣ)
The Hesitant - Distazon (ΔΙΣΤΑΖΩΝ)
The Seefarer - Nautes (ΝΑΥΤΕΣ)
The Wise - Sophos (ΣΟΦΟΣ)
The Pious/Devout - Eusebes (ΕΥΣΕΒΗΣ)

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Originally Posted by Lysimachos

Would you please provide translations with your posts? This is not really helpful :no:
Not to imply it would be helpful if there were a translation... ~;)

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That would be 'Burner of cats' :laugh4:

Maion

So if "The slayer of barbarians" is "Barbaroktonos (ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΚΤΟΝΟΣ)" then the Slayer of Celts would be Keltoktonos?
[That, by the way, was historically Burebista (or Buruista)'s nickname]

Oh, and what about "Nautes" in feminine? (OK, the reason I keep asking for names in feminine is because I'm making a collection for Greek ship names... taking notes for an Argonaut AAR :p)

This thread is really becoming great.

Did the ancient hellenes have an Epithet for
"the lion"
"ruler of all hellenes" - in this case not just of thoose in hellas but of all Hellenes in the world.
"lord of all the seas and land under the sky" - I bit fantasy like but is there a similar term?

I would also have another question: could anyone tell me how expressions like "Europe of the Seleucids", "Europe of the nomads", "horsemen of the east", "horsemen of hades" might have sounded like in ancient Greek. (I quess my fantasy got a bit too loose:sweatdrop:)

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This thread is really becoming great.

Did the ancient hellenes have an Epithet for
"the lion"
"ruler of all hellenes" - in this case not just of thoose in hellas but of all Hellenes in the world.
"lord of all the seas and land under the sky" - I bit fantasy like but is there a similar term?

I would also have another question: could anyone tell me how expressions like "Europe of the Seleucids", "Europe of the nomads", "horsemen of the east", "horsemen of hades" might have sounded like in ancient Greek. (I quess my fantasy got a bit too loose:sweatdrop:)

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IIRC, "Lion" would be "Leonidas" (ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ). "Ruler of all Hellenes" would probably be "Hellenokrator" (ΈΛΛΗΝΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ).

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Originally Posted by Burebista

So if "The slayer of barbarians" is "Barbaroktonos (ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΚΤΟΝΟΣ)" then the Slayer of Celts would be Keltoktonos?
[That, by the way, was historically Burebista (or Buruista)'s nickname]

Oh, and what about "Nautes" in feminine? (OK, the reason I keep asking for names in feminine is because I'm making a collection for Greek ship names... taking notes for an Argonaut AAR :p)

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Keltoktonos is correct. Don't know about Burebista. As for Nautes, really I'm not sure. I know how it is in modern Greek, though I'm not sure about ancient.

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This thread is really becoming great.

Did the ancient hellenes have an Epithet for
"the lion"
"ruler of all hellenes" - in this case not just of thoose in hellas but of all Hellenes in the world.
"lord of all the seas and land under the sky" - I bit fantasy like but is there a similar term?

I would also have another question: could anyone tell me how expressions like "Europe of the Seleucids", "Europe of the nomads", "horsemen of the east", "horsemen of hades" might have sounded like in ancient Greek. (I quess my fantasy got a bit too loose:sweatdrop:)

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The Lion - Leon
Ruler of the Hellenes - Hellenokrator (ΕΛΛΗΝΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ)
Ruler of the seas - Thalassokrator (ΘΑΛΑΣΣΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ)
Ruler of the land/world - Gaiokrator/Kosmokrator (ΓΑΙΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ/ΚΟΣΜΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ)
Europe of the Seleucids/Nomads - He ton Seleukeidon/Nomadon Europe (Η ΤΩΝ ΣΕΛΕΥΚΕΙΔΩΝ/ΝΟΜΑΔΩΝ ΕΥΡΩΠΗ)
Horsemen of the East - Asiatikoi Hippeis or Hippeis ex Asias (ΑΣΙΑΤΙΚΟΙ ΙΠΠΕΙΣ, ΙΠΠΕΙΣ ΕΞ ΑΣΙΑΣ)
Horsemen of Hades - Hadou Hippeis (ΑΔΟΥ ΙΠΠΕΙΣ)

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Originally Posted by machinor

IIRC, "Lion" would be "Leonidas" (ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ). "Ruler of all Hellenes" would probably be "Hellenokrator" (ΈΛΛΗΝΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ).

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Actually, Leonidas (ΛΕΩΝΙΔΑΣ, with an 'omega') is name with reference to a lion.

Maion

I vote we sticky this thread.
Thanks again, Maion. Burebista was the uniter of the Getai tribes, contemporary to Caesar, in case you were curious.

As for Nautes... what would it be in modern Greek, then? (feminine too)

Aha, I see. As for the last thing, that would be Nautissa.

Maion

Ooops, before I forget: I wanted to give my armies epithets too. Iirc, an army is stratos, right? What would be...

"the Western" (because they have fought at the Pillars of Herakles, pretty big thing for them)? Hesperios perhaps?

"the First (Created)"? Protogonos?

"the Royal / King's Own"? OK that must be Basilikos

"the Loyal / Reliable"?

"the Armoured"? Kataphraktos?

:sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop:

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Ooops, before I forget: I wanted to give my armies epithets too. Iirc, an army is stratos, right?

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Yep,that's right.

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"the Western" (because they have fought at the Pillars of Herakles, pretty big thing for them)? Hesperios perhaps?

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Well, Hesperia was the name the Hellenes gave to America. West is Dyse (ΔΥΣΗ), so maybe it could be Dytikos Stratos, or Western Army

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"the First (Created)"? Protogonos?

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Protogonos means 'of the first generation'. Now create is 'poio' (ΠΟΙΩ), so I believe it should be Stratos Protopoiethes (ΠΡΩΤΟΠΟΙΗΘΗΣ).

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Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus

"the Royal / King's Own"? OK that must be Basilikos

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Yes, Basilikos Stratos is fine.

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Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus

"the Loyal / Reliable"?

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Pistos Stratos

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Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus

"the Armoured"? Kataphraktos?

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Well, Kataphraktos means 'armored all over'. But it can be used. In that case, it would be, as you correctly stated, Stratos Kataphraktos.

Maion

Well, there is the "Periegesis Aithiopion Hesperion", that's why I thought that. The Greeks knew America???

Thank you very much Maion.:2thumbsup:

I don't think so. But the mythological theme of a distant country separated from the rest of the world by a non-trivial barrier (mountains, deserts, seas) is quite common (the Chinese have their stories about such a country in their West; the Christians later had a story about a certain Presbyterian John somewhere too...) . Anyway back to this 'Hesperia' (night) country, IIRC it is the topos of one of the 12 tasks (if I am not mistaken, the one in which Herakles must fetch apples from the tree given to Hera as a wedding present).

Well, you might not think so but I won't go in debate with you (or anyone for that matter) about this topic. As for Hesperia, it means afternoon. Night is Nyx. What you said about the Heracles-thing is true though.

Maion

Ok, so... if lion is Leon, then "The Lion" would be... ?
And what about: The Bull, The Gryphon? The Serpent?

Umm what about
1.the demon?
2.the bringer of death?
3.The Greek word for America?
4.the colored/rainbowed one?
5.the restorer?
6.the insane?

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the colored/rainbowed one?

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Lolwut? Has one of your FMs been "putting the lime in the coconut"?

How would you say "the Beer-Drinker"?

Sorry im got some AWESOME weed right now so yeah...
LOL just kidding