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Why do nominally straight people talk constantly about gay marriage and homosexuality? Why do they get so worked up about it?
I think I've spotted a bit of sexual insecurity amongst those heterosexuals that constantly, constantly talk about gay marriage.
Because I hate it when my fellow citizens are discriminated.
HoreTore sums it up.
No individual deserves to be discriminated against. I see no reason why gay people should not be allowed to marry.
Talking constantly in favor of it, or against it? If in favor, HoreTore answered you. If against, they're just jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
Ajax
I am sorry, but those gay marriages threaten my lifestyle. When my wife sees those happy gay married couples, she gets dissatisfied with our marraige and will then turn gay because gay is a choice, which will make me lose all those tax benefits, not that there are any tax benefits nowadays because of that socialist Obama. It's all true, just ask Hannity or any anchor on Fox News AKA the last bastion of fair and balanced reporting on this 6,000 year old God given planet of ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
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Well I make a destinction between homosexual and fags. Gays will have to chose to being accepted as an individual, or as a homosexual. And they will have to chose to identifying theirselves as a individual, or a as a homosexual. Can't behave the way they do, tearing eachother inside-out in broad daylight, and then tell me 'hey I am just like you and I demand respect'.
I'm obssessed with them 'cause I think they are hot. :yes:
Vuk! You tease! Get back into that homoerotic gas mask before I:whip:
Hey now bad boy, not so hard. ~;)
:hippie:
i don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
do whatever you want to do in the privacy of your own homes, but do not parade it publicly in my face.
that goes for pretty much any private persuasion, not just homo-sexiness, i simply am not interested in 'your' special interest circle-jerk.
I have to say I honestly don't care either. There are enough bad things in the world already without trying to find fault in things that are working.
~:smoking:
i have no problem with gay marriage, other than the fact that you can marry under Jewish law (see Acharei-Mot), but i dont like it when they try to shove the fact that they are gay into our lives.
"ok, you are gay. so what?"
To be honest, I also dislike "straight" couples shoving the fact that they are straight into our lives. You know, the type of people that go eating eachother in public. Annoys me. Doesn't matter whether it's gay or straight.Quote:
i have no problem with gay marriage, other than the fact that you can marry under Jewish law (see Acharei-Mot), but i dont like it when they try to shove the fact that they are gay into our lives.
"ok, you are gay. so what?"
i agree. if you had to ask me, PDA should be looked down upon. not talking about holding hands or hugging, but more seious stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
My gf and I routinely have sex on park benches. Some times we invite standers-by and turn it into a public event. :yes:
:hippie:
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
Seriously?
You people have a problem with couples kissing in public?
Seriously?
Yes, of course. Having sex on park benches is one thing, but no kissing!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
A peck on the mouth no problem but a full frenchie, bad taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Why....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Why even care...?
Anything involving genitals I understand, but simple kissing...?
It depends, on the right person, the taste could be very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
A peck is a 'simple kiss', a 'frenchie' is a very complicated and sexually suggestive kiss. (and many times is performed in accompaniment with genital fondling)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Hmm, you might need to give her(or him) a tictac, or maybe some gum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
^-- Full frontal on a party or in a club, no problem. Time and a place for everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
Hmm, you might need to give her(or him) a tictac, or maybe some gum.
I don't have a bad smell from my mouth if that's what you are suggesting.
Gawd, I know what a frenchie is(how old do you think I am?). Still can't see the problem though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
Just decency. Bar = fine, beach=no, park=ok, restaurant=no, terrace also no, see it's simpleQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
It's the new battleground. It used to be something all society looked down upon, now they don't. Christians don't spend their time arguing about other wrongs simply because they would have nobody to argue with.
Whenever I see a homophobe, I call rent-a-gay and I make out with him in public.
It's 2009. Some five percent of people are gay. Get used to it, you provincials. :smash:
Me, I've got no problem with Jews. 'But must they wear skullcaps and have subcultural eating habits? I mean, I just don't like it when they shove their Jewishness in my face...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
Well I make a distinction between Dutchmen and Bataves. Dutchmen will have to chose to being accepted as an individual, or as a Batave. Can't behave the way they do, tearing each other out in broad daylight, smoking drugs, public prostituting themselves, selling coke and heroine, and then tell me 'hey I am just like you and I demand respect'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Demanding equal treatment for a certain group when unequal treatment is in no way justified is what is to be expected from each citizen in a modern civilised country.
Fixed ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I see & hear it discussed frequently on the 'net and on TV and radio. Less so in print media, and almost never in real-life conversations. My friends and neighbors, gay and straight, talk sports, work, money, etc.
So I conclude: electronic media is way more obssessed with homosexuality than actual people are.
Why should francophones in Belgium learn a language they'll never need, a language of distant lands they never visit? ~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
More in general, the world misunderstands the francophones. Spoken French only uses a frequency of between 1000 and 2000 Hertz. Germanic languages use a range from 150 to 3000 Hertz. This is why French sounds so pleasant, so soothening. Elegant even. And this is why non-French, especially Germanic, sounds like animal-like low grunts or high-pitched squeels to francophones.
It also explains why it is nigh impossible for francophones to learn another language past a very early age. We simply do not hear what you say. We would understand it, we simply, literally, can't hear you. We hear you no more than you hear sub-sonic whale sounds, or high pitched mice. Our ears do not register the sounds you are producing.
Yes, it is true. Not kidding around.
Every time I read one of Louis' posts, I curse my mother for giving birth to me here, instead of in France.
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Well, because they live in Belgium and a non important part (the majority?) of the country speaks Dutch? How else will we communicate, let alone govern the country together? What about mutual respect?
"Nous sommes tous des belges, où est le problème? On s'entend bien, n'est-ce pas?" Ja, zolang we Frans praten begrijpen we mekaar...
Or is the refusal to learn Dutch a sign that our Walloon friends would prefer to split the country?
But let's not derail the thread with off topic-ness. Feel free to open a thread about Belgium and the upcoming elections if you want :bow:
Note to self: switch on humor detector before replying to Louis.
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Let's just stop playing games and say what everyone on this thread has been hinting at: the Dutch just suck. No matter which way you play it, you cannot change the fact that they wear wooden shoes, and everyone knows that only the worst barbarians and creatures from the planet Zog wear wooden shoes. ~;)
I say we deport them all to theplanetpluto!
I'm rather fond of the Dutch, when they're not shoving their Dutchiness into my face :wink:
I tend to take a middle ground on the issue of gay marriage, but to be completely honest, I don't care much one way or the other. I am as open to one side of the argument as I am to the other.
Insecurity and FearQuote:
Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
:cry: You said you loved me, you no good harlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
As to the issue at hand, what gets put inside you or what you put inside someone else is no buisness of mine. Unless it's on video in which case I want to see it in HD.
I also wonder...
I do get a bit grossed out when two gays make out in public, but not more than seeing two ugly heterosexuals doing it...
In the army my spotter was gay. Suffice to say we shared some really close moments, like, spooning to keep the warmth...
Did it bother me? Not in the least. He never came on to me (having helped someone through a diareha (spelling?) out in the bush probably kills romance... hehe...
What's my point?
I have none really... I don't mind where people put their dicks, as long as it isnt in my girlfriend :)
i'm just not interested in seeing parades in 'honour' of it, keep it in the bedroom.
I can think of few better reasons than LOVE to hold a parade... no?
if someone can perusade their local town council to hold a parade then fine, but don't use public funds*, and don't expect me to be there.
* with the exception of local regiments returning from active service.
I like it when they shove their dutchiness in my face, personally. :antlers: And yes, while I am wearing the antlers. Don't ask why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakizashi
All Republicans that oppose Obama are, in fact, insecure Democrats. :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
No, people have opinions, and beliefs, that they stand by. I have no problem with someone opposing gay marriage, it is when they try to ban a private affair that gets my goat.
Ya, can't stand attention-whores. If you don't like being gay being a point, stop making a point about being gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
Hmm, you seem to have been genuinly irritated by my posts here. (Did the annual Belgium tax papers fell on your doormat? :yougotmail: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Anyway:
I wasn't slagging off the Dutch (or the Jews), I was simply imitating Hooahguy's and Fragoguy's statements, replacing 'gays' with Jews and Dutch repsectively to make a point.
The Walloon statement was ironic. 'Distant lands they never visit' - this was aimed against the debilitating insularic tendency of Walloons to consider as foreign, regions that are a mere twenty-minute bicycle ride away, places with jobs. Yes, I am not completely blinded by solidarity.
This is so true. When I was in France, no matter how loud I shouted at them and no matter how vigorously I waved and flapped my arms about, they just couldn't understand my English.Quote:
It also explains why it is nigh impossible for francophones to learn another language past a very early age. We simply do not hear what you say. We would understand it, we simply, literally, can't hear you. We hear you no more than you hear sub-sonic whale sounds, or high pitched mice. Our ears do not register the sounds you are producing.
I wouldn't mind but I got an 'O' level in French. Mind you it was 35 years ago. :sweatdrop:
I know, I know :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
That's why I did thethingywith my original post, instead of just deleting it; to emphasise how stupid my response was, instead of hiding my stupidity, which would have been unfair.
I was an idiot by making such a post because you were obviously being ironic and I was too busy being the flemish narrow minded idiot I sometimes am to spot it.
I apologise for completely misunderstanding your post and annoying you by making a fool of myself.
:bow:
EDIT: and I don't fear the Belgian taxpapers, usually it are they who owe me money. I'm still waiting for their payment.
See? We just can't hear the frequency you are using.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Then again, our ears are finely tuned to sound of paper softly rushing in the wind. Next time when flapping your arms around to grab a French waiter's attention, put a tenner in your hand, alright? He'll be sure to hear that.
I went to get a massage, but all the females were busy and there was only a very gay looking guy there. Call me a homophobe, but I did not let that oh-so-feminine man rub his lotion covered hands all over me. :P I just spent some time in the thermal baths instead. :P
I don't care whose hands they are, as long as they rub my shoulders, back, and buttocks in just the right firm-yet-gentle way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
As long as my Skinny Marinky Dinky Dink ends up with my girlfriend's Skinna Marinky Doo, and no one else's, that means I like women.
:bow:
lol, it was not his gender that turned me off, it was his overly excited attitude and winking. :P I am an overweight, gross guy, and anyone who is that interested in fondeling my naked body has serious problems. :P Trust me, I would have been turned off if a woman showed interest like that too, just not as much. It is more so with the guy, because I do not find guys attractive at all. :P (except Clay Aiken :beam:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
EDIT: Skinny huh? :P Don't worry, I will keep your secret. :P
It's just a child-friendly expression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
Well yeah I suppose if he's an over-the-top fruity fruitcake, then yeah I don't want his creepy fingers touching me. I was referring to normal people, gay or straight. As long as he doesn't try to grab himself a couple of handfuls of my cheesy goodness, I'm happy.
A very wise greek proverb roughly translates:
'A cucumber that doesn't grow up your bum you shouldn't care how it grows'
It means that if something does not really affect you then you should not try to stop it
Perhaps, just perhaps, some 'straight' people are so 'interested' in homosexuality because they try to hide their own homosexual feelings (and there is a plethora of anti-gay enthusiasts caught taking it up the bum to prove it)
DUDE! I'm eating cucumbers right now wtf have some respect for people who want to eat cukes!
:clown: obviously.
You don't really want to know the other greek proverb involving cucumbers then... :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Sorry Ras, but that does not make much sense to me. The thing is that they think it IS affecting them, even though they are not the ones with the cucumber up their butts. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
Also, the argument that people who oppose the spread of homosexuality are secretly gay is as ridiculous as saying that people who oppose the spread of murder are secret murderers. Don't get me wrong, I am not equating the two, but a lot of people think they are both a sin, and so oppose the spread of homosexuality. (if there was not so much of it and if it were not being flaunted so, there would not be so much contraversy over it)
yaya.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
It are actually the gays themselves who are obsessed with their sexual preference. I wouldn't care if they didn't care so much but too much is too much. Example, we have the gay parade here, boats full of gays in Amsterdam. They wanted a boat for homosexual people with down syndrome, they wanted a boat for homosexual 11 year olds (wtf?). Just act normal.
Exactly, just get on with it. I recently just found out that a friend of mine here in Hungary was gay. I had no idea until it came up in conversation. I don't care, it is his choice. It affected me about as much as if he told me that he was straight. Anyone, gay or straight who goes around like an obnoxious twit, flaunting their sexual preference I find disgusting though. I have never seen a straight person do it, but infortunately, I have seen gays do it all too often. I think that is why most people make a big deal about them, because they make a big deal about themselves. It is asking why everyone in the room is fixated with the stripper; because the stripper wants attention and is demanding it, so of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
shehe (it fits better with the mood :P) is going to get it.
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they wanted a boat for homosexual 11 year olds (wtf?). Just act normal.
Same old crap again Frag , can you force yourself to write what the real story was instead of once again repeating your oft debunked fabrication ?
I think it's a continuing reaction against homophobia. When they realise in most places they're demonstrating a non existent majority they'll calm down.
Although expecting them to loose interest in parades with fabulous dresses and make up is probably asking too much...
~:smoking:
Well they are being just as bad as homophobes. Sure, they have their right to sexual preferences, but what about the rights of the people who do not want sexual parades going by their houses? They cannot intrude on other people's rights so that they can flaunt their own. It is not just them though, I remember when I was in Chicago there was some kind of :daisy: up fetish parade going right by where I slept. I was absolutely :daisy:, because I saw and heard a lot of things I could have gone my entire life without seeing and hearing, could not go outside, and was kept up all night. Crap like that that infringes on other people's rights should be illegal. Man, I forgot how much I :daisy: hate Chicago. :P That darned city is the armpit of the States. :P I have lived in big cities I have liked, so they cannot blame it on being a big city. It ain't the people either, because there are plenty of other cities with a lot of Poles, blacks, Serbs, Germans, etc. It is just the politics and way of life in Chicago. (and no, I had this opinion loooong before I heard of Obama :P) No offense to Chicagoians, but I have never had worse experiences than I did in Chicago, and have never been in a city I found more offensive. :P (even London is a nicer place ~;))Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
EDIT: Maybe if I moved to Amsterdam ~;)
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
I find hilarious when loud anti gay crusaders are eventually caught doing what they constantly denounced, hypocrisy FTW! Hello Ted Haggard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard. Hello former senator Larry Craig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig
Some, maybe. On the other hand, I think KarlXII said it perfectly with:Quote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
Saying that everyone who opposes gay marriage is a closet homosexual is a rather amusing troll.Quote:
All Republicans that oppose Obama are, in fact, insecure Democrats.
I have yet to see a valid argument as to why homosexuality would be "wrong".
I've already said that I don't care much either way. However, it really depends what you see as valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Valid - an argument that has any sort of sence behind it...
Which is, of course, purely subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
If one argues that it is against God's will;
One can counter that they are the way God made them. If God wanted them some other way, he would have made them that way. Any argument regarding God's will is pure speculation anyway, because no one knows the mind of God. Any who claim to are fools.
If one argues that it is against nature;
There have been countless species who have demonstrated homosexual desire and coupling. Some species even change gender spontaneously in a same-sex environment, to keep the species alive. There is nothing particularly unique about human behavior, it is once again, perfectly natural, as we are part of nature, not separate from it.
If one argues that it is uncivilized;
It is a consenting activity between two adults, which is far less uncivilized than most other human behaviors such as hatred, loathing, greed, sloth, gluttony, selfishness, apathy, and so forth which are destructive things, none of them illegal. So if we are to legislate morality, why not touch on the things which clearly are tearing society apart, such as organized hatred? If you won't make hate illegal, why must you make love that you don't understand illegal? If Nazis can march freely in our streets, so can the gays. And duh, I'd prefer gays marching than Nazis.
If one argues that it is perverse;
Then you must make illegal all forms of sodomy including relations which involve parts of the body above the neck, because many people argue those activities are equally perverse, even among heterosexuals. You must also ban adult videos and literature, as well as adult oriented playthings. And you must also ban articles of clothing, public and private, which tittilate the senses and encourage lust which is not for the defined purpose of procreation. Once you outlaw what things people deem perverse, you must outlaw all forms of sex for pleasure, as that is not what God/nature/religious people intended it to be for.
If one argues it will lead to polygamy;
I have news for you. Polygamy already exists and it is indeed a separate issue. If you're this concerned about marriage, why not confront Islamic fundies who allow girls as young as 8 to be married to 50-year olds and be given no legal rights or protections. There are far worse things in the world than two consenting adults getting married, which involve much greater "distortions" of what we call marriage.
If one argues that it is immoral;
It is immoral to persecute a people who have done you no wrong. It is immoral to fire people from a job because of which consenting adult they choose to share a bed with. It is immoral to focus so much on preventing gay people from obtaining equality under the law. It is immoral to prevent people of the same gender to obtain the right to visit their loved ones in a hospital, or to adopt children. Gay and bisexual people often end up having children, and as such they are allowed (as if they needed our approval?) to raise their own children as fit, loving parents. A person's same-sex preference should not exclude them from acting as a normal member of society.
If one argues that it teaches children that it is ok, and that is contradictory to your religious teachings;
Other forms of behavior banned by your religious teachings, such as gambling or prostitution or divorce, happen all the time, and yet somehow you manage to live. Wars and slavery and human destruction of themselves and their environments happen all the time, and frankly the religious sector of our population tends to support or ignore those policies more than the secularists do. You can, as you are legally allowed to do, spread teachings of fear and hatred against gay people to your children. You can teach that they are rotten to the core and will burn in hell. And someday, your child may see your false piety and your casting off of other human beings as garbage, and they may elect to do the same towards you; especially considering that the chance that your child may be gay is greater than you might imagine. You must also realize that they can choose to believe in whatever faith they like in this country, or none at all, and increasingly that's what they will do. Yet somehow, ever since marriage between gays became legal in several states, God did not smote us, and nothing out of the ordinary happened. Oh, except for some very extraordinary things... such as a people once persecuted are now being treated like equal human beings, and it didn't affect your life in a negative way at all. For some people you've already judged as being fodder for Satan, they are enjoying their lives as free people. And if there is a God and he does judge them, let Him judge them for doing something they were free to engage in, not bullied into hiding from by religious zealots, forced to live an uncomfortable lie which often leads to depression and suicide.
Finally:
Love thy neighbor, and don't judge him or her, because you're hardly a saint, and their sexuality is none of your business. Because this will affect our laws and therefore our courts, you have a right to have an opinion on the matter, but once the votes have been counted and the laws upheld by a court, let it go. Find another scapegoat for blaming the world's troubles on.
There are a number of people who think Jews are evil. By your logic, if there were just fewer people practicing Judaism and it wasn't done so publicly, there would not be so much controversy over it. If you have a problem with homosexuality that's fine, but it's never been demonstrated how it harms people, especially straight people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
You missed my point entirely ATPG. Jews do not flaunt their Judaism like gays flaunt their gayness. My point isn't whether it is right or wrong, but simply that people who think it is evil make a big deal about it because gay make such a big deal about themselves. I was not arguing for or against liking or disliking gays, simply saying that everyong who opposes them being secretly gay is hardly a satisfactory argument. I think the way gays flaunt themselves is a much more likely reason for there being so much anti-gay ferver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
None of that, act normal, don't impose, tada. But that seems to be rather hard for attention-whores and provocation-junkies. Tearing eachother apart in broad daylight where everybody can (must?) see it, that doesn't help at all. I am not going to respect someone who doesn't respect me. Ask me to respect them as a person, fine. Demanding respect for their sexual preference, get lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I believe some Jews do flaunt their judaism, by wearing the skull caps and going to temple and wearing their hair a certain way and speaking the Yiddish and saying things like Mozel Tov. Some of them even wave the flag of Israel in their signature lines, or in support of Israel in front of their place of business. And by the way, most gays do not flaunt their gayness, because certain people AHEM make them feel unwelcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
You know, those darn black people also make such a big deal about the equal rights, tolerance and acceptance of blacks, that if they would all just shut up and go away the world would be a better place, now wouldn't it? :no:
So the reason you don't think gays deserve equal protections is because they insist on living their lives in an openly gay manner?
Straight people flaunt their sexuality much more than gay people do, because there is no majority of people who disapprove of it and condemn them for being Godless straights. The respect argument here is ludicrous, when you have rappers making music (?) videos involving barely clothed women, with drug-related, gang-related, money-obsessed, violent, sexist content, that is much more offensive to me than a man who speaks with a lisp and wears a pink shirt that says "We're here and we're queer." Straight people, historically, have zero respect for gays. So now, you're arguing since they don't automatically respect your wishes and just hide in the closet all the time, it is their own fault that the world hates them? Pardon but they've been in the closet for untold generations. They just want equal rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You can hate them and disrespect them all you want, so be it. It's a free country and if you want to judge them as being inferior or unworthy of your respect, feel free to do so, and I can do the same for you, and have a lot more reason to do so. But if you advocate against their equal rights, and you don't have an argument as to why, then why are you having the discussion? If the bottom line is that queers make you uncomfortable, (or if blacks make you uncomfortable, or if Jews make you uncomfortable, or if Democrats or Republicans make you uncomfortable, or if Midgets make you uncomfortable...) you know, suck it up or move to a homogenous and intolerant culture like, say, North Korea. You'll fit right in.
They just want equal rights.
They got equal rights.
You can hate them and disrespect them all you want, so be it. It's a free country and if you want to judge them as being inferior or unworthy of your respect, feel free to do so, and I can do the same for you, and have a lot more reason to do so.
The ATPG monologues.
I respect them as a person, not as a homosexual, why should I? It ain't an achievement or anything all it takes is bending over. I don't respect people because they are christians, I don't respect people because they are muslims, and I don't respect people because the are gay.
But if you advocate against their equal rights
It's all in your head
If the bottom line is that queers make you uncomfortable
If you think I am harsh you should talk to a gay, yes, friend of mine who hates girlyfag's guts with a passion. Normal guy, has a relation, nobody thinks about it they just are. By the way, I slept with him. No not like that but in the same bed, that is how uncomfortable I am.
Ok, who said I thought that they did not deserve equal protections? Boy ATPG, talk about putting words in peoples' mouths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Your entire argument is bunk! Jews do not wear 'skull caps' (so tempted...), wear their hair a certain way, and speak Yiddish to draw attention to themselves. They do it because it is a religious calling. You know I am talking about the gays who relish in the attention they get for being gay. People who go to gay parades dressed as God knows what, people who screw each other in the street at said parades, people who everywhere they go (not for a religious convinction, but just to draw attention to themselves for being gay) wear rainbow T-shirts and eat the face off their boyfriend in Hardeez (talk about a way to ruin my darned male. I am sinking my teeth into a thick burger and all of a sudden two homos in rainbow shirts in front of my start eyeing me and then eating each other's faces off - disgusting). And yeah, I have seen all to many gays like that. (never seen anyone screaming for attention for being straight, you'll have to point the next one out to me) My argument was that that was why a lot of people were focusing on them, because they are demanding people's attention. Sure, there are straigh attention-:daisy:, but they are not looking for attention for being straight. When repubs (gay or straight) hold parades and wear t-shirts and demand attention for being repubs, people pay attention to them for being repubs, 'cause that is what they are flaunting. When women (gay or straight) flaunt their sexuality, you hear people focusing on how imoral people are, because that is what was being flaunted. Likewise, when you have a lot of people flaunting their gayness, it is going to rally people who believe being gay is wrong. If gays would stop making a big deal about them being gay, then it wouldn't be a big deal that they were gay.
I personally think homosexuality is wrong (and I am not gonna get into an argument as to why), but I got gay friends. It is their choice and I am not gonna judge them on it (heaven knows I make plenty of mistakes myself. I know most of them think me being a conservative is wrong :P). I really do not care at all that they are gay. When I see a bunch of sparkling guys dressed as peacocks in parade with their :daisy: hanging out, I find THAT offensive. You know what though? If people started having straight parades and flaunting being straight, and dressing like asses, and having sex in the streets, I would be disgusted by that too. If you do not want attention, DON'T DEMAND IT!
EDIT: and so you do not have another ATPG flight of fantasy, let me stress that I am not talking about people looking for attention, I am talking about people demanding attention for being gay. I am not saying that gays cannot kiss in public. I am talking about doing things just to show people that they are not gay. "I am gay" t-shirst for instance. WTF? Who cares? When you wear that t-shirt, you want people to care. I don't go wearing "I am straight" t-shirts, because it really shouldn't matter to anyone (but my gf :beam:). The only reason I would wear such a t-shirt is to make people focus on me being gay. Before you use you Judiasm argument, that is not the same, because they do not wear their cloths to flaunt themselves off as Jews. They do it out of religious conviction. I WANT people to know that I am a nice person. I WANT people to know that I am an honest person. I WANT people to be fooled into thinking that I am an intelligent person. I don't want people focusing on my sexual preferences though, because that is not what defines me. You can handsome and ugly people gay and straight. Smart and dumb. Nasty and nice, etc. Do you really want people to think of you as a sexual preference (ie a 'gay man') and not a person? Gay activist claim to want the very opposite, yet they define themselves as being gay and always call attention to it. If they want it to be no more important than 'do you like sugar with your coffee?', then why don't they act like it? If it is that important to them, then it will be that important to others.
Saw this gem on another forum
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1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
10. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.
Yeah those arguments never work, I'm opposed to homosexuality because of my religion and I know its against God's will, secularism is just used today for its convenience but now people don't like it when it comes back to bite them, bring back the Godly Republic I say. :yes:
Ya know, I bet if we just made sure they had civil rights, you'd see them acting out a lot less. Pass gay marriage and you'll get a lot less marching in the streets.Quote:
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Political change often requires that you demand people's attention.
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They have a right to express themselves. Any nudity or lewd conduct in public is against the law and should be prosecuted. Other than that, tough it out.
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Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
First of all, gay marriage has nothing to do with gay rights. Marriage is a religious institution that is recognized by the states, and it has religious underpinnings. For that reason people of religious persuasion want to protect the word, but it is that, just a word. A gay wanting marriage (a Christian concept of a union before God between a man and a woman) is like me wanting to have gay sex with my gf! The fuss about gay marriage is just another way to grab attention. Heck, just make their own union for pities sake! I personally think that the government should stop recognizing 'marriage' and only recognize unions. I think it is the church that should recognize marriages. Sure, you got some gays of religious persuasion who think that the religious institution applies to them, but the ones I know who get up in arms about it hate religion...and still want to enter into an institution of religious values...go figure. And I hate to clue you ATPG, but the DO have rights and they still demand attention. I am not saying that they are evil for it, but you asked why they get so much attention, and that is why, because they demand it. And like I said, from my own real life experience, those gays who act like normal people (ei don't go around flaunting their gayness at every opportunity) are treated exactly like everyone else. No one gives a toot that they are gay. They don't hide it, they don't avoid PDA, they just don't flaunt it like show-offs every two seconds. When religious people go out of their way to flaunt their religion and start defining themselves to everyone as religious, and wearing religious tshirts, and going on parades, and cannot have a conversation without bringing it up, people roll their eyes at them and people start feeling uncomfortable around them and even feeling animosity toward religion. It is the same thing with gays. If you want people to just relax and except you, then relax and stress what you have in common, not what is different. People need to see that you are a normal person like them, and that you have something in common. When you only ever stress what is different, you will be seen as a freak because you are not like anyone else. That is a stigma that you have to work for. I guarantee you that if gays stopped demanding attention and were just themselves, 99% of any anti-gay fever would dissipate. They could continue to work for any equal rights that they think they do not have without being a bunch of annoying, trollish, show-offs. I have little respect for anyone, man or woman, straight or gay, who goes marching in the street to demand that you pay attention to his/her sexual preference. I'll respect the gay who don't, but for being people, not for being gay. I don't respect anyone for being straight, and I ain't gonna respect anyone for being gay. The straight people I respect for being good people, and the gay people I respect for being good people. There is no line in my mind. The attention hungry retards who want to draw attention to their sexual preferences/fetishes/whatever, I have very little respect for, straight or gay, simply because they seem like pretty base, obnoxious people.Quote:
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So you think people should stop acting the way they want? :inquisitive:
And I'd be all for trying to convince my gf to have gay sex. My wife usually just rolls her eyes when I bring up the subject.