Cold war Cataclysm 1992 edition. [Concluded]

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Hey I got the title right this time!

Ahem, anyway, this is the thread for the second part of a game of politics in the 1980's. The first game, which can be found here, bombed due to the rules being too complex for me, lack of co-ordination between me and my writeup... er, guy and just general lazyness on my part. I cant do much about the latter because, well, I'm a lazy person, but, I am going to try to keep the other hampers of the last part of the game from repeating, or at least make sure that the game is fun.

Firstly I dont want any new recruits, It took me two weeks to do the role pms for 15 countries and I dont want to go through that again, you can replace players that have quit or do quit in the future but thats about it. Secondly dont point out that I havent explained what this game is, this isnt a proper sequel and the players allready know how to play the game.

Heres the recap from the timeskip:

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October-December 1981: The Sino-Russian war rages on chinese advance into eastern russia is halted as most of the troops were sent to try to evict the russian invasion of the southern Chinese coast. The Chinese troops sent to attack Moscow arrive and a war of attrition is fought in its streets as the russians cut them off from the middle east supply depots.

A british sleeper cell in moscow becomes active and detonates a 300KT bomb under the west wing of the kremlin. No-one was hurt and very little important was destroyed however as the entire facility had been evacuated to lenningrad when china attacked. The newly restored British army attacks the blockaded Russians. They take most of the western half of south africa and Russian and British squadrons engage around the Cape of Good Hope, each trying to cut off the others supply lines.

Czechoslovakia and West germany surrenders to their respective former allies.
The west german government is forcebly retired and the replacements are staunch NATO supporters only.
Warsaw is more harsh in its punishment; the czechoslovakian politicians are executed and half of its land and civillians are absorbed into the neigbouring countries.

Result: Sino-Russian war is stagnating and the British are slowly pushing the Russians out of South africa. Czechoslovakia has been castrated and the occuping NATO forces are still sitting in West Germany.

1982:

Chinese take moscow in May and turn it into a Fortress; Mines, hidden anti-tank troops, machine gun turrets etc are deployed. Russians in response sit their armies outside the city and make fake attacks and slowly trick the besiged chinese into wasting most of the ammunition. Chinese forces try multiple times to raid the russian countryside for food and russian depots for ammo and fuel but are dismayed as the russians have harvested and burned nearby farms and that any russian ordinance they find are unuseable with Chinese firearms. When the Russians truely attack in November they find that a quarter of the army has starved and over three quarters of the remainders had allready fled the city into the countryside some time ago mainly during the attempted farm raids.

Iran and Pakistan after being Embargo'd along with the rest of the NAP by russia joins in the war on china's side in Febuary and they kick the Russians out of southern china freeing the remaining Chinese to start the northern offensive anew. The war in South Africa ended after the Russians withdraw their troops to help fend off the new combatants and Britain reclaimed the country. Just like history the Argentinians invaded the falkland islands in April 1982 and like history the were driven off. Unlike history however an allready enraged Britain decided to send the Argentinian sea trade back 3 Millennia by bombing and shelling every port in the Argentinan coast. They did such a thorough job that the american astronauts said they were able to see the craters from space.


1983:

At the start of the year Iran, Pakistan and China renewed the northern war and pushed the Russian forces further back to the point that mongolia was completely encircled by the Chinese. The anti MEC, now Anti NAP, were brought into the war in May by promises of high grade weapons from russia and the middle eastern war restarted with the Egyptian, Arabian and Syrian armies moving into the lands previously occupied by the chinese troops sent to moscow. This act forced Iran and Pakistan to withdraw from China removing their numerical advantage and moving the Northern line back south.

After America threatened that they would join in on the side of China if they resisted, Russia was forced to withdraw all claims on east germany and let it rejoin with the West to form a Central Germany under NATO's jurisdiction. It is unknown if it the Warsaw pact will accept it in the long run but as the Americans were quick to point out; "those Russian sucker's cant do a thing about it".

1984:

A deadly chapter in the Sino-Russian war started. The United kingdom invaded the Russian controled Sakhalin island opening a third front. Due to Russia allready being overstretched as it is warsaw was called into the war and polish, hungarian romanian and the small amount of czechoslovakian troops were deployed to the front lines and entered a war of attrition as warsaw and the Royal navy battled over the arctic islands with many ships and troops on both sides being lost to not only the enemy but the cold.

1985: There have been many powers over the years. Many have risen many have fallen but few have ever made the effort to become a superpower. In the last 5 years the power that is known as india has made such an effort and has now risen to be the 5th World Superpower its economy had exploded and its industry had boomed its nuclear program has been sucessfull and it after 5 years of work it has become one of the big boys. Both the NAP and the Warsaw pact had weakened after 3 and 1/2 years of non stop violence and it has left them bloodied and destitute. Fighting a seemingly never ending standoff has taken its toll and when on 1985 India declared its demands that both sides will stand down and restore things to the status quo the war or be destroyed they had no choice but to count their blessings and declare a draw.

The war between Warsaw and China's allies had ended. The United kingdom and the Middle east coalition, relatively unharmed by war in comparison to the others, were not perturbed by the threats of the subcontinent and only declared peace after India forced the Chinese to restore the lands taken in the Middle east and the Russians to surrender Sahkalin, Severny and Yuzhny Islands to the Royal Navy. Seeing the British takeover of stratiegic posictions in the arctic the Americans offered Britain its old position in Nato in exchange for the permission to position Air and Naval bases on them. Seeing as the USSR would most likely try to destroy the United kingdom if they didnt have a powerfull ally when Russia's strength was restored, Britain accepted the alliance.

1986:

The Eastern Continent starts to rebuild from the war.
Tibetian rebels, seeing the weakness in China's military, attempt a full on rebellion for Tibet's freedom but due to the entire continent being reluctant to start another war in Asia support is minimal. The rebelion stagnates as the Chinese are unable to find and kill all the rebels and the rebels have difficulty accumilating enough weaponry to do much damage.

1987
Russia and China both report a 50% resoration of thier country and Russia pettitions the UN to force the UK to return the Sahkalin Island, the pettition fails. The USA, being the only world wide superpower at full strength, demand the Chinese and Russians to surrender and send their nuclear arsenals to the USA. China and Russia take it badly.

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Just kidding.

In essence during the first half of the 1980's the World went to hell and back as russia and china each showed mankinds progess in killing the man next door without the use of nuclear arms.
Map:

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I'm not sure its accurate and I've probably missed afew names or mislabled a country, anyway dont mae a fuss just tell me and I'll fix it.

Main changes from the old game:
1. We are dropping the whole economy system from the start, so no dicking around.
2. I am actually going to be doing the writeups.
3. If there is a mistake and we catch a mistake within 3 days I will correct it no matter the amount of work that needs modifying. Believe it or not but the Host isnt allways right.
4. Change 3 wont be accepted as an excuse to moan about the mistakes of the last game.

Excellent, and thus a new era may begin! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Also Greyblades, will our Role PM's be changing at all?

Could we have an updated list of who is who and if they are part of NATO/Warsaw/Non-aligned/Other ? Thank you.

I kind of lost track awhile ago.

From what I gather, NATO and Warsaw are both at Status quo (Czechoslovakia is rather messed up though), while India is it's own faction. The NAP is Pakistan, Iran, and China.

Is Turkey a part of the MEC now? Somalia is back to anarchy.

Turkey went back into nato so it could use the position to get its land back from china.

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ps: Wasn't Death is Yonder playing as Canada?

Sorry, I won't be playing as I'm a tad busy right now... And I'm already killing my self by playing Bleach Shippuden.
If I'm lucky, I could start playing from 29th but if not, I won't be able to play till early November.

I'm glad this showed up as the top thread in the forum. I'm not a gameroom regular so I might have missed it a couple days otherwise. :beam:

Nice to see India did ok during the timeskip, although they suddenly seem very alone... :sweatdrop:

I saw a mention of my activity in the last game with two rather different perspectives mentioned. I turned in a lot of orders and did a fair amount of diplomacy outside the main thread (pms, etc.). I can see how to someone I didn't deal with directly India could have seemed to not be extremely active. I had invoked an ability from my role pm that made India much weaker in the short term, in exchange for a stronger position later on, which forced me to lay low when possible.

Indian politics will be more active and open in this game, although I can only hope they're also more successful. :dizzy2:

China is ready to go. i have been waiting for this for quite a while. i am sort of bored with Capo because of the unbelievable following and bandwaggoning on people who are townies so i can't wait for this.

*mmph*...

*gestures wildly towards the "roadkill" playing at Canada"

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i am sort of bored with Capo because of the unbelievable following and bandwaggoning on people who are townies so i can't wait for this.

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I rather have that than being killed in the second night :cry:

Man.....this game well be NATO vs everyone else...:laugh4::laugh4:

Too many human players with NATO:juggle2:

Germany offers a round of Bratwurst, Saurkraut and Beer for everyone. Feel free to eat it on the Autobahn.

I'm back in. I'm just wondering whether I could play Australia instead of Brazil.

If I could play Tunisia instead of Japan, I'll play.
So I can accidentally miss a few orders and not get thumped for it.

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Firstly I dont want any new recruits, It took me two weeks to do the role pms for 15 countries and I dont want to go through that again

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Not the exact answer to your requests, but... you get the idea :sweatdrop:

Still... check with Greyblades/ wait for his reply, but I'm guessing the answer is in the negative :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

Not the exact answer to your requests, but... you get the idea :sweatdrop:

Still... check with Greyblades/ wait for his reply, but I'm guessing the answer is in the negative :dizzy2:

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Good point.

Some one can take over Japan then :bow:

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Originally Posted by Beskar

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ps: Wasn't Death is Yonder playing as Canada?

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Uh whoops I was using a older map so I could get the borders back to status quo and forgot about changeing roadkill to DIY :sweatdrop:.

Oh and beefy unless you have plans to do something specific you can just tell me to put japan on auto pilot untill you think you can handle it. It'l do very little unless it or an ally is attacked though.

Just a couple of questions -

Is India still part of the NAP?
Could the 'NAP' be renamed to something else by its members?
Did Spain join NATO after Franco's death and other similar real time-line events?
Is the USSR still in existence or has it reformed into Russia and the CIS?
etc

Also, what is sort of funny, Germany re-united in the real time-line in this period as well.

No.
Their problem.
Yes.
It's still the USSR.

I know.

Nap is probably going to dissolve as it is China and uh china. Pakistan is not a player and neither is iran. NATO isn't overloaded with human players and i didn't lose my greatest ally in Britain or anything. So i better ont hear any stupid demands like i change the name of my defunct alliance. :furious3: (BESKAR)

AVSM is pakistan.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Nap is probably going to dissolve as it is China and uh china. Pakistan is not a player and neither is iran. NATO isn't overloaded with human players and i didn't lose my greatest ally in Britain or anything. So i better ont hear any stupid demands like i change the name of my defunct alliance. :furious3: (BESKAR)

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AVSM is playing as Pakistan.

I didn't do a demand, I made an idea suggestion. I was thinking you could personalise it more to your tastes and what you want. Aka, more you.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Uh whoops I was using a older map so I could get the borders back to status quo and forgot about changeing roadkill to DIY :sweatdrop:.

Oh and beefy unless you have plans to do something specific you can just tell me to put japan on auto pilot untill you think you can handle it. It'l do very little unless it or an ally is attacked though.

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Righteo, I'll do that.
I might just send you a general direction of what I want Japan to do, and I'll let it go on auto pilot for the time being.

You have no Idea how psyched I am for this. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Are we sure AVSM is playing.

Oh so now it is NAP 2 NATO 10 :inquisitive:

Anyway it doesn't really matter, i just can't wait for this to start.

Yes, I'm playing.

Just checking, are countries with role pms whose players left before the end of the last game up for grabs by new or returning players? Like Indonesia, Cuba, Portugal, etc?

If this is streamlined, than I'm all in to try again.

Russia demands you send envoy's to it's Capital, it wishes to speak with others in person. Remember, if you skip out on this, someone else will get it. Russia works on first come, best deal, first served.

Would russia mind telling us why we need to send envoy's to its capitol? :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

Would russia mind telling us why we need to send envoy's to its capitol? :inquisitive:

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OOC: PM me :laugh4:

I am not so sure I want to..... seems to much like making a deal with the devil........

ahh forget it, my interest is officially peaked.

Canada would like to announce that it is selling premier wood products! Fine dining tables for the Russian Prime Minister? Carved chairs for the American President? Termites eating the "Fragile, Do Not Break" Boxes for your nuclear weapons?

Fear not! Canada has the best buy wood products stemming from quality trees. Remember! All you need is money... :deal2:

I've done a little expansion of the recap seeing as there was 5 years blank.

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

Canada would like to announce that it is selling premier wood products! Fine dining tables for the Russian Prime Minister? Carved chairs for the American President? Termites eating the "Fragile, Do Not Break" Boxes for your nuclear weapons?

Fear not! Canada has the best buy wood products stemming from quality trees. Remember! All you need is money... :deal2:

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It's Premiere :brood:

USA wonders if the USSR's Tsarina YLC the Mighty, will reply to its love letter, yes?

India's embassies are open for business and ready to receive any messages or diplomatic initiatives.

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Originally Posted by Zim

India's embassies are open for business and ready to receive any messages or diplomatic initiatives.

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NEWS REPORT:
Chairman Centurion1 has been found burning the words "NATO PWNZ j00" with Naplam on the Indian First Ministers front garden. When questioned, Chairman Centurion1 was quoted "I eat at McDonalds like a good capitalist dog, I so fat see? I watch TV all day and like fast cars, Asia really sucks" in a fake American accent. Indian officials desposited Chairman Centurion1 on the border, unconvinced and feeling sorry for him. Indian first minister Zim was quoted as saying "Desperate times bring desperate measures, you really have to feel sorry for the state of China at the moment."

I rather liked the pic. :clown:

Looks like we're rapidly closing on the starting year of the game. :beam:

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I've done a little expansion of the recap seeing as there was 5 years blank.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

If this is streamlined, than I'm all in to try again.

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so is jolt back in?

also, is Ignoramus Brazil again?

we need to figure out who is actually playing this. Plus a few more players to get us back to full numbers would not be to bad. See what I can do.

Ignoramus being Brazil is unfortunatly bad for him as he'll stand in my way to global domination as being a former colony. That is if I join, obviously. :P

ignoramus should play iran

Wow beskar thats really mature.

*Breaking News*

The preisdent of america, scumulus beskarus has been forced to step down. it appears that he is not an american and is actually iranian. we will bring you more coverage in the coming days.:clown:

I will play your little game, boyo

Russia wishes to apologize to the other nations. Vast amounts of paperwork cropped up as we are moving our offices from Leningrand back to Moscow. The Premiere will respond to each of you shortly.

-Sasha

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Wow beskar thats really mature.

*Breaking News*

The preisdent of america, scumulus beskarus has been forced to step down. it appears that he is not an american and is actually iranian. we will bring you more coverage in the coming days.:clown:

I will play your little game, boyo

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:laugh4: You been really sore about that since the first game and taken it out on me in other games as well.

first of all i am not sore about it. it is a game. second of all how have i been taking it out on you? That doesn't even make sense.

And you started this little smear campaign. Really i was writing things on indias lwan and impersonating an american.... :clown:

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And you started this little smear campaign. Really i was writing things on indias lwan and impersonating an american.... :clown:

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lies... you been doing secret talks about going to get at me and you even worked with Greyblades against me in another game. :laugh4: :beam: :clown:

yep..... and i got a nice padded room where you can be nice and safe from me.......

*psst* someone get the sedative.:clown:

I be honest, what this game sort of needs is more factions, powers and far far less status quo. Greyblades might hate it, but alternative history then basically almost replicating 1992 would be more interesting and opening up many new powers to new players, making the game a successor to the previous.

At the moment, it is:

8 players versus 2 players versus 2 players versus 1.

They will team-up, of course:shrug:

China, India and Russia would make for some killer troop numbers, I would think:juggle2:

Ouch, that is true.

But Russia and China.. working together with India?

It's too two-sided without making much sense.

then why don't we scrap the alliances all out no nato, no warsaw, no nap. who knows what would happen then.

Or give more countries to the other countries. Like get rid of some nations like portugal and make them non-affiliated, or make someone like brazil into iran, and add in the up and coming powers like Australia, etc. however, greyblades doesn't want any more players or anymore role pms to write. however, he could add in some players to like warsaw or nap that are not taken this round.

I think ignoramus, blackadder, and caius do not have countries yet, but either participated last time or showed interest. give them like iran, poland, somalia, etc.

OFF GAME-

I would rather not but i mean what choice do we have if it is nato vs. the world. Really no other option and then it just becomes 2 on 2 play with the 3 superpowers with an advantage. at least last round we mixed it up a little with the nap and added a third wheel. and i respect ylc for at least trying to make a European power center.

But Russia and China.. working together with India?
Thats up to the players. I think I'm starting to tire of this game, but I'm not going to quit, as of this moment the shackels are off, there wont be any politicians being killed automatically, no uprisings, no overrulements by congress/parliment/whatever and no nuclear restrictions. You want to play this game the way you want it go ahead I'm not going to stop you, If that includes nuking the world into slag thats your perogotive but either way there wont be anymore asspulls on my part to keep the game from turning into a nukefest... Well apart from one thing NATO members will have to declare Defcom 1 a turn earlier than launch if only to let the world kiss thier backsides goodbye.

Now if you dont mind I'm going to get the map updated find a way to pull Polands Role PM together and then we can start this sucker.

:bow: greyblades none of this was supposed to be any sort of questioning of your game. Personally i think the nuclear restrictions are great. Please keep those. And you are right, i would rather not be allied with russia and india anyway. Really there is nothing to change, just keep it the way it is.

YOUR GAME, YOUR RULES.

If i don't like it i can leave.......



Trust me i won't :sweatdrop:

Uh actually this for myself I was kinda getting bored with this game before the reboot so I'm kicking the restictions, either the game will get interesting as you lot start trying to keep eachother from pushing the button or the game ends as the world burns, either way I dont feel like I'm screwing everyone out of a conclusion just because I'm bored.

I had an idea for a game similar to this, which would be done after this game. I haven't decided on the time period (either middle ages style or futuristic) where you can either be a Ruler/Empire Builder, or you can be either a Hero/(General/Warband).

The latter work like mercanies, which can be hired out by the Ruler/(Empire builder) to help them do things such as acquire land/resource points for them and other things.

Through work, these can get more powerful or weaker as time passes, it is sort of a mixture of two games in one, and you can pick what you want your "end goal" to be.

It's a little early to talk of some grand everyone outside of NATO alliance. If we got some players playing countries outside of NATO (and there are plenty just among those with role pms already) we could have a world with three or more sides easily. I won't lie, I sent a pm to Russia as did many of the other players here I'm sure, but that doesn't mean I have an alliance with them, or that they want one (and YLC is a great player for having his own plans, and I'm sure he will surprise all of us in the new game.).

I tried to grab some players from one of my games, and CDF is going to check with a few people. Let's see how many players join before deciding that any side is overpowered...

So when can we get started. more players will be nice, but i wanna get this rolling.

is the game off, or what. There has been no activity lately

I think thats done. Ok sorry about the brief hiatus I had one heck of a shock getting used to AS Mathmatics homework. The map is done and Zim is helping me with the Role PM's seeing as he knows more about the worlds countries than me so I think we will be able to accomodate new players.

cool. Well if you need any help setting up the game than just ask. anything to ease the burden on you.

I read a thing about Mao the otherday, I have to admit, he was a pretty bad leader. He is like the Stalin of China, but really bad, as where Stalin's five-year plans succeeded, China was nothing compared to how it is today.

i don't actually like communist china, i am simply playing them. Yeah i think mao zedong was an imbecile too

Ok so it seems I was ignorant to Pever's resignation so I've been making a Polish Role PM for nothing and all I've doen is insult pever. Anyway with no further adue I declare this game started send in your orders turn will end on monday and I'll sort out any remaining problems as they appear.

Day 1: January 1st 1992.

Hey greyblades can we have list of players and their countries?

I am just a little lost at who is still in

With the exception of Pevergreen I think the map in the first post is accurate now.

Anyone else have any orders to send in or should I end the turn now?

Just a sec.
I'll be real quick

EDIT: orders sent :bow:

OK I think its about time I ended the first turn. Writeup to come in afew hours so you may aswell go off and do something else while finish up.

uh have troop numbers changed at all since the last game

Not unless you gained or lost a large amount of land in the last game.

what if you were involved in a global defining conflict?

I'd say you would have a smaller army than you did have seeing as you've been in a world shattering conflict that practically ruined your economy. But I assume that a downsize is not what you were thinking of.

But i don't KNOWQ how many troops i have. i don't mind if i lost some, but i can't just make a number up for myself, you see what i am getting at.

You have the same number as the amount you started with last time.

Oh that is fine that is ll i wanted to know

NATO got stronger though, we just traded happily, possibly sold some nations on the side weapons as they were worried about the warmongers in the East. All that jazz.

honestly i would say you stagnated. Nothing really different with you except you have more players (though we will see how many stay active.)