An Occultus Faction possibly (completely not) worked out?
First of all I'd like to apologise beforehand for resurrecting the paranoid "occultus" subject, I'm sure some people get a bit fed up with the whole thing, so sorry about that:embarassed:.
Anyway....
Was having a look throught the RS previews today and noticed the shield design for a Bosporan Kingdom unit matches up pretty well with two of the occultus sigs.
If your not convinced have a closer look in paint or something the various shapes seem to match, if your still not convinced then fair enough it's only a suggestion.
So maybe one of the occultus factions is the Bosporan Kingdom? or some other group related to the skythians?:juggle2:
Also what would you call the mythical animal on the shield? I'm guessing icthyo-something but i can't find an answer.
10-29-2009, 16:08
anubis88
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Wow... That's an interesting find... I think that you deserve for your wits to be informed if a occultus faction is the Bosphoran kingdom:clown:
First off, let's be clear: the unit is not from EB but from Roma Surrectum, so any similarities between a shield decoration from RS and an Occultus sig from EB are almost certainly meaningless coincidence.
Second, the Hippocampus, whether with wings or without, is an very common element in Phoenician, Greek, Roman, Etruscan and Punic mythology and iconography. For example, the Hippocampus on the RS unit looks a lot like one from the so-called Treasure of Croesus of Lydia.
Though of course, if you didn't already know it, the RS unit's deco is in fact a direct copy of a famous Sarmatian falera found in the river Don. I don't have a picture handy to upload but it's a reasonably common image in the literature.
SO there is not a whole lot to uniquely connect a Hippocampus to any particular faction, much less a Bosporan Crimea faction. The Hippocampus is just as likely to be linked to a North African Punic state as to a Black Sea Greek one. Also, I have to point out that the coins from this region mostly display Griffons, Lions, Pan and Hercules. Have a look.
Nice try.
10-29-2009, 19:23
Paltmull
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Originally Posted by bobbin
as i said in the OP it's a Bosporan Kingdom unit from the RS (Roma Surrectum) mod.
Ah, didn't know RS meant Roma Surrectum.
10-29-2009, 21:11
bobbin
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
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Originally Posted by oudysseos
First off, let's be clear: the unit is not from EB but from Roma Surrectum, so any similarities between a shield decoration from RS and an Occultus sig from EB are almost certainly meaningless coincidence.
I thought that considering you guy's share a lot of info and some members (kevarnos made the post i saw it in) there might be one, but i definitely see your point.
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Originally Posted by oudysseos
SO there is not a whole lot to uniquely connect a Hippocampus to any particular faction, much less a Bosporan Crimea faction. The Hippocampus is just as likely to be linked to a North African Punic state as to a Black Sea Greek one. Also, I have to point out that the coins from this region mostly display Griffons, Lions, Pan and Hercules. Have a look.
I was aware of the common motifs (you missed out sprigs of wheat and dolphins as well) but i thought you might have had different info to lead you to another choice. I still think its a hippocamp of some sort in the sig but as you say that doesn't narrow it down much, ah well..
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Originally Posted by oudysseos
Nice try.
It was wasn't it:yes:
10-29-2009, 22:20
Ibrahim
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
First of all I'd like to apologise beforehand for resurrecting the paranoid "occultus" subject, I'm sure some people get a bit fed up with the whole thing, so sorry about that:embarassed:.
Anyway....
Was having a look throught the RS previews today and noticed the shield design for a Bosporan Kingdom unit matches up pretty well with two of the occultus sigs.
If your not convinced have a closer look in paint or something the various shapes seem to match, if your still not convinced then fair enough it's only a suggestion.
So maybe one of the occultus factions is the Bosporan Kingdom? or some other group related to the skythians?:juggle2:
Also what would you call the mythical animal on the shield? I'm guessing icthyo-something but i can't find an answer.
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Originally Posted by Oudysseos
Nice try.
only one thing can describe Bobbin's situation now:clown: :
Hehe boy is my face red.....adjusted the thread title accordingly.
10-30-2009, 13:16
Horatius Flaccus
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
I think he is correct about the symbol, though. So it could still be true.
10-30-2009, 13:34
Bucefalo
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus
I think he is correct about the symbol, though. So it could still be true.
I think the same, the symbol seems to be that one. Another thing is to know if the symbol over red background represent the bosphorian kingdom or other occultus faction.
10-30-2009, 20:50
Ludens
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Hehe boy is my face red.....adjusted the thread title accordingly.
That's really not necessary. It's quite possible the first post of this thread got closer to guessing a faction than did the entire previous occultus thread. Anyway, you can only change thread titles for a short time after posting them. If you want to change it afterwards, you have to ask a moderator.
10-30-2009, 22:25
Ibrahim
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Hehe boy is my face red.....adjusted the thread title accordingly.
don't be. you probably got it right-you only "fail" for getting it right for the wrong reasons.:clown:
10-31-2009, 16:29
Andronikos
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
The idea of that being an ichtycentaur came in the previous occultus thread, but this is dicovery of something VERY similar. But I think that the faction it represents has more eastern destination.
10-31-2009, 17:20
hekk
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A good try, I think. I certainly hope there is a Bosporan faction.
11-02-2009, 23:14
Phalanx300
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Well he wasn't denying that is wasn't the creature, so its an faction of the peoples he listed so at least another "civilized" faction.
And another thing, if anyone would actually crack the occultus and gues correctly would the EB team tell so or would they try to make him think otherwise? :inquisitive:
11-03-2009, 10:35
bobbin
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
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Originally Posted by Phalanx300
Well he wasn't denying that is wasn't the creature, so its an faction of the peoples he listed so at least another "civilized" faction.
Going by coinage the most times I've seen the symbol has been on coins from Taras, Phoenicia and Syracuse.
The first two are unlikely so maybe Syracuse?, it is a very common widely spread symbol though (it was even popular with the indogreeks) so i'm not that certain and this was from just looking at coins.
11-03-2009, 11:47
Phalanx300
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Going by coinage the most times I've seen the symbol has been on coins from Taras, Phoenicia and Syracuse.
The first two are unlikely so maybe Syracuse?, it is a very common widely spread symbol though (it was even popular with the indogreeks) so i'm not that certain and this was from just looking at coins.
Syracuse would make a great faction, rather a powerfull city state then yet another minor Succesor kingdom like Pergamon.
They would definately be one of my favourites if they are in:2thumbsup:.
Besides the Koinon ofcourse, they have the Spartans. :sweatdrop:
11-03-2009, 12:35
Skullheadhq
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Nice clone of the Occultus thread that got closed, what a pity was that.
11-06-2009, 13:59
Brennus
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What the heck is Occultus anyway?
11-06-2009, 17:05
Skullheadhq
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Nobody really knows.
11-06-2009, 17:13
anubis88
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
What the heck is Occultus anyway?
Occultus is latin for hidden
11-06-2009, 17:46
Brennus
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I gets ya now!
11-07-2009, 11:07
Meneldil
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Don't EB and RS share some members? If that's the case, your guess might very well have some basis. Or not.
11-07-2009, 14:32
bobbin
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Originally Posted by Meneldil
Don't EB and RS share some members? If that's the case, your guess might very well have some basis. Or not.
A few, Keravnos who made the thread is the faction coordinator for various factions and a long time (EB) member.
11-10-2009, 17:34
Skullheadhq
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You were right after all, check the new preview!
11-10-2009, 18:31
bobbin
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yeah I saw it yesterday, even if it was a bit of a fluke I'm still feeling mighty pleased with myself:yes:
11-10-2009, 18:41
Skullheadhq
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
only one thing can describe Bobbin's situation now:clown: :
how did I fail? as I said, he got this for guessing correcly, for the wrong reasons.:clown:
but I have to say this: congrats Bobbin:2thumbsup:
here's a balloon:balloon2:
11-11-2009, 02:21
bobbin
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Thanking you:yes:
11-11-2009, 08:20
Ionut Alex
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First of all yes I know how this sounds bu what exactly is an Occultus faction :embarassed::embarassed::embarassed:
11-11-2009, 09:13
ziegenpeter
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Its an upcoming faction wich has not been revealt. The team members working on that faction have a sig banner saying "Occultis" and showing tiny bits of the faction's symbol
11-17-2009, 19:53
Owen Glyndwr
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
And if you guess the faction correctly, as evinced by the Sauromatae preview, the EB team will announce the occultus.
11-18-2009, 13:44
machinor
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
The game is on again!!
11-19-2009, 12:54
moonburn
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
my guess is on the arevaci
celtiberians on the iberian peninsula to make it fun over there cause it gets pretty boring sometimes unleass on those rare ocasions where carthies and luso´s are challanged by both romani/arverni and the greeks
also this time with cimmeria in the greek cities on the pontos euxinus will no longer rebel to the kh and with syracuse (trully wishing those one´s) maybe in an alliance with massilya (a kind of chromeniades league but with the western greeks of syracure and massilia trying to reconquer the western mediterranium ) playing the kh will be less of a problem regarding those rebelious greeks scaterred around the mediterranium (altough this less dificulty can make it a tad boring)
11-19-2009, 16:29
anubis88
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moonburn
my guess is on the arevaci
celtiberians on the iberian peninsula to make it fun over there cause it gets pretty boring sometimes unleass on those rare ocasions where carthies and luso´s are challanged by both romani/arverni and the greeks
also this time with cimmeria in the greek cities on the pontos euxinus will no longer rebel to the kh and with syracuse (trully wishing those one´s) maybe in an alliance with massilya (a kind of chromeniades league but with the western greeks of syracure and massilia trying to reconquer the western mediterranium ) playing the kh will be less of a problem regarding those rebelious greeks scaterred around the mediterranium (altough this less dificulty can make it a tad boring)
Why would they do that? I mean joining Massylia and Syracuse would be completely out of the EB spirit for representing history.
11-19-2009, 18:55
oudysseos
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Quote:
Chromeniades League
Hadn't heard of that one... are they trying to force us all to use Google's web browser? It works o.k., I guess.
I'm kinda scared of this idea: either you're talking about filling up your Medium Sized Terranium with bear feces or the music of Ella Fitzgerald, which doesn't really fit the Western motif. Neither of those is really our scene, man.
To sum up: are you suggesting that one of our factions be Syrian Volunteer Medics, who force other factions to use Google Chrome, while living in Glass Jars filled with miniature cacti, armadillos and bear droppings? It's doubtful, I have to say. What would the faction symbol be?
11-19-2009, 19:14
Tux
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Originally Posted by Owen Glyndwr
And if you guess the faction correctly, as evinced by the Sauromatae preview, the EB team will announce the occultus.
Not just guess, demonstrate like bobbin. Otherwise it doesn't matter, if all would post "I think one the new factions is Bartyx" eventualy someone will be right.
11-19-2009, 20:23
Owen Glyndwr
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
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Originally Posted by Tux
Not just guess, demonstrate like bobbin. Otherwise it doesn't matter, if all would post "I think one the new factions is Bartyx" eventualy someone will be right.
My mistake, it is as you say.
11-19-2009, 23:51
bobbin
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
I should point out that working out a new occultus faction would be kinda hard since there is only one occultus sig still knocking about (I remember a second one but it seems to have disappeared) which IIRC is not a faction symbol but a building.
To sum up: are you suggesting that one of our factions be Syrian Volunteer Medics, who force other factions to use Google Chrome, while living in Glass Jars filled with miniature cacti, armadillos and bear droppings? It's doubtful, I have to say. What would the faction symbol be?
:laugh4:
11-20-2009, 00:25
Ibrahim
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
I should point out that working out a new occultus faction would be kinda hard since there is only one occultus sig still knocking about (I remember a second one but it seems to have disappeared) which IIRC is not a faction symbol but a building.
is there a face on that that's being obscurred? in the middle, and a bit right, it looks as if there was a painting of something in a fleshy tone.:inquisitive:
11-20-2009, 01:01
Moros
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enjoy:
11-20-2009, 03:12
bobbin
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Thats the one i remember, I can only say it looks vaguely celtic so maybe the Boii or a celtiberian or belgic tribe. :juggle2:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
is there a face on that that's being obscurred? in the middle, and a bit right, it looks as if there was a painting of something in a fleshy tone.:inquisitive:
No idea, the only thing i can make out is possibly a hand just below the O.
11-20-2009, 07:49
Ibrahim
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
enjoy:
that's a lion's head on there! a lion's head! (notice the snout at the front)!
now whether that's a full lion or not I dunno. but if it is, it leaves a few options. what they are, I dunno :clown:
11-20-2009, 09:51
Apázlinemjó
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
The latest retweets deal with barbaroi units, maybe we get a barbarian faction in the next preview?
I don't know for sure but that "lump" above the first U somehow makes me think that its supposed to be a bull. Therefore I wuld supsect were dealing with a celtiberian faction (maybe)
11-20-2009, 11:52
machinor
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Since insignia in coins are often used as faction symbols I googled for Boii coins. I found this replica of an existing coin:
The motif on the right could be the one on the Occultus signature Moros posted. The revealed section above the "c" could be a nose.
Yeah I had a look at that pic too, wasn't convinced though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
that's a lion's head on there! a lion's head! (notice the snout at the front)!
now whether that's a full lion or not I dunno. but if it is, it leaves a few options. what they are, I dunno :clown:
I can't really see it, care to explain further?
If it is a lion's head the a really goood candidate would be the Kingdom of Kartli. https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/...iscoinslt4.jpg
It is actually suppposed to be a wolf but it looks quite lion like.
11-20-2009, 14:27
Tux
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You never stop, don't you?:tongue2:
11-20-2009, 14:53
Horatius Flaccus
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
It looks very Celtic to me too. Because it is Moros' signature, I would say it's probably Belgic. But that's just guesswork with a bit of logic.
*looking for evidence right now*
11-20-2009, 15:07
Tux
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
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Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus
It looks very Celtic to me too. Because it is Moros' signature, I would say it's probably Belgic. But that's just guesswork with a bit of logic.
*looking for evidence right now*
Looks like Epeiros to me... :rolleyes:
11-20-2009, 18:08
Apázlinemjó
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
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Originally Posted by Tux
Looks like Epeiros to me... :rolleyes:
Givin' a hint? :shocked3:
11-20-2009, 19:38
bobbin
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Originally Posted by Tux
You never stop, don't you?:tongue2:
Only for Jesus.:clown:
11-20-2009, 20:41
Owen Glyndwr
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
For the one Moros provided, the form to the left (near the O), looks like a jaguar or panther or leopard (just one of those big cats, I know some of those aren't indiginous to the old world)
Just throwing it out there.
Also the lion observation comes from the v-shape above the s, whoch kind of looks like a lion's snout at 3/4 view.
So it could be possibly a multi-headed cat-like...thing.
EDIT: Is it at all possible that it is depicting a cerberus?
11-20-2009, 22:41
Ibrahim
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Yeah I had a look at that pic too, wasn't convinced though.
I can't really see it, care to explain further?
If it is a lion's head the a really goood candidate would be the Kingdom of Kartli. https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/...iscoinslt4.jpg
It is actually suppposed to be a wolf but it looks quite lion like.
well, as Owen said lately, I noticed the nose and the tail of the thing (nose above s, the tail above and behind O.)
but yeah, what of the hump on the U area? that really confuses stuff.
how about nabatean coins? any lions on them? (I'm not saying this is nabataea, but hey, its possible). your suggestion of Kartli though looks promising.
@Owen: Leopard. Jaguars are new world, and Panthers are just over colored leopards (or jaguars). they're black from too much melanin in their fur.
11-21-2009, 01:46
Owen Glyndwr
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Yeah, I realize that now. I was in class when I posted that, and spent the rest of the hour doing research on big cats hehe.
Found a few coins with a "panther" on them, but nothing with a panther and a lion.
I was briefly thinking it was maybe a Herakles type thing with a lion mounted on his head (though probably not.)
11-21-2009, 06:54
Brave Brave Sir Robin
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Owen Glyndwr
EDIT: Is it at all possible that it is depicting a cerberus?
I thought that too when I first saw it and then the Epiros mention makes me think that even more. Remember the Epirotes generals have a cerberus on their shields. I don't know what that might mean, Syracuse maybe?
11-21-2009, 11:58
Moros
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
this one is harder apparantly
11-21-2009, 12:54
anubis88
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
To me this seems definetly like a Celtic simbol....
SNG Vol: VII 559 Manchester University Museum
State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
Ruler: Name: Hieron II Ruler: Name: Hieron II
OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club.
REV Inscription: IE REV Inscription: IE
REV Secondary Inscription: T REV Secondary Inscription: T
Period: 3rd cent -300 -200 Period: 3rd cent -300 -200
Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35 Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35
Wear: Very worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Very worn or Struck Cast: Struck
Acquisition: Acquisition:
Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216 Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216
ID: SNGuk_0700_0559 ID: SNGuk_0700_0559
https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2257/14072510.jpg
SNG Vol: VIII 224 Blackburn Museum
State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
Ruler: Name: Agathocles Ruler: Name: Agathocles
REV Symbol: above, mono REV Symbol: above, mono
OBV Description: Persephone l. REV Description: Bull butting l.; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone L. Rev Description: Bull butting l., above, club.
OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE
Period: Last quarter 4th cent. Period: Last quarter 4th cent. -325 -300 -325 -300
Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9 Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9
Wear: Worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Worn or Struck Cast: Struck
Reference: Reference:
Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth/Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth / Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f
ID: SNGuk_0800_0224 ID: SNGuk_0800_0224
SNG Vol: VII 559 Manchester University Museum
State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
Ruler: Name: Hieron II Ruler: Name: Hieron II
OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club.
REV Inscription: IE REV Inscription: IE
REV Secondary Inscription: T REV Secondary Inscription: T
Period: 3rd cent -300 -200 Period: 3rd cent -300 -200
Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35 Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35
Wear: Very worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Very worn or Struck Cast: Struck
Acquisition: Acquisition:
Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216 Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216
ID: SNGuk_0700_0559 ID: SNGuk_0700_0559
https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2257/14072510.jpg
SNG Vol: VIII 224 Blackburn Museum
State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
Ruler: Name: Agathocles Ruler: Name: Agathocles
REV Symbol: above, mono REV Symbol: above, mono
OBV Description: Persephone l. REV Description: Bull butting l.; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone L. Rev Description: Bull butting l., above, club.
OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE
Period: Last quarter 4th cent. Period: Last quarter 4th cent. -325 -300 -325 -300
Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9 Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9
Wear: Worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Worn or Struck Cast: Struck
Reference: Reference:
Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth/Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth / Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f
ID: SNGuk_0800_0224 ID: SNGuk_0800_0224
Quote: "Germanic cultural fondness for tree symbolism appears to have been widespread, with other patron trees such as Thor's Oak appearing in surviving accounts (8th century)"
That could be any Germanic faction. Then again any Germanic faction would be good, Chatti would be great, though perhaps the team goes for a more distant Germanic faction then again Germania was similar to Greece in earlier time, many loose states warring against eachother so having a couple of powerfull factions there would be somewhat Historical. :inquisitive:
Still hoping on an Batavian unit. :2thumbsup:
11-22-2009, 23:30
Ca Putt
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
imo a bit far fetched as it solely relies on the font(which is a vaild clue tho) and the world tree was not only holy to the Chatti ... but you know that.
that definately is the least conclusive sig of them all, I can't even see consistency in any way, with the hint towards the germanics or factions with the "barbarian" culture slot, those stripes could be seen as Trees on the other Sigs I could atleast differnenciate between Logo and background but not with this one.
Chatti would be cool indeed especially as it would support my positon in an other mod :DDD
11-24-2009, 20:22
machinor
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
I'd say that the use of coin imagery as EB faction symbols has provided numismatics with the greatest popularity boost since... ever!
11-25-2009, 10:36
Horatius Flaccus
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
If it really is a lion in Moros' signature it could also be Massalia. Just look at this coin:
I doubt its Massalia, the DEVs have dismissed it before I believe. Regardless they were just one small colony there, not really an expansive state.
I think it is probably Celtic, the font would fit such and also maybe that creature is a boar? (which I believe were used as symbols by the Celts)
11-25-2009, 22:29
Apázlinemjó
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by hekk
I doubt its Massalia, the DEVs have dismissed it before I believe. Regardless they were just one small colony there, not really an expansive state.
I think it is probably Celtic, the font would fit such and also maybe that creature is a boar? (which I believe were used as symbols by the Celts)
As in EB1 I think Aedui will have the boar as symbol again, but who knows? Maybe not?
11-25-2009, 23:05
Horatius Flaccus
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by hekk
I doubt its Massalia, the DEVs have dismissed it before I believe. Regardless they were just one small colony there, not really an expansive state.
You are right, but you can't say that the 'Koinon Hellenon' was that expansive either. And since Massalia was strongly allied with Emporion, you could have two cities.
11-26-2009, 01:51
Sarcasm
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
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Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus
You are right, but you can't say that the 'Koinon Hellenon' was that expansive either. And since Massalia was strongly allied with Emporion, you could have two cities.
Was it?
11-26-2009, 15:23
Horatius Flaccus
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
I thought I read something about troops send by Massalia to aid Emporion, but I can't recall where I read it...
