Seven Man Scrimmage V - Red Herring Mafia [Concluded]

22:57, 2nd October 1911, Carnegie Hotel, Pittsburgh, PA

The ballroom of the Carnegie Hotel is identical to Versailles' Hall of Mirrors, just without the mirrors. Massive in every dimension, and with walls covered in priceless art, it is the pinnacle of luxury in Edwardian America. It is so brightly illuminated by the colossal chandeliers that loomed over the visitor, that even at 11'o clock at night, the incomer would have to squint when he entered. Once the eyes had focused, they would naturally lay themselves upon the dominating glass panniers that hovered overhead. As the visitor began to count the twelve regularly inter-spaced baubles, he would notice that the seventh one was not in it's proper position. Rather, it was lying on the floor, in a thousand more pieces than it should have been, on top of a pair of shiny black shoes.

This particular visitor strode through the crowd of tuxedo-d middle aged men fretting around him towards the shoes. As he got there, some of the suited men had managed to push the beast of a chandelier of the shoes, which were revealed to be attached to a pair of legs which belonged to Mr Subotan, the master professional. Or, the late Mr Subotan, as Mr Subotan had recently undergone intense crushing, a death by tackiness. As the visitor knelt down and rolled the body over to confirm it's identity, a little blood could be seen to have stained the collar of the late gentleman's tuxedo. Around the cadaver, the suits were variously sobbing or gawking at the disaster which had just befell the convention.

The new arrival sighed and stood up. As he lit a cigarette, he raised his eyes to the banner draped over the long wall of the ballroom and cursed. For on that banner was printed, in foot high letters:

WELCOME
BUTLERS OF THE WORLD

Welcome to Subotan's first mafia game, a game inspired by the above Far Side cartoon! This is the latest in the now well established Seven Man Scrimmage series started by Diamondeye (Please don't kill me for pinching the SVS name), and I intend for this to be a simple game, yet one in which you are all kept in the dark.

Sign ups are CLOSED

Sign Ups 7/7
Thermal Mercury
Yaropolk
Cent1
Cow Tools Double A
Methos
Secura
ATPG

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I love the Far Side :3

And can I count that as an In?

IN, my friend :bow:

i'm in

in of course.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

I love the Far Side :3

And can I count that as an In?

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Nah I was just going out of my way to post Cow Tools in a random thread :wink:

I'm absolutely fine with you using the name. This looks like an interesting setup, I will be lurking with great interest!

It's not going to have any amazing new mechanics, but the write ups should be interesting.

I'm in.

I'm in too. :3

Come on, just one more. It's a murder mystery at the World Butler Convention, that's got to have some takers.

Vote: The Butler

someone sign up. is it just me or are games lagging right now.

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Originally Posted by Methos

Vote: The Butler

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You are one mighty shrewd mafia player.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

someone sign up. is it just me or are games lagging right now.

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Games are lagging right now

You need players. I'll sign up.

Yay, we've got a game on now! \o/

Yay

I'll aim to start it at 12:00 GMT

Everyone now has a PM.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN

The Pittsburgh Post

Convention Continues: Threat of Raging Psychopath "Exaggerated"

Despite the recent death of the esteemed Mr. Subotan, The World Butler Convention will continue. A spokesperson for the Convention, Mr Pevergreen issued a statement yesterday evening:

"Although it is of course incredibly unfortunate that the front-runner for the 'Best British Butler' Prize was impaled by three hundred shards of glass, the Convention's managers have decided not to cancel the Convention. There is no evidence yet that his death was the result of foul play, and the rumours of a 'mafia' who want everyone in the Convention disembowelled are clearly exaggerated, despite the messages written in blood on the Hotel's walls."

Third Party sources suspect that the convention will continue due to the power of the aristocratic families who have bankrolled the competition, and whose butlers are competing for the top prize. Mr Sniffleburg, the master of the late Mr. Subotan, was reported to have received phone calls from other members of the upper class which consisted of braying, taunts and quotes such as "That'll serve you right for shooting my bloodhound on Greenham Moor!". Mr Sniffleburg in a press conference said

It's a terrible crime, and the culprit should be apprehended and feel the full force of the law as quickly as possible. The destruction of such a beautiful chandelier is a monstrous act, and the fact that it puts me out of the running for winning "Best British Butler" prize only makes it worse!

Pittsburgh Police are currently conducting a investigation, with Inspector Collings leading the inquiry.

EDIT:Night should start iin 24 hours.

Woot.

Vote: No lynch

Is it just me, or is it best in a seven man game to always Vote: No Lynch on the first day?

vote: abstain

bad move to take a random lynch in a mini mafia.

Ugh, you're all cowards.

In other news, I have decided that the competition of "Best British Butler" will be open to all butler characters. The winner is the butler who posts the most posts by the end of the game. Of course, you can't win if you're dead, so you have to be alive by the end of the game to win.

Let me take a crack at breaking it down for those interested:

If: 1 murderous scum, 6 basic townies

Choosing not to lynch forces the 1 murderer to eliminate 1 of the wrong choices, which enables the 5 remaining townies to have a statistically better chance of eliminating the mafia. A 1/5 chance of guessing correctly on the second round instead of 1/6 on the first round.

And, due to the fact that there would still be 4 townies remaining after that lynch, the town can still make a mistake. 2 lynches at much better odds.

If: 2 murderous scum who don't know each other, 5 basic townies

Choosing not to lynch forces them to take a chance at accidentally hitting their own partner. Even if they do not, that leaves 2 scums remaining and 4 basic townies, giving you a 2/5 chance of hitting a mafia. 40% isn't bad.

If: 2 murderous scums who know each other, 5 basic townies

Slightly worse, but then your major problem is if you miss on the first lynch, and then get a murder as well. Then you have 2 scumbags who know each other versus 3 townies who do not, which means ALL THREE townies must avoid hitting each other, the worst case scenario for a mini game.

Better to have 2 scums and 4 townies, for an ever-so-slight margin of error. That way even if one townie makes a mistake, the other 3 can save the day.

Also, the scums would be able to murder one more time before the game is even over. You could force it down to 2 scums and 3 townies by delaying twice in a row, giving you that 50% chance of eliminating a mafia if the three of you guess correctly.

This is the toughest game, where it may be better to put your two shots together, a first lynch which has a 2/6 chance of hitting a scum and the second lynch which has a 50% chance, you have a combined total of 83% chance of hitting a scum with the two. The only issue is that the mafia will make it very difficult to get the right response, so it isn't as simple as random chance.

What No Lynch does do is it helps you immensely if the game isn't all basic townies versus 2 scums who know each other. People generally seem to agree that such a set-up is just about unbalanced, especially if the first lynch doesn't go well, then it's nearly impossible to win.

Other than that worst case scenario, which I don't think Subotan would set up for his first mini game that I've seen him host, I'd bet on the No Lynch option to reduce our bad options by one.

Does someone want to double check my numbers, though? most of these assume that you don't vote for yourself.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Ugh, you're all cowards.

In other news, I have decided that the competition of "Best British Butler" will be open to all butler characters. The winner is the butler who posts the most posts by the end of the game. Of course, you can't win if you're dead, so you have to be alive by the end of the game to win.

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Posts the most posts?

Host, the one who boasts the most posts won't even be close. Here's a dose of reality, I post by the gross, and the competition I'll roast. They don't stand a chance of a ghost; I shall coast to victory and give them a toast.

uhhhhhhhhh trhis counts as a post as well.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

uhhhhhhhhh trhis counts as a post as well.

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I think you should only give partial credit for it.

PS- this could easily turn into a spamfest so let's not and say we did.

vote: no lynch

yeah ill try to avoid spamming

Since this is a far side mafia, the killer is obviously the baddest cow in the world! Seriously though, ATPG's numbers are off a bit but he has the right idea. With 1 scum, the chance or randomly lynching him before the game is over is around 78%, and with 2 scum it's around 67%. The odds go up with pro town roles or if scum don't know each other.

Vote no lynch

You know what?

To please our gracious host and stir the pot, so to speak, I'm going to vote: Askthepizzaguy. Sure, the vote isn't really going to amount to much, but it's a game, it's for funsies... :P

Pizza, your explanation of the chances of town success was a really cute touch, but ultimately just struck me as common sense. I look forward to your mozarella-based rebuttal! :P

vote: secura to many pizza jokes when centurions waiting for a juicy, delicious, steak. *wipes mouth*

I apologise to your poor stomach, Cent!

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Originally Posted by Secura

You know what?

To please our gracious host and stir the pot, so to speak, I'm going to vote: Askthepizzaguy. Sure, the vote isn't really going to amount to much, but it's a game, it's for funsies... :P

Pizza, your explanation of the chances of town success was a really cute touch, but ultimately just struck me as common sense. I look forward to your mozarella-based rebuttal! :P

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No rebuttal is warranted. Common sense sometimes needs a little bit of math to back it up.

Your vote would be better elsewhere, of course, but that's also common sense. :bow:

Indeed, it certainly would, I have no doubts about that.

I merely wanted to spice things up a little, rather than seven clear 'no lynch' votes.

Stands by and waits patiently for the Jihad and thousands of Sipahis.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

vote: secura to many pizza jokes when centurions waiting for a juicy, delicious, steak. *wipes mouth*

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unvote; vote: secura lets see who breaks the tie

Surprisingly, the butlers did not attempt to find out the killer immediately. They all seemed quite content to lie around and eat this new fangled pizza meal that had just arrived with some Italian immigrants, and was currently the height of sophistication in Pittsburgh. But by no means were these butlers a multi-cultural lot, as their persecution of one particular butler showed. His funny accent, tendency to ramble and curious, almost drawn features all drew votes to Secura. Eventually, it was decided, in a rather nonchalant fashion that Secura was probably the killer, and was thus set upon by the butlers. Yaropolk and Centurion1 each drew their corkscrews, let out a mighty roar and attacked Secura, knocking him to ground so that the pair could unscrew Secura's eyes from his face.

When the deed was done, a thorough inspection of the corpse revealed that

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Secura was Nestor
http://www.gorianet.it/tintin/dessins/nestor.jpg
He was just a townie!

Embarassed by what they had done, the remaining butlers decided that now would be a good time to go back to their bedrooms.

Night will end in 24 Hours, OR once all of you who have night abilities have sent their orders in. As there are only seven people, it shouldn't be too much trouble to bring forward day by a few hours. Regardless, it will end at 16:00 GMT tomorrow, whether you have sent orders in or not.

Good job!

If I was mafia, do you really think I would have drawn attention to myself by deciding not to vote no lynch?

EDIT: Subotan, just noticed that I recieved two votes (Centurion and Yaropolk), whereas No Lynch recieved three (Pizza, Methos, Thermal). I should still be alive... what gives? :<

So much for no lynch (and I hate no lynches but see it as a good plan here). Though to be fair it isn't entirely yaropolk's and centurion's faults, seeing as secura was the person who voted for something other than no lynch in the first place.

A rough start it would seem. :brood:

If no lynch was not permitted, the rules should have stated as such and the host should have pointed it out to you, Pizza and Methos who all voted as such, no?

I'm hardly likely to want to draw attention to myself if I'm mafia, treacle; I'd simply bandwagon no lynch like everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Secura

EDIT: Subotan, just noticed that I recieved two votes (Centurion and Yaropolk), whereas No Lynch recieved three (Pizza, Methos, Thermal). I should still be alive... what gives? :<

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Oh no! I treated the No Lynches as Abstains! :sweatdrop::sweatdrop::sweatdrop:

I'm really sorry, this was completely my fault, but it doesn't seem like there's much I can do. If it was a big game, of, say, 40 people, or if I hadn't revealed, then I would be more than happy to resurrect you. However, the compact nature of the game means that that isn't really feasible...

I feel really stupid, as I was wondering earlier today about the difference between the two, and I decided (wrongly) that there wasn't any difference. To make it up to you, I'll save you a spot in every mafia game I host from now on, if you want.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Oh no! I treated the No Lynches as Abstains! :sweatdrop::sweatdrop::sweatdrop:

I'm really sorry, this was completely my fault, but it doesn't seem like there's much I can do. If it was a big game, of, say, 40 people, or if I hadn't revealed, then I would be more than happy to resurrect you. However, the compact nature of the game means that that isn't really feasible...

I feel really stupid, as I was wondering earlier today about the difference between the two, and I decided (wrongly) that there wasn't any difference. To make it up to you, I'll save you a spot in every mafia game I host from now on, if you want.

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It's okay, really. I actually made the very same mistake in my own mini-game a few weeks ago; I believed they were the same thing at one point too, but was hastily corrected by half my players. Fun times! xD

I thought about it and realised that even if I was reinstated, as it were, I'd be night-killed anyway. It won't stop me from signing up for your games anyway, don't worry about it; I look forward to the next one! :3

I wish everyone luck and hope the town overcomes the scum so that I didn't die in vain. :<

alright yaro your scum.

my vote was an obvious joke and you just got her killed for it.

Yeah, no lynch means you don't wanna lynch, and abstain means you don't care one way or the other.

...sigh.

Maybe no lynch isn't such a good idea, it hasn't worked in the past 2 games.

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Originally Posted by Double A

Maybe no lynch isn't such a good idea, it hasn't worked in the past 2 games.

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In the other game the vote was too close to force it to happen. And it would have been an EXCELLENT idea, as we just saw. In this game it didn't work because of non-game-related reasons.

How dare you criticize MY no lynch strategy? :brood:

Oh please great Blitzmaster, I beg forgiveness for my insolence! I don't deserve the honor of reading your posts!

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Oh please great Blitzmaster, I beg forgiveness for my insolence! I don't deserve the honor of reading your posts!

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He says as he sends in the order to murder me...

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

alright yaro your scum.

my vote was an obvious joke and you just got her killed for it.

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Hi Pot, my name is Kettle, nice to meet you. I am sure Secura found your joke hilarious!

I agree that no lynch was better idea for same reasons as ATPG. I missed Methos' no lynch vote because of how he phrased it, so I thought I am tying it up 2 - 2 between Secura and No Lynch to see if a scum would be tempted to cast the deciding vote to get the D1 lynch.

I learned from the best.

It's okay, Subotan simply got confused between No Lynch and Abstain; it can happen when you're a new host, I did the exact same. No Lynch would have worked otherwise, though. Don't criticise the idea of doing it in a first round; I simply wanted to stir things up a little so it wasn't seven people wasting a round, and it appears I paid the price for that. It puts the town on the backfoot slightly, yes, but the game's far from over yet.

I'd take notice of Centurion's last post, also; he just stated the exact same feeling I had when I read I was lynched. Go figure. :3

I'd like to add that the reasons I did not vote no lynch were twofold:

- I wanted to stir things up a little and see if any mafia would switch their votes to me; someone who decides to lynch in a first round is a soft target; I drew attention to myself by doing so and waited to see who would bite. Remember, if I had been mafia myself, I would not have risked things by deviating my vote.

- I was actually away from my computer all day, and I came home to see that the majority of people were either voting for no lynch or abstaining entirely. I didn't want to look suspicious by being one of the last to hop on the bandwagon, so went with the aforementioned plan.

but the difference is yaro i didnt actually want to lynch her and it was not going to make a difference if she had one vote on her. then you jumped on and it became serious.

your vote made the difference and why would you ever want an actual tie. no mafia is that stupid.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

no mafia is that stupid.

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But they can be that meticulous.

I was a little confused at first, but just assumed no lynch equated to abstain in this game.

Everyone has sent in their orders, so I'll start the day phase now.

Askthepizzaguy leaned back in chair and sighed. He had just spent the day co-ordinating the efforts of the hapless butlers, and he deserved a rest. With a log fire crackling in the fireplace of his hotel suite, some Edgar Allen Poe in his lap and a glass of the finest brandy Pennsylvania has to offer in his hand, Askthepizzaguy was enjoying the good life at the Carnegie hotel, despite the ever present threat of death.

He took a long, deep sip of his brandy. And then another. He drank so many anothers in fact, that pretty soon, the his bottle, a gift, had run out. Askthepizzaguy reached to the telephone and put the ear piece to his ear and asked room service for more brandy. Staying a in a hotel full of butlers, it was hardly likely to take very long.

After a minute or so, pounding thuds could be heard at the door to his apartment. Askthepizzaguy, unsure as to why the knocks were so aggressive, hesitated. It turned out there was no need for him to get up, as the door was kicked in by a towering figure who filled the room with his presence and sent Askthepizzaguy stumbling to the floor in shock. The shadowed figure then growled in a voice filled with malice

"You rang, sir? You rang - for BRANDY?"

And with that, the hulking colossus drew a large heavy bottle, and brandishing his brandy, swung it down, very hard, and very fast onto poor Askthepizzaguy's head.

When the butlers gathered around in the morning to survey the damage, it was clear that the corpse in Hotel Room 101 used to be

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Askthepizzaguy was Inspector Collings
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RzbVbx_mJ-0/SU...0/image007.jpg
He was the cop!

Night will begin at 22:45 GMT tomorrow.

vote: methos

I tracked his movements tonight, he was sighted entering ATPG's room. This is no coincidence.

oh crap.

pizza who you investigate.

and i remember someone claiming they were going to kill pizza. ignore that its probably a trick or maybe pizza said hed kill someone.......

You know, I would have put money on the mafia killing Pizza first. A shame; the town's going to have their work cut out without his reasoning, I feel.

Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3

wait i think methos could be a good choice. but lets wait to see who pizza investigated before we bandwagon. because if he was roleblocked we dont want to make that mistake.

just a word of warning

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

pizza who you investigate.

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I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.

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Originally Posted by Secura

Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3

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Thanks. I'm particularly fond of the bit where the attacker brandishes the brandy.

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Originally Posted by Secura

You know, I would have put money on the mafia killing Pizza first. A shame; the town's going to have their work cut out without his reasoning, I feel.

Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3

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I am a tracker, I tracked Methos (as he has won with silent victories before now) I got lucky, it is a mini-mafia so it is a big gamble, but Methos is ATPG's killer as he entered ATPG's room last night. Secura, as Beskar's results saved town in your game, I'm hoping mine saves town in this game. :bow:

And yes, subotan nice write up, I quite like the balance of not being too long to read and not being to boring either :tongue:

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I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.

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it usually does not work that way actually which is why i said last game. if i roleblock someone even if i die we will get at least one move out of me.

dont hold it to me though.

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Originally Posted by Secura

I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.

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Oh, is that convention? I was unsure, so I gave him his results, and trusted that being the experienced player he is, he would know what to do with them, and whether it as ethical for him to reveal his results.

I have the results of my investigation and I assume I cannot reveal them because I am dead.

when was that ever a rule?

ive died because of stuff like that.

Subotan, as host could you tell us if he can.

Hint: Yes would be a good answer :wink:

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

I am a tracker, I tracked Methos (as he has won with silent victories before now) I got lucky, it is a mini-mafia so it is a big gamble, but Methos is ATPG's killer as he entered ATPG's room last night. Secura, as Beskar's results saved town in your game, I'm hoping mine saves town in this game. :bow:

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Yeah, Beskie was very lucky that you protected him overnight; he would have still gotten those investigation results, but would have been prohibited from revealing them as he would have been 'out of the game', as it were.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Oh, is that convention? I was unsure, so I gave him his results, and trusted that being the experienced player he is, he would know what to do with them, and whether it as ethical for him to reveal his results.

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Well, you can give him his results, yes, but as far as I know, it's frowned upon to reveal those after death (how can you reveal stuff or point fingers if you're toast?); it is entirely up to you as host. Perhaps Pizza himself can clarify for you, he'd know better than I. :3

EDIT: It appears he believed the same as I, unfortunately for the town.

well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

Subotan, as host could you tell us if he can.

Hint: Yes would be a good answer :wink:

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Well, you can give him his results, yes, but as far as I know, it's frowned upon to reveal those after death (how can you reveal stuff or point fingers if you're toast?); it is entirely up to you as host. Perhaps Pizza himself can clarify for you, he'd know better than I. :3

EDIT: It appears he believed the same as I, unfortunately for the town.

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I have decided that due both to ATPG's opinion and the nature of the write indicating that before he could reveal his investigation results, he was unfortunately bludgeoned to death, that ATPG is not allowed to reveal his investigation results.

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well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.

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That's spiritual guidance.

Out of respect for the mafia, I shall not reveal my results. If you die you cannot reveal such information unless there's a role that specifically can talk to the dead. Otherwise death merely means no vote, and that is not usually how it is taken.

so be it.

Vote: methos

if tm lied we can still get him.

Again, the butler did it.

vote: Methos

Only one way to tell if we have a tracker or not.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.

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If Subotan wants me to stop posting and eat a can of STFU, well I'll get my fork and dig right in! :P

But it's fun to still post; it's not like I know anything about the game beyond what's in this thread... such is the bane of dying so early. :3

Yeah it really sucks when you get killed D1... miss out on an entire game.

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Originally Posted by Secura

If Subotan wants me to stop posting and eat a can of STFU, well I'll get my fork and dig right in! :P

But it's fun to still post; it's not like I know anything about the game beyond what's in this thread... such is the bane of dying so early. :3

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By all means go nuts. Like I said, spiritual guidance is fine.