EU3: Divine Wind Succession Game

Anyone interested in an EU3: Divine Wind succession game? I'm not thinking of anything with significant literary merit, just a bare-bones play-your-reign-post-a-summary-and-pass-it-on type of thing (though feel free to get as creative as you want beyond that). I'll get the ball rolling with the first reign and summary, and I'll keep take responsibility for keeping the game moving. The game would be in unmodded Divine Wind. I don't particularly care about the faction, so if anyone cares they can speak up. I'd be hoping to start this weekend, so quick responses on faction would be great. Feel free to chime in about the faction if you're interested in reading it, even if you can't play.

Setup:
EU3 w/ all expansion packs up to Divine Wind

Rules:
Each player will play until their ruler dies. If the ruler dies in less than one in-game year, the player will play the next ruler as well.
No reloading except to correct errors caused by honestly mis-clicking an important box. Setbacks are what make this game fun, so roll with the punches even if it's bad.
At the end of each turn, each player will post at least a brief summary of the events of their reign. A paragraph or two without screenshots is perfectly fine. Anything beyond that is up to you. The player will then PM the next person on the list to inform them that it is their turn.

List of Players:
TinCow
pevergreen
miotas
Secura
Beskar
Alexander the Pretty Good
TriforceV
Cecil XIX

I haven't been in this area for a long time.

But as the most talented EU3 player on this forum (:tongue:) I'll be up for it, but if we're going for any sort of realism, I may need limits.

I presume that means we would be going as each monarch, staying as a monarchy/empire? in the event of regency?

I'm not really concerned about realism. If you want to colonize North America as the Mameluks, go right ahead. Play however you see fit during your reigns, whether it be roleplaying, historical, pure fun, randomness, or whatever else you want. The only rules I would put down would be to not intentionally sabotage the game for other people, and no reloading unless you actually mis-click something important (like a peace treaty or major stability hit event or something). If you lose a major battle due to not paying attention, deal with it and move on, it makes the game interesting. Barring that, run the faction as you want to while it is yours. The objective is just to see how a faction develops when it doesn't have some overarching mastermind plan behind it. That will also likely make it more interesting for the individual players, as we'll find ourselves in situations we never would if we had been playing the whole thing ourselves.

No need to stay in a monarchy. The republics have leaders as well, and they can sometimes stick around longer than monarchs, depending on the circumstances. I would say though that if your monarch/leader/whatever dies less than one year after you start playing, you can play the successor as well. A regency would be treated like a normal reign, so it goes to a different person who plays the regency and hands it off when the heir comes of age (unless that is less than one year).

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No need to stay in a monarchy. The republics have leaders as well, and they can sometimes stick around longer than monarchs, depending on the circumstances. I would say though that if your monarch/leader/whatever dies less than one year after you start playing, you can play the successor as well. A regency would be treated like a normal reign, so it goes to a different person who plays the regency and hands it off when the heir comes of age (unless that is less than one year).

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4 year turns, unless you re-elect, which IIRC not all can do. May be wrong there.

Regencies are a weird thing. Quite a few times you're in for a long one and heir dies. I really would suggest sticking to a monarchy, just makes it easier.

I'm ready to play whenever.

Sounds interesting, count me in.

Noble republics have 8 year terms and I'm pretty sure all republics can re-elect. Despots and dictatorships should also work if we chose not to use republics.

For the 4 year republics, perhaps two elections per player or something. It takes a long time to get to most republics anyway. If the game lasts long enough for that to be a realistic issue, we can discuss it in more detail then.

Any opinions on country?

Gah! I would join but don't have Divine Wind yet. ~:(

So, how does this work? You agree on a nation, say... Castille, and then when the monarch dies you pass the save file onto the next person? So that the story would tell the tale of the evolving country?

I'd play, but I'm not exactly good at the game; I usually play with AI aggressiveness low, Easy difficulty and no inflation... cos I suck. :P

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Originally Posted by Secura

So, how does this work? You agree on a nation, say... Castille, and then when the monarch dies you pass the save file onto the next person? So that the story would tell the tale of the evolving country?

I'd play, but I'm not exactly good at the game; I usually play with AI aggressiveness low, Easy difficulty and no inflation... cos I suck. :P

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You got the idea!

Oh and don't worry about your preferences. I also play with those. :shame:

And in Divine Wind, even if you reduce AI aggressiveness, you still have cascading alliances that rapidly leave me wondering "why does Creek give a hoot about me subjugating the Scottish?" or whatnot.

I'd still play this though. :3

I am up for a play.

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Originally Posted by Secura

So, how does this work? You agree on a nation, say... Castille, and then when the monarch dies you pass the save file onto the next person? So that the story would tell the tale of the evolving country?

I'd play, but I'm not exactly good at the game; I usually play with AI aggressiveness low, Easy difficulty and no inflation... cos I suck. :P

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Yep, that's it exactly. Here's an example of a game we started as Naples in the MMP2 mod. It didn't get very far, but it should give you an idea of what it's about. You can be as brief or as detailed as you'd like in the write-up. As long as you generally give a basic account of what happened during your reign, that's perfectly fine. A paragraph or two without any screenshots is good enough; if you want to write more beyond that you can knock yourself out.

Don't worry about difficulty at all. The entertainment is from watching the evolution of the nation over time as it's controlled by different people with different goals and different play styles. Conquering the world is not necessary, and is usually more boring than a game where simple survival is a struggle.

We can narrow down the faction by first deciding the area of the world we're interested in. I'd like to veto the Americas, Sub-saharan Africa, and Japan (don't like the way DW handles it). I am personally more interested in North Africa/Middle East, India, Southeast Asia, and non-HRE Europe (East or West).

[edit] First post updated with the bare-bones rules and a player list (order in which people signed up). Anyone else who is interested will be added on to the end of the list. Once the end of the list is reached, the game will loop back around to the beginning and continue until whenever.

Count me in, any faction as long as I'm not first. ;P

Yeah I'm down with this too, I lurve EU3

I don't have DW, but I'd enjoy reading an English game.

Ok, I'm going to start the game up tomorrow, so it would be nice to get some more faction input. If you don't want to pick a specific faction, at least let me know which area of the world you'd prefer to be in.

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Ok, I'm going to start the game up tomorrow, so it would be nice to get some more faction input. If you don't want to pick a specific faction, at least let me know which area of the world you'd prefer to be in.

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After westerning (oh lord was that a pain), IMO just pick one in the latin tech group. What are the settings we are going with, as we have some low-setting players here, so we probably shouldn't pick an OPM.

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After westerning (oh lord was that a pain), IMO just pick one in the latin tech group. What are the settings we are going with, as we have some low-setting players here, so we probably shouldn't pick an OPM.

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I'm just going to go with default settings. I agree on no OPMs, I'd prefer a medium power of some kind, not one of the majors. If we're going latin, my suggestions are: Burgundy, Holland, Brabant, Bohemia, Denmark, Sweden, Venice, Aragon, Milan, Teutonic Order. Of those, my personal preference would be for Holland, Brabant, or Aragon (I've played a lot of Italy and Eastern Europe lately).

I agree on the Latin tech group, I've found from my limited experience that it's generally the most fun to play anyway; I'd prefer a nation that isn't involved with the HRE, considering the stupid "GIMME THOSE PROVINCES!" mechanic that's been added in, it makes territorial expansion as some of the more fun nations (Teutonic Order, Venice, Holland, etc) very difficult.

About the difficulty and such, can that not be changed by the player after receiving the save game file, or are they always stuck on whatever difficulty the first person set it at? I don't want to impede the fun element by 'forcing' some of the better players to drop down to my lowly levels of difficulty, but at the same time I wouldn't like to pass the game onto someone who finds out I've caused hyper-inflation and left them at war with half of Europe because the settings aren't at my usual level. xD

Then again, it isn't the actual gaming aspect that appeals to me most, but the historical roleplaying element thereafter, so I guess I'd be fine with whatever you guys decided as a majority. :3

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I'm just going to go with default settings. I agree on no OPMs, I'd prefer a medium power of some kind, not one of the majors. If we're going latin, my suggestions are: Burgundy, Holland, Brabant, Bohemia, Denmark, Sweden, Venice, Aragon, Milan, Teutonic Order. Of those, my personal preference would be for Holland, Brabant, or Aragon (I've played a lot of Italy and Eastern Europe lately).

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I'd say Aragon.

HRE and lithu-blob prevent others, tbh.

First of all, I would like to have a few clarifications...
Assuming we are going with a Latin Monarchy,

What is the rules with a Regency?, does the player hold onto the reigns until a new king is enacted?
Also what happens if someone claims our throne? and we end up in Personal Union?

As for choices I think a second rate Monarchy would be more intresting then the stronger ones..
Maybe something like Denmark, Aragon, Portugal, Sicily, Milan, Scotland, or Hungary.

You know a kingdom that isn't too strong like England, or France but thats not a one state nation either.

I'm in. :yes:

Bohemia, Scotland, Sicily, Aragon & Hungary all sound good to me.

I don't think I've done an Aragon playthrough recently (or even ever?). As long as we can hold off Castille (or survive in Italy if things go pear-shaped :P) I think it'll be fun.

Sweden is a possibility.

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First of all, I would like to have a few clarifications...
Assuming we are going with a Latin Monarchy,

What is the rules with a Regency?, does the player hold onto the reigns until a new king is enacted?
Also what happens if someone claims our throne? and we end up in Personal Union?

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A regency is handled like any other reign... handed off to the next person who plays for the duration of the regency, unless the regency lasts for less than one year. For a Personal Union, it should play the same way: the reign of a single ruler is the playtime of a single player. I doubt we'd ever be in a Personal Union for two consecutive reigns anyway.

I think I'd like to play a game as Sweden. Aragon would be my second preference. I've never played a game as either of them. Aragon might be a bit hard for some of the less skilled players, sandwiched between France and Castille.

The problem with Sweden (or indeed, Norway, Brandenburg, Holland and so on) is that you're in a Personal Union when the game begins; you're not playing as your own King/Queen/Doge/whatever, so the roleplaying aspect of the succession game is dampened somewhat, unless you're acting as the respective monarch and saying things like "and then I made Sweden do this...", which feels a little weird to me.

That's my two ducats, anyway. :3

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The problem with Sweden (or indeed, Norway, Brandenburg, Holland and so on) is that you're in a Personal Union when the game begins; you're not playing as your own King/Queen/Doge/whatever, so the roleplaying aspect of the succession game is dampened somewhat, unless you're acting as the respective monarch and saying things like "and then I made Sweden do this...", which feels a little weird to me.

That's my two ducats, anyway. :3

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Sweden is also incredibly poor, and has major trouble dealing with neighbours. Once you get to a certain point though, its sort of ok.

Aragon faces a fight for survival, but has multiple avenues of expansion: Iberia, Northern Africa, Italy, colonisation etc

Aragon seems to be a popular choice, so I'll make an executive decision and pick that one. I've never played as Aragon personally, so I'm intrigued by it. If anyone has a serious objection to it, raise it now; otherwise I will play my reign tomorrow and the first write-up should be up by tomorrow night.

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Aragon seems to be a popular choice, so I'll make an executive decision and pick that one. I've never played as Aragon personally, so I'm intrigued by it. If anyone has a serious objection to it, raise it now; otherwise I will play my reign tomorrow and the first write-up should be up by tomorrow night.

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Sounds good.

Subscribing... ~:)

Keeping Castille and France at bay should be fun... :>

Started playing. Up to 1427 and the starting king is still alive. Had some successes against minors and established a super-strong navy, but struggling more financially than I'd like (partially due to the navy). I've also avoided being totally annihilated by Castile twice already, the second time ended up with a Castile paying my some cash for peace despite occupying about half the country because France and I are BFFs. Yeesh... Castile is going to be a MAJOR pain to take down, and they're out for our blood constantly.

[edit]Ok, reign ended in 1430. It's a regency (first heir died at about age 25), but it will be a long one (current heir is 4) and the heir is pretty decent (7/6/7). Working on write-up now.

What settings are you playing on? I'mma scared of messing up. xD

The Reign of Marti I d'Arago
(The Time of War and Taxes. And Boats. And those &^$# Castilians!)

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The year was 1399. King Marti surveyed his kingdom, but he did not like what he saw. The shape was just... wrong. Fat in some places, narrow in others; all in all, pretty ugly. It totally threw off the whole aesthetic.

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Something had to be done. Fortunately, King Marti knew what to do. "We will attack Navarre and vassalize them! Navarre will help make Aragon look more like a proper triangle! The country is currently slightly tilted due to its unevenness, and better triangulation will increase its stability!"

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And so it was the very brief and no-so-glamorous War of Aragonese Triangulation began.

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After the war was over, the world was so impressed with King Marti's ability to invade a tiny country with almost no army to speak of, that the semi-great nation of Savoy offered to form an Alliance. There was much rejoicing. Denmark offered as well, but King Marti did not know where Denmark was, so he declined. There was much rejoicing.

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Shortly thereafter, one of King Marti's advisors informed him that his second cousin had married the Queen of Sicily's third cousin's niece. Given the divine supremacy of Aragonese loins, that could mean only one thing:

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Several days later, the King's wife gave birth to a new heir. Aragonese loins were once again supreme!

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Unfortunately, at about this time, the Court Cartographer died. King Marti, being so obsessed with his own loins, did not realize that the man was dead. For the next 25 years, he would regularly shout at the man, "Paint a picture of this event, so that the fruit of my loins can witness my greatness! In color!" Needless to say, the festering corpse in the corner of the room did not comply. King Marti assumed his silence to be a sign of utmost obedience and reverence for the Royal Loins. (Somehow my screenshot program stopped recording from here on out. I didn't realize it until the end of the reign, sorry.)

One day, King Marti realized that he was short of tiny salty fish. So, he attacked Sardinia, as apparently someone had told another Aragonese King that he had the right to fish there about 150 years ago, or something like that. Unfortunately, the Pope and Genoa also coveted the salty fish, so they went to war with Aragon to stop them. King Marti called on his Savoyard friends to help him stomp on Genoa, which was great. Then Genoa called on their friends Switzerland to stomp on Savoy, which was not so great. And Hungary as well. It was at about this time that King Marti realized that he had a navy. Not just any navy, but a GOOD navy. "Where did all these big ships come from?!" he asked. "Aren't Mediterranean powers supposed to have galleys or something?"

The Great Aragonese Navy was victorious in battle after battle. Defeating the navies of Genoa, the Papal States, and Hungary, several more big ships were captured, making the Great Aragonese Navy the Greater Aragonese Navy. Soon, none of the other foes could reach Aragon or the islands to fight, and the war was brought to a swift conclusion. Towards the end, it occurred to King Marti that Sardinia would really look pretty odd sitting out there in the water all by itself. So, he demanded that Genoa give up Corsica as well, so that Aragon could have a nice semicolon island cluster. Proper punctuation was important to Marti. His advisors told him that the King of Bohemia, the Holy Roman Emperor, would be very upset with Marti for taking a province of the Empire. So, Marti came up with a plan. He sent diplomats to deliver insulting remarks to the King of Bohemia, about how ugly and non-triangular his country was. When that was finished, Marti formally withdrew Corsica from the Holy Roman Empire. There was much rejoicing.

It was at about this time that Marti became obsessed with islands. So nice and neat and… floaty. He had to have more! That’s when he remembered that Sicily totally belonged to him because of that thing with his cousin’s loins or something. So, it was time for more war! Naples didn’t like that, nor did Milan, but that was ok because Marti didn’t like them either. Soon the Greater Aragonese Navy had destroyed the other enemy fleets, capturing even more big ships, becoming the Greatest Aragonese Navy. With total control of the seas, it was easy for Aragon to invade and occupy all of Sicily.

That’s when those jerkwads, the Castilians, decide to get all up in Marti’s face. They were like, “Hey, your nation doesn’t look triangular enough. You must die!” Marti was very unhappy when he heard this, because he knew it was true. His entire army was busy besieging Sicily, and Castile soon swarmed across the border and laid siege to half the country. Suddenly, Marti had an idea. He asked the Portuguese for an alliance, but they said it was unlikely. So, he sent his youngest brother’s second son to get it on with the Portuguese king’s sister-in-law. After witnessing the incredible prowess of the Legendary Aragonese Loins of Power, Portugal agreed to an alliance. Soon Portugal was at war with Castile, and the fortresses of Sicily had fallen. Marti forced Sicily into a Personal Union and rushed his army back to Aragon so that it could stomp on small Castilian armies and run away from big ones. After a while, the two-sided Loin Assault demoralized Castile, and they agreed to end the war in exchange for some Aragonese money.

Ha! What fools, little did they know that Aragonese money was worthless. As it turned out, the Greatest Aragonese Navy was really, really expensive. Some people suggested to King Marti that he disband part of it, as it really was too large, but Marti punched them in the nose. “Those big ships are expensive! Do YOU want to pay for them later? No? Then SHUT UP!”

So, King Marti created a National Bank, so that he could ‘mint’ money without causing Aragon to inflate like a balloon, because balloons are round and not triangular, and that would defeat the whole purpose of the War of Aragonese Triangulation.

At about this time, someone asked King Marti to make war on someone else far away. He couldn’t remember exactly which country it was, but it was really small and really far away. With such a major threat to Aragon’s existence, the people were very understanding when King Marti imposed brutal war taxes, then lowered all military maintenance to zero and sat around doing nothing. He told them it was a secret plan to lure them into complacency. The people were too stupid to realize that was a lie, and by the time the War with the People King Marti Could Not Remember was over, Aragon was rich enough to build a whole bunch of stuff. Like docks and constables and stuff. It was great.

So, King Marti decided to do it again! But the stupid people were apparently not stupid enough to pay war taxes when there wasn’t a war. So, Marti went looking for a war. At about that time, Portugal was at war with someone, who was at war with someone, who was at war with Hainault, which was, like, WAY far away, or something. So, King Marti declared war, raised war taxes, and reduced military maintenance to zero. He was very pleased with himself.

Unfortunately, the Hainaultans were too stupid to realize that the fake war was fake and not real, so they invaded. And Holland did too. So, Marti had to raise maintenance back up to full to fight off the enemy, and he went broke and had to take out a loan. It was humiliating, really. The whole point of the Fake War was to raise money, and he was now losing money instead of making money. The Greatest Aragonese Navy performed well, as usual, capturing even more big ships and becoming the Greatester Aragonese Navy. With his coastlines secured once more, King Marti sat back and milked the stupid peasants with his war taxes until Hainault finally got bored of it and decided to pay him off to make him go away. There was much rejoicing.

Castile was once again being rude about things, sending insults about Marti’s mother and banning all Aragonese merchants from their trade centers. Marti had already outsmarted them though, as he hadn’t even bothered sending any merchants in the first place. He was so smart. Still Castile had a lot of guys with pointy sticks, so Marti sent his brother-in-law’s eldest son to get it on with some minor French princess. The King of France was so impressed with the Legendary Aragonese Loins, that he signed an alliance with Aragon.

Soon, France was at war with a whole bunch of people, because the French were generally jerkwads as well, though Marti was too polite to say that their faces. One of these nations was Foix, which owned the province of Bearn. A few years before Navarre had been formally annexed into Aragon, and now Marti’s dreams of a truly triangular kingdom could come true. Some advisors said that it was a bad idea to take Bearn, as France considered it one of their own provinces. Marti stomped on their toes while wearing boots. “Look at it! It’s perfect! It will make Aragon a perfect triangle!” And so it was that the Second War of Aragonese Triangulation began.

Those jerks the Castilians were waiting for just something like this. While the Aragonese army was besieging Bearn, they declared war and invaded. Portugal honored its alliance and also declared war. Marti was thrilled, until an advisor informed him that Portugal had honored its alliance with Castile, who apparently they were also allied with. Marti was very angry, had the Portuguese forgotten the Legendary Loins so quickly? The fools would pay!

And pay they did. For large armies that stormed into Aragon and pretty much tore everything up. Marti quickly annexed Foix so that his army was free to run away from Aragon. And run away they did. Many times. They fought several times as well. And lost. And ran away. But the Legendary Loins once again won the day, for the French alliance held, and France sent massive armies into Castile. At one point, Marti managed to chase some Portuguese armies into France, where they besieged several provinces, including Languedoc. After taking that province, Marti humbles himself and offered peace with the Portuguese, for the price of Languedoc. His advisors whispered to him that the province was French, not Aragonese, that he had no right to give it away, and that France had been very noble in coming to Aragon’s aid and that this was no way to repay them. Marti had those advisors impaled on rhubarb and agreed to the terms. With Portugal out of the war, Castile now only occupied about a third of Aragon and had only about three times the size of it’s army. They were facing defeat!

At about this time, Prince Alfons, the royal heir, died. Presumably of too much fornication. It was a common problem in Aragon, you see. So, King Marti had no choice but to stop over in Barcelona for a week in the middle of the war and whip out the Legendary Loins once more. For the good of the country! Soon Prince Ferran was born, assuring many more years of Aragonese Loinitude.

Eventually, the Castilians became so exhausted by having to occupy so much Aragonese territory, that they conceded defeat and paid Aragon some gold. Some people say that the French were the ones who really won the war, by occupying half of Castile, but those people are dirty, dirty liars and their mothers should be ashamed of them.

So it was that the Second Great War of the Castilian Jerkwads ended. King Marti spent the last few years of his life praying for his loins and admiring the very nice triangular shape of his nation. He died in December 1430, from excessive fornication.

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What settings are you playing on? I'mma scared of messing up. xD

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Default. Castile can't beat us too badly as long as the French keep protecting us. If we can get the Portuguese alliance back, we might actually be able to take some land off them in the next war. Still, it's certainly a tenuous position.

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Default. Castile can't beat us too badly as long as the French keep protecting us. If we can get the Portuguese alliance back, we might actually be able to take some land off them in the next war. Still, it's certainly a tenuous position.

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Alrighty, I shouldn't have too many problems; been getting used to the minting/inflation mechanics so the only problems I might have is curbing my usual aggressive expansion policy. xD

You've made alot of headway so far; gaining Bearn was a good move, though it probably means that France will come knocking on the door eventually! I'm definitely going to load up the save later and have a nosy at what's happened; I'll be keen to see what Lord pevergreen of the Regency Council does at any rate. :P

Seems like a solid start and a great read, TinCow! :D

Will play in several hours.

Sucks I get the regency. :tongue:

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Sucks I get the regency. :tongue:

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Sorry about that. I was actively trying to get my King killed in the last Castilian war so that Alfons (7/7/7) could take over, but the silly heir died before his father could. At that point I started trying to stay alive long enough to prevent a Regency, but it didn't work out.

Well familair faces all posting in one thread; it's been awhile. Just picked up EU3 complete around Christmas on Steam. Haven't figured out all the mechanics like the finances. This game looks to be a good start with Tincow twist. I just saw DW available on Steam. I will be reading with great interest!. :book:

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Well familair faces all posting in one thread; it's been awhile. Just picked up EU3 complete around Christmas on Steam. Haven't figured out all the mechanics like the finances. This game looks to be a good start with Tincow twist. I just saw DW available on Steam. I will be reading with great interest!. :book:

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Welcome back! The first lesson of finances is to keep minting under control and to avoid lots of inflation. National Bank is a good first Idea for this reason (and what I took in the game above). Also, you can reduce maintenance when at peace to save even more money.

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Well familair faces all posting in one thread; it's been awhile. Just picked up EU3 complete around Christmas on Steam. Haven't figured out all the mechanics like the finances. This game looks to be a good start with Tincow twist. I just saw DW available on Steam. I will be reading with great interest!. :book:

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I knew it was you NN! (I spotted him in a thread at the paradox forums)

Ok. Its the 9th of May, 1432, and our heir just died. I'll continue playing the regency until we get someone on the actual throne.

Moved slider to centralisation, got a pretender.

I'm updating as I'm playing :D

15th March, 1434. We got to the defence of France. The only one that will trouble us is portugal.

Two days later, and we have a king.

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I put the save game in the upload in the org thing, but i cant tell where it went, so:

http://www.filefront.com/17841821/Org Aragon 2.rar

PMing next in line.

Too bad you didn't get to play for that long, how did we go straight from no heir to a king?

It happens. Random lord ascends, can be of age.

Do me proud, multiplayer partner?

Heya, Is there any reason we arn't sending out the Merchants?
Might solve the money problem... just a though :-)

We dont have a money problem. If we start merchanting badly, we might.

Finished my hectic stint as ruler.

My reign started quite well. To add to the war with France that pever had, France was attacked by austria and I joined in defence and The Papal States were also attacked by Naples and once again I joined in defence.
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Castille attacked portugal so I white peaced them and focused on fighting in italy. I vassalised all the OPM's that were fighting the pope alongside the Napolese and then took a few provinces off Naples.
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At this point the English decide that the only country in Christendom to fight in defence of the Pope is a traitor the catholic faith.
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Not surprisingly Castille seizes the chance to attack me, later joined by Portugal and the french decide to abandon me. At this point I am still doing quite well, my armies are far smaller than the Castillian and Portugese forces, but by picking my fights I manage to win most of the battles I fight in and I occupy some of their territory.
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The english attack me the following year.
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I peace castille, getting a few concessions
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Things are going badly however in the war with the english, they have occupied a lot of territory and then strike a critical blow
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Corsica surrenders to the english
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Unable to coordinate my forces without a navy it just gets worse and worse
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I sign peace with the english, making a lot of concessions. At this point things aren't going too badly, I could easily recover from this in a few years, and the provinces I was forced to free from being vassals are still friendly and allied.
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Then disater strikes, I am attacked by Genoa, Portugal, Sienna, Aquelia, Savoy and many more besides. With so many countries attacking from all side the enitre country is quickly over run.
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I am forced to give a lot of land money and cancel almost all diplomatic relations, the country is devastated
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The king, distraught by the loss of his kindom dies of shame.
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Sorry guys, I feel horrible for destroying the game so early :shame:

http://www.filefront.com/17842592/Org-Aragon-3.rar/

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Sorry guys, I feel horrible for destroying the game so early :shame:

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No. not at all! Not much that can be done about massive wars like that. There's no way for a country like Aragon to repel that many enemies. Besides, it's stuff like this that makes the game interesting to read. :yes:

I agree with TinCow. These kind of things makes the game interesting! :yes:

Well, my turn is certainly going to be fun. :tongue:

Secura, if you leave me in a regency council, I will be upset.

I'm going to read over the pever and miotas' posts and then download the file and see what I get up to. :3

EDIT: poor pever, I was hoping to read some Regency Council hijinx but you just got unlucky. :<

And miotas... what have you done to our beloved Aragon? Haha, I'm just kidding, but things are going to be very difficult from here onwards considering I'm not very good at the game; I think we have just enough provinces to avoid annexation entirely, but if we're at war with multiple powers, it's adios Barcelona.

I'll start playing shortly. :3

Further EDIT: Loaded up the game, had a look at what was left, saw the levels of war exhaustion and such and realised there's no way I can do this; you said you'd be pissed if you had a Regency Council, Beskar... what if you had no nation whatsoever? :P

We'll see.

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but things are going to be very difficult from here onwards considering I'm not very good at the game; I think we have just enough provinces to avoid annexation entirely, but if we're at war with multiple powers, it's adios Barcelona.

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Don't stress about it. If we recover, great. If we're annexed, we can just turn right around and start up a new game.

Yeah I have to agree,
makes the game more diverse and fun, and rebuilding or struggling after a horrible defeat is all the more enjoyable.

However, just for future refrence that might help avoid multiple wars in DW, Need to keep that infamy on the lower side, and have an ally or 2 to deter from attacks,
:-p,
but then again maybe thats just me.. Either way I can't wait to take the reigns

Well, I gave it a go and I just couldn't get anywhere.

I managed to defeat the Napolese forces and occupy Napoli after the Pope peaced out, with Modena occupying Calabria. Good news at first... except for a 10,000 Nationalist force that emerged from the capital and destroyed both our armies before marching into Apulia and taking that from me, which eventually defected back to Naples.

With no army or navy, and war exhaustion/inflation reaching levels where I couldn't do anything whatsoever, I was in no position to stop Heretics from marching around mainland Aragon and taking provinces; I managed to placate them but this granted the "National Heresy" modifier and caused them to march into the rest of Iberia, which led to Portugal and Castille declaring war on me (poor Papal relations from the modifier) soon after the initial truces concluded.

At that point, I quit; can't fight a war with no armed forces, so game over, basically.

At any rate, Beskar tells me that he tested the save file out, managed to annex Naples and recover the Aragonese land from the Portuguese with the help of the French; I was unable to do any of that, so rather than simply starting over as someone else or whatnot, perhaps it's best that he takes my turn as Joan II and I join the back of the queue. :3

Unfortunately, I don't know if I could redo that. just wanted to see if I could recover to a reasonable degree and it was probably just luck. But, if TinCow is okay with Secura skipping, I could do the save since I am apparently next.

If Secura got wiped out, the proper thing to do is call it a defeat. We'll start a new game and just continue on with the same player list at the same spot, so Beskar would be the first player of the new game. Another attempt at Aragon, or perhaps a different power this time?

TC: This is your project, your call.

:bow:

I can go as a new nation, which nation would you like to play as? Perhaps Teutonic Order? Ireland OPM? None-Western?

Your call.

just a question actually.
Would anyone be interested in maybe another EU Succession game?
This time, instead of a smaller country like Aragon, we maybe try a larger kingdom like France? might make things more flexible and easier for all players involved
I'll have to admit the suspense of waiting for my turn to come is killing me...

this way if we have two games, everyones turn for either one will come alittle quicker.
I'm just asking if anyone is interested.. if not then forget I said anything.

The only nations that would even look at Aragon twice were Urbino, Siena and Sicily... everyone else wouldn't allow any form of diplomatic relations whatsoever, and I didn't have the ducats to convince them otherwise.

So when Castille and Portugal declared war again, Siena and Sicily basically said "no chance!" and scarpered; owning only Barcelona, Alicante, Aragon, Pirineo and the Baleares meant we'd probably be reduced to a OPM if that, so that's why I quit.

I was probably the worst player to have deal with that kinda situation, but I'm fine with joining the back of the queue and seeing what I get in the 16th/17th Century. :>

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just a question actually.
Would anyone be interested in maybe another EU Succession game?
This time, instead of a smaller country like Aragon, we maybe try a larger kingdom like France? might make things more flexible and easier for all players involved
I'll have to admit the suspense of waiting for my turn to come is killing me...

this way if we have two games, everyones turn for either one will come alittle quicker.
I'm just asking if anyone is interested.. if not then forget I said anything.

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There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

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I can go as a new nation, which nation would you like to play as? Perhaps Teutonic Order? Ireland OPM? None-Western?

Your call.

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Looking back through the preferences stated earlier, multiple people expressed interest in Hungary, Teutonic Order, and Sweden. I'll also toss in Holland and Brabant as personal favorites. So, I'll leave it up to you as the first player. Select from one of those five, or Aragon again. Keep in mind that if you start as Sweden you're going to have to tough out a Personal Union at the start.

Time for me to get out the Prussian Artillery then.

Sounds good.

Also, I really don't think there's a need to split the game between difficulty levels. miotas' situation was very difficult. I can guarantee you that I would have ended up in the exact same situation in my second war with Castile if I hadn't had France on my side, and in his game France was on his side but deserted him. We currently have a lot of enthusiasm going for this and the turns are going at blazing fast speed. When was the last time anyone has seen four separate reigns finished in 24 hours in a succession game? If we split up into multiple games, we might kill some of that momentum.

Let's keep it united as a single game for at least a few more days. If at that point some people feel like they have enough time to do two games at once, then start up a second one, but only after we've ensured that the first game keeps moving.

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Time for me to get out the Prussian Artillery then.

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From the raaage! thread at the EU3 forums

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There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

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Further thoughts on a second game. If you are truly interested in doing something unusual and perhaps more difficult, we could specifically decide to assign an unusual and difficult task to a country. For instance, play an Irish OPM with the goal of conquering China. Or perhaps a reverse history, where an Indian nation conquers Britain. Or perhaps have the Mamluks colonize all of North America.

That said, I want to emphasize again that I think we should only add a second game after the first has had a few more days of running time, to ensure the stability of the thing.

Ok, I am finished. This is going to be a long write-up. 34 years was a long reign. Good news for my successor, you are making buckets of money and in a strong position. I doubt even Miotas can lead the current condition into destruction. :p

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There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

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I did. However, I don't have DW and can't join/start any games. ~:(

Konrad von Jungingen was asleep. In his dreams, he dreamt of a glorious army winning a battle, they were dressed in Grey, under the banner of a black eagle with a crown. He pondered "Who's army is this? Is this mine?". There was a man, on a horse. Tall gentleman with a moustache, who looked like a general, possibly even a king. The man rode forward infront of the troops, he gave a big battle speech, "There will be no surrender, for we shall press the advantage, and create a land for the German people that would rival that of the great Hochmeister, Konrad von Jungingen."

Konrad wakes up, startled by a noise. He walks outside into the damp autumn day, a yeoman runs up to the Hochmeister "My liege, Bohemian troops are marching this way from other the hill. What are your orders?". Konrad sniffs the air, licks his finger and raises it. "I believe tonight will become a great victory for our Order."

Prussian Might
An Teutonic Order EU3 DW Succession Game

Weeks earlier...

Konrad renewed by his strange dreams, begins a long process of consolidating his position. He begins a series of government decisions to strengthen his resolve.

He begins by Sending a Delegate to the Pope and centralizing his position in the order. A local upstart sees this as an opportunity to attack! However, he gravely misunderstood the situation and soon paid the price for his foolishness.

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After the display of military might, The Palpinate and Aquileia flocked to join under the Orders banner by proposing an alliance. The Order accepted to increase their strength.

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The Teutonic Order began to examine the powers of Europe. A general pointed towards Austria. "If we are to exceed in our plans, we must be stronger than a nation like... Austria!". The Hochmeister drummed up the commanders to begin a recruiting campaign. Once the commanders returned, the Order was now ready for war.

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A messenger runs into the Command tent. "Sir! You must have the Prussian people. Those demonic latvian bishops using them to fuel their inferno hellfires!". The Hochmeister shudders. "Prepare the men, for we are going to war!".

As the Hochmeister army prepares to embark on its journey to Riga, a foreign messenger arrives. "You shall not prevent the progress of the almighty Holy Roman Emperor! You futile little nation shall bow to down to his might, as he crushes your forces and feeds you personally to his hounds!"

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There are several large battles, which the Teutonic Order successfully defends against the might of the Holy Roman Emperor. After a crushing defeat of the forces led by the emperor himself personally, another foreign messenger arrives. "The Great Nation of Hungary views you as a powerful ally. Perhaps by working together, we can push back the advances of the Emperor." The Hochmeister considered this for a moment, then agreed. "With our new found allies, Hungary. The Teutonic Alliance shall demonstrate that the Emperor should mind his own business!".
[Riga was annexed, Pomeria vassalised and Bohemia received a bloody nose.]

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After a couple of years of peace, a missionary returns to the court. "Sir, I am proud to announce that Samogitia are now devout believers of the true faith. The Hochmeister smiles as he looks on the map. He has won some powerful friends, and a good reputation.

[More to come in part 2 after some real life chores.]

If you loose Estonia I'll start haunting you!

Good start, Beskar, looking forward to the rest! :2thumbsup:

A general note to all players: when you are finished with your turn, please PM the next person in line to inform them that they are up.

After dealing a devasating blow to the Holy Roman Emperor, the Hochmeister redraws territories from his 'imperial' realm. This wasn't seen very favorably by many of the powers in the HRE, but in the end, who cares about them?

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Message arrives from the Pope.

"Dearest Hochmeister, I am pleased you dealt with the firebreathing Latvians, we have decided that you are worthy of the title: Defender of the Faith". Konrad smirks, it is a prestigious, but there will usually a string attached to it. Konrad replies "I will accept this honour". The legate replies "Good, and as your first duty, we have declared a crusade against the Mamluks", Konrad nods, "We want you to reestablish the Kingdom of Jerusalem." Konrad was surprised at this request, "You know that that is on the otherside of the world, right?". "Indeed! The Pope expects nothing less!" the legate states. The Hochmeister rubs his chin, "Alright, prepare the ships! We are going to war!"

Konrad leading an almighty force of 10k troops, traveled the breast of Europe to arrive at the Middle Eastern lands. "Alright we need a strategy.. Mamluks would not be expecting an attack from us. We shall have navy cut off their forces at Diamante. We shall move the other forces down from the North and quickly take the Holy Land, then reunite with the advance guard to assault Egypt." The plan was a success! The Mamluk heatherns main forces were trapped, allowing the Hochmeister to control the Holy Land. What was surprising that the neighbours of the Mamluks sensed their weakness and decided to decend upon them with their unholy wrath. The Timurids, Hedjaz, Ethopia, Tripoli and Morocco threw their forces into the fray, obliterating the amassing Mamluk forces. After a bloody war, the Popes will was done. The Kingdom of Jerusalem has been reestablished and the Pope relieved the Hochmeister of his duty, stating that his soul has been saved.

It also appeared that not only the Pope was grateful.

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After some time, the Pommerian people decided that the Teutonic Order should simply govern on behalf of their incompentant leaders. Their wisdom now means that all of their base are belong to us.

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The Hansa have been a pain in the military funding of the Teutonic Order for some time, the Order decided to make 'Danzig' the new capital, and establish a center of trade there as well. This greatly increased the monetary income of the Order, and it was about to increase more. The Hansa played with fire and got burnt, now they are excommunicated. This is an opportunity the Order couldn't back away from, Destroy the Lubeck/Hansa trade league!

After a shortlived battle, since the Hansa has been reduced to an OPM by the other powers in the area, the Order swept in and conquered them, annexing them for the greater good. With this, the trade league splittered into small pieces, allowing the Order to destroy Lubeck CoT once and for all, making Danzig a major trade hub in the Baltics and for the German people.

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Bohemia decided it is time for a rematch, bringing in the elector, Brandenburg as an ally. A long and glorious war was fought, but the superior numbers and firepower of the Teutonic Order lead to Bohemia retreating with its tail between its legs, and Brandenburg becomming a vassal of the Order. Brandenburg was later integrated into the Teutonic Order and been made the Nation Focus for any future leaders.
[Unfortunately, didn't get a screenshot of this ><]

The Death of the Hochmeister left the Order in a strong position as a Major European power. It is time for Heinrich to take the reins and lead the Order to further Greatness.

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Yeah I have to agree,
makes the game more diverse and fun, and rebuilding or struggling after a horrible defeat is all the more enjoyable.

However, just for future refrence that might help avoid multiple wars in DW, Need to keep that infamy on the lower side, and have an ally or 2 to deter from attacks,
:-p,
but then again maybe thats just me.. Either way I can't wait to take the reigns

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I only had 17 infamy, and I had France, the pope, sicily, pisa, ferrara, and urbino as allies. :tongue:

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Also, I really don't think there's a need to split the game between difficulty levels. miotas' situation was very difficult. I can guarantee you that I would have ended up in the exact same situation in my second war with Castile if I hadn't had France on my side, and in his game France was on his side but deserted him.

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Castille wasn't actually the problem, despite France abandoning the alliance, the Papal States actually turning and attacking, and Portugal joining against me, I was comfortably winning the second castillian war. If england hadn't picked that moment to attack, I could have demanded far more than Castille simply realeasing Navarra.

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I only had 17 infamy, and I had France, the pope, sicily, pisa, ferrara, and urbino as allies. :tongue:

Castille wasn't actually the problem, despite France abandoning the alliance, the Papal States actually turning and attacking, and Portugal joining against me, I was comfortably winning the second castillian war. If england hadn't picked that moment to attack, I could have demanded far more than Castille simply realeasing Navarra.

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I though i saw 19 on the SS, either way 19 or 17 its still much to much.
Your biggest mistake was biting off more than you can chew (half of Italy), when Castile is being so hostile.
Had you done more prestigous peace agreements instead of infarious ones, france may not have broken the alliance, and England not join the war!.

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Welcome back! The first lesson of finances is to keep minting under control and to avoid lots of inflation. National Bank is a good first Idea for this reason (and what I took in the game above). Also, you can reduce maintenance when at peace to save even more money.

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Well I never really left I just kept signing in surfing to see what was going on and playing a little mumu in the Arcade.
Well I failed that first lesson with Portugal I think I was at 52% inflation spend spend spend! Supporting that large army because you just never know when the Rebels will pop up! :dizzy2:

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I knew it was you NN! (I spotted him in a thread at the paradox forums)

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I knew it was you on the Paradox forum offering sage advice and there can only be one pevergreen in any forum! I was checking out the fourm for answers for this game and HoI3 there were some sweet deals over the holidays. The Steam concept slowly grows on you. A few issues but nothing to stop playing.

Your second game's success so far with the Order is amazing and to have a successor called Heinrich. There's something about that name that can create some magic to the game play. Following along......

So what's the order for people playing now? :3

This?

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List of Players:
Beskar
Alexander the Pretty Good
TriforceV
Cecil XIX
TinCow
pevergreen
miotas
Secura

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Saved game for TriforceV: http://www.filefront.com/17846286/Prussian Might 2.eu3

Too tired to do a full write-up now, but I'll give a brief summary from an "out of character" perspective.

I'm a pretty conservative player and I don't like taking land without cores and/or a mission so my reign is going to be a lot less interesting than Beskar's. Semi-chronological outline:

> I went to war with Bohemia (trade dispute, used it to beat up on them a bit and liberate Brunswick)
> Joined but contributed little to Hungarian expansion in the Balkans
> Joined but contributed nothing to wars defending Crete from the Byzantines and a war defending Jerusalem from the Mamlukes (the former went much better than the latter)
> Got involved in Russian politics (helped break up Muscovy and kept them boxed in, they will have a hard time forming Russia)
> Big war
Bohemia (HRE), Austria, Burgungy, tagalongs vs Myself, Hungary, tagalongs
Denmark attacked me, Hungary refused to help, I white peaced with Bohemia et al
Defeated Denmark, Norway, tagalongs, Hungary got slowly taken apart and is partially occupied by Poland

Currently have 2 badboy points and dropping (built an embassy in a recently annexed OPM, so Triforce can get a little infamy happy), 1.5k in the bank, ~75 prestige (number 1?), defender of the faith, and the day Heinrich died I hit gov tech 9, so there's a fun decision right out of the box for Triforce.

Good luck, beware Bohemia and Austria working together!

Alright, I'm playing the turn, alot has happened since I took the reigns, plenty of wars, lots of new lands..
I'm currently at 1495 and my heir refuses to die :-)
I'll give a detailed account when I'm done of all that's happened, unfortunately I'm exhausted and I have to go to class tomorrow, I'll finish up the turn tomorrow night. I hope that's alright with everyone?