Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Sigurd]

I'm sorry to lose my life so soon. Now listen carefully.

I was detective. But got no results. (because I was murdered right away)
So, 100% pro-town.

Thing I do know, is, Sigurd Fafnesbane is one of the Dons. Now, don't lynch him yet - he has 4 rival families, so he'll be murdered anyway.
On his team is The_Stranger.
But he loses as well, when his Don is murdered, right?

Further people that have been really suspective in PM's:

Andres
Glenn

Both should be lynched if they survive for too long. I wouldn't count on it, though.

Furthermore, I can only advise, keep the smart people alive for now, this game is too complicated. Lynch them later on if they survive.

Sorry again. My killing was luck of the draw, seems. I've been careful about my role. Bad luck... well, next game better...
Good luck, town, I might keep an eye open and cheer for all innocent people!

Wow, wow, wow... Hold your horses there m8.

Could you further enlighten us on the text in cursive there?

[PershsNhpios]

If there are holes in my explanation, then it is probably due to the fact that I'm at a loss as to why I would be protected.

Now, I have some dangerous information regarding you, Fafnesbane, it isn't much, but it involves one of your recruiters and his two protection groups, Alpha and Beta.

This makes me rather suspicious and uncertain as to wether you will believe anything I say, due to the fact that if Andres is correct, and Drisos is also - you wouldn't want my innocence to be accepted in any case.

On Drisos' statement; I think Drisos was not a detective.

However I contacted him because I wanted to share information - but was naturally cautious.. He gave me reason to think I was in danger to speak to him, so I withdrew.

I think that he has done some research in his own corner, and used the detective disguise to make people listen to his findings.

I think, regarding my own protection, that it was either enemies setting me up to be important, (Though if my enemies protected me - who is there to attack me?), or I have been mistaken for a greater pro-townie role.
As for the one person.. there are 79 players, I am willing to think there are well over 10 secret roles, and most of them never seen before.

I also think it possible that some players began as Surgeons.

[Pannonian]

Glenn, can you share that information with us concerning Sigurd and his recruiters?

[The Stranger]

drisos you lying scummy sunuvabits... why are you lying like this if you are pro town... who are you lying for you are not pro town...

[Sigurd]

I can't believe I am reading this...
I obviously stepped on some toes in one of my previous posts... This is all slander.

[PershsNhpios]

I must add here, I momentarily forgot that Doctors could protect by themselves, there needn't be multiple doctors.. Though I maintain my theory on Surgeons.

So why is it so hard to rule out that one doctor, of which there should be many, or a surgeon, found me important?

Hmmm.. Note the two very lean, dismissive posts above me.

Though I doubt they are connected.

[TinCow]

I've thought about this a bit more and I'm going to change my vote.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and be honest in the hope that it sheds some light on this situation. I was one of the people pevergreen recruited to his group. Not knowing better, I went along with it. He asked me, along with three other people, to protect Beefy. I was contacted by other people telling me not to trust pevergreen, but with nothing to go on either way, I just decided to do so. Despite what the description says, I believe that this protection group succeeded and protected Beefy. However, it doesn't really explain who attacked Beefy in the first place.

The more I think about this, the more I think pevergreen arranged both the hit and the protection. He clearly has the manpower to do so. Why would he do this? It seems to me he wants the hit group to get promoted to wiseguy, while at the same time cultivating a doctor group to protect him. Why then did he pick Beefy? Probably because he was somewhat suspicious and also because it didn't matter: the target was never going to die anyway. So, I'm left with Beefy being questionably guilty of something that I don't know. At the same time, pevergreen seems to be organizing a large group of people into a hit group and a protection group. He is not telling either side about the other group and is instead issuing orders for his own inscrutable reasons. This is suspicious enough for me to no trust him, and if I don't trust him, he's a good choice for a lynching.

Unvote: Beefy187
Vote: pevergreen

[The Stranger]

I can't believe I am reading this...
I obviously stepped on some toes in one of my previous posts... This is all slander.

yeah... somebody knocked him on the head... hes wrong about me... what about you eh?... don?

[Drisos]

Haha, well this all is exactly the reason I'm not looking forward to much discussion now. I'd be called liar 10 times an hour, while when all is finished you'll all see me listed as detective, murdered night 1..

Obviously I missed something out on the rules of when you're dead? I couldn't even call Sigurd a don?

Welll, I hope the right people read it now anyway.. sorry for the spoiler then..

[PershsNhpios]

No one mentioned your name Stranger.

[Sigurd]

Now, I have some dangerous information regarding you, Fafnesbane, it isn't much, but it involves one of your recruiters and his two protection groups, Alpha and Beta.

This just testifies to me that you are playing with dirty cards.
My vote is reinforced...

[The Stranger]

No one mentioned your name Stranger.

if im not mistaken... drisos did...

[The Stranger]

hahaha alpha and beta :P hilarious...

[Kagemusha]

So Glenn, tell us your information about Sigurd, as if you are innocent, you have nothing to hide?

[PershsNhpios]

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

[The Stranger]

@ Glenn

stop threathening me... tell me what dirt you supposedly got on me... bring it

stop twisting my words

[Proletariat]

Vote: Sigurd

Best case scenario would be to lynch GH, Sigurd, Glenn and The Stranger this round, since they're all suspicious and we won't get a straight answer out of any of them.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

When pevergreen sent out the pm I replied and asked to be put in a protection group. He ordered 4 of us to protect beefy. I didn't see any reason to do that (thinking he might be a mafia buddy of pever or that pever just wanted to know who was protected). I contacted my group and asked them to protect pannonian instead. Tincow didn't trust me either, so I think only two of us actually protected pannonian, my result email said our efforts weren't parallel.

It's possible pevergreen intended to have vigilante groups attack protected individuals in order to get doctors promoted. He should have made this clear however. Seems a bit like cheating to me anyway. I also want to know what kamikhaan has to do with this.

Drisos's death description reveals him as having a special role imo.

Glenn's results. I find it curious that he was heading towards "the poshest bar" in a fancy sounding hotel. He was also obviously protected by 1 person, and it seems that seamus wants to add a little doubt to that. I don't see why a doctor would protect him, and even if it was a doctor that's no proof of innocence at all. Vote:Glenn

Beefy was obviously not protected--it seems some sort of divine intervention was at stake. I don't think he should be voted for, there is nothing sinister about him.

Xdeathfire could be a serial killer or perhaps a lack of coordination between a group of killers.

In summary, voting Glenn is by far the best route. Beefy could be protown, he will need to claim. Pevergreen needs to cough up some information, I don't think we can condemn him just yet.

[The Stranger]

why me... im being the middlepoint of lies and slander... i should sue them

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

This is dodgy reasoning, if you were really pro-town then you'd tell as, as your ultimate aim should be a town win, not to stay alive. Along with your bizzare posts in the day phase, and your remarkable save, I think things are stacking up against you. A provisional Vote: Glenn.

Tincow's theory about Pever is interesting, but there is the possibility that he was just attempting to cultivate a doctor for the town-I'll wait until he explains himself.

[LittleGrizzly]

reading through this and going on my instincts

Vote Pevergreen

[Sigurd]

Haha, well this all is exactly the reason I'm not looking forward to much discussion now. I'd be called liar 10 times an hour, while when all is finished you'll all see me listed as detective, murdered night 1..

Obviously I missed something out on the rules of when you're dead? I couldn't even call Sigurd a don?

Welll, I hope the right people read it now anyway.. sorry for the spoiler then..

Now tell me Drisos.. I am dying to know. How did this information about me and my supposed accomplice come into your hands?
You mentioned Glenn and Andres as sources. Reading it again, you think them suspicious.

We will soon know if you were a detective..
Remember, in 3 days time your role will be posted for all to see.

[Kagemusha]

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

What you have to loose and hold out information for?This seals it for me. Vote: Glenn

[Louis VI the Fat]

You can't reveal after you die, Drisos

Can the gamemaster or a mod shed light on this, please? Are post-mortem revelations allowed? I will not comment on Drisos' revelations until I know.

If I were to reply honestly - as I have - I have to admit, I did not think there was the slightest possibility I'd be protected, but I was almost certain I'd be attacked for my writing style..

So why is it so hard to rule out that one doctor, of which there should be many, or a surgeon, found me important?

There are two scenario's:

You are a Don. You were automatically protected by your Luca.
You are something else but were protected by a doctor or a surgeon. This doctor need not think you are important at all. You took a lot of heat before last night. A clever doctor could've guessed you as a likely target for a hit, in order to promote himself to surgeon.

This last explanation is the easiest way to get you off the hook. It is a perfectly reasonable explanation for what happened to you last night and why you survived. I immediately thought of this explanation when I read Seamus' write up.

Why, Glenn, did you fail to see this was a good possibility at first? You know the rules by heart. Why are you not promoting this simple and perfectly valid explanation? Are you that busy conconting weird excuses?

Do you not know that townies eagerly seek a career in medicine? That many townie protection groups and doctors last night picked the people they protected based on the likelyhood that those people would be attacked? Did you give any thought at all to what works for townies or have you only been hanging out with your mafia buddies?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: CountArach

Very early on he used the following reasoning to elect an unknown:



Shady.

In Capo 1 I used pretty much the exact same reasoning to get my Don, pevergreen, elected on Day 1. I was his Luca, trying to free myself up for more "fun" night activities than protecting people.

My guess is that we could have the same scenario here.

Oh really. 11 pages of thread and this is your vote and accusation? I would expect more detective work from you as a townie, this is a scummy post.

But I think we should play down Beefy's powers. I bet he was saved because the group of four townies or a mix of townies and other roles either was infiltrated by mafia/detective or someone forgot (on purpose?) to send in their pm.

That's really interesting. If beefy was in a family and one of the vigilante's was in the family then it could make sense that he would mess with the guns so they wouldn't fire. Perhaps the writeup indicates sabotage (or perhaps mafia can't kill eachother. Suspicion on beefy and pevergreen for this. Who was in the attacking group pevergreen?

Vote: norwegian nerd

I don't really think we should allow the events prior to the night phase to totally slip our memories. So norwegian nerd, who is this friend and why were you so close to him before even the most basic townie organisations could be established?

I agree nn needs to answer some questions.

Thing I do know, is, Sigurd Fafnesbane is one of the Dons. Now, don't lynch him yet - he has 4 rival families, so he'll be murdered anyway.
On his team is The_Stranger.
But he loses as well, when his Don is murdered, right?

Further people that have been really suspective in PM's:

Andres
Glenn

Write up helps support this, but we should wait until the gendarmerie gets some results. Think this post breaks the rules anyway and we shouldn't question furthur.

Now, I have some dangerous information regarding you, Fafnesbane, it isn't much, but it involves one of your recruiters and his two protection groups, Alpha and Beta.

Glenn is linking pever and sigurd here?

I can't believe I am reading this...
I obviously stepped on some toes in one of my previous posts... This is all slander.

You get scumpoints for this.

yeah... somebody knocked him on the head... hes wrong about me... what about you eh?... don?

So do you. I could also swear I saw something where the stranger was laughing about glenn's use of alpha and betta, but now it seems to be gone.

[Dutch_guy]

Drisos's death description reveals him as having a special role imo.

Drisos didn’t mind operating alone. He preferred it. He would work with others as needed , of course, but he was aware that the only person upon whom you could rely completely was yourself.

Yes, I does look like it. But tough to say which one, though with what Drisos has said himself and by the pro-townie 'sound' of his kill description his claim of being a detective may very well be the truth. Making his allegations towards Sigurd, in particular, interesting. But hardly conclusive.

It's possible pevergreen intended to have vigilante groups attack protected individuals in order to get doctors promoted. He should have made this clear however. Seems a bit like cheating to me anyway.

If this is the case, then I'm not sure that lynching Pever is the best decision to make. However, again if this is true, he'd be a popular target for the baddies anyway. Interesting to know what Pever has to say on the matter, if he in fact organised both the hit and the protection (as TinCow suggested amongst others).

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Can the gamemaster or a mod shed light on this, please? Are post-mortem revelations allowed? I will not comment on Drisos' revelations until I know.

No post-mortem revelations are permissable prior to the role annoucement by Fermanagh at the 3rd morning session following death. To play honorably, the dead must be circumspect in or out of the thread. Any with questions should PM me rather than transgress.

[PershsNhpios]

What do I have to lose?

The possibility of gaining more information, and having a more productive role in the game - in other words, life!

I am unsure of some things, but I know names that can come forward and set things perfectly.

Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian

Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres

Alpha protected Louis VI the Fat.

Beta protected Sigurd Fafnesbane.

Step forward, protectees, what was the reason for being recruited into this?
Considering I received my recruitment PM about one hour after game start, this all seemed too organised to be township.

You all must of realised also, if we can all give some evidence on this we can put this little Mafia away - and only one of us will die, myself. How romantic.

I have to go, this is a busy day for me, (Actually), so this is a quick reply.
For that reason I can't add this PM in a quote - but what difference does that make? The difference is wether you believe me or not.

A PM from Stranger recently:

for a person with so much info... you know awefully little... tell me something you know and I don't before ill be putting a bit of pressure on you...

I did not handle by sigurd... hes not my boss... but if you do not start telling me stuff you end up dead... you might as well tell me stuff that can save you so i can vouch for your innocense... this is not the way you to end CDTC... not this early

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Yes, there is more on Stranger, and on others - I withhold it only because I don't have time right now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote count (please keep updated)

7 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha)
4 pevergreen(andres,cratarus,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
1 sigurd(prole)

[Sigurd]

Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian

Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres

Alpha protected Louis VI the Fat.

Beta protected Sigurd Fafnesbane.

Ah... dawn is breaking. I retract my accusation of slander.