Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Pannonian]

Haudegen and everyone else, Seamus has hinted editing votes is now a modkillable offence. Unvote then vote, or don't change your vote at all.

[Haudegen]

Okay, but I felt I had to correct the tally. If someone copies a wrong tally, the error may be carried on unnoticed. I hope Seamus doesn´t mind too much, since my vote itself didn´t change.

[Haudegen]

Ok, I´m a little stupid. The tally was still wrong. Here is the correct one. (I hope, please check!)

Lynch votes:
Loius - 3 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 2 (Scottishranger, Caius)


Director Selection:
Sasaki - 3 (TinCow, Scottishranger, Sasaki)
JimBob - 2 (JimBob, Haudegen)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius - 1 (Caius)

I´ll try to explain it, believe it or not. I was considering to vote Louis. I prepared the tally accordingly, then I hit the preiview button. Then I reconsidered and chose not to vote now. I figured that Louis would get enough votes anyway and perhaps later in the phase something new might evolve. I didn´t want my vote for Louis to be in the way of a possible multi lynch.

So changed to abstain and forgot to remove me in the tally. Sorry.

edit: damn I´m getting nervous. another error.

[Makanyane]

erm none of these tallies seem to have Kagemusha's ever optimistic attempt to elect himself included https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1754
could people double check nothing else is missing, before anything does carry on unnoticed.

(I'm still trying to catch up with rest of thread so will vote later)

[Charge]

we aint going to make mistake again are we?

Select: JimBob

edit: not vote changing

Fos: Kagemusha
Fos: FactionHeir

they wont get away that easy

someone please screen them!

[Kommodus]

Louis has indeed done the town a great service by exposing most of the Stracchi family. But this does not make him pro-town, and it's pretty clear he isn't.

First, there's the matter of Tran: why did Louis lie about him being the Stracchi's original Made, while leaving Andres out of his tell-all post completely? If he wanted the Stracchis truly wiped out, he wouldn't have done this.

This means that Louis knew perfectly well that he had become a Made gangster, and was still trying to lead his new family to victory.

And regarding this:

@Kommodus, on N1, a rogue detective – who doesn’t give inaccurate results – showed you as criminal. JimBob showed you as criminal too.

Yet, you said in the thread that you should show up as ‘innocent’. This is a lie.

That's not how the rules read.

Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.

This appears to be irrespective of the "accuracy" of the investigation; you'll notice how FBI detectives get more accurate results than regular detectives (though still not perfectly accurate). I must be one of those unlucky townies who shows up as "criminal." It isn't relevant how many times I get investigated.

Anyway, this will become obvious in a few days after my post-mortem, so it's pointless to debate this further.

Ghost Vote: Louis

You played the game well, sir - that kind of deceit, treachery, murder is truly what Capo di Tutti Capi is all about.

[Crazed Rabbit]

On Prole. She was obviously protected, which means either she's a Don or has a doctor friend.

And she was attacked after leading the charge on GH. I think the mafia thought she might have a role. The mafia knows it's pointless to attack a Don before killing the Luca. And I find it very unlikely two separate mafias would attack a Don.

And while Louis is untrustworthy, he's not going to be doing much killing with any other mafias, I think.

We need to remember who the killers are, and lynch so as to prevent mafia murders.

so vote: Zorg

select: Jimbob

Edit: tally
Lynch votes:
Loius - 3 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 2 (Scottishranger, Caius)
Zorg - 1 (Rabbit)

Director Selection:
Sasaki - 3 (TinCow, Scottishranger, Sasaki)
JimBob - 4 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, Rabbit)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius - 1 (Caius)
Kagemusha - 1 (Kage)

[scottishranger]

Hey man, Zorg is dead, just letting you know.

[Charge]

This appears to be irrespective of the "accuracy" of the investigation; you'll notice how FBI detectives get more accurate results than regular detectives (though still not perfectly accurate). I must be one of those unlucky townies who shows up as "criminal." It isn't relevant how many times I get investigated.

Anyway, this will become obvious in a few days after my post-mortem, so it's pointless to debate this further.

'criminal' result twicely eh? You actually should be made or luca of one of the families, especially with that write-up (townie with .38 snub-nose equalized gun and sported a sturdy bulletproof vest under his coat!?? ) .

Prole also leaded charge against Sasaki

Who was real attackers in her 2nd murder-attempt? Stracchi (...you said you going to leave game with respect didnt you? ) or weather balloon-ers (who had 3 kills yesterday now only 2) ?

ie how much mafia can change write-up into own?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hey man, Zorg is dead, just letting you know.

Ah, right.

unvote: zorg
vote:xdeathfire

[ajaxfetish]

I appreciate the useful information in Louis' reveal, and the opportunity it gives us to take out the Stracchi family. However, it's clear based on Louis' original attempt to keep Andres safe and the delay between his reveal and his evidence that he had wicked intentions. If Andres had gone along with it, he might have even gotten away with it. Deviously well played, Louis; however, as Kommodus pointed out, it seems you are already a Stracchi made gangster, so you must die.

vote: Louis

I'm not 100% trusting of JimBob, at least not till Glenn's post-mortem comes through, but their story is weird enough I want to believe it and IIRC he came up innocent when suspected of being Glenn's luca.

So for now, select: Jimbob (I'll post tallies in a separate post once I have a chance to go back and make sure of them)

I want to trust Sasaki as well, but there's one big question I have for him. He admitted his investigation source was a made. He seems unwilling to reveal his source's name, and for now I'll let that go. However, why was a made willing to share investigation results with you, Sasaki? It would make sense if you were part of the family, but I'm pretty sure you're not claiming that, so how did you come to receive the information. Is your source still amenable to passing on more information to you? If so, why?

On to the current mafia summary. So according to the invitation made through TosaInu, we have the names of our 5 mafia families:

--Stracchi. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy, Made: Andres, Made: LouisVI, associated wise guy of uncertain identity (Louis claims Tran, Andres claims not Tran). Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (claims wise guy, N3), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3) and Proletariat (N4, possible Don).

--Corleone. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead), several unknown associated wise guys. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (N3, claims 'crusader' of sorts), Beefy (N3, possible Don), The Stranger (N3), GH (N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, possible Don).

--Tataglia.

--Barzini.

--Cunnio.

One of the above 3 is likely the yellow rose group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any unknown. Calling Card: Yellow rose. Victims: Zorg (N3), Moros (N4, possible detective), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4).

The Stracchi are pretty much done for, but individual members still need to be killed off (Dutch Guy, Andres, Louis). The Corleones are very troubling, managing 3 successful hits the third night (so a minimum of 4 wise guys, 5 if the luca was protecting the don), and working to arrange cooperation between the families.

The Tataglia have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.

Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis.

I have no definite information so far on the Cunnios (inactive members? yellow rose group? otherwise keeping a low profile?).

Ajax

edit: whoops, I guess the Corleones have a minimum of 5 associated wise guys, since they lost Tiberius. Scary.

[Husar]

Select: Husar

Vote: xdeathfire

Well, he is a proven mafiosi or wannabe, vote and selection are subject to change(no, not by editing...), however.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I want to trust Sasaki as well, but there's one big question I have for him. He admitted his investigation source was a made. He seems unwilling to reveal his source's name, and for now I'll let that go. However, why was a made willing to share investigation results with you, Sasaki? It would make sense if you were part of the family, but I'm pretty sure you're not claiming that, so how did you come to receive the information. Is your source still amenable to passing on more information to you? If so, why?

He was willing to share the results with me because he knows I won't reveal him. I'm not part of the family I am a townie. It's up to him whether he passes on information or not.

[Csargo]

Vote:Louis

Select:Ichigo

Hello Ichigo


I hear that you contacted the Stracchi's last night. What was that all about?

Were you hoping to recruit, to have them make a kill one last time?

Did you recruit their wiseguy?

I didn't contact the Stracchi's last night. Whoever gave you that info is wrong.

[ajaxfetish]

Capotally as of post #1783

Lynching
LouisVI: 4 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 2 (CR, Husar)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)

Not Voting: 48

Directorial Election
JimBob: 5 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)

Not Selecting: 47

Changes
TruePraetorian (vote:abstain to vote:Louis)
CR (vote:Zorg[dead] to vote:xdeathfire)

[ajaxfetish]

Capotally as of post #1785

Lynching
LouisVI: 5 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 2 (CR, Husar)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)

Not Voting: 48

Directorial Election
JimBob: 5 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)

Not Selecting: 47

Changes
TruePraetorian (vote:abstain to vote:Louis)
CR (vote:Zorg[dead] to vote:xdeathfire)

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updated to include Ichigo's votes

[Husar]

Unvote: xdeathfire
Vote: Louis

Nice try buddy, but your evil plans didn't really work out.

[TinCow]

Looks like everyone finally agrees on Louis. I appove of this, so I'll commit myself.

Vote: Louis VI the Fat.

Capotally as of post #1788

Lynching
LouisVI: 7 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)

Not Voting: 48

Directorial Election
JimBob: 5 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)

Not Selecting: 47

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Uh, GH is dead.

Sorry - I didn't read the write-up fully

I didn't contact the Stracchi's last night. Whoever gave you that info is wrong.

I can confirm that Ichigo has had no two way contact with the Stracchi family while I was in charge. You can see this from our discussion topic's posts which Louis has managed to salvage. We planned to recruit him after hearing he was a wise guy, but I'm doubtful as to whether Andres got round to PMing him or not. If he did there certainly wasn't a reply.

[Northnovas]

The cooperation isn't working with trying a double lynch. Lets go with what we know and have been talking about to do and not get diverted.

Vote: Louis VI the Fat.

For director there appears to be some good candidates but he seems to be one us.

Select: JimBob

Capotally as of post #1790

Lynching
LouisVI: 8 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)

Not Voting: 46

Directorial Election
JimBob: 6 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)

Not Selecting: 45

[scottishranger]

Vote Louis

Although I still think Prol is very suspicious

[ajaxfetish]

Vote Louis

Although I still think Prol is very suspicious

Remember to follow the format, scottishranger. You first need to unvote Proletariat before voting for Louis. Otherwise you risk messing up the tally and drawing suspicion to yourself. Also, it's nice to include the colon after the word vote.

Ajax

[scottishranger]

Remember to follow the format, scottishranger. You first need to unvote Proletariat before voting for Louis. Otherwise you risk messing up the tally and drawing suspicion to yourself. Also, it's nice to include the colon after the word vote.

Ajax

Gah you people and your format.


Unvote: Prol
Vote: Louis

Lynching
LouisVI: 9 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)

Not Voting: 46

Directorial Election
JimBob: 6 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)

Not Selecting: 45

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't forget to bold 'em.

[CountArach]

Don't forget to bold 'em.

Beat me to it!

I shall Vote: Louis. As has been said by so many, he would probably not go for the multi-lynch option if he has the choice, and would certainly not lynch himself if given the option.

For director I still don't trust JimBob until we get information on Glenn. So, in the interests of NOT selecting JimBob, I shall Select: Sasaki

Lynching
LouisVI: 10 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)

Not Voting: 45

Directorial Election
JimBob: 6 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN)
Sasaki: 4 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)

Not Selecting: 44

[Louis VI the Fat]

Three confessing mafia members are still on the loose. Yet, some townies want to lynch the guy who exposed them to the town.

I demand that this behaviour be given an entry in the f.a.q.: 'To vote a Louis - when a townie in full knowledge of the identity of multiple confessing mafiosi votes to kill the person who exposed them'. Monumental stupidity deserves it's own name.

Thanks.



Select: Louis. I promised the goods, and I delivered. My new campaign promise: to provide you with at least six names from Sasaki's Don Corleone balloon family before my new term is over.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I CAN NOT BE A MADE. PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE.

I needed three kills for this. So I would've needed to kill on n2 as well. On n2, only Lordwinter was killed. He was killed by a single killer. Ergo: not me.

I could not have made my two mafia group kills as a wiseguy if I had a lone killer power. And if I had single killer power I could not have made my two wiseguy kills.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lord Winter was cagey – walking home to his apartment via the boardwalk so that he could be sure there were plenty of people around. It would not be enough. A section of boards collapsed beneath him dumping him onto the sand below where a masked figure clubbed him into unconsciousness.

He was injected with a lethal dose of heroin shortly thereafter – mostly to keep him unconscious as he faded out. He was tied, gagged and given a heavy set of cement boots – actually a galvanized tub filled with drying cement – and dropped into 20 feet of water at the end of the pier. He was, fortunately, dead from the overdose before he slipped under the water. His remains would never be found – except by the crabs.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Proletariat noticed that the balloon had been deflated with a shotgun just before it would have yanked her upright to her death. She couldn’t make much sense of what was written on the balloon – “ncetnoni”

I can make sense of it: I-n-n-o-c-e-n-t.

This, as the veterans here remember, has been the signature of Sasaki for over a year.

W..wait! D..did I just say Sasaki?

Regarding this:



That's not how the rules read.

Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.

This appears to be irrespective of the "accuracy" of the investigation; you'll notice how FBI detectives get more accurate results than regular detectives (though still not perfectly accurate). I must be one of those unlucky townies who shows up as "criminal." It isn't relevant how many times I get investigated.

Anyway, this will become obvious in a few days after my post-mortem, so it's pointless to debate this further.

Wait, you are right!

So, this means that 1 in 6 people who show up as innocent are really not innocent at all? Sasaki, you lucky *******!

So that's how you have been able to fool everybody.

Vote: Sasaki

Vote doesn't coun't. Just calling attention to Don Corleone Sasaki.
Thanks, Seamus, for that clever little clue.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I promised the goods, and I delivered. My new campaign promise: to provide you with at least six names from Sasaki's Don Corleone balloon family before my new term is over.

Just like how I was in that family too, huh?

It's a nice try, Louis. Really, it is. But shut up now.

[shlin28]

So confused...



Vote: Sasaki for now, but what I dont get is, why would he put his own tag in the kills?

Select Jimbob