Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Myrddraal]

Now, now, Kage. That is no way to speak of your mafia allies. Tsk.

The petty grovelling of the Cunnios pleases the town. Hence, they win. However, you have some fine players on your team too, so I am quite sure your family can outgrovel the Cunnios yet. Just lower your pants and bend over further than the Cunnios and this 'glorious mafia win' will be all yours.

Loving every word!

[Dutch_guy]

Not true:

Indicating that it is indeed possible.

That only accouns for the situation when ones original Don has been killed (is lost) and as far as I know EF was that families original Don. Well, I have no reason not to think so. And my comment meant just that, staying true to ones original Don.

[Husar]

Bah, i said I would congratulate the mafia if only one family wins and I'll keep my word, that the town votes with them has no real bearing as the town already voted with them before, they/we just didn't know it. As TinCow and I have stated the Cunnios had a Cunning(haha!) plan and that worked out well for them, the rest are just mad that they did the dirty work for the cunning Cunnios like the tools(in a more literal, non-insulting sense) they are.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #3814



"Mama told me one day it was gonna happen
But she never told me when.
She told me it would happen when I was much older.
Wish it wouldve happened then.

Is this the end?
I wanna know, I wanna know, I wanna know.
Is this the end?
I gotta know, I gotta know, I gotta know.
Is this the end?"
-- New Edition



Sunset, Day 14

Caius, Shlin28, and Proletariat sat huddled together, staring at the argument raging between two (more?) factions that had, only the previous evening, voted nearly in lockstep with one another. Accusations flung at Caius that he was a traitor to 'What’s best for Fatlington' had caused a storm of criticism early in the meeting and Caius’ response – “I only wish I had the chance to kill a few more Mafia Scum!” had sent a brief chill through the room, but the argument changed and shifted. Eventually, the trio found themselves little more than spectators. Finally, it came time to vote.

Craterus huddled with the two counting officers for tonight while the other 4 guards paired off near the likely candidates for tonight – Kagemusha and Caius.

“It is the will of this committee,” intoned Craterus in an oddly formal voice, “that Kagemusha has been judged guilty and a threat to Fatlington. Kagemusha, it is with sincere regret that I hereby declare your life forfeit.”

The guards quickly immobilized Kagemusha.

“Do you have any last words before execution of sentence?”

Kage stared daggers at Craterus.

“It should not be this way. There is no honor in this.” Kagemusha shook his head sadly.

No one else spoke. Kagemusha was walked down to the boardwalk by the guards and tied to the railing on the seaward side. He was offered a blindfold, which he spat upon. He was offered a cigarette, which he accepted. The officers formed the firing party. Kagemusha stared up defiantly at the windows from where the committee watched the execution of justice. With a sneer, he turned his face away to stare directly at the firing squad, looking through and past them to the last rays of the setting sun.

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Kagemusha didn’t fall. Chest riven by four shots and slammed back into the railing he struggled to bring himself to his feet one last time. He laughed, or at least it would have been a laugh with untorn lungs, and then whispered one final word.

“Rosebud…”

Coughing and chuckling to himself, Kagemusha slumped in his restraints, and died of his wounds.

Craterus released the committee and they all went out into the dark.



OOC

1. PM’s for night 15 are due no later than 1000 EDT 13 March 2008 (1400 GMT). I will expect PMs from all, clearly stating their actions, inactions or any other relevant statements of intent.

2. Lynch Tally: (13 of 13 possible votes)

Kagemusha = 8 (Caius, Gibsons91291, Proletariat, Scottishranger, Shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II).

Caius = 4 (CountArach, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Leet Erikson)

No Lynch = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

Not Allowed to Vote = 1 (Craterus, Director).

[Andres]

Great guys. Absolutely great.

You know what will happen now, right?

Tomorrow, the townies (only 3, I know, but their 3 votes will be decisive) will vote together with the remnants of Kage's family to get anybody but Craterus elected as Director. The night after that, Craterus, the last Don, will die and who will have won this game?

Yes, the town!

You guys were in a very comfortable position to win this game. It was impossible for the mafia to lose and see now You'll have to be very lucky to keep the last remaining Don alive on night 16 to ensure a mafia victory.



Put TinCow, Louis and CR on your ignore lists!

[Husar]

I say the town helps Crate win this and then we get an honorable mafia victory as we should. It also remains to be seen who dies tonight.
But then the strength of the mafia is uaually to be hidden, by revealing their identities they screwed themselves over in a moment of overconfidence.

[Pannonian]

Great guys. Absolutely great.

You know what will happen now, right?

Tomorrow, the townies (only 3, I know, but their 3 votes will be decisive) will vote together with the remnants of Kage's family to get anybody but Craterus elected as Director. The night after that, Craterus, the last Don, will die and who will have won this game?

Yes, the town!

You guys were in a very comfortable position to win this game. It was impossible for the mafia to lose and see now You'll have to be very lucky to keep the last remaining Don alive on night 16 to ensure a mafia victory.



Put TinCow, Louis and CR on your ignore lists!

Erm, don't mafia families continue to live without their Dons? In Capo 1 one of the families had lost its Don early, but lived on, and eventually selected CountArach as their new Don. Why would the game end if Craterus were to die?

[Andres]

In general, the town wins when all the mafia Dons are dead – including any new Dons that have “hatched.”

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

[Kagemusha]

Thanks for the game. And congratulations to the town appointed Capo de Tutti Capi, Craterus.

[TinCow]

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

[Pannonian]

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

So what are the current rosters? Would it be feasible for the Cunnios to eliminate one more of the Barzini, thus crippling them?

[Kagemusha]

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

Im sure you would love that. Petty minded mafia killing each other untill cripled so town could win. If there is any sense in the remaining players,they wont take that route.

[Husar]

Thanks for the game. And congratulations to the town appointed Capo de Tutti Capi, Craterus.

I truly wanted you to win when I said you should better strike first, I think you played a good game nonetheless mate, don't be too sad, that truce was simply less stable than you thought and we all know miscalculations happen to the best of us.

[TinCow]

Im sure you would love that. Petty minded mafia killing each other untill cripled so town could win. If there is any sense in the remaining players,they wont take that route.

There's nothing petty about earning a win. The entire game is focused on a victory for either the townies or a single family. A single family victory is what every mafia family has been working towards for the entire game. Giving up on it now because a several dead mafioso are grumpy that they won't get a bonus score is absurd.

[Andres]

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

Take a closer look at my previous posts. I'm not particularly in favour of a combined mafia victory.

But it would be smart for the mafia to focus on the mutual enemy, which is the town. They should take no risks with them. shlin is a doctor and who knows what powers Prole and Caius have still left. If all three of them have power roles, their combined efforts can still hurt a crippled mafia family. It's in the interest of each family to take out all townies first.

After that, the surviving mafiosi can fight it out in an honorable battle and the winner earns the title of Capo de Tutti Capi.

I'm not for a minute insinuating that Stracci can still be part of a victory. We were beaten at an early stage of the game. I already accepted that a long time ago.

[Kagemusha]

I truly wanted you to win when I said you should better strike first, I think you played a good game nonetheless mate, don't be too sad, that truce was simply less stable than you thought and we all know miscalculations happen to the best of us.

Il comment more when the game is over. What i dont get is town gloating over Cunnios with their marvellous strategy. What happened was that first the Tataglia "mafiosi" scottishranger and Gibsons betrayed their own Don and killed him, neither of them was original Tataglia. after that the town in unison offered the victory to Cunnios, by all voting me, any Don with half of brain would have taken that chance. So all we have is two more traitors and town electing Capo de Tutti Capi. Like i said in my description: There is no honour. I made it possible for the mafia to win, its up to the remaining players to decide what they want to do. As my first and foremost objective was mafia victory, i have instructed all remaining Barzini to join Cunnio. Its up to them if they want to do that or die fighting and allow the town possibility of victory.

[Kagemusha]

There's nothing petty about earning a win. The entire game is focused on a victory for either the townies or a single family. A single family victory is what every mafia family has been working towards for the entire game. Giving up on it now because a several dead mafioso are grumpy that they won't get a bonus score is absurd.

There is no earning when something is given to you.

[TinCow]

Take a closer look at my previous posts. I'm not particularly in favour of a combined mafia victory.

But it would be smart for the mafia to focus on the mutual enemy, which is the town. They should take no risks with them. shlin is a doctor and who knows what powers Prole and Caius have still left. If all three of them have power roles, their combined efforts can still hurt a crippled mafia family. It's in the interest of each family to take out all townies first.

After that, the surviving mafiosi can fight it out in an honorable battle and the winner earns the title of Capo de Tutti Capi.

I'm not for a minute insinuating that Stracci can still be part of a victory. We were beaten at an early stage of the game. I already accepted that a long time ago.

Very true, Andres. Unfortunately the truce is already over and everyone knows there's no way to repair it. The remaining townies will be killed off by whoever wins tonight's duel, but for tonight at least, if one family goes after the townies, the other will gut them alive. Since there's no way to re-establish trust between the families at this point, the only option they have left is a straight up slugging match. Since the town can't kill, the determining factor is likely to be who the Tataglia and Corleone remnants side with.

[Kagemusha]

So what the sudden silence? Tincow did your boys got revealed? there are two traitors from last night and everybody should know them: scottishranger and Gibsons. These characters killed their own Don. So its likely that they could be even pro town people, wating for the mafia to go at eachother. So i ask for the remaining mafioso not to go into war,but join, its clear that the town is trying to play you against each other.

[Andres]

So what the sudden silence? Tincow did your boys got revealed? there are two traitors from last night and everybody should know them: scottishranger and Gibsons. These characters killed their own Don. So its likely that they could be even pro town people, wating for the mafia to go at eachother.

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

[Kagemusha]

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

[Andres]

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

If they are Wiseguys, then they should perform a family sanctioned kill tonight. If the target chosen by the mafia does not die, then you know they are still playing pro-town.

Worst case scenario:

Let's assume Caius has been promoted to Wiseguy (didn't he kill for the mafia?), this would mean that the town consists of:

3 wiseguys
1 doctor (shlin28)
1 unknown factor (Prole), could be anything: doctor, Wiseguy, detective, surgeon, secret power role (perfectly possible, you know, remember how she was always protected when attacked?)...

+ the combined efforts of lying and manipulating scumbags townies like TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis...

Now, surviving mafiosi, this is a powerful foe, isn't it?

Killing Caius, Prole and shlin28 should be top priority. gibson and scottish need to be forced to perform a family sanctioned kill on one of those.

[Pannonian]

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

Wasn't gibson a Made from the start? If so, and is EF was his Don, there's not much sense in killing his own Don and leaving his family with just 2 members, one of which may or may not be a Made. It might just be plausible in the early game, when there are still plenty of undecideds around who may help you top up your numbers, but the lines are drawn pretty clearly by this point.

I suppose drawing up a list of families and roles may help clarify this, as would an investigation on each of them. Providing they don't kill tonight, if they're wise guys, they'll show up as guilty, as wise guys show up as guilty for the rest of the game once they've been involved in at least one killing. If they're Mades, they'll show up as criminal, as Mades show up as criminal unless they're involved in killing the night they're investigated. I don't suppose they'll agree to give up their action for tonight though, so that test will remain purely theoretical.

[TinCow]

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

A slight hole in your theory, that one. If they are both wiseguys, they couldn't have performed a 2 person hit. A 2 person mafia hit requires at least 1 Made.

[TruePraetorian]

Gibson and Scottish are with us. They joined the family after EF died, who by the way the Cunnio's did not do.

The Cunnio arent going to be killing any townies, its uneccesary. They helped us lynch Kage, securing their place in Fatlington. Besides, i think someone already stated, what would a town be without townies

Thank you to Prole, Caius, Shlin, T'Blade, and any other townies that helped.

So, Barzini, we dont want anymore blood. Just join the family, allowing the Cunnio to have more members then everyone, and ending this bloody game

[Kagemusha]

A slight hole in your theory, that one. If they are both wiseguys, they couldn't have performed a 2 person hit. A 2 person mafia hit requires at least 1 Made.

Sorry no it doesnt.The hit was family hit, even if the target was their own Don. That explains the Italian language message. Nothing prohibits mafia attacking their own family. Good playing guys but not good enough.Anyway.Charge was the original made of Tataglia, not either of these guys. So it seems you moles have been found.

[Myrddraal]

This is not me as a townie speaking, but me as a person. The town cannot win, but Craterus' has been planning this for some time, he has been manipulating you. Either he fooled Caius, or Caius is working for him. In our recent town discussions, it was Caius who pushed for us to Kill EF.

Yes, it was the town who killed EF! I wrote the write up, it was intentionally vague about how many killers there were, implying two. However, it was not our intention to kill him!

We believed he had a Luca, we only had two alive townies online (one of them may have been a wise guy, Caius). The plan was to have a failed hit on EF. We intended it to look like a failed mafia hit, which failed because of a Luca protection.

Caius discussed all of this with Craterus, who promised he would not kill any townies if we vote Kage the next day.

But the hit succeeded! There weren't enough townies for the hit to succeed, but there was a town contribution. Craterus must have sent a wise guy to make our attack succeed.


So now you know the whole truth. Craterus has been manipulating you, and the town, since the truce was first announced. Let me tell you this, Craterus manipulated the town, and I'm not too happy about that, we fought hard even to the bitter end, hatching our plan to try to trigger a war between the two families, but Craterus used us for his own ends.

Now, he is still using you. You risk nothing from the town. Why hand this manipulator (who has stayed hidden all game, not even killing) the game on a platter.


And so, Craterus' master plan is complete. Master of puppets pulling the strings. I can't wait to see that treacherous Sasaki Dance for his new overlord.

There is no way the town can win. There are three townies left alive. It would take all but 2 mafiosos to die for the town to win. That's not going to happen.

When you were threatened the first time, all the mafia banded together. You were afraid, so you ran to each other for comfort. But one player was playing Capo Di Tutti Capi; Craterus. Now he threatens you again, and offers you another comfort zone; a place on the winning team. Some winner you will be, nothing but a pawn.

[TinCow]

So it seems you moles have been found.

Yep, and now they've infiltrated the Cunnio. Better kill them before they betray their "new" family.

[TruePraetorian]

No, we arent going to be killing our own family, nice try.

[Andres]

Gibson and Scottish are with us.

If they are Wiseguys, they can still chose town. With all the backstabbing going on in this game, you cannot fully trust them until they have been promoted to Made Gangsters of your family.

If they chose the town's side, then the town will have 5 members, 3 of them Wiseguys, one of them a doctor and the 5th one probably a secret power role. Not a weak opponent.

Also, your family will have lost 2 members (scottish and gibson) and will probably lose another 1 or 2 in the killings that will follow.

Killing the townies is a priority.