Worst influence in History

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Which of the following government/economic types have had the worst influence on human history?

[Geoffrey S]

Governments have had the worst influence on human history.

[FactionHeir]

Of those listed, I'd say capitalism. While not being a commie, I still think that with everything revolving about profit margins and company value, our world is worse off.

[Fragony]

Other, emperialism.

edit, did I just say that? Emperialism brought a lot of good as well.

[CountArach]

Other, emperialism.

edit, did I just say that? Emperialism brought a lot of good as well.

What good did Imperialism bring?

[Caius]

Everything listed above was the worse thing.

[KarlXII]

Which of the following government/economic types have had the worst influence on human history?

I don't think political/economic ideology is the sole contributor to bad influence. People are significant in making governments bad. Communism is a nice ideology, everything for the people, yet Stalin has left his bad mark on it.

[seireikhaan]

I voted communism. Reason? USSR. After World War II, the U.S. became obsessed with stopping the 'spread of communism'. What'd result in? Vietnam War, anti-communist hysteria(Joe McCarthy, anyone?), Cuban missile crisis, arms buildup that left the U.S. and Russia with enough nuclear missiles to literally anihiliate the entire planet, leaving the world potentially hanging by a thread of nuclear obliteration. Plus, Reagan's method of melting down the USSR was based around the fact that the U.S. could outspend it to death, resulting in the continued growth of a mega-government in what was originally one of the benchmarks for a limited government. And of course, now, all it takes is for one of those nuclear weapons to 'go astray' into the hands of a terrorist organization and we get a whole 'nother barrel full of monkeys.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Communism has killed more people than fascism, and was part of the problem that almost destroyed the world.

Actually, come to think of it, I'd say Eurovision.

[CountArach]

As much as I loathe Capitalism I would say Fascism. Though Stalinism/Leninism (Not Communism) do come close.

[HoreTore]

Actually, come to think of it, I'd say Eurovision.

Seconded!!!!

[LittleGrizzly]

I went for facism but stalinism would have been as accpetable choice if included

[Shaka_Khan]

Communism has killed more people than fascism, and was part of the problem that almost destroyed the world.

Actually, come to think of it, I'd say Eurovision.

I agree.

[Pannonian]

Facism. All the other choices at least governed based on ideology, but facists governed based on looks.

[CountArach]

If we can restrict this conversation to Communism without refering to Stalinism (Which is authoritarianism) then I will join, otherwise count me out...

[Andres]

Other : Eurovision.

Definitely.

[PanzerJaeger]

If we can restrict this conversation to Communism without refering to Stalinism (Which is authoritarianism) then I will join, otherwise count me out...

Heh, lets keep Hitlerism out of this too.

[InsaneApache]

The Commies murdered far more people than all the others put together. So Commie it is then.

[CrossLOPER]

Are we forgetting colonialism and western expansion again?

[LittleGrizzly]

Stalin still has more.

As we can stalin has a yearly kill rate of 220,000 extra and thanks for finding figuring that out.

The figures still need to be adjusted though based on populations, if we want to figure out simply who killed more it was obviously stalin but we have to take into consideration the available population to kill.

for example country A has population of 1 million they kill 10,000 people
country B has a population of 10 million they kill 20,000 people

Now country A's leader has killed of 1% of his population country B has killed 0.2% of its population, so country A's leader is far deadlier in comparison even though the leader of country B has killed more.

You look at Hitlers available to kill population and it was limited to Germany until about '36 (forgot the name and unsure on date the joining with austria) and im pretty sure even at the peak of Hitlers empire which would have only lasted about a year the soviets had a far bigger available population after WW2. Probably still a comparable population when Hitlers empire was at its peak.

[InsaneApache]

Stalin was an amateur compared to Mao.

[TinCow]

Voted Other, because my answer is None. Worst Influence implies that there is a Best Influence. It is not possible to make such a determination without first identifying what is desirable and undesirable in human history. On an objective level, there is no such thing as 'good' or 'bad' history, society, or civilization. Therefore I reject any notion that any particular ideology or government could have been good or bad for history as a whole. History simply is, it is not something that should be considered good or bad. You might as well ask whether gravity had a positive or negative influence on science.

[drone]

Other - Organized religion.

[LittleGrizzly]

Other - Organized religion.

Now how the hell did i forget this one, facism is more of a second placed vote, as far as im concerned Organised religion is the worst influence in history and to the present day.

[cegorach]

Fine to me - organized atheism is already here as communism and to lesser degre (varies from much lesser to slightly lesser) fascism.

[Abokasee]

Voted Gah!

They all blow to be honest, a world where money is at the centre is not good for those who are poor, and a world where everyone has the same amount of wealth can only begin on a new planet where the words "Captilism" dosnt exsist, and facistism, well what can I say, its only killed less people that Communism because very few countries where facists after 1945.

[Ironside]

Tricky one, of those three, capitalism probably got most killed (but the longest time and the trickiest judgements), but on the other hand it seems to be needed for economic growth and general wealth, atleast during a certain period. Needs to be regulated though, as it's pure form is far from plesant.
As noted by Tribesman, the flaws gave the development of the other two.

Communism is the most idealistic with the idea of economic equality, a maybe too idealistic move from the human equality. Has a particular problem with revolutions though.

Revolutions often ends up in the hands of those with the most determined core (while the great mass start it), in this case they're often an powerhungry, idealistic, fanatical movement that has lost the connection with reality. They will then make whacky reforms, that after thier failure will be blamed on "traitors in our midst", turning the punishments invards. That Stalinism seems to been popular to adopt (due to giving power and being the first "successful" revolution) doesn't exactly help the matter.

Needless to say, it has given rise to among the most brutal regimes the world have seen.

The original Facism is a counter movement to all forms of Socialism and is already from the birth intended on viping that "threat" and other "threats" in general out of existance. That by eliminating the people supporting it and the ideas that gave birth to these "threats" in the first place. That means bye, bye liberalism, democracy, equality of humanity and some other ideas we're fond of today.

[Scurvy]

Capitalism --> it caused communism and fascism and is responsible for more war's and deaths than anything else...

however between communism and fascism, fascism is the "less bad" --> at least fascism makes practical sense and is good for at least a small ethnic/whatever minority