How Org could better serve the needs of MP players,Clans and the MP community?

[Gregoshi]

Good discussion so far. Lots of good points to discuss and consider, both from the Org side and community side.

I have been pleasantly surprised at all the discussions that have popped up in the new forum. Comparatively speaking, the Dojo II has turned into a desert since this forum came to be. However, I too have noticed it is pretty much a retired veterans' club - where are the new clans? If we want this to become the focal point for S2TW MP, we must all become ambassadors. If you hear mention of new/unknown clans talking about S2TW, take it upon yourself to find them and engage them in discussion via email, chat, their clan forums, etc and invite them to join the discussions here. Welcoming of new players or new clans is a must if we want to grow the MP community. We will also have to be careful and not ram the "STW MP was soooo much better than the crap MP the TW series has now" attitude down the newer players' throats - the bitter old man syndrome if you will.

And as for moderation of MP forum(s), I recognize I am not well suited to moderating such forums and have said so to the Org staff. I volunteered to help moderate this forum with Kage for the time being in these early stages of the game's development until better and more suitable moderators are assigned.

[UglyElmo2]

Don't get me wrong Gregoshi: I think you are very capable of moderating the MP forum. :) You have the personality for it, as well as Kage. The reason I stated the .org may want to have the MP community vote for the moderators in this new section, is to disprove what Tibiculus stated as a perceive clique. Though, I also understand Tibiculus' thoughts about how the voting could also be perceived in such a manner. It's quite a conundrum. :)

I think the first step which needs to be taken is opening up this section of the forum to new patrons without them having to go through the introduction/waiting period. Otherwise, I think you will find people will not be willing to join here. This is probably the main reason some people feel the .org is a clique and not an open forum.

[Kocmoc]

Since many speak about the past. The current situation, as far i can see, was caused by the general opinion of how this game has to played - SP.
I remember endless discussion about this matter and it was always the same, this of course did lead to the situation, no Tourneys, hardly some clear positioning.

Newer clans are not here, as far i can see, without them this cant/wont work. How to suddenly attract those player?
If i see Gregoshi ask where are the new clans are, i ask myself, why the ORG took that way?
I remember the "NET" times, people always since then wanted more room for the MP part of the game, but the ORG didnt deliver!

We become older, Im sure, that many of the old guys are more than willing to help to build something up here.

A good point came up with some good player becoming a moderator here, this is more than needed. It was always a big problem to argue with moderators here who maybe played a bit online, but was far away from being a real good player. I made a post about what i expect from the ORG concerning tourneys. As i dont know how other guys organize there tourneys, i guess that the current hosts still face the same old problems, at least i didnt found a tool on steam to help organize a tourney.

I brought up this tool and want to mention it once again.

You all surely saw the "Table" of the football WM, there you always see this windows where the names of the Teams are written in. The amount thins out more and more and in the end you see just 2 windows which remain the last 2 teams. (I hope that is good explained from me...). This tool i expect here at the ORG. Its pretty easy to work with, in the first line you enter all the names of the player who want to take part, this can be done by the organizer or the player itself.

Now the easy part, which usually takes ages to actualize, after the 2 player played their game, the winner (actual he is the guy who has still interest) come here and write his name in the "second line", if the loser found that the winner did cheat or whatever he can speak to the moderater od the tourney.
This tool would speed a tourney up like hell, my tourney back in mtw was 200+ player strong and we did need 4 weeks to finish it - here you found the tourney - www.kocmoc.de

You could play surely 5-6 games in one day, assuming that a game takes 1h, that would be 32 or 64 player.


That tool is just an example of what could be done. Also i have never used Steam before, so im not the guy who could say something about it, what i saw was an extra unit you can get,
if you join a certain TW group on Steam. If this is possible, why the ORG with the help of CA doesnt get a deal done with Steam?

Replay´s. If i did learn something in another game, than that the people love spectating, they love to watch the better player playing a battle.
The Org should install ( right now, you dont need to wait for Shogun2) a site here, where player can upload their games.
We also could stream tourney fights, the software is out and easy to use. It needs to get promoted.

If shogun2 will really hold what CA actual promise, than we will see tons of new player and the young people today love watching. I know some use youtube, other have their own sites...
Org need the traffic and the space to host this, if the ORG cant deliver it, you can use Youtube and kinds implement it here, so it look nice at least.

I doubt that this place has any trouble to be a big meeting point, especially as the old clans, if they really come back, will rule it. This is the big advance.
You got all the big player still, now you can mix up some old memories, i know that Mag still has the 3v3 Allstart replay, of AMP, Mag and me. This are memories, get something from the old spirits in here.

The mob always runs to the winner, if the ORG contains almost all the winner, the sheeps will follow.
This said, hold the hands of the top oldtimer a bit and you already won.

Without knowing what CA is planning, i personal would create an official playernote, which contains personal infos, but also a lot of statistics.
This infos can be used to get a quick look at the player, since there are Steam achievements, why not give some more? Won a tourney, won two tourneys... and so on, more MP marks.

If i met a player online id like to know, how many percent of his games hes winning, which maps he mostly play on, he defend? He use art?
How long his battles last average?

What about the old Clanwar belt? or other longrun "tourneys", we always made it ourself, there was no help from the ORG or other places, there could be each weekend the fight for the belt.
It has to get organised, it needs preparation. If help is needed im more than willing to support and help where i can.

I have endless ideas, this just would take too long now to bring em all up.

Koc


edit: In another tread we spoke about communication. I saw, that Steam offer some kind of Team Speak.
What about, if the ORG would host a TS3 server? Im not sure, how good the Steam TS is, i just know that TS3 cause some very small extra latency, which is more than important these days.

Within the "ORG-TS" you could give each Clan who register at the ORG their own clanchannel.


What about different languages? While it might be a problem in the first place, there could be a some room for different languages, i give you the german elite clan and the spanish celtiberos.
Both got many players at those times and with more player becoming active in MP, the different languages could be interesting.
Why not offer player who lack english skills, like me, some space to get help in their own languages?
Some basics maybe, some help, i personal would like to help german players, other might want to help people from their country as well.

If the ORG runs tourneys, it would be more than helpful to write the rules not only in english, just one example.

[Napoleon The Emperor Of Europe]

Mate.that is excellent,it would be good to upload your replyas on this site,that would really do.

[drone]

I think the first step which needs to be taken is opening up this section of the forum to new patrons without them having to go through the introduction/waiting period. Otherwise, I think you will find people will not be willing to join here. This is probably the main reason some people feel the .org is a clique and not an open forum.

Just a quick point. A while back (a couple of years ago?), the Junior Members were given access to most of the forum, and not kept confined to the Entrance Hall. If I'm not mistaken, they have access to all game-related sub-forums. They still can't edit posts, and might have some other restrictions, but they can take part in the game discussions as soon as they join up.

[UglyElmo2]

Just a quick point. A while back (a couple of years ago?), the Junior Members were given access to most of the forum, and not kept confined to the Entrance Hall. If I'm not mistaken, they have access to all game-related sub-forums. They still can't edit posts, and might have some other restrictions, but they can take part in the game discussions as soon as they join up.

You may be right Drone. I haven't been here for awhile and I am not sure what changes have been made since. :)

[Kagemusha]

Thank you guys for a tons of great ideas coming out. I am also glad that again and again issues that are currently talked in the staff, pop up also in the talks here. That tells me that atleast we are picking up some signs correctly from the community. I also wellcome any ideas concerning moderation/ moderators. Like Greg mentioned currently we are a temporary solution at the moment.
Concerning moderation in this forum right now. Telling is that i havent had to issue a single warning here after this subforum was opened. So basically you veterans are self moderating this forum, which is an ideal situation. All i see is fruitfull and constructive discussion about several issues and i see my role in all this as someone listening and trying my best to pass those idea´s forward, so we can create a best enviroment possible for the MP of the featured title.

[Magyar Khan]

well the current group vets here are a cosy bunch i think...... :o)

it would be nice if the org made a list of the raised ideas and invesitigates in whats possible or whats not..... the most simple feature for instance is the upload option for replays... like i posted as example...

[Kocmoc]

we are all old mens, Mag with his 45 years is quite old and has no energy left to fight on a board. haha.

[Sp00n]

Good discussion so far. Lots of good points to discuss and consider, both from the Org side and community side.

I have been pleasantly surprised at all the discussions that have popped up in the new forum. Comparatively speaking, the Dojo II has turned into a desert since this forum came to be. However, I too have noticed it is pretty much a retired veterans' club - where are the new clans? If we want this to become the focal point for S2TW MP, we must all become ambassadors. If you hear mention of new/unknown clans talking about S2TW, take it upon yourself to find them and engage them in discussion via email, chat, their clan forums, etc and invite them to join the discussions here. Welcoming of new players or new clans is a must if we want to grow the MP community. We will also have to be careful and not ram the "STW MP was soooo much better than the crap MP the TW series has now" attitude down the newer players' throats - the bitter old man syndrome if you will.

And as for moderation of MP forum(s), I recognize I am not well suited to moderating such forums and have said so to the Org staff. I volunteered to help moderate this forum with Kage for the time being in these early stages of the game's development until better and more suitable moderators are assigned.

Its early days we have no details on MP and I think the pair of you have done a fine job so far, basically atm all we can do is throw around ideas, I do think the number 1 priority in this time should be to get theorg promoted more hopefully by getting some sort of tie in with CA TW site and or steam.
Has gone very quite here again since since the initial Shogun annoucement apart from the handful of old vets still posting.

[Magyar Khan]

I dont think clanleaders should be a moderator per say.... from what i see now the org mods do fine as long they stick to moderating, watching and reminding people to stay within some area..... I dont think it will be a good idea to make a clanleader a moderator here..... perhaps it would be better if the mods are not that much invloved in everything but i can imagine that they have close lines to the clanleaders or such.... but it should not be excaggerated.... if a mods role gets too important he may be on the wrong course anyway....

A like the idea of a place to upload replays.... where people can discuss them and rate them like in warcraft3 http://tft.replayers.com
I play warcraft myself and somethimes its nice to observe while im working or eating.... :o)

A different clan forum would be handy where rules are obeyed..... and a Warzone would be handy for all nasty stuff.... perhaps passworded to keep the accidential visitor out.... a simple pass but a pass...

What would be of very big help is that the org supports the members major voice when it comes to wishlists and patching.... this is what i missed many years ago... ofcourse much is debatable concerning this subject but its a challenge to try this time....

[Krasturak]

I need a technical guide to help me with the basics, such as: what is the current patch version? How do I join a multiplayer game? The basic stuff is not available, and this could be isolating the stuffy guys like me that can't figure it out for ourselves. Not much use to talk about tactics or fun tournaments or wahtever until I can get to play this.

[Andres]

About the patch: the game runs on Steam and it patches automatically, so you don't need to worry about that.

About your other questions, well I'm not exactly an MP player, so I'll leave that to others.

[Krasturak]

About the patch: the game runs on Steam and it patches automatically, so you don't need to worry about that.

Oh. It alwys tells me that I can't join, I have the wrong game version.

Does this mean I have to buy the game expansion modules?