I finally figured out why!!!

[Butcher]

My main worry is, that with so many new 'gamers' enjoying RTW, CA may never bother with it's core fans wishes.

Define 'new 'gamers''..? Those who have only played RTW? that would be my definition, and if yours as well then i agree!
And just how large is the TW core fanbase anyway? Is the core large enough to warrant the amount of money it costs CA to develop RTW?
CA are still a business after all.. and need to make a profit to satisfy Activision!

[Maltz]

I hate to self-advertise, but now I am working on some modding to make the game really hard - to a point that any veteran will lose it more than 50% of the time. Hopefully this mod will restore some interests.

For sure there are a lot of shortcomings of RTW, but for me it is still fun so far. (Or maybe not anymore, so I resort to making mods?

I find rebel groups popping up in an INSANE frequency in the barbarian & some eastern lands. I have to camp a diplomat in every town to handle the uprising before devastation occurs. I can't imagine how could players who restrain bribery handle them. Even from the current cheap bribery price my treasury is drained significantly. For other regions rebels don't really pop up this frequently.

[Mikeus Caesar]

Campaign game seems to be scripted – Armenia always destroyed, Egypt always a power horse, Rome factions will rule eventually... I am bored even as I write this GAH!!!!!

Actually, if you play a civilisation like greece, you can make enough of a difference to screw up the balance of power. If you can keep syracuse for long enough, then the scipii will never get to destroy carthage, thus keeping them in the game, and if you can cause a bit of mayhem on that peninsular with the pontus on, then for some reason armenia will survive and become one of the main superpowers, and egypt will end up shrinking into nothingness.

[The Wizard]

I'll just have to improvise, with this inadequate non-quotestacking system used nowadays.

Replying to jjnip's post:

Your point is, in my opinion, invalid. A game should not require its player to make it interesting on his own. A game should capture you, and then hold you fast for as long as possible. It should not require of a player to search for ways to make it interesting, to stop -- in RTW's case -- after 15-20 turns and go in search of a new challenge because the one that the player in question was busy with got boring so soon.

No, RTW is a failure. A game which was hyped to such a degree and then does not deliver on what it promises -- namely a huge improvement on all fronts over its predecessor -- is a failure in my book.

Oh, sure, RTW has its nice sides. Nice graphics, cooler sieges, and... what else? I am appalled that after only two things I am forced to start with everything that I think is wrong with this game. That is simply unacceptable. It has so much potential -- so much wasted potential.

I hope so badly that this new patch which is coming will improve, first and foremost, the AI hugely. Maybe with a smarter AI the battles will once again turn interesting, and I will be hooked as I was hooked to MTW for so long. Maybe I can once again look back fondly to that one awesome battle; maybe I can once again enjoy long turns filled with stragetical pondering, intrigue, diplomacy, and economical challenges; maybe I can once again look fondly at my expanding empire.

Maybe the new patch will bring the true fun back into the game, and allow me to finally see the new options in their full glory.

P.S. When going through the turns of other factions on the map, all I see is their pieces moving at super high speed, a speed which I cannot follow if I am to enjoy the new stragetical options provided by the new map system fully. In other words: if enemy armies move so fast that I can't follow them, and are suddenly knocking at my door from a position somewhere in the distance without me knowing how they moved, how am I to prepare for them and outmanouevre them stragetically?

So my question is: can you somehow make the armies of the other factions move slowly, like your own armies? It would also improve my experience of the game, methinks...



~Wiz

[Spartiate]

I agree with most of the Issues which Dedmoroz brought to our attention in the original post in this thread.I will not however take this game off my hard-drive.I have been modding my game to make the some of the factions fight harder to survive the early game while i wait for the patches and hope and pray that CA will get it right.I really do hope that we were not screwed on purpose and that the finished product(via free patches) will re-affirm my faith in CA.
Only the other evening i decided to play a game of MTW and was surprised at how much more complete a game it is.I had simply forgotten how good it is in comparisson to RTW.

[Spino]

Calling this game a failure is a travesty. Yes, it needs fixing and until the next patch comes out I suggest everyone relax and assume a 'wait and see' stance. I honestly believe there is going to be greater support for Rome than previously seen with other TW titles. The fact that we can mod so many aspects of RTW should be proof enough of Activision and CA's commitment to this franchise.

I guarantee there is going to be at least one or two patches coming down the pike for Rome. I think it's safe to say one will arrive sometime before Christmas with the second two or three months after that. I expect news regarding the expansion to hit us sometime in early Spring.

I also guarantee that constructive criticism will do more good than any ranting, raving and name calling. The developers visit the Org with alarming regularity and based on their commentary and content of CA's patches and expansion, value the average Org member's input more highly than that of the average Com member. Don't spoil a good thing by catering to your passions and alienating the developers.

RTW is the furthest thing from a disaster, it's a fantastic sports car that is in need of serious tuning. Once tuned I'm sure she'll handle the turns like a cat.

[Yun Dog]

Calling this game a failure is a travesty. .

I think what we're seeing here is the glass is half full vs half empty

I definitely choose to see the glass as half full

The fact that we can mod so many aspects of RTW should be proof enough of Activision and CA's commitment to this franchise..

I also guarantee that constructive criticism will do more good than any ranting, raving and name calling. ..

I agree Toranaga Sama please get off your high opinionated ranting horse

theres no need to start personally attacking posters for expressing their opinions - they are entitled to theirs just as much as you are to yours

which smacked of L33Tist drivel i might add

ahh the good old days of STW *day dreams* - but that was then and this is now

RTW is the furthest thing from a disaster, it's a fantastic sports car that is in need of serious tuning. Once tuned I'm sure she'll handle the turns like a cat.

if you guys are too short sighted to see this then I pity you - your right you wasted your money
may as well leave it at that

I love the game - best money Ive spent - I have and will continue to get many hours of enjoyment from it

whats left to say other than - Get over it!
this is RTW like it or not, but crying about achieves nothing
but your fully entitled to do so - I can always use a laugh - strong sense of dejavue - even the names are the same

comon group hug

[DisruptorX]

whats left to say other than - Get over it!
this is RTW like it or not, but crying about achieves nothing
but your fully entitled to do so - I can always use a laugh - strong sense of dejavue - even the names are the same

Maybe we aren't criticising this game because we are cynical asses, but because we love the series and are really sad to see the choices that have been made with the game.

And you are right, if the changes in RTW are any indication of what is to come, I will not be purchasing further products by this company.

[Flatulus Maximus]

Ave Dudes,

You know, there are a few things you can do to spice up the game a bit before you send it to the dusty shelves. If you have or can get the crack, do so and then install Microsoft Netfix to unlock the cheats. Add about 2 million denari into your treasury and set your emmissaries walking the earth giving megadoses of Rome's (or whomever you select to play) love. Think of the possibilities: Gaul with loads and loads of cash, a filthy rich Macedonian or Seleucid empire ect, ect... Lavish enormous sums of cash on your future enemies.

This won't fix the rebels unfortunate tendency to be shot to ribbons and just stand there, or a few of the other common gripes about the gameplay but you may get a suprise here and there. Be patient and I'm sure in no time, one of the reliable modders will have a better version to play with.

In the meantime we have no Woberts, no Weginalds, no Wandys, no Wichards...