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    stands

    yes... more victorys... vercily fought all, congraglations

    I would be most intrested to hear about your opinions on these suggestions
    I full heartedly agree with an attack on Poland... they are the weaker of the two forces gathered agianst us... but if ignored can become destructive... a buffer zone in the Baltice states would be very preferable... and to pursue this goal is backed by me in everyway...

    but in my personal opinion it can be pursed to destruction... it would add thousands of pounds of gold to the treasury... and would allow us to focus on the backstabing Italians...

    sits... says barely adible...
    stupid cursed Poles... scum of the Earth all...

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    Duke of Franconia enters the Diet and adresses Chancellor Sigismund:

    "Mein Chancellor, did you not get my letter again? I have got the latest reports from the front and nothing i suggested have been done. Jonas Von Mahren is still sitting inside Stettin,while i promised Duke Leopold to move him into Prague. Also there is no indication about Gunther Von Kastillien moving into Stettin nor Count Von Hamburg joining my forces. Neither there are no word of the spearmen or archers i asked for that are available in my castles, Hamburg and Stettin. Only forces that are aproaching my army are Teutonic knights that has been dispatched from here. As we can both see Magdeburg is mainly garrisoned by infantry. So is our strategy to fight missile cavalry with spearmen on open fields and take walls of the cities with mounted knights? Other then that i would like to congratulate Prinz Henry for taking back Bologna,which is rightfully ours, your cunning tactics show your great tactical skills once more."

    Dietrich Von Saxony sits down and starts dictating a letter to Duke Leopold of Austria.
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    Chancellor Sigismund der Brav stands up and frowns at Dietrich.

    Duke Dietrich, I have read your letters. My term is not up yet, and no time has passed since I received your letters and the present. Patience must be required, as I cannot do everything at once. Also, I do not think that it is my duty to listen to all that you say, however, I shall do what you humbly request. My position is not an easy on, however, and I must make sure that we do not run out of florins.

    Chancellor Sigismund returns to his seat.

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    Dietrich Von Saxony:

    "Well Mein Chancellor. In that case, i thank you. Altough the troops i asked are already trained,so they shouldnt drain the coffers of the Reich,instead i believe they should be put to work they are payed for."

    Dietrich sits back on his place.
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    Otto von Kassel can be seen poring over newly arrived reports and maps. He stands and addresses the Diet.

    Prinz Henry, you have my deepest gratitude for restoring Bolgona to the Reich and Bavaria. Your timing and use of deception in the battle was excellent. I am envious of your ability to seize settlements with such little loss to your soldiers.

    Duke Leopold has also distinguished himself. His ability to win victory after victory with only militia and mercenaries is a testament to his skills as a general. I know he has been frustrated with the constant assaults on Vienna, but these have served to bleed the Venetians dry. Their army is a shell of its former self.

    Despite some predictions of doom in the Diet, which I was a party to I admit, the situation in Italy is stabilizing thanks to Chancellor Sigismund. Milan is now secure, Bologna is recaptured, and even now my army is readying to besiege Venice itself. We will have our vengeance against those traitorous vipers my lords!

    Yet Italy is not fully stable yet. The Milanese still have a large army near Florence, our troops in Italy outnumber them, but are dispersed. I will not sleep well until we have removed them completely from the mainland.

    With the influx of mercenaries into our forces, the coffers of the Reich are nearly empty. We need to review what we are taking in for taxes from each city, and increase it if we can. Now that the city of Milan, for example, has a proper garrison, the Kaiser rules there no less, I'm sure we can squeeze a few more florins out of them. If they balk, tell them I will return to govern them, that should motivate them.

    Also, the missionary work of Cardinals Peter Scherer and Charles Otterbach has gone remarkably well in Stettin. Perhaps it is time we move them to another area to spread the word of God. Dangerous heresies have grown in the Metz region, perhaps we should send them there. Another possibility is the Thorn region. I'm sure missionary work there among the pagans will bring them even higher in the College of Cardinals. Even now, Cardinal Scherer is one of the preferati.

    I wish Duke Dietrich and his Franconians continued good fortune against Poland. I would recommend that after seizing Magdeburg and possibly Breslau we wage a defensive war. With those two provinces in our possession we would have a defensible border and we would not risk Papal ire. Hildebrand seems to love the Poles more than us.

    My lords.

    Otto sits and continues to review incoming reports.
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    Thank you Prince you are true conquerer and a great man for restoring back our province.
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    5th elector of Swabia
    Well done my fellow generals, good work in removing the foreign scum off our lands and driving them home to their womenfolk.

    I shall propose that each region should have at least their own head priest to oversee matters in an effort to stem the heresy that is spreading and restore order. Cardinal Sherer should be tasked root out the heretics that are more elusive and hopefully earn himself more respect in the college that way for me may need a pope of our own soon.

    I also suggest that we cut the garrisons of the heartland and move them to the fronts where they are needed in numbers large enough to reinforce our striking forces yet small enough to not entice the populace of the Reich to riot when we increase the taxes to fund our multi-front engagements. As long as we advance our fronts, we should not need to worry about too many soldiers feasting our coffers empty in the core of the Reich.

    and with a last glace at the gathered, the 5th elector returns to his seat
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    Fellow Elector, while it is necessary to combat the heresy that is among our lands for fear of church inquistors investigating the piety of our people, our empire does not have enough funds to support a larger clergy. In my earlier talks, I called for an audit of our forces seeing as how we have such a small treasury compared to nations of significantly lower power. Although I do not mean disrespect to the clergy, they are not known for their frugailty regarding the funds of our empire...
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    Sigismund der Brav stands up and addresses the Diet.

    Mein electors, we are constantly short of men everywhere. Italy has finally been restored, but even now it is far from secure. I suggest that we send a general from each Duchy to take the offensive while keeping the other generals at home and on the Reich's frontiers.

    Sigismund resumes his seat.

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    If this was to happen Chancellor Sigismund, I prpose to lead a army for the Duchy of Swabia, as one of the Generals.

    now to more important matters at hand,

    I congratulate all victories, especially the Victorious siege of Bologona, and the Heroic Victory aganst the Polish. These victories are those which save and honour a nation, I thank those gentlemen who won those battles.

    Also, we now have a more firm grip on Italy, with Venice,Milan and the Pope all under control, and Sicily a ally, so Italy seems no threat. For now. The Polish are weak and folish, and very poor. But what if we tackle France, or Denmark. I would sugest Denmark.

    Think of it, why not expand north or west? Denmark is a rich place, poor armies, there land fertile. France is good, a foothold on SPain and England.

    So?

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    I would not underestimate the Polish, Elector von Salva. Their horse archers are most vexing. Despite our victories, our armies in the east are still relatively small. I'm sure the Poles have a surprise or two left in them.

    As for your call of declaring war on Denmark or France, I believe we have enough enemies for now. We have deeply wounded both Milan and Venice, but a wounded animal, when cornered, is at its most dangerous. We should administer the coup de grace to the Lombard League before we consider further expansion.

    Remember, we had Milan nearly beaten until Venice entered the war. I would not like to repeat that with France or the Danes.
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    Well we are to be warned, eventually one of them will attack, it is a fate in evitable.

    And as for in italy, yes sure, when we had cornered Milan, Venice attacked, but now we have them both cornered, who could stop us destroying them now? unless another superpwer comes to italy, we basivlly have half of it to us, the other half to Sicily. Right now it is not a major front.

    yes sure the poles have a few good Horse Archers, but we have plenty of good generals and soldiers!

    If no one wishes to attack France or Denmark, then we should start to attack Polish cities.

    They always attack us, our cities and armies, so why not we go in and take there cities?

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    Prinz Henry: I am declaring the Fifth Diet open for the proposal of edicts and the submission of election manifestoes for candidates for the post of Chancellor. The deadline is typically three days (in this case, 8am Saturday UK time), although I have to confirm this with my father.

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    Fifth elector of Swabia

    I propose following edicts my fellow comrades in arms:

    5.1 We should seek allies in England, Scotland and Russia. This will force our enemies to a two front war if they dare attack us or our ally, especially as we currently do not share borders with these nations. At the same time, the alliances should only be decided if they shall pay us tribute for it, for we are the more superior nation. (aim for barely accepted)

    5.2 We need to move out all superfluous troops out from the heartland and leave just enough there to keep public order. These troops should be used to reinforce our borders and fronts.

    5.3 The elimination of Milan

    5.4 Driving Venice back to at least Ragusa, leaving them with this region and Iraklion at the most

    5.5 Attempt to make the Poles our vassals (without spending more than map info and 5000 florins)

    5.6 Attempt to make Milan our vassals (without spending more than map info and 5000 florins)

    5.7 The training of additional clergy to root out heresy and allow more of our cardinals into the college.

    5.8 Training of at least 2 good assassins to take care of high profile political targets
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    Duke of Franconia stands up and starts reading from a scroll:

    "Mein Kaiser,Prinz,Dukes and fellow Electors. Since the unfortunate War with Poland touches Franconia the most. It is my duty as Duke of Franconia to present you with the following:

    Edict 5.9 Reich will start offensive against Poland by taking Magdeburg and continuing the offensive untill either Poland sues for peace or Papal warning of excommunication is given.

    This edict would allow us to have an flexible strategy that we could chance depending on the situation on the front.
    Another matter i have been thinking would be:

    Edict 5.10 Holy Roman Empire suggests an alliance to Hungary.

    As Hungary is situated between our enemies Poland and Venice.By securing an alliance we should be able to eliminate a possible threat to our flank,while our forces are concentrated against the Polish and Venetians.

    Dietrich Von Saxony takes his place among the Franconians
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    Prinz Henry: Apologies, Electors, I must suspend this session of the Diet. The Chancellor has indicated that there have been surprising developments. We need to wait to learn what they are.

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    5.11 We .... what? suspended? sighs and takes a seat
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    Dietrich Von Saxony:

    "May we hear what these suprising events are? Or should we wait for Chancellor Sigismund to give his report to us?"

    Dietrich takes his seat,wondering what has happened.
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    The 6th Elector of Bavaria:

    Stands up, still deeply engaged in the intelegence report he had in his hand, and scattered across half his desk, he wanted to read that report, dated as it was, all night, anything to keep from speaking, but it was his turn to speak. This was going to be his first time speaking in the Diet, adressing nobility, many he only knew from royal proclemations(sp) announcing the glorious victories they have won for the Riech. He was Nervous, and is showed, 'You know you've done your homework' he told himself, 'You'll be fine.' And with that he started.*

    Honourable Swabian elector, I must say that is an expensive set of edicts you have proposed, and 5.3 and 5.6 are in conflict with each other.

    But there is some merit there, 5.1 for example, England and Russia would both valuable allies but I caution that English relations should take priority over Scottish interests, and forcing payment upon these newfound friends would surely result in failed negotiations (sp).


    Proposed edict 5.2 flies directly in the face of Otto von Kassel's call for an adjustment of our tax policy. Both sides of the arguement posses merit, and perhaps then cities should only be garrisoned with free troops, and castles only with peasents?

    I love the Idea behind edict 5.3, but Venice has no papal protection, Milan does...

    I second 5.4, and I second 5.7. We eill need aditional Clergy as we approach the Orthodox and Hertic lands of the east and north.

    5.5 and 5.6 are preposterous, 5000 Florins? for a bunch of polish and milanese slaves? I think not.

    as for 5.8, well...I'm sure some supprt could be found if Pope Gregory was one of those, how did you put it? "high profile political targets", especially if we had Cardinals in place to realign the politics of the papcy.

    Dietrich Von Saxony, I like the flexibility of 5.9 and the logic of 5.10, I second edict 5.9 and 5.10.

    At this time I will wait to propose edicts till the latest intelegence is in.

    *The young Bavarian elector sits down, looking obviously relieved, he takes a long drink of his ale and waits for a response.*
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    Prinz Henry: Now that we have the Chancellor's final report, I am re-opening the Fifth Diet. Edicts proposed for this session still stand, and I will also count any seconding that has been done so far.

    I await my father's confirmation, but I am proposing we debate for three days (until Saturday 8am) but then extend the voting period to 48 hours to accommodate my father and the ex-Chancellor.

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    Sigismund der Brav stands up and faces the Diet:

    Mein electors, ever since I was born I have wanted to fight the French. They are noble in battle, but their kings are tyrannts. They have supressed the dignity of every Frank and now seek to push Swabians under their yoke. I urge you to send me against them with all haste.

    I propose Edict 5.11:

    Sigismund der Brav is to be sent against the French armies invading Burgundy. After that he shall proceed to conquer France until a Papal warning is given. Sigismund alone shall be sent against the French, as the other generals are needed in Italy and Poland.

    I don't intend to steal glory, but I have the best interests of the Reich at heart.

    At any moment, the Danes could turn against us. In that case, the Franconians would be unable to assist Swabia.

    As for Swabia itself, Prinz Henry could organise the defence while I take the fight to the enemy.

    Sigismund resumes his seat.

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    Dietrich Von Saxony:

    "I thank Count Sigismund for his services to the Reich as the Chancellor and for reporting us about the latest developments. While it seems that the situation in the South is turning more favourable to us. I cant see that the latest report chances anything in the North East,so my suggestions for Edicts 5.9 and 5.10 will stand. So now that Sigismund has officially stepped down, who will run for the Chancellor? I have personally decided that i cant regrettably commit myself for that position and think it will be wiser for me to commit my energy on defeating the Poles."

    Dietrich sits down and waits for the others to address the Diet.
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    Prinz Henry: The Chancellor is to be congratulated on leading us through such... interesting ... times. His term in office will be remembered for driving the Milanese from mainland Europe and suckering the Venetians into excommunicating themselves.

    However, I find myself in some disagreement with his proposed response to the French incursions (OOC: are we at war yet?). I had attempted to discuss this in private amongst fellow Swabians, but it properly concerns all Germans and as the Chancellor has already proposed one response in 5.11, I believe I should also proffer my alternative for consideration.

    I salute Sigismund for his eagerness to come to grips with French - such bravery is what we have come to expect from him. However, I wonder if the Diet would consider an alternative, more elliptical response to the French? Specifically, I propose that we adopt the same maneouvre with them as we followed successfully with Venice at the last mid-term. That is to say, I propose:

    Edict 5.12: In view of the French threat, all Swabian generals are to return to defend the western front against France. The Empire is to adopt a defensive posture in the west in an attempt to lead to the excommunication of France. When France is excommunicated, the posture is to switch to an offensive one - aiming at Rheims and then Paris.

    In the long run, I believe my edict will lead to more progress being made against France than if we simply run at them bull headed. The latter approach will surely lead to a Papal warning after at best one or two French settlements have fallen. By contrast, an initial defensive stance may allow us to conquer with impunity in the future.

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    Dietrich Von Saxony:

    "While i admire the chivalry and bravery,that Count der Stoltze shows with his plan and im sure that he is only thinking of the best of the Reich. I must express that Prinz Henry is more in the same line of thinking as i am. Therefore i will second Edict 5.12."

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    I propose edict 5.13: All Milanese forces remaining in Italy are to be destroyed.

    It is past time we remove this thorn from our side my lords. We must relieve Florence and drive the Milanese back to Corsica and Sardinia. While it would pain me to do it, as my army is at Venice's doorstep, (OOC:On the bridge but not sieging yet), I volunteer to lead my forces south and engage the scum. Prinz Henry's army is closer, but I would understand if he wishes to return to Swabia. The edict does not specify a Commander so the next Chancellor can have some leeway in how to destroy the Milanese.

    I will second edicts 5.3, 5.7, 5.9, 5.10 and 5.12. Milan must be utterly destroyed. This will help us stabilize the Italian front so we can shift some forces to the east or west. We need to take Breslau and Magdeburg so that we can have a defensible border with Poland. Finally, we are not at war with France, yet, but we should take precautions in case the worst happens.

    Pursuing an alliance with England or Scotland is wise, but not both of them. They share one island, they will most likely be at war at some point, and I would not have the Reich forsake one of the alliances to enforce the other. I suggest we seek an alliance with England, they do border France. The Alliance with Russia is also an intiriguing idea.

    As for Venice, I believe they also possess Durazzo on the mainland. We should drive them into the sea, leaving them only Crete. I will support 5.4 if the language is changed to reflect that.
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    Prinz Henry: Nothing would give me greater pleasure, Count Otto, than to destroy the Milanese menacing Florence. But I wonder are they protected by a Papal order that we not attack them? Perhaps the order does not cover engaging them on our land or perhaps it has lapsed?

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    They are excommunicated mein Prinz, there is nothing to hold us back from crushing them!
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    Dietrich Von Saxony:

    "Hear,Hear! Otto Von Kassel speaks the words of wisdom. Now that Pope doesnt protect the Milanese anymore,they should be driven to the Sea. Therefore i second Edict 5.13.
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    I hereby amend edict 5.1 to no longer include Scotland as a potential ally.

    I would add instead that 5.14 If England does not accept an Alliance on reasonable terms that favor us, we ally with Scotland instead, of course only if they are more reasonable than the English.

    I shall also say in my defense, that while edicts 5.5 and 5.6 may seem horridly expensive and senseless in the short term, but over time, vassals will pay large amounts of tribute to us regularly besides being a buffer zone against bordering hostile nations. We can also freely move through these lands without fear for aggression and retreat to reform when necessary without needing to worry about covering the retreat.

    I realize however that the Milanese are on their knees and should be hanged, quartered and burned for betraying us to set an example. I thus withdraw edict 5.5 and second edict 5.13 which well complements my edict 5.3

    Lastly, I wish to thank my fellow electors for seconding some of my motions and will hereby also second edict 5.12
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    Excellent, given the new phrasing, I will second 5.1 and 5.14
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