Out of character thread III

[OverKnight]

Perhaps the Crusade armies should be split into two supporting stacks? This way avatars could rotate between the two so command of battles could be shared among them without having to deal with whoever has the highest command leading all the battles. Also once Henry is Kaiser, he will automatically lead all the battles he's in, and the two stack system will address that as well.

[TinCow]

I don't think there's any need to decide on the stack configuration at the moment. I've considered the two-stack system as well, but it all depends on the circumstances and the number of generals going. There's no reason that the stacks couldn't combine for big battles and split for smaller battles and movement as the need arises. Under the Edict, this kind of thing would be decided by the Crusaders themselves anyway.

[FactionHeir]

The faction leader does not necessarily lead the battles unless he has the highest command. Example would be in TC's post in the reports section when GH assaulted Genoa and the pope was inside.

[OverKnight]

Otto and the Kaiser each had their own army. A Faction Leader always leads the stack he's in regardless of command. The Right of Kings and such.

[econ21]

BTW, I think Princes also trump higher command generals when it comes to leading stacks.

econ21, if the add money Amendment passes, just take the save and do whatever you need to do to it. PM me with the new save version when you're done.

What I am going to try is to run a script that gives the AI money in their turns. So what I will need is a savegame where you have done everything you want to do for that turn and then I can press "end turn". Ideally, it should be a turn where we are not likely to be attacked by the AI.

If the scripting does not work, I will have to do the diplomat/reset move thing.

I would like to point out that lilirishman1986 has not logged on in several days. If he does not participate in the Emergency Session vote, I would like to see his avatar, Gerhard Steffen, assigned to someone else. We have a shortage of them at the moment and they should be given to active players.

I know, it's a concern. But Stuperman has not logged in either and nazgul3 is in self-imposed exile from the Diet for refusing to apologise to the Emperor. I thought Gerhard, with his zero piety, should be an anti-Papist loyal to the Emperor. The current crisis would mean the Emperor needs a strong right hand, with Otto's loyalty being forced at best, so Gerhard's spawning could represent that. If the worst comes to the worst, perhaps we could reserve Gerhard for GHs reincarnation?

[OverKnight]

While the thought of having GH being Otto's minion is appealing (Shoes on the other foot now! ) Stuperman did post to this thread yesterday and has been relatively active. He even proposed edict 1.7.

[econ21]

My bad - I clicked on his name and used the "find more posts" function. That function clearly does not do what I thought it would do - repeating the exercise, it only finds 6 of his posts.

[FactionHeir]

Otto and the Kaiser each had their own army. A Faction Leader always leads the stack he's in regardless of command. The Right of Kings and such.

Actually I didn't mean the HRE stack but the Papal stack. Note in TC's picture that a general is leading the defense, not the pope, who is faction leader.


On an unrelated note, I have gotten around to testing who will be heir in case GH's avatar dies.

*drumroll*

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

GH survived to the age of 63 in my game without the need to reload. Although Hans was of age by then, as GH died, Jobst von Salza was decleared faction heir. Congratulations :p
I'm guessing if GH had died earlier it would have been the same result, so in other words:
The crown stays in Swabia!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Also, without intervention, Portugal, Spain and Denmark are up as popes next. Its important to note that although Otterbach is preferati by the end of turn, at the start of the new turn, another cardinal usually manages to split past her, so we will need to find a way to get her more piety. Maybe by denouncing heretics. Also we should actively be denouncing with any priest to get more cardinals.
To ensure that our cardinal becomes pope, we will need to bribe the Viennese to vote for us at a cost of ~15000 florins and map info btw. Viennese because they got the best cost/benefit ratio as they have 3 cardinals.
Further, we will have 1-2 extra cardinals before TC's term ends which still aren't enough.
The pope-elect if not HRE will besiege Rome every single turn, even after bumping its garrision up by 2 units, so that should allow easy disposal of new popes after election (might as well kill them after election instead of wait for them to siege)

Lastly, when/if Otterbach is elected, we will be reconciled AND have perfect relations with the pope.

[nazgul3]

Econ is right..since he is low in piety he should go to someone who is with the king.....I did apologize to GH in a private message but i dont think he accepted it lol

[GeneralHankerchief]

I did, I've just been busy the past few days.

As far as the Preferati go, we have Portugal, Spain, and Hungary. The Portuguese guy is 59, so I've instructed TinCow to choose him as a holdover until Otterbach.

-edit- Also, I've given Austria enough grief during my reign; I think I'll be reincarnated as one of them. This isn't certain though, but they are facing a shortage of Electors anyway.

-edit again- Gerhard Steffin did get knighted in Genoa, sorry about that.

[FactionHeir]

I'm not quite sure what point 5 on TC's revied E1.1 is really supposed to mean. Does it mean that any edit passed during the Emergency session is in effect if E1.1 is passed? Because that's how I understand it and that would not be good at all.

[TinCow]

I'm not quite sure what point 5 on TC's revied E1.1 is really supposed to mean. Does it mean that any edit passed during the Emergency session is in effect if E1.1 is passed? Because that's how I understand it and that would not be good at all.

First, it's pretty self explanatory... the edicts remain in effect until the Crusade ends in some manner. This is necessary because otherwise the legislation would end after 10 turns and the Crusade could be called back, which would totally defeat the point. Second, why wouldn't that be good? The only two edicts that don't have that language have similar language of their own saying "for the duration of the Crusade."

[FactionHeir]

I wouldn't mind voting for the edict if it said that this particular edict would stay in effect until the crusade ends, but not if it says ALL edicts passed during the emergency session that even remotely related to any crusade would be in effect.

[TinCow]

But... they all DO relate to the Crusade.

[ArchdukeEvan]

ok... so reading back... i have come to some confussion... is this a sanctioned-by-pope crusade?... or us just marching armys down to pilage and plunder?

[econ21]

ok... so reading back... i have come to some confussion... is this a sanctioned-by-pope crusade?... or us just marching armys down to pilage and plunder?

Neither.

In character: it's a crusade to a atone for our actions in attacking the Pope.

Out of character: it's an attempt to make the game more fun and challenging.

[TinCow]

Edict E1.1 is non-sactioned and will begin ASAP. It's just an army marching down to Jerusalem which will then capture the city and give it to the Pope.
Edict E1.4 is a Pope-sactioned Crusade which will begin whenever we can managed to get one called.

If you want no Crusade at all, vote No on both.

[ArchdukeEvan]

well... thats good to know... thank you both...

[StoneCold]

Btw, if the CA to give gold to the AI is pass, will it have an effect on bribing? Such as bribing for votes etc.?

[nazgul3]

Question for econ:

Eventhough that character's piety is low, i will change my stance in exile to support the king. And show support. I think it would be good because then i come back from exile reveal my overly supportive mind for the king. Then in the diet it would raise questions..buzz.

[TinCow]

I've been trying to think of various ways to solve the problem of a lack of avatars. It occurred to me today that perhaps we could try to fix it by accelerating the aging on the underage kids. I've searched all over for a way to do this, but I can't find any information on whether this can be done. However, in the process I did find the following:

To mod the coming of age you need the descr_campaign_db.xml file in the data folder. look for the following line and change the age to what you want.

<age_of_manhood uint="16"/>

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...93&postcount=5

If this actually works, we could drop the age down to about 5, which would prompt many sons and daughters to come of age. As long as we ignored the stated age for IC purposes, it might be worth considering.

[nazgul3]

I see what u mean Tin..but on the battle screen it will say 6 year old general with a ranking higher than the bavarian duke lol. yes? Or in 5 years come of age?

[tripwirescars]

what mods are we currently using in this pbm? i noticed that the infantry units are larger than the normal settings.

[TinCow]

I see what u mean Tin..but on the battle screen it will say 6 year old general with a ranking higher than the bavarian duke lol. yes? Or in 5 years come of age?

I assume that's what it would say, but I haven't tested it. I'm going to keep looking for a way to accelerate (or preferably just alter) aging.

[flyd]

Well, maybe we could drop it a bit, say to 14. Might even be able to explain it IC. It would help out a bit.

[Csargo]

I agree with FLYdude 13-14 would be a better number then say 5 or 6.

[econ21]

what mods are we currently using in this pbm? i noticed that the infantry units are larger than the normal settings.

The first post in this thread gives the settings - large units plus a mod that tried to fix some of the traits & ancillaries.

[FactionHeir]

I came across that line last night when working on further modding too TC. The interesting thing is we can also change how many children each family member can have :)

Btw, currently, if we do not expand, we will NOT get any more adoption offers/MOTH. I found that out by just ending turns and fighting battles in the current save. So yea, we proably want an ealier age or get more settlements.
Hopefully that family tree modification will work retrospectively too

[StoneCold]

Hmm... I tot there was no limit set on the Crusader Council? Meaning they could conquer cities on their way to Jerusalem and use it as a base? So the territories will grow somewhat just not in a compact group as now but string along the path? Am I right?

[FactionHeir]

According to the edicts, those bases must be either orthodox or muslim but not christian. Those of course then need a large garrisson to maintain PO unless we exterminate