Out of character thread III

[FactionHeir]

Doesn't matter which one it was done under as trait/ancillary files work on current sessions only (as long as no new traits/ancillaries were added into the file, which is not the case). All you could have missed was maybe a trait trigger somewhere, but that shouldn't be too bad :p

On a related note, I've also uploaded my fix up to the mizus site.

[OverKnight]

So, I'm assuming GH's unilateral attack against his Holiness is canon? I.E. It actually happened and we can comment in the Diet?

[Ituralde]

Mhm... I can't say I like this, setting a precedence like this that is not covered in the rules anywhere. I would have preferred it, if GH had just told the next Chancellor of his plans. I don't see any conflict with the proposed Edict either to be honest. There is no Edict stating that the Kaiser can't attack and kill Pope Attacus so it would have been up to him anyways.

My first reaction to reading GHs post yesterday was, should I really?
I just don't like the prospect of people tinkering with the game as they like and then making it official. Meh, I'll be gone for today and I can accept what GH did, but I'm not too pleased with the way he did it.

[econ21]

I agree with Ituralde: only the Chancellor can make moves on the campaign map, unless he specifically authorises another player (e.g. to pursue a defeated army). But what GH did was characterful and not against the Edicts etc, so let's play on. The respawning hostile Pope mechanic is a bit weird and it bound to lead to some rather unsatisfactory situations from a role-playing/realism situation until we can make peace.

[FactionHeir]

I think GH roleplayed the situation very well and although it was not the chancellor moving him, his story definitely did explain that it didn't need a chancellor.

[TinCow]

I agree with Ituralde. It works for the storyline and makes sense, but it's a dangerous precedent to let people grab saves and do whatever they want. It would be better to work through the sitting Chancellor to do stuff like this; make OOC arguments if you need to convince them. I don't have a problem with letting the situation stand, but let's NOT do this again.

[FactionHeir]

I agree that not anyone should grab and play the save and have others continue from there, but the emperor is kind of special in that respect, according to the rules even (or so GH at least mentioned in his battle report or story)

[Northnovas]

I agree it worked IC and we can move on. If it was something in disagreement with everyone there is always the last save.
During the last Diet in the quietness you try to think of "loopholes" but you can't regulate everything. It's just a game with a lot of colourful characters and the way why it works because of the in character storylines that are developing with the game. There is more then a game being played.
This group appears very good adapting and adjusting to the game development.

[TinCow]

I agree, but if it's really a move or plotline you want to develop, contact the Chancellor OOC and explain it. If it makes sense, I doubt you'll be refused. Remember that I actively helped GH and OverKnight pull off their attack on the Papal States even though Mandorf was probably more opposed to it than anyone else. All of us can differentiate between our characters and the game. If you want to do stuff like this, work through the Chancellor to get it done.

[Ituralde]

I did not mention it in my first post, as I hadn't read all of GHs posts at that time, but I think the storyline GH developed around this thing is really good and he has pulled it of in a most satisfactory way, I really want to congratulate him on that.
I agree with TinCow that we should take this as a one-time incident and not make a rule out of it. Like him I believe that nearly all things can and should be done through the Chancellor.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Normally, I wouldn't do it, but there were a few reasons that allowed me to do so otherwise:

1. The Kaiser was located at the capital, so it's not like he magically transported from the Diet to his current location.

2. As econ mentioned, the Pope mechanic is somewhat wacky.

3. It's the Kaiser (this is both his IC personality and his OOC powers).

[StoneCold]

Btw, you guys have a diplomat running around Rome to talk peace immediately to the next Pope? Else he will immediately declare war again the next term... hahaa

[TinCow]

Yes, actually we do. I moved him down there intentionally over the last few turns so we could deal with any Papal diplomacy that was needed.

[econ21]

20 pages and a new Chancellor - time for a new thread.