Out of character thread IV

[econ21]

Swabia is so uninfluential overall

Totals:
Empire: 5
Swabia: 10 (didn't count tws as he hasn't been active)

I noticed that. Why not suggest to Ignoramus that he make xdeathfire Count of Metz? He's been a long stayer so it's appropriate. It's only a +1, I know but still. (He should get an avatar pretty soon.)

[TinCow]

Edict E1.1 is the crusade, so this is ineffect for a long time really, unless it's expiration is mandatory, then we could re-write it, focus on making easily defendable boarders. or if all it takes to amend this is an edict then:

Edcit 7.X Edict E1.7 shall be re-written to read "... This Edict does not apply to Marseille, Ragusa, (OOC:anything else you want to add, Krakow? Ajaccio or/and Caligari?) and Breslau, nor does it apply..."

I think that should work perfectly fine.

[Stuperman]

ok, I'm working on something, hopefully we'll have some legislation in a few hours.

Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Ituralde, OverKnight, econ21, check your PM's

[Ignoramus]

We could always form a new Duchy. I know this would be unpopular, but it would represent the "fragmentation" of the Holy Roman Empire.

Saxony would be a plausable candidate.

[OverKnight]

Welcome to the race, Ignoramus!

Uncontested elections are boring. . .

Of course, now I get to go "negative"

Edit: Or others, quicker on the draw, will do it.

[Ignoramus]

I know, in Sigismund's election it turned out that I made a big speech and secret agreements all for nothing.

[Stuperman]

Originally I was opposed to the polish-french campaigns, but at most we would take 10 new territories, which would still keep us at 31, well beow the 45 victory threshold. but I have some IC objections :p

Edit: Ignoramus, check your PM's!

[OverKnight]

While I'm thinking of it. . .Ignoramus I don't think you should be Chancellor if you haven't finished some of the battle reports from your previous administration.

I hate to crack the whip but we've still got some battle reports due. I'm not looking for War and Peace, just a description to fill out the chronology.

I'm not sure where Placeholder is on the map, but it's heavily contested territory.

[Ignoramus]

I only "forgot two battle reports".

The first one was very minor(although the Milanese Duke was killed), but my screenshots got deleted.

The second one had no fighting(due to my amry being inaccessable0.

I am writing up the Battle of Metz, so don't worry.(I forgot to put a placeholder in, though.

[Warluster]

Did you receive my PM Ignoramus about the after battle words thing?

[Ignoramus]

Yes, I'll work on the story.

[Warluster]

When your done can you PM it to me so i can add my bit to it?

[econ21]

Could whoever becomes next Chancellor keep a record of the battles, similar to what we did in Wots and what I'm doing in my English AAR?

What we need are the HRE general's name, enemy faction, date and place, army sizes and the losses (casualties + captured), plus outcome (e.g. heroic victory). It might be fun to record the type of battle (e.g. attacker in field battle) as I'm doing in the English AAR.

Generals should be able to provide this information to the Chancellor if they take a screenshot of the post-battle results information.

[Ituralde]

Regarding the Jihad. I'm sorry but it has completely slipped my mind.
I believe its goal was even Constantinople itself. It was called out some time ago, where I was busy planning the defense of the Empire on multiple fronts.

[TinCow]

It would be good if the Dukes could maintain the first post in their Duchy threads with an up to date list of their members and their titles.

Done.

[AussieGiant]

Back to the excom thing.

I think it is proving extremely useful to see just how hard it is to get back into the good books.

Hopefully when we finally get back into the good side fo the force :) we can remember how hard it was to resolve this and make sure we don't do it again.

I'm flat out at work in China so I don't really have time to draft edicts.

Two for me would be a merchant based edict and a priest based edict.

I have outlined the merchant and priest versions in the Austrian chamber thread.

Althought "OK" has pointed out that merchant management is under the control of the Chancellor and does not require an edict.

[econ21]

I looked at the finance graph and it seems that all the factions absorbed the 100k we gave them at the last Diet without a problem except Spain, Russia and Denmark. So I've added another 100k to those factions that were able to spend the money. I've left Russia and Denmark alone, as they are relative backwaters and may not have the means to spend the money. I gave Spain 50k as I was a afraid if I did not, she might get steamrollered by her neighbours.

The file is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1180-1.zip

Unfortunately, I am using the unofficial 1.2 patch. I don't think that will cause problems but if the next Chancellor is worried about that, they can always play on from Ituralde's save and make the additions themselves using the console command as explained in the FAQ in the first post of this thread.

EDIT: Any governors who have not done so should post their build queues in the Chancellor and Governors Reports thread, otherwise the Chancellor will use his discretion.

[TinCow]

On a related matter, I noticed that Sinan had very positive things to say about giving the AI boatloads of money to increase the difficulty. I don't think we need to go quite as overboard as he did, but I'm happy we're doing this.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...6&postcount=28

[FactionHeir]

I think I started a mini guide on how to improve difficulty at the citadel and giving the AI money was part of it :) My own campaigns are quite a bit more fun now although the AI is still weak.

[TevashSzat]

It looks like to me that Edicts 7.2 and 7.3 are going to be close and both might pass. From my interpretation, 7.2 means that violence is allowed while 7.3 says that violence is not. Should both be passed, won't they contradict themselves and if so, which Edict will become the followed one?

[FactionHeir]

The one with better ratio

[OverKnight]

I can't seem to load 1180-1 (econ21's money added save) with my copy of the game. I have not installed the leaked patch though. Of course, I really don't want to install the leaked patch as I downloaded the game from direct2drive and don't want to monkey around with it too much.

This might pose problems if the PBM starts being played on 1.1 and 1.2* versions of the game.

Can anyone else confirm save difficulties?

[TinCow]

It looks like to me that Edicts 7.2 and 7.3 are going to be close and both might pass. From my interpretation, 7.2 means that violence is allowed while 7.3 says that violence is not. Should both be passed, won't they contradict themselves and if so, which Edict will become the followed one?

I don't see a conflict between them. What in 7.3 says that violence is not allowed?

[econ21]

I can't seem to load 1180-1 (econ21's money added save) with my copy of the game.

OK, let's forget about that save. Do you think you can add the money yourself? It is very simple - open the consol, type "add_money 100000, hungary" etc. (You can get your previous command back using the upward cursor, so all you have to do is change the faction names.) The list of proper faction names is in a spoiler in the FAQ. Exclude russia and denmark, and only give spain 50k not 100k. It only takes about a minute or less.

This might pose problems if the PBM starts being played on 1.1 and 1.2* versions of the game.

I agree. We should only play 1.1. I think I am the only criminal with the 1.2* version and I will reinstall 1.1 if I get into any battles.

[OverKnight]

Yup, I went ahead and added the money as you layed out. It worked, as the financial ratings for all of them shot up. I wonder what city the French will buy this time?

Should I upload the save?

[TinCow]

I agree. We should only play 1.1. I think I am the only criminal with the 1.2* version and I will reinstall 1.1 if I get into any battles.

I have both installed, 1.1 for KOTR and 1.2 because I couldn't resist the improvements any longer.

[econ21]

Should I upload the save?

Well, given the current election results, it will probably not be necessary but you could do so for completeness.

[AussieGiant]

You guy's

You just can't help yourselves can you.

downloading a leaked patch from your favourite games developer...how could you??!!

So I guess this mean OK is in the Big House hey?!

[OverKnight]

Maybe, I just hope the Diet doesn't use Diebold voting machines. Still only eleven people have voted so. . .

I'll upload the save. Leopold is currently next to some Hungarians in the Zagreb region. I'm thinking that will be the first battle of 1180. Since I'll be in bed when the election is over, once the polls are closed and if Otto wins, I invite Ituralde to download the save and get at it.

Starting off with battles, we can worry about how the edicts pan out later.

Edit: This will also give people a bit more time to get their queues in.

[econ21]

downloading a leaked patch from your favourite games developer...how could you??!!

Like TC, I found the improvements just too good to hold off on. I'm not even sure it was technically leaked - rather it was distributed officially, but not all the distribution channels were stopped in time when Sega/CA tried to pull it. They are not coming down heavy on those who have downloaded the patch - they have even been asking for feedback!

We're wise enough to know that this file is being distributed and how futile it would be to try and stop it. Canute couldn't stop the sea and we can't stop the internet, so we're not silly enough to think that we can stop it's spread.

So, well done to those who found it but please recognise that we think there are problems and we cannot support it.

If you feel inclined to grab this file, it's up to you and if you have feedback we'd be silly not to listen - but keep in mind that we think it's flawed so make your own decision.