Out of character thread IV

[FactionHeir]

I think you going off on a rampage could work. You are the Prince and as heir to the throne you are pretty much immune too. Just don't die fighting is all :)

Interesting thought Ignoramus on rebellion. Not sure whether it is really good to do it though. Actually on the other hand, what would we do if the game decides one of our avatars is to go rebel in the literaly sense? Had that happen once in my SP campaign with a 4 loyalty family member.

[econ21]

I couldn't see any standing orders for the Household Armies in the Chancellor and Governors Reports thread. Dukes, that means you are giving the Chancellor carte blanche to do what he wants with your men! Maybe it is not so important with the Reich assuming a defensive posture or maybe you are relying on Chancellor to be very solicitous of your views, but it seems a little remiss.

[AussieGiant]

Ituralde!!

Give Otto a few standing orders for the AHA my friend!!

We can't have the AHA standing around like a road work crew, scratching their asses and digging holes in the ground all day.

[TinCow]

Yep, the Franconians, Swabians, and Austrians can benefit from giving orders for their armies. All 3 have territories nearby that they can take in accordance with the recent legislation. Ulrich Hümmel is complaining about the French on Swabian soil when he could get rid of them himself by taking the SHA into the field. He could even attack Marseilles as 'retribution' if he wanted to.

Remember, the Household Armies were created so that the Houses could take care of themselves. If you don't give orders for them, you have no grounds for complaint about your own borders and defense!

[AussieGiant]

I thought we were limited in taking further provinces TC?

Is that not the case?

[StoneCold]

But as TC says, the recent edict passed allows for the taking of a few province and those only, unless some new neighbour decided to declare war with HRE, eg. the Danes or the Sicilians.

About joining the PBE as a backbencher, I will have to decline for the moment. Thanks for the offer, but my thesis and defense is due soon, and I am swamp at the moment, only enough time to pop in to read some stories, battle reports. Not enough to scheme... :P

Keep the stories flowing. :)

[OverKnight]

Let me qoute the HA rules:

4) At the beginning of each Diet session the Duke may assign general orders to the Household Army, which are to be carried out by the Chancellor. Between Diet sessions, any additional orders submitted by Dukes are to be implemented only at the Chancellor's discretion. The Duke may select one of the following Orders: (1) attack any rebel force in House territory, (2) attack any hostile force in House territory, including other factions, (3) attack any foreign or rebel army in House territory, including neutral (but not allied or crusading) factions, (4) temporary assignment to another House, (5) assignment to offensive duties. If Order (4) is chosen, the Duke may determine the time limit of the temporary assignment and the commanding general, but all other decisions are made by the Duke of the receiving house. When the time limit expires, the Household Army must be immediately returned to House lands, no matter what other circumstances occur, unless the Duke agrees otherwise. If Order (5) is chosen, the Duke may specify an enemy settlement or army as the objective and the commanding general. The settlement or army must be in a province that borders the House and the Reich must already be at war with the target. All other decisions are made by the Chancellor. The Duke may recall the Household Army from offensive duties at any time and for any reason.

Any HA orders I recieve I will do my best to implement, but as my term has already begun, I reserve the right not to follow them.

Swabia is probably the only house that is unsatisfied with the moves so far, and if they wish to issue orders I'll do the best I can with them. The SwHA is a bit battered at the moment though, but will be recieving some reinforcements from Staufen in 1182.

Swabia might also want to consider that the French may make another bribe attempt, and these are better resisted when an avatar is present.

Just my two cents, though I should be asleep.

[FactionHeir]

Except if the avatar gets bribed away with em :p

At the moment, Ragusa, Marseille, Breslau and ANY English province are up for grabs. Swabia can go for both France and England really. Sea Invasion to Nottingham anyone?

[FactionHeir]

Since I'm currently still working on the files:

Need someone to answer my question from before:
What happens if the AI manages to bribe away one of our avatars or one of avatars decides to go rebel without us wanting to?

Or: Do you want me to add in a trigger so that HRE family members always have 10 loyalty to prevent that from happening? (That would probably remove the influence gained from loyalty points for diet votes)

[econ21]

Need someone to answer my question from before:
What happens if the AI manages to bribe away one of our avatars or one of avatars decides to go rebel without us wanting to?

My instinct is that we should ride with the punches, but the Chancellor should factor that in when moving generals just as you would under SP. It's probably wise not to put a very low loyalty general near an enemy diplomat - especially just after a Diet session when each AI faction has 100k to spend. And it might be a good idea to give low loyalty generals some battles so they feel more appreciated and have more loyalty. FLYdude and perhaps the Swabians seem the most vulnerable potentially.

[FactionHeir]

My instinct is that we should ride with the punches, but the Chancellor should factor that in when moving generals just as you would under SP. It's probably wise not to put a very low loyalty general near an enemy diplomat - especially just after a Diet session when each AI faction has 100k to spend. And it might be a good idea to give low loyalty generals some battles so they feel more appreciated and have more loyalty. FLYdude and perhaps the Swabians seem the most vulnerable potentially.

OK left it out.


New version of KOTRfix available. KOTRfix goes 1.21 :)

Link: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix121.rar


As usual I was too lazy to make a detailed list of changes, but in general, I added triggers for a few traits that still were lacking triggers (or didn't have a lot) and changed the percentage chances for some others. Also reduced the amount of GrowingConvictions priest-turned-heretics get and instead have added triggers for heretics and witches that if they suffer a denouncement attempt and were not decounced, they get a decent chance of obtaining said trait. So in general you will see a lot less piety 6-10 heretics running around and mostly piety 3-5.
Lastly, there is now a consequence for standing next to heretics (a very small one, so don't camp next to em for too long)
If someone is really bored, they can use a comparison program and run a comparison between the default 1.2 character trait file and mine. Probably will take hours :)

Btw, you can get rid of the ancillary_enums file. Realized I didn't change anything there and there is no change from it between 1.1 and 1.2. As such, the file is not included in this version either.

[AussieGiant]

Let me qoute the HA rules:

4) At the beginning of each Diet session the Duke may assign general orders to the Household Army, which are to be carried out by the Chancellor. Between Diet sessions, any additional orders submitted by Dukes are to be implemented only at the Chancellor's discretion. The Duke may select one of the following Orders: (1) attack any rebel force in House territory, (2) attack any hostile force in House territory, including other factions, (3) attack any foreign or rebel army in House territory, including neutral (but not allied or crusading) factions, (4) temporary assignment to another House, (5) assignment to offensive duties. If Order (4) is chosen, the Duke may determine the time limit of the temporary assignment and the commanding general, but all other decisions are made by the Duke of the receiving house. When the time limit expires, the Household Army must be immediately returned to House lands, no matter what other circumstances occur, unless the Duke agrees otherwise. If Order (5) is chosen, the Duke may specify an enemy settlement or army as the objective and the commanding general. The settlement or army must be in a province that borders the House and the Reich must already be at war with the target. All other decisions are made by the Chancellor. The Duke may recall the Household Army from offensive duties at any time and for any reason.

Any HA orders I recieve I will do my best to implement, but as my term has already begun, I reserve the right not to follow them.

Swabia is probably the only house that is unsatisfied with the moves so far, and if they wish to issue orders I'll do the best I can with them. The SwHA is a bit battered at the moment though, but will be recieving some reinforcements from Staufen in 1182.

Swabia might also want to consider that the French may make another bribe attempt, and these are better resisted when an avatar is present.

Just my two cents, though I should be asleep.

Reserving the right not to follow Ducal orders because there has been a delay in issuing their own orders seems a bit harsh "OK". As a technicality your correct but....you know what I mean??

[OverKnight]

Just because I reserve the right, doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

The only orders for the HAs I have so far are Leopold's and I will follow those.

[AussieGiant]

Fair enough OK.

Although now Ignoramus has clandestinely given you instruction.

[OverKnight]

Ignoramus, if you've got movement orders send them again.

AG and Warluster, please take your discussion out of the Chancellor report section and move it to the Diet or PMs.

[Warluster]

Just a quick reply, wasn't gonna continue too much more.

[AussieGiant]

Ignoramus, if you've got movement orders send them again.

AG and Warluster, please take your discussion out of the Chancellor report section and move it to the Diet or PMs.

Will do.

[Kagemusha]

Where has Duchy of Franconia thread disappeared?

[AussieGiant]

Where has Duchy of Franconia thread disappeared?

I'm putting it down to Polish Pigs...

...other than that explanation I have no idea.

[Dutch_guy]

I'm putting it down to Polish Pigs...

...other than that explanation I have no idea.

I believe the activity level of the throne room made it drop to the second page.

No worries though, it's back up again

[AussieGiant]

I believe the activity level of the throne room made it drop to the second page.

No worries though, it's back up again

Good job Dutch guy!!

[OverKnight]

We've got two battles waiting.

FLYdude has chased down a small Polish force south of Stettin.

Dutch_guy is facing a larger battle versus three Polish armies, though only two can support each other.

Here's the save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1182.zip

Ideally, whoever is online first will get the save, notify us that he got it, fight, upload new save and then PM the second person with a link to it.

I'm sending out a PM to both.

Good Luck.

Edit: My latest reports for 1182

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...0&postcount=98
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=103

[AussieGiant]

Nice write up "OK"

You certainly have a talent pulling all those threads together.

Between you, TC and GH ww really have a talented bunch of writers.

[OverKnight]

Thanks AG.

I'm not sure if you've seen the Godfather, but I had the ending montage in mind when I wrote the story. I'd thought I give people something to think about while waiting for the battles.

Of course I'm completely boned if this doesn't work.

[AussieGiant]

You make me laugh!! You've blown a bit of cash there fella so I hope it works...and boned you might be if it does not pan out.

Is there any "in game" reference to this working or are you just using common sense that if we are allies to the country that wins the next papal election then we have a good chance?

I've seen the Godfather a few times, so I see where your coming from.

[OverKnight]

I'm not going to say where I got the idea from, I want to leave it out there unresolved until we have an answer in game. I wouldn't want to spoil it for anyone.

I would also appreciate if others keep their OOC spoilers to themselves. I really do want to build tension, to have it be an unknown.

Will it work? There's a long list of things that could go wrong. I'll leave it at that.

Sorry.

[AussieGiant]

I understand completely. I had to ask because I am already very curious

I certainly will never OOC spoil something IC.

I also guess the boy's are on "24 Hour" clock to complete their battles or they will be auto resolved?

[OverKnight]

They're on the clock, but it's 48 hours. I hope by setting up two battles at once, it'll speed things up a bit. We'll see.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hahahahahahaha @ last story

You have been taught well, my son.

[FactionHeir]

Just wondering if those fighting battles (and the chancellor) have updated to the new version yet?