KotR Out of Character Thread V

[OverKnight]

I'm not too familiar with the desertion mechanic. The forces were garrisoned in Adana. I'm a bit peeved that the regular mercs we hired deserted, you'd think they'd want to get paid.

I have recruited a DisKnight, a Serg Spearman, and Fuedal Knight for next turn. I might have Max step outside Adana and see what's available for mercs.

[TinCow]

I don't think hiring mercs is necessary. Jerusalem will be taken this turn, so no more desertion will happen. Adana is more than capable of supplying its own garrison.

[OverKnight]

Adana is more than capable of supplying its own garrison.

Long term yes, short term. . .maybe. The manpower pool has to recharge a bit, I emptied it out again recruiting those men, unless you're a fan of peasants (ok for garrison, but I wouldn't put them in the field.)

Also there's a full stack Egyptian force off to the NE, not to mention random Turk forces. . .Things could get interesting.

[FactionHeir]

As I warned before, the garrisoned crusade troops would desert.
This is because some code CA planned was not implemented which would prevent garrisoned troops from deserting.

Well, we'll live. Will make our mission tougher too which is good.

[Stuperman]

This is because some code CA planned was not implemented which would prevent garrisoned troops from deserting.

off topic:

Sounds like the story of m2tw, do they plan on implementing it do you know?

on topic:

the teutons and spearmen really hurt, pilgrims are just like peasents, and it's the fanatics are like peasents with a good attack, correct?

[OverKnight]

That's about the size of it. Religious fanatics are good shock troops, high attack, but they won't last long in a fight.

As for desertion, meh, we've had a good Crusade, so I'm not going to complain (too much).

[OverKnight]

Still no joy on a direct2drive patch. . .I'm thinking that if one does not appear by the end of my term, the rest of the PBM should upgrade for the start of econ's term and I'll make do.

If thing's get too bad, I'll just go out and get a hard copy of the game. A waste of 50 bucks, but it'll solve the problem.

[AussieGiant]

We certainly can't prepare for the Mongol's.

IC we have no way of knowing what is really going to hit us until after the fact.

OOC I think limiting expansion in Europe and dealing with the Middle East invasions is going to provide the best game play. I appreciate Stuperman's point though. If your back in Europe it could be a bit dull.

I guess we are just going to have to find a middle ground through IC developments such as what Econ described for rotations.

I hope there is going to be substantial death rates when facing the Mongols. Some real "backs against the walls" stuff would be great.

[AussieGiant]

Still no joy on a direct2drive patch. . .I'm thinking that if one does not appear by the end of my term, the rest of the PBM should upgrade for the start of econ's term and I'll make do.

If thing's get too bad, I'll just go out and get a hard copy of the game. A waste of 50 bucks, but it'll solve the problem.

We should do a whip round...and rustle up the cash to help

[TinCow]

I see nothing wrong with limited expansion in Europe, as was legislated previously. Despite limiting conquests during the Crusade, we still took Venice, Budapest, Ragusa, Breslau, and Marsaille, as well as re-taking Metz. Not exactly shabby on European expansion.

[AussieGiant]

I see nothing wrong with limited expansion in Europe, as was legislated previously. Despite limiting conquests during the Crusade, we still took Venice, Budapest, Ragusa, Breslau, and Marsaille, as well as re-taking Metz. Not exactly shabby on European expansion.

And that's with "limiting" expansion. Can you imagine what would happen without it?

Still, as long as the excommunication mechanism is in place and we choose to remain "one of the flock" I assume it will be fairly self regulating.

[econ21]

Overknight, you might want to reschedule Ulrich's battle if at all possible. Ignoramus does not usually log on over the weekend, so at best we will have a 2 day hiatus and at worst, an autoresolve if the deadline expires.

[Kagemusha]

I think that if there should be limited expansion in Europe,that should apply to Middle East also.Europe shouldnt be a sideshow as many players concentrate on middle east.

[TinCow]

I agree.

[Ituralde]

I for one have a diametrically differen view. Those who want to fight should go to the Levant, and if that means that nearly everybody will go there, well it has just become quite interesting for the sole remaining defenders of the Reich.
But we'll see how the next Diet turns out.

I'm surprised that I am the first one though commenting on the capture of Jerusalem. It has been a little quiet there of late. I am already looking forward to the Mongol Invasion, will put Leopolds speech in a whole new light. Who could stop us indeed...

[OverKnight]

Overknight, you might want to reschedule Ulrich's battle if at all possible. Ignoramus does not usually log on over the weekend, so at best we will have a 2 day hiatus and at worst, an autoresolve if the deadline expires.

Yeah, I thought about that after I sent him the battle. Still, there's not much left to do in 1198, other than that. As it is already early Sunday there, I'm sure he'll have an oppurtunity to get to it.

Besides, this gives me more time to work on my farewell speech. . .

[OverKnight]

Well, I sent an inquiry to direct2drives support site asking about when the 1.2 patch will be available, here's what I got in reply:

Some Direct2Drive games are not patchable with patches made for cdroms. They are pre-patched when you download them. Unlike cdroms that come as the first version ever, our downloads are pre-patched saving you the hassle. If you are experiencing a problem with your game, a patch is not the answer. Please do not seek patches on other sites. Any patches made after your purchase will be available on Direct2Drive's website.

http://www.direct2drive.com/patches/index.aspx

Please check the game info page on Direct2Drive.com to see your download's version.

If a patch has been released, we will work expeditously to have it for you on Direct2Drive.

"Expeditiously" my ass.

As I suggested before, I think that the PBM should upgrade to 1.2 once the save goes to econ for his Chancellorship. I wouldn't want the other players to wait for a vague promise. I'll catch up when I can, if Otto gets involved in a battle, I'll buy a hardcopy. Though one of the reasons I left him in Acre was to avoid him doing so for the next few turns. Hopefully between that and the Diet session, I'll actually get a patch. Without a solid release date, however, I'm still playing it by ear.

[econ21]

Thanks OK - I agree that we should upgrade to 1.2 at the start of the next Diet.

Factionheir: do you have 1.2 working on your machine yet?

[OverKnight]

I have a question, we want Meckil, Leopold's daughter, to get married to provide a second Austrian avatar. What's the best way to ensure this happens? I would think refusing adoptions and marriages to other women in the family tree would increase the odds, but the family game mechanics still confound me.

Any thoughts?

[StoneCold]

Maybe you guys need to go on a small conquering spree with all the young avatars coming of age, the game might just decide that you have enough avatar as of the moment so no spawning a marriage?

[Ituralde]

I was afraid this could happen. Seems like Austria will be a one-man show for some more time.

[OverKnight]

Maybe. . .Meckil is of age, we just have to get her hitched. Another option is to use some of the surplus Avatars we currently have as loaners. . .not an ideal solution but a good stop gap. The avatarless Austrian electors could use them for battles and such, and they could even be moved to the Austrian front. Then they could move on to proper Austrian avatars when they become available.

I know there has been some resistance to this, but it's a decent way to get the Austrians besides Leopold involved in battles.

Marriage offers seem to be rare, or at least in this situation, my entire Chancellorship I don't think I've had any.

[Ituralde]

Well truth to be told, if there don't appear more Austrian character soon I'm gonna repropose some earlier thinking and try to get some other avatars to join the House. I had von Mahren's children in mind, considering that their father as at least once ruled over Prague, a Austrian settlement.

For now, I'm gonna sit tight though, but some fellow Austrian avatars would be nice.

[FactionHeir]

econ:

Yes, I ended up getting it to work on my old machine. Finally got my new one today though and got that running too. No more camp map lag or siege lags even under high settings, night battle, rain and half the city burning


As for the family tree, the game tends to favor adoptions from left to right, so its likely most adoptions will end up under Hans or Henry's second son. Marriages will still happen relatively frequently as we have a female non princess in the tree as opposed to a bachelor general.

[econ21]

Good news about you and 1.2, factionheir. What should we do about the traits under 1.2? Are you going to have files we should use or do we stick with the vanilla game? We probably will be switching to 1.2 around next weekend, given how things look now.

On the Austrian avatars, when Chancellor, I will refuse adoptions and marriages except for Austrians. I would like us to take a few more settlements in Outremer other than just Adana and Acre, so maybe that will help as well.

[FactionHeir]

I got version 1.23 for 1.02 already done and waiting for when you take over as chancellor. There have been no changes in the game files between 1.02 leaked and 1.02 official accroding to my compare program so most things will stay the same as they have been.

[Stig]

How to Join the Game

In order to join the game and get started, all you need to do is post in the current OOC thread that you would like to join and select one of the four Ducal Houses. You can then start participating in as much or as little detail as you wish. You will always be able to find the location of the relevant game threads in the second post of the Imperial Library.

mmmm I'd love to join this PBM, but I have no clue what to do. I've read through the threads, but I think it's better you guys tell me what to do.

[Dutch_guy]

Well, assuming you've got the game and are willing to play, you should join a house. Either, Franconia, Swabia, Austria or Bavaria. After having decided which house to join, an avatar will be assigned to you once there's one available. Then the Diet and inter house discussions will start in the earnest - if you even want to participate in them that is.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What was it? "Write an essay on the investiture controversy"? :p

Heh, just saw this. It was on materialism.

Welcome, Stig!

Generally, Houses represent a geographic direction of the Empire. Franconia is north, Bavaria south, Swabia west, and Austria east. You should quickly get an avatar in any house you join aside from Austria.

[TinCow]

Swabia and Franconia currently have unassigned avatars available, so they might be good choices. Personally, I would recommend Franconia, as they only have 3 active players at the moment. Plus, the Swabians have some recent 'baggage' that they haven't quite shaken off yet. The currently unassigned avatars are:

Ansehelm von Kastilien (Franconia)
Helmut von Hamburg (Fanconia)
Elberhard (Swabia)