KotR Out of character thread VI

[FactionHeir]

Great, exactly 48 hours, not a minute late :p

As for your post in the C&G reports, the build queues are late, but I did receive your previous build orders in time, which were "build what you like".
SHA legal orders have already been fulfilled and they will now be garrisoning Paris and defending the Swabian border. OOC rules prevent further invasion using the HA without edict.

[TevashSzat]

Battle report is up. The pics are a bit wierd though just to let you know. Couldn't resive the thing in paint so there is some white background on there.

So I can't invade more of France??? Thats a shame really seeing as how Caen and the city southwest of it are lightly defended and I can probably take bruges, caen, and that city before this term ends.

[gibsonsg91921]

just a warning - i dont have winRAR so if theres a battle involving Ehrhart von Mahren after he is knighted then itll have to be uploaded as a zip file.

ps i cant get winRAR either cuz i play on my moms work computer and she's never thrilled about downloading free software

[FactionHeir]

GAH wrong topic. delete this post.

[AussieGiant]

Well hell that is interesting.

Ragusa is full of enough troops to relieve Zagreb but none of the avatars are knighted to lead the attack. Doing an auto resolve would be too dangerous for 4 avatars I guess.

If the Budapest garrison is being besieged by the small two unit Hungarian army then auto resolve a sally if the attacking units are not too good.

The AHA details are for Jonas to decide.

[FactionHeir]

I don't want to risk losing Budapest to the Hungarians by trying to sally. If those are knight units, autoresolve would result in defeat.

I'm hoping the presence of the BHA will drive the Hungarians off from Zagreb, but we'll see. If necessary, I might send Lothar in for an autoresolve (either as attacker or standing next to Zagreb for defense) if Jonas cannot make it up quickly enough.

Currently, there are two battles to fight. Jonas von Mahren vs Venetian stack blocking his way (unless he wants to take a long route which might end up getting blocked anyway) and Günther von Kastilien against the Russians inside Thorn.
Save at: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1222.rar

Rules are: First come first serve, if you take the save to play the battle, post here. If you do not upload a save of the battle within 3 hours of your posting, its up for grabs again. Also, if both battles are not fought within 50 hours from now, I will autoresolve the remainder.

Any comments on my unstructured preliminary report for 1222 so far?

[Stig]

mmmm I see Jonas von Mahren placed under the Austrian house, even tho Kage said he himself would stay a Franconian and that only his children would become Austrians.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...8&postcount=77

[AussieGiant]

Good spot Stig.

That means as soon as Kag, knights me I will take over the AHA.

Now, how we do that is a problem. The Venetian's are blocking.

Maybe we can join en mass as reinforcements from the other side of the battle.

Kag are you there fella?

[StoneCold]

Stig, in the post and storyline, it was said that the AHA will be under Jonas until an Austrian can lead it, so nothing wrong with that. I agreed with AG, the troops and units from Ragusa can come in as reinforcement. Even if we follow the constitution of army should be lead by knights, we can just send in all the avatars bodyguard units. That way all could be knighted in one go.

[AussieGiant]

Stig, in the post and storyline, it was said that the AHA will be under Jonas until an Austrian can lead it, so nothing wrong with that. I agreed with AG, the troops and units from Ragusa can come in as reinforcement. Even if we follow the constitution of army should be lead by knights, we can just send in all the avatars bodyguard units. That way all could be knighted in one go.

That's a 10-4 rubber ducky!!

[gibsonsg91921]

hey OK nothing personal about arguing with u i just like to raise a ruckus.

[StoneCold]

The following is a list of the avatars and their location and status. Are those few unassigned avatars knighted yet? Also can everyone check if their locations are correct if it is not too much trouble. I do not have the game, so this is the only way I can keep track of pple. Thanks

Imperial House

Kaiser - Henry(k) - Econ
location - South of Damascus - Imperial army (IA)
Other titles - Ex-Chancellor, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...66&postcount=6

Prinz - Jobst von Salza(k) - warluster
location - North of Staufen - IEA
Other titles - Count of Dijon, Elector of Swabia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=15

House of Swabia

Duke - Friedrich Scherer(k) - xdeathfire
location - West of Paris - SHA
Other titles - Elector of Swabia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...8&postcount=28

Count - Ulrich Hümmel(k) - Ignoramus
location - Adana - garrison
Other titles - Count of Metz, Elector of Swabia, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...0&postcount=17

Count - Hans(k) - Factionheir
location - Near Constantinople - army?
Other titles - Count of Bern, Elector of Swabia, Crusader, Chancellor
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...2&postcount=18

Count - Elberhard(k) - Pharnakes
location - Aleppo - garrison
Other titles - Elector of Swabia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...65&postcount=5

Count - Harold von Dassel -
location - Dijon - garrison
Other titles - Elector of Swabia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...0&postcount=22

House of Austria

Duke - Leopold(k) - Ituralde
location - Aegean sea - 2nd Crusade Army
Other titles - Elector of Austria, Ex-Chancellor
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...69&postcount=7

Count - Arnold - AussieGiant
location - Ragusa - garrison
Other titles - Count of Budapest, Elector of Austria, Steward of Austria
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...5&postcount=25

Count - Karl Zirn(k?) - Northnovas (knighted?)
location - Aegean sea - 2nd Crusade Army
Other titles - Count of Zagreb, Elector of Austria
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...5&postcount=20

Count - Erhart von Mahren - gibsonsg91921
location - Ragusa - garrison
Other titles - Count of Prague, Elector of Austria
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=24

Count - Sigismund von Mahren - CecilXIX
location - Ragusa - garrison
Other titles - Elector of Austria
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...1&postcount=27

ArchdukeEvan - Fourth Elector of Austria

House of Franconia

Duke - Gunther von Kastilien(k) - Dutch_guy
location - sieging Thorn - FHA
Other titles - Elector of Franconia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...1&postcount=13

Count - Fredericus von Hamburg(k) - FLYdude
location - Aegean sea - 2nd Crusade Army
Other titles - Count of Hamburg, Elector of Franconia, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...6&postcount=12

Count - Jonas von Mahren(k) - Kagemusha
location - Near Ragusa - AHA (temp comander)
Other titles - Count of Magdeburg , Elector of Franconia, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=14

Count - Ansehelm von Kastilien(k) - Stig
location - Near Breslau - garrison ?
Other titles - Count of Thorn, Elector of Franconia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...0&postcount=19

Count - Helmut von Hamburg -
location - Aegean sea - 2nd Crusade Army
Other titles - Elector of Franconia, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...75&postcount=8

Count - Jan von Hamburg -
location - Ragusa - garrison
Other titles - Elector of Franconia, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=21

Count - Fritz von Kastilien -
location - Florence - garrison
Other titles - Elector of Franconia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...1&postcount=23

Count - Peter von Kastilien -
location - northeast of Venice - BHA
Other titles - Elector of Franconia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...8&postcount=26

House of Bavaria

Duke - Otto von Kassel(k) - OverKnight
location - Adana - garrison
Other titles - Elector of Bavaria, Crusader, King of Outremer
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=10

Count - Gerhard Steffen(k) - Stuperman
location - Rome - garrison
Other titles - Count of Genoa, Elector of Bavaria, Steward
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...6&postcount=11

Count - Conrad Salier(k) - GeneralHankerchief
location - Aegean sea - 2nd Crusade Army?
Other titles - Count of Milan, Elector of Bavaria
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...1&postcount=16

Count - Lothar Steffen(k) - TinCow
location - northeast Venice - BHA
Other titles - Elector of Bavaria
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...80&postcount=9

[OverKnight]

The following is a list of the avatars and their location and status. Are those few unassigned avatars knighted yet? Also can everyone check if their locations are correct if it is not too much trouble. I do not have the game, so this is the only way I can keep track of pple. Thanks

Imperial House

Kaiser - Henry(k) - Econ
location - Outremer - Imperial army (IA)
Other titles - Ex-Chancellor, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...66&postcount=6
South of Damascus, Imperial Army

Count - Ulrich Hümmel(k) - Ignoramus
location - Outremer (?) - army?
Other titles - Count of Metz, Elector of Swabia, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...0&postcount=17
Adana

Count - Elberhard(k) - Pharnakes? (knighted?)
location - Outremer, East of Aleppo - army?
Other titles - Elector of Swabia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...65&postcount=5
Knighted by Hans, in Aleppo

Count - Fritz von Kastilien -
location - near Venice - BHA?
Other titles - Elector of Franconia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...1&postcount=23
Garrison Florence

Count - Peter von Kastilien -
location - ? - ?
Other titles - Elector of Franconia
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...8&postcount=26
BHA Northeast of Venice

Duke - Otto von Kassel(k) - OverKnight
location - Outremer? - Army of Outremer?
Other titles - Elector of Bavaria, Crusader
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=10
King of Outremer, Acre

Count - Lothar Steffen(k) - TinCow
location - near Venice? - BHA
Other titles - Elector of Bavaria
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...80&postcount=9
Northeast of Venice, leading(?) BHA

[StoneCold]

Thanks alot OK.

[FactionHeir]

Also, there is only 1 crusade army with a lot of generals StoneCold.
Harald von Dassel is garrisoning Dijon and Jan von Hamburg is in Ragusa (unless I'm mixing the brothers up)
Peter von Kastilien and Lothar Steffen are travelling with the BHA (not commanding) and neither is knighted.
Jobst is north of Staufen with a medium-large force, that will grow to a full stack once he reaches the Danes.

[StoneCold]

I meant it as the 2nd Crusade. So one of the brothers von Hamburg stayed behind? I assumed both would have followed since they are so far south. :P

So what is the story behind Harald and Elberhard? You fought their battles? Elberhard is now a free avatar? I thought according to the rules they would have to be auto-resolved? And is Harald knighted?

[FactionHeir]

Elberhard is knighted, Harald (or was it Harold?) is not. Since the player for the former is inactive and there is no player for the latter, I did autoresolve both battles (otherwise that Egyptian noble would not have escaped ;) )

[StoneCold]

OIC.

My opinion regarding the commanding of the BHA is that the constitution is there to make the game harder for us. So I am a bit reluctant to see the BHA being lead by Lothar, a human controlled battle. I have no problem with auto-resolving that battle... :P if Lothar looses that battle, he will be more humble... :P assuming he doesn't die.

So what is the knighting process for a auto-resolve win? I assume the chancellor knight the commander as the army has no one of noble rank.

[FactionHeir]

I don't think there is a procedure for an autoresolve win, otherwise I would have needed to knight the unassigned von Dassel after the chased down the rebels.

To be honest though, I find it odd that we are knighting people after their first battle, regardless how small it is. Would be more fun to have 2 small battles or 1 large battle as a requirement. But of course we do lack knights in Europe currently, but considering Jonas will knight some 7 nobles in 1 battle...

[Warluster]

When I jobst was in Dijon, and someone needed knighting, I wouldn't just knight them. I used to send the requirements and what you have to achieve to be knighted.

[gibsonsg91921]

whose avatar is elberhard?

[OverKnight]

I agree that knighting should be merit based, I.E. rolling a few peasant bandits, unless the odds are against you, shouldn't be grounds for promotion. Still if there is a large or difficult battle and the bodyguard units for the avatars rack up some kills, they should be knighted.

If there's no senior commander present, knighting should be at the discretion of the Chancellor.

[gibsonsg91921]

hey stonecold ehrhart von mahren is the count of prague because archdukeevan is inactive

[StoneCold]

gibsonsg, ok updated on ehrhart. Elberhard was supposed to be Pharnakes, but I dun think he posted since he was assigned the avatar.

[TinCow]

If necessary, I might send Lothar in for an autoresolve (either as attacker or standing next to Zagreb for defense) if Jonas cannot make it up quickly enough.

My opinion regarding the commanding of the BHA is that the constitution is there to make the game harder for us. So I am a bit reluctant to see the BHA being lead by Lothar, a human controlled battle. I have no problem with auto-resolving that battle... :P if Lothar looses that battle, he will be more humble... :P assuming he doesn't die.

Ahem, I am a bit perturbed at this apparent joy of sending me into a battle for an autoresolve. Perhaps I should just have Lothar leave the army in fury at being denied command under the circumstances. I am not pleased with the idea of entrusting his fate to the computer.

[econ21]

Factionheir - please try to keep an eye on the historical army composition. I know it's hard to keep track of - I slipped up occasionally. But Prince Jobst's army has 6/10 knights when it should be 4/10 max and the BHA is one knight over too.

On the knights not commanding armies, I think it has got to be autoresolved - otherwise the whole business of knighting is meaningless. I agree knighting should only happen if the avatars do something valorous.

After an autoresolve, I guess the Chancellor should have discretion to knight surviving generals - but again, it should not be automatic (it should look like they actually fought - e.g. gained valour, a trait, lost a lot of men etc).

[StoneCold]

TC, nothing personal... but rules are rules... but I agree that it is a waste if she a good avatar dies in his first battle.

[gibsonsg91921]

i think it would be ok if lothar wasnt leading the BHA, but a squire leading the official forces of bavaria doesnt seem right.

[econ21]

Ahem, I am a bit perturbed at this apparent joy of sending me into a battle for an autoresolve. Perhaps I should just have Lothar leave the army in fury at being denied command under the circumstances. I am not pleased with the idea of entrusting his fate to the computer.

Well, you have that right - the Chancellor certainly should not send avatars into danger against the owning player's will.

But it is a tough choice both in and out of character. The autoresolve risks death, but is a fast route to promotion.

[gibsonsg91921]

if the odds are considerably in TC's favor i say autoresolve that biatch
otherwise, hold off.