King of the Romans OOC thread VII

[FactionHeir]

OOCly, I think edict 10.1 is semi-alright. Sacking and leaving them isn't too bad as they can retake them, but we ought to not destroy military buildings there and probably cut down the targets to 2 or 3.
Having only one large army makes it very difficult to besiege/assault more than 2-3 settlements in addition to movement unless you have several trained spies nearby. The nearest place where we can train spies is way west in Europe as there are no brothels around.

[Stig]

OOCly, I think edict 10.1 is semi-alright. Sacking and leaving them isn't too bad as they can retake them, but we ought to not destroy military buildings there and probably cut down the targets to 2 or 3.
Having only one large army makes it very difficult to besiege/assault more than 2-3 settlements in addition to movement unless you have several trained spies nearby. The nearest place where we can train spies is way west in Europe as there are no brothels around.

True, and btw I only put in Vilnius (the Polish province) since it was more or less on the route. I don't mind if it's sacked or not.
Helsinki for the same reason. A spy (or priest) to check out the size of Helsinki would be nice. The main target is Novgorod

And I want to destroy military buildings because that will make sure they won't come back for like 50 years.

[AussieGiant]

I really think it's time for some proper non-expansionist ruling.

We are really just hammering the AI now.

Personally Arnold has done absolutely bugger all since becoming Duke so I'm going to have to come up with something to liven things up.

When it comes to running for Chancellor it might be an idea for guy's to think about things like a modern day ruler.

Countries don't expand their borders now days so there are plenty of other themes to run on.

OK has given an example in his comments towards FH.

Just something to think about.

As for Arnold, then by god is he going to kill some Hungarians.

Ituralde you're still me defacto General while I'm away for fighting battles so your about to begin the martial career of your son!! :)

[Ituralde]

I'll do my very best, AG!

[FactionHeir]

Before anyone else says it:

Welcome back Ituralde!

[OverKnight]

Welcome back Ituralde, the Diet isn't the same without Leopold's firebreathing.

GH is Conrad getting the shakes? That must be some kind bud if he's going into withdrawal over cannabis. Unless, of course, Hash has served as a gateway drug to Opium.

Edit: Three way race! Sweet. A first!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Indeed, welcome back, Ituralde.

GH is Conrad getting the shakes? That must be some kind bud if he's going into withdrawal over cannabis. Unless, of course, Hash has served as a gateway drug to Opium.

I expect you'll find out very shortly.

-edit- Nice, we have three candidates, maybe even four! Let Diet Smackdown begin!

[econ21]

I really think it's time for some proper non-expansionist ruling.

I fear we may be closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted, but I have proposed Charter Amendment 10.2 to try to restrain our expansion.

Like the religious buildings edict, it's a largely OOC proposal.

[Stig]

*goes of the second CA 10.2*

[AussieGiant]

Good to see you back Ituralde!!

[AussieGiant]

Does anyone know what the schedule is for the next patch?

And GH, niiice one there maaate :)

This should get the juices flowing.

[econ21]

Does anyone know what the schedule is for the next patch?

I suspect there will be one with the expansion, which I think is out in the Fall sometime. I'm not sure what it will cover - I've avoided the 1.2 bug thread, as the 1.1 one made me ill.

[AussieGiant]

I suspect there will be one with the expansion, which I think is out in the Fall sometime. I'm not sure what it will cover - I've avoided the 1.2 bug thread, as the 1.1 one made me ill.

Thanks for that.

Too true econ. I've all but given up on the Citidel because the PBM is taking up all my time.

I still read of course but those patch threads are really something else.

By the way your screen shots always look great. What settings are you on and what is your PC spec. I don't mean specifics just general stuff.

[econ21]

What settings are you on and what is your PC spec.

I confess upgraded my graphics card just for this game. I got a Geforce 7800 GS 512MB - the best AGP card available (at least when I bought it). The computer is unexceptional: P4 3.4GHz, 1 GB RAM.

The settings are shader 2, 1024x768, everything high, no anti-aliasing and ansiotropic x 2.

When I had an older video card, I found shader 1 was best and with no shadows.

One day I'll probably blow up my computer playing M2TW (as I did an older one playing RTW), as the graphics card is supposed to need far more power than my power unit delivers. But I tried upgrading the power unit and the new one did blow up, so I'll just wait for that day.

[AussieGiant]

I confess upgraded my graphics card just for this game. I got a Geforce 7800 GS 512MB - the best AGP card available (at least when I bought it). The computer is unexceptional: P4 3.4GHz, 1 GB RAM.

The settings are shader 2, 1024x768, everything high, no anti-aliasing and ansiotropic x 2.

When I had an older video card, I found shader 1 was best and with no shadows.

One day I'll probably blow up my computer playing M2TW (as I did an older one playing RTW), as the graphics card is supposed to need far more power than my power unit delivers. But I tried upgrading the power unit and the new one did blow up, so I'll just wait for that day.

Ahh the old "blow up" upgrade solution...

That certainly is one way to go about things LOL.

Thanks for the information econ. I wish I could be home more to play. It's really hampering what I would like to do with this PBM.

Ahh well.

[TinCow]

I fear we may be closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted, but I have proposed Charter Amendment 10.2 to try to restrain our expansion.

Like the religious buildings edict, it's a largely OOC proposal.

The religious buildings edict is too connected with RP for me to vote on it exclusively on an OOC basis. The very aspect of making it religious oriented means that it has RP consequences. CA 10.2 is a good OOC expansion limitation attempt and I think all serious debate on it should be conducted here. There's no way it could pass a proper RP Diet vote, so let's not even bother. Let's discuss it here and vote on it entirely OOC.

I agree that the horse has already bolted and the serious challenges are done with, but I feel that KOTR has got 2 to 3 more solid Chancellorships before it really comes to any conclusion. France is still fielding a lot of men and two factions have dramatically increased their territories lately: England and Spain. If we ever come into conflict with them, we will have a few more interesting (even if not challenging) periods.

Regardless, I think we should simply be aiming to play out the game naturally. When it 'feels' like it's over, then it's over, no big deal. I feel like we've learned as much from KOTR as we did from WOTS and whatever we come up with after this one will be another leap forward. Remember, when KOTR is over, it just means it's time to start another game!

[FactionHeir]

Part of the reason our enemy fields larger armies is because they got more florins than normal, after some private discussion with our gamemaster econ.
Between 10k-30k depending on whether we are at war with them and how much they had when I checked.

[gibsonsg91921]

hey FH i didnt think u abused power, i was referring to matthias's allegations

[TinCow]

From the Diet:

As for CA 10.2, I believe I can second that. It would not afterall interfere with any of the other edicts proposed, as those settlements taken can be given to our allies or the pope, to create a buffer zone.

I really think we need to stop giving the Pope territories. That doesn't help anyone, including ourselves. A Papal 'buffer zone' will futher decrease the pressure on our borders. Durazzo already bugs me every time I load up the game. It makes no RP sense (for the Pope or us) and reduces the challenge.

[OverKnight]

It's too bad we can't go back and modify the King's Purse. I've been playing an HRE campaign VH/VH and doubled everyone's but mine, and it's been a satisfying game. I'm in this huge never ending war on my Eastern frontier with the Poles and Russians, the hordes keep coming off the steppe.

[FactionHeir]

It could make RP sense, as a way of repenting for the bloodshed involved in taking a settlement and to atone for the sin of attacking a fellow Christian nation, by giving it to the pope for extended governing and making sure that there will be no further bloodshed there.
I can see what you mean though, as it does in a way decrease the amount of units the enemies will field in that direction. OTOH is makes expansion tougher for us too and has some serious consequences if we ever get excommed again, as the pope might well attack us.
Probably an OOC CA would be good to determine by an OOC vote whether a given settlement may be given to the pope or not.

[FactionHeir]

It's too bad we can't go back and modify the King's Purse. I've been playing an HRE campaign VH/VH and doubled everyone's but mine, and it's been a satisfying game. I'm in this huge never ending war on my Eastern frontier with the Poles and Russians, the hordes keep coming off the steppe.

Yeah, would save the time involved in typing all those console commands and making sure you don't forget.
I've been playing my SP campaigns with the AI having 7-10k purse, which for the most part has been a fine experience, although they still run out of florins regularly.
Reducing build time for all buildings by 1 (for some silly buildings by more, i.e. academy or printing press, or theater) also helps the AI field late period armies faster and makes the game less of a drag.

[gibsonsg91921]

haha no one has ever seconded any edicts or charter amendments i propose. whats so bad about midterm sessions? i thought it was a good idea

[AussieGiant]

From the Diet:



I really think we need to stop giving the Pope territories. That doesn't help anyone, including ourselves. A Papal 'buffer zone' will futher decrease the pressure on our borders. Durazzo already bugs me every time I load up the game. It makes no RP sense (for the Pope or us) and reduces the challenge.

I agree.

It was only offered by me because I thought there was way too much territorial acquisition going on. I was actually surprised at the number of territories being taken and did not think the AHA had permission to acquire it.

Maybe its another excommunication issue what to happen

[gibsonsg91921]

maybe if we got venice excommunicated somehow it could be more fun...

[OverKnight]

haha no one has ever seconded any edicts or charter amendments i propose. whats so bad about midterm sessions? i thought it was a good idea

Well, we have the option of an emergency session, and the people who can call it have been expanded.

Also, I like to keep up the pace of play, and I don't like the idea of doubling the amount of four day Diet session and voting blocs.

Keep trying you'll pass something.

How bout:

Edict 10.4: Kittens are cute.

[FactionHeir]

Paint the map black and white with a few gold linings?

Overall, during my term we took 3 settlements after subtractions.
In addition to those 2 we kepts (Paris, Sofia, Edessa) we retook Thorn and Zagreb and took Durazzo but gave it to the papacy.

[gibsonsg91921]

if edict 10.1 passes, i want some gothic knights in that teutonic crusade :drool:

[flyd]

Edict 10.4: Kittens are cute.

I cannot support this edict. Kittens are annoying, they scratch and bite. Later, they turn into cats. I can only support this edict if it is amended such that the kittens are replaced with puppies, who are indeed very cute.

[gibsonsg91921]

tag on a rider including bunnies